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11:00 AM

@Derpy Well, in a way, if you want just one list, a community wiki is what you should be after. If you want a separate answer for each hat, then you wait for everyone to post their own answers (but you may have duplicates and drama to deal with too)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard all you need to do is hate your job and post answers over lunch ;)

Tinkeringbell

Honestly, I think SE employees might just as well make those posts when they start winterbash and make them CW, that way no-one can complain XD

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy oh... I meant the author of the question though. :)

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell and make them wiki from the start.

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy Yep, 'and make them CW' :P

I got that part covered ;)

Journeyman Geek

11:02 AM

@Tinkeringbell @ShadowWizard well, they've talked of using MSE like a blog

and those posts could (should?) be CWified

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy exactly! Eran got hundreds of rep from this. :)

Derpy

Sorry, I wasn't clear enough. The point is that all the fights back then started because the answers were retroactively removed.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Probably. Means I would never have gotten as much reputation as I have now though! :P

Derpy

had all the posts been CW from the start, no one would have complained...

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy onebox is "dumb", no checks whatsoever, it just show the author. The user showing at CW "author" is calculated somehow, something with lines diff.

Journeyman Geek

11:03 AM

@Tinkeringbell Well, I'm a firm believer in plugging through and getting rep over going for the quick ways

Tinkeringbell

@Derpy That's most likely true, and that's where my suggestion came from :)

@JourneymanGeek Oh, I do try. I do get beaten to the point often though XD

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell that's fine.

I often see what they wrote and just go for another angle ;p

Tinkeringbell

like I was still doubting if I should answer here and a certain @shadow beat me to it again! :P

It feels weird writing answers that are just 4 lines long

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell don't doubt

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell slap me for being quick! :D

Journeyman Geek

11:05 AM

you can always edit

@ShadowWizard my SU graph looks like that too

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Eh, I prefer to do it right in one go ;)

Journeyman Geek

I jokingly call that "leveling up"

Shadow Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell perfect is the enemy of "at all"

Derpy

@Tinkeringbell and that is why now I focus on chicken research instead

Shadow Wizard

11:07 AM

@Derpy in ideal world, what @Tinkeringbell suggested is true, SE staff will start all the classic "winter bash lists" every year and make them CW. But... you know, world isn't ideal and so is SE. Staff has no time for this, so those quick enough get a big prize.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard on the other hand, a proportionally, eh, you get a week or two of repcaps?

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek only Skeet get those... Never Ending Repcap

Journeyman Geek

Skeet works for it, somewhat ;)

He does post a ton of good answers

Shadow Wizard

Yup

Derpy

Will see if I get to continue the chain this year.

Shadow Wizard

11:09 AM

Hats list is good too though. :D

(or asking for it)

Derpy

not to be the party crasher here, but last year the hunt didn't go very well. People basically lost interest after the first 3-4 days.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Okay. Next time I see a post I can answer in three words, I will do so :P

Journeyman Geek

@Tinkeringbell many of my answers start with no, then get padded out ;)

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy maybe because it was 100% copy and paste from previous year(s). Hopefully this year they'll add new hats with new ideas/triggers to get those hats.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek :) The 'no' questions often are easiest to answer :)

@ShadowWizard Of course they will! I didn't spend an entire afternoon last year glueing together a prototype! :P

Shadow Wizard

11:14 AM

?

status-lost-Tinker

Derpy

Tempted to add an answer "An Egyptian cat and a monkey-who-should't-be-even-breathing-there fighting in the space near planet Earth"

Magisch

@ShadowWizard I doubt there's designer budget for new hats

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy Add it! Worst case it would be nuked. ;)

Journeyman Geek

what?

@Magisch :(

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Last years contest was all about designing new hats for this year, right? :)

Derpy

11:16 AM

@ShadowWizard be realistic. They always reuse the same triggers, who are strongly biased towards high rep users on high traffic sites.

Shadow Wizard

@Magisch not talking about design. Enough to have original names and original and new ideas, that were not used before. :)

Well, names were fine, but ideas 100% copy and paste.

