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Shadow Wizard

00:11

@MarkAmery probably checking for "How do" and "work" combo, which usually hints a bad question. I've edited and changed title.

(SO isn't a tutorial)

Shog9

yep, that's it exactly

Shadow Wizard

Whoa! scared by sudden appearance of Shog

Shog9

FWIW, there are two blacklist entries that trigger on the word "work"

one is particularly concerned with questions about floating point numbers though

The other one is this:

^(?=.{0,40}$)(?=.*\b(question(?!\s+mark)|doubt|problem|working|work|app|error|w‌ebsite|(?<!(visual studio|vs|exit)\s+)code|my)\b).+

yes, "my" is a pretty strong indicator of a question that is not gonna do well

Shadow Wizard

Heh. Wonder how many bad questions that blocked so far. ;)

Rob

So "My code exits in Visual Studio which no doubt causes a problem with my APP working with my website" is doomed, and uneditable.

Shadow Wizard

00:18

It might cause auto question ban ^

Even before posting! lol

Rob

Look what happened to Shog!

Shadow Wizard

What happened to @Shog?

Rob

View avatar.

Shadow Wizard

Can't see any change... ?

Rob

Check your pockets.

Shog9

00:20

@ShadowWizard 18382

Shadow Wizard

Same floating head as always

@Shog9 how... ?! lol

You have log of the failed submissions?

Shog9

@Rob It would not. Read the regex more closely...

Although... That title is kinda shit

Shadow Wizard

Brown title

Shog9

@ShadowWizard yep

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 cool

Well probably 18000 of those just submitted with some other title instead and same bad content

But still...

Rob

00:23

Not that I'd ever ask that, nor am I regex literate.

Shadow Wizard

@Rob joke missed, sorry! (if there was one?) lol

Shog9

Attempted                                Posted
---------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Unknown JSON Syntax Error                my manifest.json file contains an error that I can't find
unknown syntax error in manifest.json    my manifest.json file contains an error that I can't find
How can show an error message in excel?  *gave up*
my macro not show me message error       *gave up*
still not show me the error message      *gave up*

Titles that got blocked in the past 24 hours

Along with what was posted instead, or gave up if nothing was posted

I have to confess, "How can I hack on raspbian jessie?" probably isn't an improvement

Shadow Wizard

lol

But yeah, this appears to work better than expected.

i.e. improve quality of titles.

Shog9

The biggest problem with it is that it's static

Someone less lazy than me should really be analyzing titles on a regular basis

Shadow Wizard

Who feeds the regex?

Rob

00:27

Would a link to "How to ask a good question / write a good title" be a better outcome than 'gave up'?

Shog9

Also, I probably should have... like... saved whatever script I used to analyze titles to generate that

oh well

the first one went 8 years without an update, the second one can wait a little bit too

Shadow Wizard

@Shog something weird. "Why happened out of bound error in for loop? " appears 5 times, it means OP re-posted it 5 times?

Shog9

@ShadowWizard they tried to post it five times

Shadow Wizard

(questions can't have same title)

Shog9

Or rather, they tried 5 other things before landing on that title

so five rejected inputs ended up producing a question with that title

Shadow Wizard

00:29

oh. I see now.

Kind of 1d nesting.

Shog9

@Rob Every time they get blocked, I link to How do I ask a good question?

That link doesn't work here, but it does on SO

Also just because I link to it doesn't mean they read it

although that's probably self-evident

Shadow Wizard

Well, some AI that will suggest a better title would be awesome.

Shog9

I should link to Quora. but... I'm just not a cruel person

Rob

On mobile, when you are scrolled down to the button you hit it and sometimes nothing happens, so you scroll back up and discover that there's a problem that has a red border or message; so you fix that and scroll back down to the button.

Shog9

@Rob uh... mobile-theme mobile, or full-site mobile?

Shadow Wizard

00:32

aka responsive?

Shog9

thought I fixed that in the full theme, but... Wouldn't surprise me terribly if it was all fux'd in the mobile theme

Rob

Full website, desktop view.

Shog9

hmm, let's try

Shadow Wizard

I still find responsive weird, but nice.

Shog9

it's getting better. It's The Way Forward

Shadow Wizard

00:33

No way back, for sure.

