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3:17 AM

> no entries before midnight 2019-02-01

you posted that at 2019-02-01T01:54 😀

4:58 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in username, username similar to website in answer (55): Does laser phototherapy treat male pattern hair-loss? by homeocares on skeptics.SE

6:13 AM

cv-pls one-more-close-vote-needed meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323300/…

6:33 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer, blacklisted user (122): Where do these coins gain their value? by Crypto Runner on bitcoin.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, toxic answer detected (160): Hybridisation of Mn in potassium permanganate by punsuk on chemistry.SE

6:54 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (69): Setting the ribbon to default Browse instead of Edit by Angga Mandala on sharepoint.SE

7:15 AM

Morning

Ish

SD K

7:38 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body, potentially bad asn for hostname in body (100): How Can I Get Best Deals For Emirates Airlines Reservations by nickolas smith on travel.SE

Magisch

I wonder why something like this acquires -20 without being deleted.

!!/watch airlinesreservation\.org

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog That pattern looks like it's already caught by Blacklisted website in body and Blacklisted website in answer; append -force if you really want to do that.

7:55 AM

@Magisch Why or how?

Probably only two 10kers have stumbled upon it up to now

And except Barshaglorene 10k forget to exercise their votes probably

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 20kers. There's a 48-hour waiting period for 10k users.

Well that settles it then

Should wait for a certain canine

8:09 AM

I morning

Magisch

I really like my new avatar :D

If it isn't pure white I'd probably like it too

Or pink

Black-Pink

9:00 AM

I probably suddenly have amnesia, but the "delete" link on comment... was it an icon before? Not a "Delete" textual link?

Mithrandir

It changed

Q: Delete button showing up as the word "delete" rather than the normal X

Ah, yeah, just noticed the relevant meta post

6

Just now, when I went to delete one of my comments, I noticed the normal "X" to delete it was replaced by the actual word "delete": Is this a bug? If not, why was it changed?

bug status-bydesign comments deleted-comments deletion

9:20 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title (98): An unexpected error occurred. Please include this ErrorId if you contact support: 1516937808-50465 (630585503) by ladyDon303 on salesforce.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (69): How can I improve my Story writing? [Hindi] by DouglasFulk on writing.SE

9:38 AM

@Magisch cause apparently not enough people with delete votes saw it ;p

Shadow Wizard

10:13 AM

@andmyself .NET Core, it's always .NET Core

@ShadowWizard lol

10:44 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, link at end of body, potentially bad ns for domain in body, potentially bad ns for domain in title, +2 more (292): Keto Viante : zipwellnessoffer.com/keto-viante/ by debreldsan on askubuntu.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (86): How do I install Epson ET-2550 driver where lsb <=3.2 is required? ✏️ by Thomas G on askubuntu.com

I just love when a "real" Magic card text is more insane that the average Unhinged card....

and then they had to add an errata to specify that you can't make the other player concede the game

11:00 AM

tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ObviousRulePatch

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (53): Lorentz contraction (or not) of an accelerated electron bunch ✏️ by length expansion on physics.SE

11:45 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +6 more (594): KetoViante South Africa is an enhancement that elevates www.order4trial.com/keto-viante-south-africa/ by raswerdfrty on graphicdesign.SE

12:02 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body (99): Conditional popups by devaraj arasu t s on wordpress.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected (79): geth does not sync out of the box by No Ethereum on ethereum.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Url in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +4 more (787): amazonhealthstore.com/ketoviante-south-africa/ by Albertozrow on graphicdesign.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): cannot use npm to install redis and moment by SuckLips on askubuntu.com

12:53 PM

@SmokeDetector N

@SmokeDetector K

I find it weird that someone would call themselves "length expansion"

@SmokeDetector F

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (86): HBQ-i7 Bluetooth Chip Identification by Dan on electronics.SE

1:08 PM

... usually you can find at least 2-3 users profiles that are best deleted on Meta daily...

and that's only counting blatant "don't even have to check" cases.

"best" deleted?

The alternative would be taxidermy?

I want a spammer for my top shelf

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you could go with [insert staff member here, can't remember who] 's theory: no need for delete since if they don't post no one will see their profiles.

Google search results will still get poisoned by them... but why worry? -_-'

That's like not cleaning a certain room in the house because you rarely go there

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yep, and then get confused when other peoples will point out the pack of rats that constantly runs in and out of said room

Rob

1:33 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ The funny thing is, the expansion of space does in fact make him longer; all over. His post has nothing to do with localized expansion.