Post x questions, post y answers, post on [time range here], etc.

All good, but without adding new ideas, long time users will just lose interest.

Derpy

As I have already said multiple times, if it depended on me... the trigger would be A LOT more obscure.

or at least the secret hats ones would be.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard I think building in new triggers would take more time/effort than just designing a new hat for the same trigger.

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell hehe, not really... I doubt they'll use any of those hats for the actual winter bash. :)

Tinkeringbell

Most of the triggers seem to be based on stuff that's already being recorded in daily use ;)

Derpy

11:18 AM

but I can totally understand the effort/cost problem here

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy too hard is also not fun

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek true, but it can work for the secret hats.

Secret hat earned too easily is worth nothing, IMO.

Tinkeringbell

@JourneymanGeek Still, I think I posted a little rant shortly after winterbash in the 'suggestions for next year' to make it a little harder, to avoid mostly really bad questions being asked for the sake of hats.

Shadow Wizard

It's like getting a gold badge for your first post on a site, just for posting it. It makes you value badges a LOT less.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowWizard Not true :P It makes you have high standards for your second post as well :P

Shadow Wizard

11:21 AM

So last year "secret" hats that were awarded just like that made me value them a lot less.

Derpy

@JourneymanGeek one thing is hard. One thing is obscure. Hard is an hat that requires you to get 10 upvotes in ten minutes on a 2 votes a day site where most of the highest rep users don't even have access to 20k mod tools. Obscure is something that everyone can easily do, but few will try.

and some would be very easy to do.

Shadow Wizard

The best hat was some secret hat awarded when a post you made was shared by 5 different people, or something like that.

Nobody was able to guess that.

Mithrandir

Personally, I liked Onion Knight

Shadow Wizard

My guess was related to HNQ, which was pretty close. ;)

(since HNQ and their answers get to be shared more)

Derpy

For example... every year they add the same line "contact us if you want to buy an hat". Add an actual e-mail address to that line and finally the "I-totally-didn't-buy-this" hat could be real

Shadow Wizard

11:24 AM

@Mithrandir yeah, that's the second best IMO. :)

Derpy

another cool and obscure hat idea... give an asteroid hat for playing the Asteroid game.

or for summoning Cthulhu... (assuming that still works somewhere)

Shadow Wizard

Hats for chat are rare.

I'll go with hat for this:

(the dog's hat ^)

The first and only cross-domain chat easter egg. :)

Mithrandir

I'd have to resurrect this room then...

Shadow Wizard

lol

Derpy

Shadow Wizard

11:32 AM

ohhhh lol

Derpy

@ShadowWizard how original, never done before :P

Shadow Wizard

self slap for having short memory

second slap for ignoring own suggestion to be original

faints

Mithrandir

escorts Shadow out of Tavern because they have passed out and are assumed to be drunk

Shadow Wizard

mumble mumble

What came first? Hat, or easter egg? @Derpy

Tinkeringbell

Heh... this one is sharp. Never thought about it, always took it for granted that it would copy your entire profile to all communities ;)

Derpy

11:37 AM

Anyway, they could easily forego the hat costs if they had the idea to do a contest for creating an hat instead of the cheese thing

Shadow Wizard

@Tinkeringbell nah, it used to copy only changed fields.

Derpy

and I mean an actual usable hat image, not a real world craft.

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy as in SVG?

Derpy

exactly.

Shadow Wizard

That won't be fair, only few can really make SVG, the others can't take part.

Tinkeringbell

11:38 AM

@ShadowWizard Really? I must be confused then. Perhaps I did make changes to things before copying XD

Derpy

then just ask for contributions in exchange for popularity.

Shadow Wizard

If anything, they can do something like they did with SO logo.

@Tinkeringbell well, I never used this button afraiding this exact bug. But I did see several mentions about how it should function. :)

Derpy

Create a mail account "hats @ stackoverflow.com" and then ask people to send in ideas. Best ones get picked and the hat description will contain the name of the user who sent the design.

That way, people won't even know what hats were picked BEFORE the event starts.

