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16:09
@Feeds *Many Memes Of Meta
Actually, chat meta
I like round numbers :)
At least it's not 404,404 because you'd have no reputation left.
I just got a 404 error while trying to get on this chat room
My pure luck
@Tinkeringbell switch. You meant switch.
@TimPost Thanks for that 404,404 reputation comment
16:14
@Derpy I meant switch :P
also, just discovered that you need to play Pokemon go to in order to be able to get Meltan/Melmetal in pokemon Let's go.
meltan can only be got in pokemon go AFTER you transfer a pokemon to Let's Go
and evolving to melmetal requires... 400 candies.
so, happy grinding.
AND the grind has to be made in the smartphone game.
A bot removed it's own chat?
Or was it someone else
Oh the question got deleted thats why
@Tinkeringbell anyway, I think I will try and watch some lets's play first. I don't know how much actual "content" the game has now.
@Devealte smokey will self delete if it can
Yes I just discovered it
Look at this fact that many people still can't understand:
On posts tagged feature-request, voting can indicate agreement or disagreement with the proposed change rather than just the quality or usefulness of the post itself.
16:35
@Devealte it makes more sense on a per site meta
Maybe
But I can't understand
Why people say they downvote because the question is poorly written
Nobody once said: "I downvoted your feature-request question because I disagree with your idea"
I mean...
plenty have said something similar, but omitted teh "i downvoed x because"
I don't consider "i downvoted x because" to be useful information. Just provide your criticism, noone should care whether or not you voted for the post.
or say why you disagree
maybe in an answer
There's a reason why comment starting with +1/-1 on SO is blocked...
+1/-1=0
Or... -1?
16:49
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, messaging number in answer (171): can phone services be affected by ddos attacks? by spam.group on security.SE
Is a comment starting with +0 blocked? ;)
@ShadowWizard no o_O
and well, it's easy to bypass the filter if they try harder though...
Who advertises on questions...
The can phone services be affected by ddos attacks?
Huh? 38 people in Tavern? Something happened? (usually 25-ish people here, no?)
hey Shadow. Why don't you have a seat, eh?
16:53
ntiaao
We're all your friends
we need to talk
@ShadowWizard 9 of them are Shog, since he's back. :P
@Tinkeringbell good point :D
@ShadowWizard Happy hour!
This is the most active I've ever seen this chat room be
16:58
We missed Town Hall Meeting then...
@ShadowWizard people are talking lol
and so more people
This is considered: SPAM, please ignore this.
SPAM Some more
flagged as spam
Oh no,
@Devealte you assume spammers have any common sense ;p
@andmyself those would be nice to have again
17:03
I'll guess I'll italicize some more!
especially in the current state of things
italicized Alot more
an italicized alot is an alot that's leaning to the right
17:04
Wow!
👌
It works!
🙃
I'm having to resist the urge to go on an editing spree....
@Catija Why are you not writing in italicized !??!?!?!
Because chat is too serious for this silliness...
@Shog9 only if in front row! ;)
17:11
but well... italic is not inclusive enough not to include left leaner...
@Catija neat! :D
Well,
True
@Glorfindel ins't 4 the number of death in Chinese culture? O_O
17:29
Oh my,
Tetraphobia (from Greek τετράς—tetras, "four" and φόβος—phobos, "fear") is the practice of avoiding instances of the number 4. It is a superstition most common in East Asian nations. == Rationale == The Chinese word for four (四, pinyin: sì, jyutping: sei3), sounds quite similar to the word for death (死, pinyin: sǐ, jyutping: sei2), in many varieties of Chinese. Similarly, the Sino-Japanese, Sino-Korean, and Sino-Vietnamese words for four, shi (し, Japanese), and sa (사, Korean), sound similar or identical to death in each language (see Korean numerals, Japanese numerals, Vietnamese numerals...
Well,
I guess he's out of luck
But six fours are fine!
666444131313?
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer, potentially bad asn for hostname in answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer (180): User files lost when rebooting an Ubuntu 18.04 system installed on a USB stick by Devid John on askubuntu.com
18:16
Guys, what would happen if Jeff Artwood came back ??
> There's a man goin' 'round takin' names
And he decides who to free and who to blame
Everybody won't be treated all the same
There'll be a golden ladder reachin' down
When the man comes around
@Shog09, is that a poem from Jeff Attword?