2:06 PM

TGIF is GIFT!

Well, the mods questionnaire collection on Android.SE is unsurprisingly nothing interesting...

2:20 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body (97): Does hiring a ghostwriter credible or not? by Jimmie Brunell on writing.SE

2:55 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer (60): How should I write a regex to to find an expression that might include numbers? by Magalhães Lage on superuser.com

Feeds

3:13 PM

How about posts that are public, but every time a company accesses a bunch of them, the API makes their CEO's account click 'like' on one of them at random so you get a notification.

Rob

3:55 PM

Always start the day with a healthy breakfast. Icecream, chocolate syrup, granola bar and yogurt:

4:29 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (87): How to access Samsung Galaxy S2 storage while phone is off by Micheal .O.Corner on android.SE

Asuna

sd why

[:7528228] Bad keyword in answer - Position 385-398: Credit repair
Potentially bad keyword in answer - +380683017209 found verbatim
Potentially bad keyword in answer - Position 187-210: hacker to trust contact

Asuna

!!/test Arturquickhack

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

Asuna

!!/watch Arturquickhack

4:44 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (69): Should I hire a ghostwriter? ✏️ by Jimmie Brunell on writing.SE

user302202

@Feeds Speaking of social media, a noted expert on the subject was recently quoted on Twitter a few times.

user302202

A balance between free speech and limits is necessary for the internet and social media, but policies need transparency, consistency and accountability, says @StackOverflow CEO @spolsky "Without these things, people stop being engaged in a social network." #SSTS19

Tweeted by methodcom on January 31, 2019 at 7:53 PM

Lol

5:17 PM

SO... is now a social network???

Yes, I like you, please like me back

Andy

I like you

I like u 2

Andy

YAY! My social worth has increased.

👍

5:21 PM

I assume I can now update my timeline somewhere?

I thought you have your own... ~~Developer~~ Personal Story!

Tavern on the SnapChat

@andmyself yes, personal.

6:12 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body, potentially bad keyword in body (65): I RECEIVED A MAIL FROM A HACKER by SOFIA on apple.SE

@rene Can I finally post an FR asking for emojis?

> HYE

> You have a total of 5 hours after opening this message, or 15 minutes after closing it.

Why did the hacker ask the OP to create an account from the phone??? Anyway, if the hacker could see that the OP closed the email, then the hacker could also see the OP asking the question on there -_-;

6:27 PM

Maybe it's all an elaborate attempt to get someone to post an OT question on SE and get downvoted

Ah, make sense...

And then post on Twitter

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer (86): How can I block all of a page's content on Facebook? by Rayhan Alam on webapps.SE

6:53 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, potentially bad keyword in body (99): WATCH!!! Full Movie Black Mirror: Bandersnatch 2018 Online by jessy64 on wordpress.SE

7:04 PM

What can mods do with someone's username? 1) Reset to user####, 2) roll back to previous username, 3) rename it arbitrarily

the latter

mods can edit profiles

So... hypothetically, a mod can rename their own username bypassing 30-days restriction?

(just thinking a weird, crazy, and potentially abusive idea of a mod promoting their own site's election on their own username, then change back to previous username after the election is over...)

@Bookends yes

Good to know, though I certainly won't suggest this to anyone...

7:25 PM

@Bookends I don't think it's hypothetical

7:40 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer (53): Lower back pain when performing lying leg raise by Suspension Rev on fitness.SE

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ 😠

del-pls 20k+ support Not about Stack Exchange Network software / cc @bar @sha @tra @glo Why do I keep getting an error message stating: 'not a GROUP BY expression' when trying to execute my query‭ - GeeC1016‭ 2019-02-01 19:41:34Z

user302202

7:56 PM

How often do you see "Sharepoint" and "the grace of Allah" in the same sentence...

user302202

no onebox twitter.com/MelQassas/status/1091385770022191107

user302202

@Bookends A number of mods do that around Halloween and such.

You can actually bypass the restriction even as a nobody

user302202

<- would never dare such a thing

user302202

Considering the 2 candidates in the current CS election, I found that the most reasonable way to vote is to mark one of them as my 3rd choice.

8:03 PM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer (160): What government office can help me recover documents lost by the IRS? by matthew on money.SE

@Mrs.Robinson the lesser of two evils?

user302202

Android's question collection is so pointless. The only question that should be asked on that site (also, on Data Science) is "do you want to be a mod"? If a candidate answers "yes" they get a diamond.