Shadow Wizard

Not a bad idea ™

Derpy

no need for swags either.

just the time to check the submissions.

Tinkeringbell

11:42 AM

@Derpy I'm not giving up my ideas for free. I want rep or swag or both. But I don't work for free! XD

Shadow Wizard

I guess we can ask @balpha to consider such a thing for real, assuming he's still part of Winter Bash team. (Idea: ask people to send SVG files with hat designs to SE by email in order to save some dev time/money, see above messages from @Derpy)

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Magisch

12:08 PM

trying to do remote software development on a server that has 1.4 mbit / s upload upstream

like pulling teeth

Shadow Wizard

Also, this isn't a feature request asking to add such a feature, it's just a discussion about the concept. — Shadow Wizard 30 secs ago

In case someone downvoted thinking it's a feature request ^

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Somewhat

NO ME

circling around the corner of the room...

Shadow Wizard

@Someone, not @Somewhat. ;)

(Wondering, does it ping? ^)

Somewhat

pong, with both highlight at @Some_

(grr... you made me pinged the other one...)

Shadow Wizard

12:21 PM

lol

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Shadow Wizard

@SmokeDetector k

Tinkeringbell

1:14 PM

Is it just me, or does the logo of SF&F look broken in HNQ?

Somewhat

umm, again?

Tinkeringbell

Oh. That's a thing already? :D

Somewhat

well, last time it's the site switcher...

though SF&F looks fine for me, but then might be different CDN...

Catija

Broken how?

Tinkeringbell

If it looks fine for you, it's probably on my side :)

@Catija Like.. not there at all. Lemme take a snap

Somewhat

1:17 PM

hmm... some of the logo seems to be too lower...

Tinkeringbell

It's consequent. Just SF&F, and it's on all three questions in the HNQ that I encountered when scrolling down

Somewhat

~~erh... HNQ on SE homepage. I thought the sidebar...~~ still looks fine...

Tinkeringbell

@Somewhat Heh. I'm sorry. I'm not used to being very specific :P

Now it looks okay (after f5)

Strange stuff is happening here. Sometimes reloading fixes stuff, sometimes it needs more than 1 reload though.

I'm definitely going to blame the work setup.

Somewhat

!!/blame the work setup

???

!!/alive

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@Somewhat You doubt me?

Somewhat

1:23 PM

!!/blame for doubting you

SmokeDetector

@Somewhat It's Rob's fault.

canon

1:53 PM

I probably overstepped my bounds by overhauling that post in the first place. meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/375164/revisions

Still, Tyler's edit seemed weirdly combative.

jadarnel27

I don't see anything wrong with your edit. Tyler's revision comment certainly seems a bit weird. Maybe he's having a bad day.

Catija

People just need to stop using Edge... will make everything better. ;)

Magisch

edge breaks my company's ERP system

data tables 100% don't work properly with it

Journeyman Geek

2:09 PM

I like edge. It pretends to be safari so I can download Windows 10 isos

(safari is even worse)

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Journeyman Geek

2:21 PM

oh

@Catija remember the festival I was telling you about?

That's this year's ;p

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek Huh? what was that for?

@JourneymanGeek Navratri?

Journeyman Geek

@NogShine yup

Nog Shine

Nice.

Journeyman Geek

though I remember it as golu XD

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Pretty! I like the things on the floor... the sort of sand art things? What are they made of?

Nog Shine

2:23 PM

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. I was about to use that name. Some people do it on Diwali too.

Journeyman Geek

coloured flour

Rangoli

Rangoli is an art form, originating in the Indian subcontinent, in which patterns are created on the floor or the ground using materials such as colored rice, dry flour, colored sand or flower petals. It is usually made during Diwali or Tihar, Onam, Pongal and other Hindu festivals in the Indian subcontinent. Designs are passed from one generation to the next, keeping both the art form and the tradition alive. The purpose of rangoli is decoration, and it is thought to bring good luck. Design depictions may also vary as they reflect traditions, folklore, and practices that are unique to each area...