@Shog09, why is that indented and all the other messages are not indented?
@user1271772 Johnny Cash
Oh I looked it up, seems he is a singer from the black-and-white era
@JNat Why is Shog09's Johnny Cash quote indented while everyone else's posts are not indented? Also, what does this have to do with Jeff Attword?
it starts with > which makes it a blockquote
> like this
18:26
> ok
> oh i see
> Are there any other tricks like that?
>>
> >
] >
fixed font strikethrough bold Italics
I was aware of bold and Italics how do I do strikethrough and fixed font?
oh I see
JNat did the smart thing.
@Fabby Which is what?
Oh sent me the link
But that link has nothing about the indentations!
18:30
Teach you how to fish... ;-)
@Fabby, why do you have the same profile pick as @ArtOfCode ?
they don't
Oh yours spirals the other way around
very much different, just similar colors
You have to zoom in to see the difference
18:32
@user1271772 Or you need glasses...
Guys did anyone here know Jeff Artwood ?
know as in "have heard his name", not "personally know him"
@ArtOfCode one of your Top Network Posts confuses Google, thinking your display pic is related to Windows 10 :)
ha
google is dumb
@andmyself : Which network post is that?
and uhh.... according to Google Reverse Image Search, Fabby's display pic is related to Unix :O
18:38
oh jeeeeeez Cortana is so annoying
I was trying just to search my own computer and it keeps searching online instead
I don't really use Windows 10 anymore
Oh so you reverse image searched his picture and his top network post came up?
yeah, weird
Guys, we cannot copy and paste images into this window?
We have to save it on our computer and then upload?
correct
If you like using chat, and want it to be easier... Get this:
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Q: SE Chat Modifications -- Keyboard navigation and commands for chat

Tim Stone Screenshot Use /command shortcuts to perform common chat tasks: See message history inline: Easily preview replied-to messages: And much, much more... About Legends tell of a prolific Meta Stack Overflow chatter who despised using their mouse above all things. In an effort to keep t...

KB nav is a lifesaver... But there's also a shitty paste-to-upload feature built into it now as well.
Wow... they gave me +100 points just for clicking "join this community" on that site you linked @Shog09
18:45
358
Q: What is the association bonus?

Tanuj WadhwaI was just awarded +100 reputation on all of my Stack Exchange accounts. What is this bonus for? It simply says "Association Bonus" on my reputation overview. Return to FAQ index

Thank you @Catija, so I only need 50 more points to vote in that election?
That's the general rule, yep...
didn't know it was that easy
How do I claim my +100 for sites that I already joined earlier though??
We have to ask for it retro-actively ?
You get it automatically.
Even for Stack Overflows?
Which is was the first site I joined?
Seems I got association bonus on Stack Overflow on 6 October 2016
@user1271772 Look at your rep history for October 6th 2016.
yes
Even though I joined that stack exchange in 2012
I wrote the FAQ... it explains it all...
Yes it seems that I got three of those on October 16
18:53
> The Association Bonus is a block award of 100 reputation granted on all of a user's network profiles, including ones created after the bonus is awarded. It is awarded when a user's account has accumulated 200+ reputation on any one site in the network, provided they have at least two network accounts.
Seems like such an easy way to gain rep
But it allows us to vote on places we've never been before
That's by design. All of the rep requirements take these sorts of things into account.
50 points seems quite easy to vote in the elections
Very few people care to do the work required to vote and one vote is rarely the difference between two candidates' scores.
I think that more than 1 person voted who had only 50 points non-association-bonus reputation
18:59
Not really sure what you're getting at.
Oh you said that one vote rarely makes the difference, but I'm saying that more than one of them got the right to vote quite easily
And?
And what?
The idea behind the association reputation is you understand the basics of the SE model
And are probably not a spammer
And yet the system doesn't trust me with downvotes. I can recognize a homework dump on any site.
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19:15
folks complain enough about new-to-the-site people upvoting... Imagine if more of 'em could downvote...
as a rule, folks really don't like their posts getting downvoted
> as a rule, folks really don't like their posts getting downvoted
I agree very much with that !!
The complaint is that HNQ'd questions get unreasonably high scores from HNQ. Now imagine if the people who come from HNQ could actually fight the effect!
@Shog09, can we make people earn 150 points without association bonus, to vote in elections?