@Mrs.Robinson are you going to the candidate's debate?

user302202

Depends. If they are good-looking and ~ half my age, why not...

hums Simon and Garfunkel...

8:14 PM

In restless dreams I walked alone... Narrow streets of cobblestone...

'neath the halo of a street lamp...

Laugh about it, shout about it, when you've got to choose...

Stop putting lammposts into my games!

either way you look at it you lose!

Where have you gone, Joe DiMaggio?

8:20 PM

ninja'd

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user (69): How to prevent Emacs from creating two windows on startup Windows 10? by A_P on emacs.SE

I saw Garfunkel in concert in San Antonio ~15 years ago or so and he performed Mrs. Robinson but changed Joe DiMaggio to David Robinson.... a bit of local pandering that is somewhat confusing, considering the song.

user302202

Where have you gone, David Robinson? is quite apropos for SO.

9:12 PM

I have seen people complaining about downvotes (and probably did this myself already), but this is a new level: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323324/…

sorry

:shrug:

i made it worse

... Ah, what I wouldn't give for a comment lock.

Oh,... wait...

just a full lock will do ...

9:16 PM

@KevinB unfortunately yes. I know that your one comment was intended to be funny (“waiting for more”) but I had to flag it as rude/unkind. As you must agree that it will be perceived as this.

yup

fbueckert

What did I miss?

Nothing.

You were armpit deep in it without seeing it in here. :)

How was someone able to upvote/retract their downvote while the post was locked?

I saw the vote counter go up from -10 to -9 while it was locked.

the "locked" messaging never showed up for me

fbueckert

9:18 PM

You try to help, and all you get is users thinking it's an attack.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog race condition probably ...

tbf, i doubt most of the users who cast downvotes were trying to help

Just wondering how long this lock will last...

@rene It was already locked for 20 seconds before the vote changed; a vote change would trigger an error message if a user hadn't reloaded the page though.

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... long enough to get bored

9:19 PM

@KevinB I downvoted and tried to help (answering)

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... It's just a one-hour lock.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog you should really stop hacking the system

Thanks @Catija for the information.

@rene It wasn't me

sure

9:20 PM

@Catija her profile states "nerd and takes down-votes without explaining as rude and unhelpful"

Honest...an SE employee can check the logs to confirm that I didn't do any voting on the post when it was unlocked.

So basically this was inevitable

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Unless you changed the logs too

@SterlingArcher not sure. Last time I checked it wasn’t there (I suppose)

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I don't have dev access

9:21 PM

Dang, sounds like SOME fun I missed

fbueckert

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... Been on the network profile for quite some time.

@SterlingArcher At lower rep levels when just a few points make the difference between having and not having a privilege, people tend to take downvotes as "why u take my rep away with no explanation?"

There are some people that refuse to acknowledge conventions when they don't attribute to their personal agenda. Those people get downvoted

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog then either remove the voting system and make them feel welcome

That's what all this is about right ;)

@fbueckert okay I revoke my previous message

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I'm not sure it's necessarily because of the low rep though

9:25 PM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I know this. I had been at this level not so long ago. @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ It probably is. I still don’t like downvoted but they feel less bad now.

There are multiple sources stating downvotes aren't attacks. If you're a person who can't handle negative reactions ... well these problems will follow you

At some point lines need to be drawn in social interactions

@MEEisJohannGambolputty... I mean, THAT particular feeling kept lingering on after the thousandth rep, but I just realized it's less actionable than I thought it is

I don't think they're rationally evaluating what percentage of the rep was gone. Just that it was.

i view received downvotes as a badge of honor

Nor were they ever calculating a trajectory towards the rep some priv would require

@KevinB I view them as Penicillin.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ yes that is what I mean. I suppose I complained about downvoted also a few times and I am a user who reads almost all rules for curiosity.

That’s why I have more rep on MSE than on any other SE site. ;)

9:28 PM

Especially cheaply made syringes that put a whole new meaning to "the pen . . . icillin is sharper than the sword"

@KevinB I think it's the time of the year when folks are generally around for this type of thing so there's a compounding effect and a post that would've ended up with -3 ends up with -12

But I don't think the downvotes in themselves were out of the ordinary

People generally downvote site rec questions that would be OT anywhere

I don't get it, and I've never/rarely ever voted that way, but eh, happens.