Catija

Huh. Interesting! Also, your bananas are tiny! They're so cute.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija oh, that's cause we eat different, tastier varieties

you americans literally have one common variety, the cavendish.

We consider that... pretty terrible

Nog Shine

There is Barcode on bananas XD

Catija

Yeah, it's awful. We do get what we call "baby bananas" here, which are good, though they're not shelf stable as long.

Though, I'm not a huge banana fan, though I love banana flavored things... so maybe it's just the Cavendish that's the problem.

Journeyman Geek

2:25 PM

@Catija Ya, cavendishes are basically meant to be hardy. And not much else

@Catija ah, see..

banana flavoured things taste like the previous common banana

the gros michel

Catija

Yeah, which died. :(

Journeyman Geek

which went nearly extinct

Catija

Because we don't have seeds or something... because seedless bananas are easier to eat.

Journeyman Geek

But in india (and I guess asia) we have other local types

Catija

nearly? So it does still exist?

Journeyman Geek

2:26 PM

even red ones!

Most domestic bananas grow through vegitative propagation

Catija

I know they're not the same but I do like a good fried plantain.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija I'm sure there's rare ones

ah, we make chips out of unripe plantains

you can also do whatever you do with a spud with it.

Catija

Pretty much.

Journeyman Geek

We also eat...

Banana flowers, banana stems...

we don't eat banana leaves but we eat on it...

Catija

The purple flower things?

Leaves are good for steaming stuff, though, and have a nice fragrance.

Journeyman Geek

2:28 PM

Kinda

so, those are buds

you can peel off the purple bits and there's little slightly bitter flowerthings inside

you need to remove the central core, and slice em up

Nog Shine

Banana bajji is tasty. Raw bananas are used for this dish.

Bhaji

A bhaji, bhajji, or bajji is a spicy Indian snack or entree dish similar to a fritter, with several variants. It is a popular snack food in Kerala, Tamil Nadu, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka, Assam, West Bengal and Odisha in India, and can be found for sale in street-side stalls, especially in tapris (on streets) and dhabas (on highways). Outside the Indian states of Kerala, Gujarat, Maharashtra, Andhra Pradesh, Tamil Nadu, and Karnataka, such preparations are often known as pakora. Bhajis are a component of traditional Marathi, Tamil, and Telugu cuisine served on special occasions and...

Catija

Oh, huh. I had no idea.

Journeyman Geek

annnd there's like a "heart" of that...

Banana stems are a bit like your...

I believe heart of palm?

Catija

Hmmm... maybe. They're kinda boring.

Journeyman Geek

oh this has an interesting texture

though if its a bit 'old' you basically need to get out a bunch of fibre

Banana stems and flowers are a bit of a chore to prep

Magisch

2:31 PM

I generally dislike banana

Catija

No real flavor, just some texture. I prefer the bamboo shoots or whatever they are.

Journeyman Geek

@Magisch our bananas are not your bananas

;)

Catija

And water chestnuts, which have no real flavor but a nice, crisp bite.

Journeyman Geek

oh those are nice

and the normal ones! We sometimes get them roasted

Catija

Roasted chestnuts are great for winter fairs when it's cold. We got them in Germany and France over a decade ago and they were a great way to keep your hands warm while walking in the cold.

Journeyman Geek

2:35 PM

I THINK they're a seasonal thing here

oddly enough its one of the few things I've seen being sold proper street-food like

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek This festival is celebrated by some during Diwali and some during Sankranti (pongal).

Journeyman Geek

@NogShine oh for us its navaratri.

Diwali is oddly unimportant for us

Nog Shine

Diwali has turned into a festival of crackers and fireworks but it was originally festival of lights.

Journeyman Geek

Well Karthigai is also a festival of lights

;p

And we actually have lights everywhere

we just go to the temple on deepavali

Nog Shine

Is Karthigai Kartika Pournami? Yeah. It is also festival of lights.

Journeyman Geek

2:42 PM

probably

Nog Shine

We put lights near god daily but on Diwali and Kartika Pournami, it is everywhere.

Journeyman Geek

ah, ya

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek Yeah. It is.