@JohnDvorak Downvote a post out of HNQ ;)
19:23
Anyone want to test this userscript on this post?
@JohnDvorak to play devil's advocate, imagine if a bunch of people who come in without the required domain knowledge think something sounds wrong/isn't well written/offends them and false downvotes start flying.
is that any different than a bunch of people coming in and upvoting something that is completely wrong?
@scohe001 like most stuff on Islam?
@KevinB I think un-necessary upvoting is okay compared to un-necessary downvoting
On "Matlab answers" you can only upvote
@KevinB Yes. If User A and User B have answers and A gets unfairly upvoted, B can grumble but probably won't be too upset. If B gets unfairly downvoted, there'll probably be a lot more trouble
19:25
i disagree
I like that actually
@Glorfindel I'll install it once I'm back at my pc
The quality of the post is judged by the number of upvotes, rather than the "net score"
@JohnDvorak meh I didn't really have anything specific in mind. More like I'm definitely not qualified to downvote almost anything on astronomy for instance
I agree with @scohe001
So we're getting rid of downvotes completely?
Like MATLAB Answers did ?
19:27
@user1271772 oh boy I hope not. Downvotes are powerful when used correctly
A bunch of undue upvotes circumvents the voting system no better or worse than a bunch of undue downvotes. Yes... someone's feelings gets get hurt, but we're left with garbage we can't get rid of
@Glorfinkel, you said you like round numbers, did you notice you have exactly 1000 on Stack Apps ?
@user1271772 not anymore :P
Why does it not give a link when I tag @Gorfinkel, but it does when people tag me?
Oh someone upvoted you
@user1271772 because it's with a d, not a k.
19:29
Too quick for you to capture the screenshot?
@Gorfindel, you downvote just to make it deletable?
@KevinB don't get me wrong, if I could have it my way, voting would work like protected questions (you need to earn X rep on the site, regardless of the association bonus). I agree undue downvotes would be exactly as bad as upvotes, but the backlash to the community and discouragement most users would get would probably be a lot worse than from only upvotes.
@user1271772 those kind of questions, yes.
I think you did it a few times on my qustions
I would prefer the two kinds of votes to simply share the same rep threshold, even if that means bring downvotes down to a lower number.
19:30
@Glorfindel That is a link to your own network site
@user1271772 no, certainly not. I might have downvoted you (just checked: 1 upvote and 1 downvote on your 8 visible Meta posts) but I'll never delete questions which have been posted on Meta in good faith.
The rep cost alone would still make abusing them very punitive until you built up more rep (trust) on the site.
@Gorfinkel, what is "violent monkey" ?
I found that when I google searched it
But it just lets you add a button called "lost souls" to people's questions?
19:34
It's a browser extension which lets you run userscripts, which are small JavaScript programs that enhance the functionality of certain websites.
@user1271772 yes (only users with 1 rep, to prevent mistakes)
BTW, there are other userscript managers like GreaseMonkey and TamperMonkey.
Somehow, they're all monkeys :P
So the "userscript" was written by you, and violent monkey lets you run it?
yes
The Stack Apps site contains many of them, in the tag.
But I need to add the violent monkey extension in order to run your userscript which adds the "lost souls" tag?
yes, or GreaseMonkey or TamperMonkey.
I wouldn't do it just for this script, there are ones which are much more useful.
And then when it works I say so in the "Answer" to your question?
19:38
No, Stack Apps works slightly different.
Answers are sometimes used for feature requests, support questions, bug reports, etc.
So violentMonkey is the best one?
I just downloaded it for Google Chrome but it's asking me for permission for a bunch of things
"Are you sure you want to add this..." etc.
@user1271772 I've used them all, both GreaseMonkey and TamperMonkey have failed me at some point in the past. Most basic scripts probably work in all three of them.
Are these useful for other sites, not just Stack Exchange?
I think so. The Stack Exchange scripts have been developed because there were userscript managers, not the other way around. I don't use userscripts on other sites TBH
Ok I followed your advice and installed violentmonkey on Google Chrome
19:44
I use 'em on a few different sites, and was using them long before SO existed. Userscripts are pretty handy - they let you wrest back control from power-hungry web devs who would say what you can or can't do with your own computer.
...and, uh, also just fix little annoyances and so on
@user1271772 great, now let's wait for another lost soul.
