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Shadow Wizard

11:00 PM

aka... taking it out of HNQ was good, the way it was done is not.

Something Bad Happened

It's okay, but it's not like it's the only problematic site.

Shadow Wizard

(as was told here and on MSE 1000 times... :))

Andras Deak

I don't think this is really about IPS. At least I haven't been mulling over this incident for the larger part of today because IPS was attacked. It's because of what this signals about the company's behaviour towards the communities.

which is nothing new, but I like stating the obvious

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard and the same is true for workplace

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Shadow Wizard

11:01 PM

@AndrasDeak you mean obeying whims of powerful outsiders?

Andras Deak

"powerful", heh

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard I wouldn't consider a lot of them powerful

Shadow Wizard

1k followers? Yup.

Lots of public exposure.

Andras Deak

it's part that, and part ignoring the questions/requests/pleas/whatevers of powerless insiders

Journeyman Geek

But they are not invested in the health and success of the community

Andras Deak

11:03 PM

@ShadowWizard well I'll have you know I've reached 286k programmers, so there's that

Shadow Wizard

With 1k followers, a tweet like "Look! They [describe something wrong here]!" can easily become viral and draw tons of IRL fire upon SE.

And that's why they panic.

Something Bad Happened

I suspect it's not about follower count, I think it's about the particular individual being an emotionally sympathetic character to employees.

Andras Deak

@ShadowWizard which shouldn't stop anyone from conducting themselves appropriately

Shadow Wizard

@AndrasDeak they ignore our requests ever since SE was created, I got used to that. :)

Andras Deak

Monica's relevant MSE answer explains that one can respond to such allegations properly without having to take a dump on any community

Shadow Wizard

11:06 PM

@JourneymanGeek who? Those who tweet? They only want to hurt SE.

And usually they succeed in that.

@AndrasDeak hehe, the "people reached" is just a fun feature with 0 actual meaning.

@SomethingBadHappened I bet that with few followers, even being "emotionally sympathetic character to employees" won't draw any actual action, maybe just "Yeah, you're right".

Something Bad Happened

when I was last at Google I told M&A they should buy Stack Overflow but for whatever reason they didn't follow my unsolicited suggestion

Shadow Wizard

Stack Overflow can't grow further, only shrink. Hence, it's useless for the big companies who buy only products that can grow.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard assuming its about SE is a mistake

Shadow Wizard

I mean... all programmers already use it.

Something Bad Happened

It doesn't need to get bigger; it's already potentially extremely valuable, in the right context.

Journeyman Geek

11:11 PM

@ShadowWizard apparently not

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Microsoft integrating it into their network of developer resources would be nice for their brand, and they'd be able to leverage the user and traffic.

Google isn't quite as well-positioned but could find a similar angle.

Shadow Wizard

@SomethingBadHappened nah, it will just become their internal support forum.

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Atlassian is a stretch, since they're more intranet/internal, but they're not implausible either.

Journeyman Geek

@SomethingBadHappened and probably strip away most of the reasons core SE users are here

Shadow Wizard

SO business model is tricky... to really make money the only way is charge the users, one way or another.

Something Bad Happened

11:13 PM

It's very hard to directly monetize without killing it

see: the current business model

Shadow Wizard

When "y" becomes "s" it's a sign I'm tired. 2:10 here.. night!

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard my opinion is they put too much stock in a few bad bets

Something Bad Happened

But these larger brands can get indirect value in greater alignment with the community.

(or maybe not, since people smarter than I have apparently not decided to make this happen)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek you think Teams is also a bad bet?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard hmm

Not really

SE does one thing better than anyone else

Something Bad Happened

11:16 PM

I just started a new job, and a teammate told me that apparently they were in the Channels beta but didn't find it nearly useful enough to justify paying for when it went Gold. :(

Shadow Wizard

And with that.... going to shower and sleep. :)

Journeyman Geek

The problem with careers was you are basically competing with every single other job site

And there's no real consistent revenue stream

No one else has something like channels. But ya, you can have a solution waiting for a problem

Andras Deak

*cough* SO Docs *cough*

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I am going to go play Celeste and smoke a joint. God bless Canada. 🇨🇦🇨🇦🇨🇦

Journeyman Geek

@AndrasDeak actually wasn't a bad idea but ya

The business major in me wants to pull out a bcg diagram

Andras Deak

11:30 PM

apart from the demand and the implementation it was perfect

Journeyman Geek

The big problem with core Q and A is it's a mature product

There is no real features that are needed, and it's hard to justify new investment in something that mostly just works

@AndrasDeak what else is there? :P

Actually I think that's a unspoken issue. It just works. Everyone assumes it will. It's unsexy.

Kevin B

11:53 PM

meh

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