I got familiar with Tamil names through some of my friends online. Otherwise, it would be bit confusing. :P

Journeyman Geek

ah yah

Mom's busy with navaratri cause its when ladies visit each other

WHICH REMINDS ME!

Nog Shine

@Catija Is there any bug in merging or synonymizing tags? Though tag-watching is a master of favorite-tags, latter is shown in tag suggestions while posting questions. Some questions are still tagged with favorite-tags.

@JourneymanGeek Same with my mother too.

Journeyman Geek

2:49 PM

@NogShine ya. I need to remind her to do some stuff she's promised to help me do

Catija

3:10 PM

@NogShine Not sure how that's supposed to work.

Magisch

@Catija if you ever visit during the autumn, try some roasted macaroons

they have the same effect but are really tasty too

Catija

@Magisch Macaroons? As in the coconut cookie?

Magisch

Catija

@Magisch Oh, that's what we're talking about. Chestnuts.

Magisch

Kastanien = Chestnuts?

TIL

Catija

3:14 PM

Yep!

For us, at least, macaroons are a cookie:

Magisch

They make them a bit sweetened with some faint vanilla flavoring or pumpkin flavoring

ah

Catija

Not to be confused with Macarons:

Magisch

The dish in germany is called "maronen" so I translated that to maccaroons

Catija

@Magisch Interesting! I've never had them flavored, only plain. We'd get them at the big Gluhwein kegs.

Magisch

yah

it's a favorite german activity to walk around with Glühwein and roasted chestnuts to fend off the cold

Tinkeringbell

3:17 PM

@Magisch Ah, so that's what I did wrong. :P

I like glühwein, never had the chestnuts

They're not really popular over here

Magisch

if you're at one of the winter fairs it's quite cold out

Catija

We were in Munich for New Year's eve... they had this awesome fireworks thing... instead of having a big municipal display, they had this central park you could pay to get into and the residents would set off their own fireworks all around the outside of the park.

Magisch

Year 11pm - 5.00am new years eve its actually legal to set off your own fireworks in all of germany

the rest of the year its not

Catija

This thing, I think: pubclub.com/events/new-years-eve/…

Tinkeringbell

@Catija Sounds cool!

Catija

3:21 PM

It was a lot of fun.

Tinkeringbell

@Magisch 11? We're lucky :P we can start at 6pm. Probably so the kids that go to bed early still can see some ;)

Not that anyone minds, as soon as fireworks are being sold, people are firing!

Magisch

last year someone almost set my apartment on fire

bad move having the window open, but still

Tinkeringbell

I get that you're not a fan? ;)

Magisch

I don't like celebrations. I like it less when some kids decide lets throw a firework in the open window

mostly because fixing hardwood floor is not free and it scared me out of my chair

Catija

Ouch. It's one thing if it comes in by accident, but to throw it in intentionally... that's not OK.

Magisch

3:26 PM

was one of these:

thankfully it didn't land on me

It's nowhere near as menacing as it looks though. It's not a stick of dynamite or anywhere close to the power of a stick of dynamite

Mgetz

@Magisch Around here fireworks that leave the ground require a license to use. Not having the license can lead to felony charges for reckless endangerment and negligence

Kevin B

around here there's no regulation outside city limits that i know of

Mgetz

it's a lot drier here than most places and we have a lot of burnable brush

so fireworks + flammable landscape == death

Tinkeringbell

3:57 PM

They're limiting them more and more over here too, because some people can't handle responsibility and hurt others :(

Journeyman Geek

Its totally banned here

as are fake fireworks

(electronic noise makers)

rene

Bah, transcript full of food and firecrackers

Now I'm hungry and want to destroy something ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene Make stamppot :P

rene

4:12 PM

@canon he is active in chat. I would ask him. He is okay.

@Tinkeringbell yes, boerenkool is on the menu tonight

that will help

poor potatoes ...

Tinkeringbell

@rene With vegetarian rookworst? XD

I just saw the advertisement for that today. It doesn't look any different, wonder how it tastes

Journeyman Geek

Oo

rene

@Tinkeringbell no, with a Veluwse Fijne Rookworst from the appie ...