So div.post-signature.owner just finds out who the stackExchange user is, and then span.reputation-score finds out how much rep they have?
@Shog9 They're also anathema to web devs trying to debug
@user1271772 yes.
@Glorfindel it casted a deleted vote and a downvote for me, no comment
19:46
one of the people from the processing dept somehow got their hand on tampermonkey and made a US to reorder form controls in a webform. Then other people started using it and suddenly everything breaks when I rename a form-control's internal field name
@rene probably because there was already a comment on the question.
Makes sense
We don't want to spam the lost souls with duplicate comments :)
@Shog09, you mean all these Monkeys (GreeseMonkey, ViolentMonkey etc.) excisted more than 10 years ago?
oh yes
19:47
There were monkies before there were men ;p
but not before dogs :P
I used one probably 15-16 years ago in a situation akin to what @Magisch describes: hacking up a terrible ASP.NET 1.0 app to allow keyboard navigation in a form that required a LOT of keyboard input.
@user1271772 greasemonkey's initial release was about 13 years ago
(well, their ferocious ancestors)
@Glorfindel technically...
19:48
@JourneymanGeek : I'm being serious, I'm trying to figure out how to use the thing that @Gorfinkel wrote
@JourneymanGeek , I see. That's a long time. I never heard of it before.
Being ASP.NET 1.0, all of the element IDs were terrible and changed at the drop of a hat. But maintaining the script was still easier than entering data without it.
@user1271772 there's been userscripts for quite a while - and often other similar methods
like bookmarklets
@user1271772 the comments try to describe what it does, but if you don't have much experience with JavaScript/jQuery it'll take a while to grasp.
No problem, I'll be around for a few hours anyway :)
Then there's the other end of users who suddenly can't function if firefox updates because the UI changed ever so slightly
@Magisch :/
19:50
Have you ever used the developer functions of your browser to examine the HTML document?
@Magisch FF's UI changing is why I finally made the switch
@Glorfindel Sometimes it comes up accidentally
Do you not like the new FF ui?
I used to have the perfect UI for my needs (oneliner) which broke with quantum
I admit I use chrome at home
19:50
I run vivaldi everywhere now
@Magisch if your muscle memory relies on certain buttons being at certain places, I can imagine. It's one of the reasons they kept piano designs identical for multiple centuries :)
you're just like my colleague
he evangilizes vivaldi everywhere now
@Magisch eh, I use it. For specific tasks, its superior.
What I do genuinely not like about the new FF is that it does not play nice with server side error messages in the dev console
19:52
@Glorfindel : Because in Ubuntu termianl, I need to do ALT+CTRL+C to copy text (because CTRL+C alone closes the program running). But I got so used to that and now sometimes I accidentally do that in Google Chrome when copying/pasting. This causes some of those dev functions to pop up I believe
and the POST/GET request analyzing view is awful
Piano 2.0: Now in Full Color
@Shog09, was Stack Exchange written in a way that makes it especially easy for people to write these userscripts? Gorfinke'ls userscript is able to pull up people's reputation so easily
@rene runs to piano to play Somewhere over the Rainbow
It's as if the SE developers made it so you can easily grab this information
19:53
@Magisch now what I miss us tthe old oneliner UI on FF
SE just has a generally clean design
which merged everything into one line, which was nice on smaller screens
largely free of the complete nonsense some other webpages pull
@user1271772 general rule: if it's visible in your browser, the userscript can find it as well.
@user1271772 probably also the fact that a lot of SE users are devs
19:54
Does @Shog09 have a user script which makes it impossible to 'ping' his username?
shog does not like to be pinged haphazardly
just drop the leading zero
though you could probably turn off the sound
0shog09?
19:55
or work out some other clever hack like the unicode crew
Oh the 'o' in Shog is a 0? It can't be, it's too small
@Glorfindel : What does that mean?
@user1271772 ... no. There IS NO 0 in his username. I mentioned that yesterday.
@user1271772 on a question page, you can see both your own reputation (in the top bar) and the author's reputation, right? Well, then the userscript can see that as well, and adjust its behaviour (i.e. not displaying the 'lost souls' button if the author has > 1 rep, and not trying to vote-to-delete if the question isn't closed or you don't have 20k rep)
@user1271772 that's generally true, although some of the newer pages / designs are less amenable. For example, try scraping structured data from user profiles - it's a mess.

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