Shog9

my phone has better screen resolution than most of the PCs i've used in my life at this point

would be a shame not to use it

Shadow Wizard

Use it for gaming then. :D

Mark Amery

Argh. "How do Ruby printf arguments work?" was a good title for that question; @ShadowWizard's edit renders the title kinda meaningless and would make me expect a crappy debugging question if I saw it in my Google results :/

But I'm not sure how to make the title clear and meaningful again without tripping the filter

Rob

They've changed things the past few weeks bit by bit. Might be no-repro now. Basically you needed to keep your eyes peeled and pedantically scan everywhere if something seemed amis. --- I'm used y it, I read my tiny screen with a magnifying glass.

Shadow Wizard

@MarkAmery blame Shog and his regexes :)

Shog9

00:35

@Rob yeah, that should work now; just tested it on my phone, "my app sucks help" -> fill in body + tags -> Post -> scrolls back to the top & shows error

Mark Amery

Yeah, I am very much not a fan of title filters

Shadow Wizard

But see above, it block lots of really bad titles.

Also, feel free to edit with a better title, I didn't give it too much thought.

Shog9

@Rob Jan 2:

6

A: Please refocus on the Title field if there is an error there when asking

This was apparently triggered by the move to inline "Stacks" validation a few months back. The editor currently supports both inline and old-style pop-up validation messages, but the checks on submission responsible for scrolling (and displaying the message below the button) weren't updated to be...

Mark Amery

Aha! It took a couple of minutes, but I came up with something I liked :) stackoverflow.com/q/14505621/1709587

Shadow Wizard

@MarkAmery nicely done. :)

Rob

00:37

@Shog9 My phone is fairly great over 1 GBPS WiFi LTE4 GPS, essentially an uninterruptable power supply and a decent camera. It's an S9+.

Shog9

yeah, those are nice. Except for the weird-ass Samsung software

Rob

It's 6 months old and has had 6 updates. Plus I get 20+ hours battery life.

Shog9

PH-1 here. Very underrated phone. Big screen, lots of storage, battery lasts a day of regular use easy. Paid $250.

Rob

Essential PH-1: gsmarena.com/_essential_ph_1-8710.php

Yours is certainly more for the $

Journeyman Geek

It got seriously marked down

Rob

00:45

Mine was reduced in price ~$20 :( or :)

@Shog9 Upvoted, that's what was needed.

Shog9

:thumbsup:

Nick Alexeev

01:14

I bet, the question about version tags have been discussed somewhere on meta.SE already.

11

Q: Angular 2 is a long time ago

The angular2 tag is somewhat outdated. I don't think it is a good idea to make a new tag for every version of Angular 2+ but most questions these days are about Angular 6 or 7. (And soon Angular 8). We need a tag that identify a question as an Angular question and not an angularjs question. M...

Mark Amery

@Shog9 "Need a code if exists" is the most entertainingly vague of these. Got a grin out of me.

Oh man, somebody successfully satisfied the filter by rewriting a title that was at least vaguely specific to their problem to "Give the solution for this" :(

FWIW - I studied at the first 102 lines of Shog's title filter data before getting bored. In those, I count (in my obviously subjective judgement):
20 questions posted with improved titles
16 questions posted with worse titles
16 questions posted with titles no better nor worse than before
8 crap-sounding questions abandoned
0 good-sounding questions abandoned

I guess you can count that as the title filter being a net force for good or evil depending upon how important you consider each of those outcomes to be. I remain anti.

(Caveat: a handful of those 20 "improved" titles I counted as improved because they changed a short, highly generic, SEO-friendly title to a long, obviously-crappy title that made clear it was a tedious debugging question. I still count that as an improvement because keeping outright bad questions out of popular Google results is a win in and of itself.)

Shog9

01:44

oh hell yeah

@NickAlexeev yes, lots

you can find the ones on MSE easily enough, but for your additional edification and amusement, please also see:

-14

Q: Version tags considered harmful

We've noticed that a huge percentage of questions are tagged drupal-6 or drupal-7. This is a dangerous pattern for your community to fall into. Here's why: Version tags are redundant. The site is already called "drupal". We don't need to know that it's drupal-6, drupal-7, drupal-8, drupal-9 in...

discussion tags

16

Q: Numeric version tags considered ... OK

As a followup to Version tags considered harmful TL;DR -- my main point in that post: The danger of version tags is that they become de-facto requirements -- crutches to avoid thinking about what tags are actually useful on a question. Left unchecked, version tags will poison your tagging s...

discussion tags

and myself

02:18

morngun

Shog9

02:30

le Fay

SmokeDetector

02:42

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in body (51): Что означает знак "&" в этой строке? С++ by user322459 on ru.stackoverflow.com

forest

If I'm not able to downvote an answer until it is edited because I had previously upvoted, it, can I edit it to reset the counter and let me downvote?

