@JourneymanGeek when I went to Singapore years back I had locals advising me time and time again not to use any drugs. They kept insisting, even though I told them I don't do drugs, nor do I drink. I guess they didn't really believe that from a Dutch guy :D
Almost as seriously as your national day :p I left some weeks (I think) before the national day, but ran into "some kind of parade". I went to one of the soldiers on the side of the road and asked them what was going on ... "We're practicing the national day parade" ... that suprised me :D
I don't do any drugs, nor have I ever, and I don't drink alocohol, smoke or even drink coffee regularly. But this is some absurd tier of government overreach
punishing people for taking drugs at all is idiotic. At best you can make a case that the providers should be prosecuted. But prosecuting users does absolutely nothing but spend some tax money on filling jail cells pointlessly.
@Tinkeringbell If I can square off or avoid the annoying part of my job, (which I think I can try to get done in an hour or two) I might be sshing into my linux router and working on it ;)
@Magisch the Welcome Wagon thing is like #MeToo in the sense it has the power to make big changes, that would never occur otherwise. e.g. even if there was a feature request on MSE asking to exclude IPS from HNQ, even with 100000 upvotes, I'm 100% sure it would have been ignored. But one tweet mentions welcoming and poof. Magic.
I find it horrible, but final outcome is fine, so meh.
@Bart oh, well, I wasn't talking seriously there. But since someone already said that, I just wanted to point out again how a single twitter post can do miracles for getting some bad behavior moderated...
a massive amount of people took #MeToo as justification to discount any possible claims as fame seeking and also mob justice. You can bet that this will have the complete opposite of the intended effect
@ArtOfCode this is the message I linked. I think it doesn't require other comments sadly. Keeping things private didn't work, public visibility did immediately.
there you go, @user5389107 . Flagged multiple times. Used the "contact us" link and sent a custom mail asking for its removal or an explanation of why it should stay. Got NO ANSWER.
This whole thing too will have the exact opposite effect then intended. I think a whole lot of people will leave the site disenfranchised or lash out in protest.
Again, I would expect anyone who either a) handled the mail I sent, b) handled the flags to act without needing a public message on chat. Do I really need to make a problem public visible to have any action taken on it? What's next? Public disclosure of security breaches on meta to have them fixed??
flagging the message should have been enough from the start. Contact us was a next step I tried after about... 3 voided flags (maybe still pending somewhere or cancelled without being looked into)
@Derpy No, you don't always need to make a problem public. It's part of an escalation and explanation process. Flags are the first step, and they'll work 99% of the time. Sometimes they won't - that's when you move to asking someone directly. They might say "hey yeah missed that, thank" or they might say "actually not quite, this thing makes it okay".
@Dukeling maybe "if this answer is now obsolete and you are a new user lacking the rep for a bounty, go and ask on Quora" could work too (sorry, currently in @Bart annoyed mode ^_^')
@ArtOfCode trust me that "missing the point" there war pretty hard. Unless you didn't brother to even open the link.
@Derpy So maybe they missed the flag, or were tired and clicked buttons to get things out of the way, or lost their keys, or were ill, or something. You don't know unless you ask.
@ArtOfCode again, very possible. That said, there is a little red, horned little devil-pony on my shoulder that keeps telling me that someone decided that was not tolerable just because of that April post, while before it fell in the "we are all adult here, stop being a crybaby" thing.
If it was okay before the April blog post, it's still okay now. Nothing concrete has changed about how moderators enforce Be Nice/CoC, because it's effectively the same policy - it's just a clarification that makes it easier for us to distinguish what's okay and what's not.
What do you think people that feel accused by what you just said will have as a reaction to this? It won't be "Derpy's right, I should re-examine my own behavior". It'll be "screw these people with agendas ruining my social space, i'll show them!".
oh, well, let's just say two things. If a room really thinks it is fine to insult other users, that is not a community - or at least I wouldn't call it that. It may fit the term "pack of users" but calling it community to me would feel wrong. Clearly, it was a us VS the different one, not a community.
The entire western world is in a massive political swing to the right, in no small part due to the amount of mob justice the left has succumbed to. Have you tuned in the news recently? Guess it wasn't powerful enough to stop a supreme court justice from getting through?
@ShadowWizard metoo isn't flawless either. It's making me afraid of the shitstorm that'll happen to me if something were to ever happen to me and I speak out (even if that involves a non-famous person)
It works right until the left has lost positions of power everywhere as is happening right now on the back of this. The damage this is doing to hard fought social progress is incalculable.
thanks to this crap my town may get a far right mayor in 2020. That'll surely help social progress. Maybe the established parties will pivot even harder to the right to avoid a 25%+ far right presence in parliament, who knows. Years of advancements are going down the drain as we speak and it's upsetting me.
@Tinkeringbell More like, "you're the accuser? you must be doing this to take advantage of the current social climate for yourself." This is what actual victims have to contend with now.
A court of public opinion is important, in so far that it is hopefully where laws are put under scrutiny, revised, made.... A court of public opinion should never concern itself with judging cases they don't have the full details of.
@Magisch on the gripping hand - the real problem is the broader social environment where people feel its ok to do this, and people are afraid to come forward without a mob behind them
I saw plenty of IPS on HNQ. I was one of the people that participated in one of the 3+ upvoted IPS meta threads asking for certain Qs to be excluded from HNQ. I don't disagree with the action. I disagree with how it was taken
and the lack of appreciating community input and the complete lack of respect for community self governance.
Ever since I'm using MacBook and its fullscreen app feature at work, I have this habit of avoiding the top edge of the screen, even on Windows at home...