A: Why does Meta Stack Exchange have reputation?

10

The idea of negative reputation is certainly not intended to be a barrier to any earnest attempt to participate, even if that attempt is to propose an idea that's very likely to be unpopular. I wouldn't call it an oversight either, because we're aware of the problems users encounter when learning...

> seeing something you put some time into writing up and explaining get decorated with dozens of down-votes is far from encouraging

I might be part of a minority in this regard, but I don't think we need to encourage or discourage posting on meta.

Voting behavior on meta and inclusivity

Jan 18 '18 at 23:44, 56 minutes total – 105 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Jan 19 '18 at 0:41 by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

Either you should feel so strongly about it to post no matter what, or it wasn't all that important anyway and you just didn't waste people's time.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Remember this thread?

9:40 PM

Vaguely

Yeah, sure, the rep system here is something I can't ever get to relate to anything

It's there probably just because it's there

People feeling excluded need to change their mindset on a whole different set of topic to begin with, though

😐 that would just give people two ways of showing their dislike for a post.

(the proposal for two different kinds of votes)

For starters, they shouldn't take downvotes as an act of silencing or ignoring them

@KevinB Well, I was new at the time

It's the opposite, lots of votes is lots of attention.

Hmph, now you have a few meta battle scars here and there

Imo, downvotes should be introduced at the same time as upvotes (10), and explained well at that point in time, rather than not explaining what downvotes are for till much later (125).

9:44 PM

You've tasted the blood of a "downvote require comment" feature request

@KevinB I was thinking about tour actually

Anything with fewer animating illustrations will probably be ignored

Privileges though are presented as abilities you've earned through your use of the site, i think that has more of an impact.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Well, considering that getting four on a main site or eight on meta hides their post from view on the home page... it kinda does.

@Catija -24 on a five-hour post here usually tells me almost everyone that was gonna form an opinion on the question before it drowned in Javascript questions has

... Sure... but what was actually wrong with that question about fixing gaming consoles?

Metas are different in that they have much higher users/questions ratios and I'm not entirely convinced that vanishing thing prevents too many views

18 mins ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

People generally downvote site rec questions that would be OT anywhere

18 mins ago, by M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I don't get it, and I've never/rarely ever voted that way, but eh, happens.

9:50 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ That really doesn't make any sense. Sorry. That's penalizing someone for not knowing what the scope of the network is.

That's why I said I don't get it

I'm fairly certain there are other examples

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323177/… . HUGE ONEBOX

This isn't SOCVR

and I'm not here

Cool. Thanks for that information.

A downvote here really means people disagree with your idea or think it is not useful. But because of what the system does, the ending effect is "this idea is so bad, whoever proposed it should lose rep". And new users treat it that way.

Inserts repulsive high paced cat jiff

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/322018/… .

-11, that's itchy

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9:55 PM

Also, questions asked about really pedantic details for curiosity's sake also tend to get downvoted.

That falls in the triviality pool

I guess the ultimate conclusion is votes here are more often like likes and dislikes

So if someone wants to know for curiosity's sake whether the 50 question per month limit uses UTC days or rolling 720 hours, where can they ask?

Objective reasonable disagreement can easily be replaced with an emotional me no likey

Sure, they could test it out. But in this case, you're going to have to have a lot of questions, and be completely focused on it for 30 days.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog If I had a question so detail-oriented, I would ask here first, and if I didn't get an answer after the Shadow Wizard Dupe Machine 9000 or the Rene model were done searching, then I'd ask on main

And there's always ways to make something trivial not to look so trivial to ask about

Words words words

10:00 PM

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I tried that out, but got an evasive answer. I asked for clarification, but got no response.

"day" could mean either 24-hour period or UTC calendar day.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ That's true, but I shouldn't have to. The question is about SE and is on-topic.

Well, true that.

But life isn't all about fairness yada yada yada

Also I don't think there's a non-trivial thing where it matters, unlike a few other questions where I was able to do that.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ where is life about then?

@rene Chatting on the Tavern at one frigging thirty instead of sleeping, my friend

It is just 23:00 here ...

10:05 PM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Like all human communities, I guess there would be some concept of appeal anyway

If you want to get people to talk, those people need to feel like talking in the first place

@rene You have to chat for two hours and half then. Or you're not alive

I never get timezones. I thought you were three and half away

I died years ago. This is my after party

Or maybe that's DST

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ No, DST is in the summertime

No I mean it's because of DST that he's not so far behind

Right now, it's only 16:07 here

10:07 PM

I'm in CET

I'm on a sofa

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Could also be a solar day or a lunar day or that other definition of lunar day or...