SmokeDetector

03:52

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, potentially bad keyword in answer (61): Why does this question show 2 different close reasons? by Phương Ly on meta.SE

Shree

04:33

cv-pls discussion off-topic Confused about URLs used in OData getting started guide (odata.org/getting-started/understand-odata-in-6-steps)‭ - Ikim SS‭ 2019-01-11 04:02:16Z

cv-pls discussion off-topic cell confluence‭ - Gentleman_LZ‭ 2019-01-11 03:42:30Z

rene

05:45

del-pls 20k+ discussion off-topic Confused about URLs used in OData getting started guide (odata.org/getting-started/understand-odata-in-6-steps)‭ - Ikim SS‭ 2019-01-11 04:02:16Z

del-pls 20k+ discussion off-topic cell confluence‭ - Gentleman_LZ‭ 2019-01-11 03:42:30Z

Journeyman Geek

@forest in theory yes. In practice that would be unusual

Kawoofed. Now I go back to sleep

Shree

06:07

cv-pls discussion off-topic Does anyone want to learn Chinese?‭ - Aaron‭ 2019-01-11 06:01:44Z

forest

06:39

@JourneymanGeek Well there's nothing against it I hope?

There's just an answer that I had upvoted in the past, but now I want to remove the upvote (I don't actually want to downvote it) because, in looking up the information further, it turns out the answer is not completely correct.

John Dvorak

There's a good chance you'll anger the poster, but that's it

Also, it's not OK if you do it for tens of answers at once.

forest

Yeah probably.

Not ideal either because I wrote an answer to the same question...

So it'd look like I'm trying to rep whore or something.

John Dvorak

definitely would

forest

Oh well. I won't do it then.

John Dvorak

Can you make an actual edit?

forest

06:47

Well there are always things that can be improved.

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A: Argon2 with SHA-256 instead of Blake2

If you take a look at the Password Hashing Competiton, you can see, that most of the schemes use Blake2b, some of them uses SHA-512, none of them uses SHA-256. Blake2b is optimized for 64-bit platforms and this property fits exactly the requirement of a password hashing scheme. SHA-512 would al...

It's an OK answer, but the conclusion is incorrect.

I.e. you could absolutely use SHA-256 as the compression function instead of just the reduced-round and modified BLAKE2b, though it would give the attacker a slight computational advantage over the defender due to a lower memory fill rate.

But yeah I won't remove the upvote even if it turns out to be partially wrong.

Shree

07:19

del-pls 20k+ support off-topic float division by zero‭ - murat cengiz‭ 2019-01-11 06:22:45Z

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

07:41

@Servy Well no, I am in fact not. — Moltas.C yesterday

I like this user's approach

and myself

07:54

Last "year in moderation"?: MathOverflow

Magisch

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Thats another fundamental misunderstanding wrt expectations there

A lot of junior devs today have the mindset of "I have to learn on SO, everyone does it" from there follows "SO has a moral obligation to help me learn (by tutoring, abiding bad questions, etc)" followed by anger when this doesn't pan out.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@Magisch No I mean the Moltas approach

forest

Wait, you're saying you guys aren't my personal tutor???

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

No that is not what I meant, forceful period. I've said it all in the previous comments, go read them. I'm not proposing what I wrote in my question, it's pretty clear and obvious.

@forest It's OK, I personally deduce the fee from your account without your intervention.