@Tinkeringbell tastes like meat I guess

Isn't that the point of making such products?

Tinkeringbell

@rene Nice!

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ThiefMaster

4:31 PM

@JourneymanGeek that sounds super lame compared to the real deal

Tinkeringbell

@rene Ehh. I've had some meat replacements that IMO didn't taste like meat at all :(

rene

Hmmm, I really didn't venture into that area. Maybe I should.

Tinkeringbell

@rene I highly recommend against it, but I've almost never had proper vegetarian food ;)

rene

But animal welfare, climate change, guilty as charged ....

Tinkeringbell

animal welfare perhaps, depending on where you get your meat.

Somewhat

4:43 PM

vegetable welfare...

Tinkeringbell

climate change meh. Let the big companies that do a lot of the polluting make a change

@Somewhat That too... I mean, who could possibly be cruel enough to murder baby carrots!

Somewhat

well, maybe "warfare" instead of "welfare"..

Dukeling

5:08 PM

I knew it was going to get heavily downvoted, and get mostly replies from people who didn't seem to have read what I wrote, but I just had to post it, didn't I?

Tinkeringbell

@Dukeling Huh? Who, What, Where?

Somewhat

@Tinkeringbell the "it" is linked (yeah, I almost overlooked it too)

Tinkeringbell

@Somewhat It wasn't when I last looked XD

I'm reading it now :)

Somewhat

oh...

(´-﹏-`；)

Dukeling

The only way I can interpret downvotes on that answer is "no, it's perfectly fine to intentionally offend other people, as long as those people aren't in the majority".

Somewhat

5:18 PM

Well, there's a reason why I don't like reading HNQ from Philosophy.SE...

Tinkeringbell

@Dukeling Perhaps that first comment is right though, and people really feel you're leaving too many loopholes. I wrote an answer to the CoC feedback post arguing about the same.

Dukeling

When people start leaving their controversial political opinions in the comments, it's probably time to stop replying.

@Tinkeringbell I don't see any more loopholes or subjectivity than there are with the way things currently work.

Tinkeringbell

@Dukeling True.

Somewhat

Well, thank <insert proper name here> the flagger didn't do witch-hunting similar comments/chat messages...

Tinkeringbell

I've had the same argument once... Over here, 'damn' would really be a curse/expletive. I don't dare to say that when my parents can here.

But sadly, language keeps 'evolving' and now things like fuck and damn and whatever are no longer considered as offensive because they've lost their value due to overuse.

Somewhat

5:32 PM

thus 'expletive', not 'profanity'

Tinkeringbell

@Somewhat Depends on who you ask, but damn, goddamn, Jesus, Jeesh, all are considered profanity and using God's name in vain over here.

Somewhat

Being someone who's also grown up in a religious family, I understand...

Dukeling

If it were a "worse" word used in the same way, or if it was the same word directed at someone, I reckon everyone would've instead agreed that it's offensive.

Don't ask me when "damn" became an acceptable word in professional discourse.

Tinkeringbell

@Dukeling Plenty of people say that over here when they're mad. Even in the context of a professional work environment :/

But yeah, there's stuff that's one flag deletable, and I'm amazed 'damn' isn't on that list.

Somewhat

The SE version of Seven Dirty Words?

Tinkeringbell

5:46 PM

@Somewhat Yeah, I thought there was also some profanity in there... Must've been wrong then

Dukeling

@Tinkeringbell

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There is also some profanity in a spoiler blockquote in the seven dirty words post.

Tinkeringbell

6:07 PM

On second thought... there's a lot of words that have the possibility to be offensive. I guess 'damn it' is a lot less offensive to people than 'damn you' and if I start translating Dutch profanity, I might get away with calling people pancakes or jellyfish :P

rene

You make a food-fight out of it

Somewhat

I'll have panekuk for tonight's dream then... Night!

Tinkeringbell

6:29 PM

@Somewhat Sleep well :)

(Put hagelslag on your pannenkoek ;) )

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