If you're gonna be pedantic, you might as well be precise

@Shog9 Which buttresses my point.

Not really

You didn't make a point, you asked an unclear question and then pouted when you didn't get a clear answer

@Shog9 I later provided clarification but got no response

10:09 PM

I suspect your suspicion was that the sliding window might count the number of times one has passed UTC 0:00

but you didn't actually ask that

@Shog9 Isn't "UTC calendar day" very clear?

no, it is not

in the context of your question, it is meaningless

@Shog9 Can you explain the ambiguity, then?

All normal SE time calculations take place in UTC

@rene Are you implying Dracula is Dutch?

10:11 PM

@Shog9 So the answer to my clarification question is "no"?

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ well, I can't rule that out.

I thought if you put Netherlands on a yo-yo and swing it, only then you'd hit Romania

The entire Europe is tiny anyway

So when we talk about time periods, it's easier to discuss them them as either sliding windows (adding 7 days to right now puts us at UTC 22:11 on February 8th)

How do you guys fit? It's like an inch wide.

2

Or relative to a fixed period (today, ending at UTC 0:00 February 2nd)

Or a fixed number of days relative to a fixed time and date (7 days after UTC 0:00 February 1st)

Time periods defined in all of these fashions appear in one place or another throughout the system

10:16 PM

@Shog9 So, which particular one is used for the 50-question-per-30-days limit? A sliding window, or relative to a fixed period beginning at UTC 0:00 30 days earlier?

What's the official answer on Meta say?

@Shog9 There is no official answer. I asked a Meta question but it was heavily downvoted and got no answer.

Q: The Complete Rate-Limiting Guide

...

260

I noticed that I can only perform certain actions such as commenting a finite number of times in a given period of time. Obviously, rate limiting is in place to prevent accidental misuse or intentional abuse of certain features. Where else is rate limiting applied on Stack Exchange sites, and wh...

support faq rate-limiting

Yes it does, and clearly so. This is your 50th question, when sorting by creation date, and it was posted on Feb 25 at 14:52. Take 30 days from that time, meaning you should be able to ask your next question on March 27, 2015 at 14:52. And I'm not a moderator, just have a gold badge in support as clearly indicated in the tooltip of the gold icon. — Shadow Wizard Mar 26 '15 at 13:43

@Shog9 Yes, I know. I added that text there in based on conjecture, not based on evidence.

I'm wondering if I was right or wrong

Q: Does the "50 questions in 30 days" rate limit mean 30 calendar days, or 720 hours?

10:20 PM

7

All I'm wondering, is if the 30 day timer that one has after submitting 50 questions lasts for 30 calender days, or exactly 720 hours from when the question was asked.

support questions rate-limiting

I'm in need of some advice on data collection...

^ The answerer here is very knowledgeable on these things

I am interested in tracking all users' reputation over time on a specific site. I'm able to do this by sequentially visiting each users' profile page and scraping the data present to display the daily reputation.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Huh, never saw that. It didn't show up as a possible duplicate when I initially asked my meta question that got heavily downvoted, neither was it proposed as a dupe at that time.

However, this doesn't give the detail available by time or post. How can I get access to that data? Anyone know?

The graph is an easy approach since the entire user history is available on that page. The time/post pages are broken up into sub-pages, so not easily scrapable.

10:21 PM

My searches didn't find it.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog wait, are you claiming to be Jason C?

@Shog9 No, I'm claiming to be myself.

You just said, "days" is unclear.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog ok, that edit adds nothing

Erm. Morning

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog reality is fuzzy and illogical.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog I said your question was unclear. You're the one hung up on the definition of "30 days"

10:25 PM

17 mins ago, by Shog9

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Could also be a solar day or a lunar day or that other definition of lunar day or...

Yeah, but no one would think that

@JourneymanGeek Did you watch Inception before coming on?

No. I literally just woke up.

Unlike most days I didn't check my email thought

25 mins ago, by Sonic the Introverted Hedgehog

"day" could mean either 24-hour period or UTC calendar day.

@Shog9 But you did. I was only thinking of these

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog You were thinking of only one ridiculous interpretation, but hey - once you're going down that road...

That's my point; there's no need for pedantry here - unless otherwise noted, 1 days is 24 hours is 1440 minutes is 86400 seconds...