That's good tutoring service right there.

forest

:p

Magisch

08:01

@forest I'm wholly unqualified to be that, having about 4 years of total coding experience only at this point

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Deduct. I definitely did not make that mistake

and myself

I'm certainly a personal tutor of something that have yet to be decided on Anime.SE...

forest

wat

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself Is that the name of an anime, because I wouldn't be surprised

and myself

08:17

a future light novel, yes, it's on planning phase

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

It'd be self-contradictory for some completed work to be called "something that have yet to be decided"

And probably ungrammatical

and myself

No, the light novel's title is "I'm certainly a personal tutor of something that have yet to be decided on Anime.SE"

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Title longer than body is a good sign for VLQ light novel. -1, VTC, get ze banz

Are Gravatars generated per email?

forest

Yes.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

This guy over at ELL chat has a gravatar than changes faster than he changes underwear

forest

08:25

It comes from salted MD5 of the email.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

OK well that's weird

forest

Not really. The salt is secret (it didn't used to be) so it can't be brute forced.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

The salt isn't weird, it's an ionic compound. I meant his changing Gravatars

forest

So he's changing his email often?

It's also possible that he's just using Gravatar-like avatars, manually.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

There was this old bug report where Gravatars decided to change but I saw a third Gravatar for that user so those are the only explanations other than a bug

and myself

08:30

Meeting Norm (or any of his other incarnations) on meta feels strange yet nostalgic for me...

(I hope that doesn't come as creepy :x

Derpy

Morning.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Mornoon!

and myself

Mornight~

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@andmyself It wouldn't have if you didn't mention the possibility

Derpy

I need a quick reply from one of the watch winners.

Anyone can help?

and myself

08:32

Ask Evan

Derpy

.... anyone else that can really help?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I'm out of time. BBL

Derpy

then I guess I'll have to wait for the parrot... or maybe @ShadowWizard

Mithrandir

@Derpy o/

Derpy

@Mithrandir do you happen to still have the spam email that were sent? I have deleted them but would want to confirm a thing.

Mithrandir

08:46

yeah, still have em

and myself

@Derpy not this?

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy I didn't win the watch contest...

Derpy

@Mithrandir ok, based on the meta post that incident caused it seems that the first mail actually contained a transparent image. Could you please check the url of said image? I have the suspect that image could have been a web beacon.

Mithrandir

@ShadowWizard I hear some went to spam, so check your spam folder?

Shadow Wizard

I don't need a watch so decided to let others have fair chance... ;)

Magisch

08:49

@Derpy What are you suspecting?

Shadow Wizard

@Mithrandir I... Umm.. Didn't even post.

Mithrandir

ah

Magisch

I also still have the spam emails, but only at home

Mithrandir

@Derpy one mo', checking on laptop instead of phone

Magisch

Based on the amount of BCCs they did send watches to nearly everyone who participated

Mithrandir

08:51

Just shows a broken image thing, @Derpy

Derpy

you can't see the url? OK, will have to see if I can track that somehow.

SmokeDetector

09:02

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in body, mostly dots in title (115): please delete..............delete ✏️ by JohnBorg on serverfault.com

Shree

09:25

cv-pls bug off-topic there was an error when using R studio to run an R package?‭ - 焦利鹏‭ 2019-01-11 09:21:36Z

Magisch

Interesting stats here for Stackoverflow (assuming they're correct) : stackoverflow | -8.51% | -12.06% | -10.37%

Derpy

if you don't tell us what the numbers are...

Magisch

So Stack Overflow got 8.51% fewer questions in 2018 then in 2017, 12.06% fewer answers, and 10.37% fewer posts overall

Derpy

oh, that.

forest

Perhaps the quality of the site is simply degrading.

Derpy

09:29

didn't someone post a similar question on some meta recently?

forest

dunno

Shree

del-pls 20k+ bug off-topic there was an error when using R studio to run an R package?‭ - 焦利鹏‭ 2019-01-11 09:21:36Z

Derpy

yep

-37

Q: SO dying. What can be done?

Note *I've modified the queries. Do check them - they look at unclosed questions, only looking at answer rates for the year in question. Let me know if I need to correct something please. Note2 This isn't a dupe, first that's a 2016 question, while it looks like a big drop in 2018. Second the me...

discussion

Yesterday

forest

That's a lot of downvotes for such an innocent question.

Shadow Wizard

@forest on the contrary. Better quality check, less crappy questions and less easy answers.

At least.... I hope so.

forest

09:32

I've always heard the opposite.

Then again I don't really use SO.

Asked one question there once with plenty of detail, never got an answer.

Shadow Wizard

Also, with time there's "all questions already been asked" effect, so it's harder to ask "new" things.

forest

So I spend my time elsewhere.

Shadow Wizard

But did you get answer elsewhere? Doubt it.

forest

I did. IRC is great.

Shadow Wizard

It's not Q&A

forest

09:35

Yeah but Freenode has a lot of channels for programming questions.

Magisch

@forest SO meta is prone to pile on downvoting

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Time to invent a new language ;)

Magisch

tis' a harsh place

@ShadowWizard But everything must grow! if you're not growning fast enough, you're worthless! an economist told me that so it must be true

forest

That explains SE staff mentality.

:^)

Magisch

@forest For instance, look at this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/378835/…

Tinkeringbell

09:37

@Magisch Says the cactus :P They're not really fast growers, are they?

Magisch

Is it a duplicate? Yes. Is it -15 worthy? certainly not

forest

Huh. SO meta is weird.

Magisch

@Tinkeringbell Maybe I'm growing my business right now as cactus enterprises ltd

Derpy

Your question is composed by two parts: one is a rant about downvotes, and the second one is a real issue. If you remove the rant (remember: have a tear of rant in a post, and all others will comment on is the rant) then you may get a good question. But then I fear that you may have still a problem: either you are aiming at resolving what seem an impossible problem by asking for a feature that can't be done (how you would recognize a vote as "revenge vote"?) or you will ask for a feature where people would need to "justify their downvotes, probably with an anonymous comment... — SPArchaeologist Oct 18 '16 at 18:21

^ this one is the rule, @forest. Sadly, I can't seem to find an even older comment I made once

probably silently deleted - as usual.

Magisch

or this is someone with a maybe BS story about serial voting, but -23? harsh meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/378788/…

forest

09:39

The inability to see deleted comments is an issue. :/

Derpy

It basically said that one of the Meta/site rule is this:

forest

> My annoying brother made an account just to upvote all of my answers, to try to get me banned

Oh yeah 100% BS.

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch sure, that's why SO still exists and stable. :)

forest

I'll note that this could have been avoided if you hadn't answered your "brother's" question within two minutes of it being posted, then voted for them just enough so that they cleared the 15-rep threshold for upvotes. Then your "brother" wouldn't have had the reputation to vote exclusively for you. — Brad Larson ♦ yesterday

ahahahahaha

Derpy

> whenever an user post an idea you don't like, if there is a way to make it look like a rant... that is the perfect reason to dismiss any objection he may have.

Shadow Wizard

09:41

But decrease of questions amount is totally expected, and not a bad sign, IMO.

forest

> Because we can totally tell if you're making all of this up, we have ways.

Now I'm curious what exact techniques are used for new accounts.

Browser fingerprinting? Nothing as complex as stylometric analysis for sure.

Unless this is just a case of "dumb sockpuppets are dumb".

Magisch

if memory serves largely ip and usage pattern associations

forest

So stuff that basic OPSEC would get around.

Magisch

a metric ton of sockpuppet operators are in fact so bad at hiding it that you can even see something is up without moderator or employee access

Derpy

@forest If post does not contain MLP reference --> not Derpy.

Magisch

09:44

> We have a person who works for us and part of her job is literally sending people spiders, when she's not managing our community team.

Derpy

think they also recently implemented a similar check for @Shadow

Magisch

Now I'm curious who that is

forest

I know nothing about MLP.

Derpy

if (chatMessage.status != uncouth ) --> not @ShadowWizard :P

forest

Just that it's a kid's show about ponies.

Magisch

09:45

Thats the gist of it

forest

That pseudocode made me die a little inside.

Derpy

@Magisch cats shaped like ponies.

Magisch

@forest $model = new XmlAbstractModel(new XmlModelView(new SimpleXmlElement($xmlString)));

forest

[screams internally]

Magisch

@forest $this->iteratorModel->iteratebyXml($model->getAsXml('special','utf-8'));

forest

09:49

ASL is a less horrific language than that. O_o

Magisch

@forest :D

Derpy

10:02

@forest pseudocode is pseudo.

Magisch

$command_array['value'][2]['value'][2]['value'][2]['value'][2][2][1][0][3][0] for when your array wasn't deep enough so you made it deeper

forest

2deep4me

Derpy

10:18

mumble... maybe I could switch the current avatar for this one.

forest

184

Q: Can an uninitialized bool crash a program?