10:27 PM

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog did you read @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ's link?

There ARE cases where 1 day means something else - noted in that same rate-limiting guide

Hey it's not my link but I can claim ownership.

@JourneymanGeek Yes, I did. For some reason I didn't find that post when searching it earlier. Also, did you see the context of this discussion?

@Shog9 lucky you didn't mention Japanese traditional days

yes... lucky...

10:28 PM

Which vary in length

On season

The clocks thought... Are amazing

The guys make robots. You would expect them to overcomplicate overly simple concepts.

If you wanted to make a useful clarifying edit there, add a section that spells out the difference between sliding window limits (1 day == 24 hours == etc) and per-day limits (1 day == until 0:00 the next day). Most of the base limits are per-day, while most of the rate-limits are sliding.

10:50 PM

@Bookends yes

Actually did that once so I wouldn't be journeyman duck all April

11:07 PM

@Werner I'd assume the SE API endpoints for users/{ids}/reputation* provides the information you're looking for. However, I haven't used them, so I'm not sure exactly what they provide. The users/{ids}/reputation-history endpoint looks to have what you want. Obviously, you'll need to sort them into whatever organization you are wanting.

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in body (66): Custom keyboard layout not showing in System Preferences in 10.13.6 by PanssariMureke on apple.SE

@Makyen True. I just had a look... you can extract content, but it is limited in a similar fashion to what you see online. Private events aren't available since it's user-specific.

@Werner Then perhaps you want users/{id}/reputation-history/full.

@Makyen My quick test shows that it is not possible. The full reputation is only viewable by /me as it requires authentication.

Here is what I see when I try to view your entire reputation history:

@Werner Oh, you're looking for private data on other people. Well...that's private.

11:23 PM

@Makyen True. I thought it might be accessible through the API. I'm just interested in generating statistics that I can post on our Meta.

@Werner Then why is the public data not sufficient?

@Werner that graph does an AJAX request out to https://meta.stackexchange.com/ajax/users/168244/rep/day/1546905600?sort=time&s‌howFullDates=true when you click on a bar. I imagine that's generalizable with some thought

That appears to be .../rep/day/:timestamp, where :timestamp is the timestamp at 00:00:00 on the day you want history for.

@Makyen There is not time-of-day information. One thing I was interested in is to see what the reputation would look like if there was no rep cap imposed.

You can't get granularity lower than per-day - it's not public anywhere

In order to do that, I was hoping to identify reputation elements that were counted as 0 reputation, reversing them to their original contribution and then aggregating.

@ArtOfCode Thanks. That might be easier that what I'm doing currently.

11:30 PM

It's HTML format not JSON, which doesn't help, but if you put together a JS script that you can run from the console, then you can jQuery it to get DOM access

@Werner So, you're looking for events that could earn reputation, but did not?

@Werner Yes there is, that's what creation_date is.

@Makyen Yeah.

@Makyen True, non-private events. Do you know how one can download the entire history for a user in one go? I can only do that for a "page"...

@Werner In one request? No, you have to make multiple requests, one page at a time. You just keep going until has_more is false, and, of course, delay if you get a backoff.

stackoverflow.com/reputation still exists, but again... that's only for yourself

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/323331/…

I wonder why people aren't close-voting quick enough today. In 25 minutes there were no close votes and only two downvotes.

11:36 PM

@Makyen M'kay, thanks. That's good information...

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Maybe because it's Friday->Saturday near 00:00UTC, which is very close to the lowest traffic time.

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Jon Ericson lost his wallet

Also @Makyen congrats on 20k on SO

@SonictheIntrovertedHedgehog Thanks. I kind-of crept up on it. :-)

11:48 PM

@Makyen Actually, getting a backoff needs to be implemented as a both a delay and retry. You definitely need retry if you choose to have more than one request in flight at a time. My experience is that even if you obey a backoff, some of the requests which are already in flight will receive error responses. In addition, even after the backoff delay new requests (and some of the additional that you've put in flight) will often get another backoff and the rest errors again.

This process can have multiple backoff->delay->restart->backoff cycles. My experience is that 4 or 5 cycles is typical, but then things will run normally for a while, but then that will once again happen.

cc: @Werner ^

@Makyen Awesome!

I'll experiment with that when I have some time available.

Using a web page scraping technique limits me to one user every 2-3 seconds... meaning a script would have to run for days to accumulate content for an entire site.

yup