I know that "undefined behaviour" in C++ can pretty much allow the compiler to do anything it wants. However, I had a crash that surprised me, as I would have assumed the code looked safe enough. In this case, the real problem happened only on a specific platform using a specific compiler, and on...

c++ llvm undefined-behavior abi

This is actually a really interesting question.

Compiler optimizations are fascinating!

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Pick something that looks a bit happier :)

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell would be happier, it that muffin didn't became an orange.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Hahaha. I didn't even notice that. ;)

Magisch

@forest That's fascinating

So CLang optimizes based on the string length of the ternary expression and the assumption that bool can only be 0x0000 0001 or 0x0000 0000 in memory

Derpy

10:29

@Tinkeringbell original:

Tinkeringbell

I don't know... I don't like seeing sad avatars ;)

Makes me wonder if the person behind it is okay.

Magisch

the eyes are dissonantly shiny in that picture

doesnt fit with the muted tone of the rest

Rob

@Derpy - If you want Derpy with a cupcake there is this:

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell was the last one, now is an orange. You would be sad too.

Magisch

@Derpy oranges are extremely tasty

I'd take one over a muffin

forest

10:37

@Magisch Well 0x00 or 0x01 since it's one byte.

Derpy

@Magisch ^ notice that the box does not list the character name. You know why?

and myself

Hasbro...

forest

That looks like a person instead of a pony.

And why does she have lazy eye?

and myself

Herp Derp

forest

I know that's a South Park reference but I don't get how it applies here.

(I know next to nothing about MLP)

Rob

10:43

You can look up the definition of the word derpy.

forest

> Used as a substitute for speech regarded as meaningless or stupid, or to comment on a foolish or stupid action.

en.wiktionary.org/wiki/derpy#English Yeah I have no idea.

I'm guessing it means that character is foolish/stupid.

Rob

Sigh. Try: google.com/search?q=derpy+definition

forest

> adjective. informal. Foolish or stupid. 'they say some pretty derpy things'

From the first result. They're literally all like that.

Rob

Yes.

forest

Oh, UD saves the day

> Not "all there in the head"; possibly lacking intelligence or common sense. The wall-eyed background character in "My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic", Derpy Hooves, is named after this.

Magisch

10:48

MLP did face some harsh criticism for disrespecting people with mental disabilities by making that character

forest

lmao wow

That's some special snowflake stuff right there.

And it's somewhat offensive to assume walleyed people are mentally retarded in the first place, so if someone gets upset that it disrespects people with mental disabilities, they're being disrespectful themselves.

Derpy

OK... seem no one has a clue.

Let me quickly explain.

Hasbro never made Derpy.

she is the result of an animation error in the first episode.

Magisch

pretty much the first time I ever heard of MLP was because of a giant drama fest regarding the derpy character

forest

I only heard about MLP through people being mean to fans of the show lol

I've never even heard of that derpy drama.

Derpy

forest

10:52

So uh... what about Patrick from Spongebob? Or Peter from Family Guy?

Any criticism of those characters?

Rob

Yes, thanks for clearing that up.

Derpy

^ see? She is the gray one in the background, just above Twilight.

forest

ahahaha that's quite some production error

Derpy

In a weird turn of events, when the MLP first episode aired, people noticed the error pretty soon...

and you know how internet goes.

forest

It was instantaneously immortalized?

Derpy

10:53

one day later, she had become a meme.

forest

Poh tah toh

Magisch

@Derpy I mean, unsurprising. the eye displacement lends itself to uniqueness

Derpy

and the fandom gave her the name "Derpy" because of her eyes and clumsy appearance.

Magisch

also, people seem to really really like that show and its art style for some reason

forest

The art style is neat but I don't get what's so fun about adults watching a kid's show.

I mean it's not like a family show for all ages, but a show specifically for little kids.

Derpy

10:55

Seems "derpy eyes" also can be used to indicate strabismus.

forest

I mean obviously there's something people like, but still.

Derpy

so, the name "Derpy" came from the fans, not Hasbro.

Problem arose when Hasbro later gave her a talking role in an episode.

forest

With the eyes?

Derpy

this was the scene they made.

Derpy Hooves First Lines Talks HD 1080p

►

notice that they intended to suggest that she has eyesight problems, something that the fandoms had made an head-cannon of since episode 1

forest

That's still nothing to get offended about.

"We need a more realistic representation of people in shows, including people with conditions" "ZOMG you included someone with a condition in your show how horrible!"

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