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12:51 AM
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5:49 AM
Q: I need someone who is capable of developing an android application

TheBOSSI have an idea of an application suitable for both android and ios platforms which has the potential to become huge. All I am lacking is the technical background and expertise.All I want is to start working on that as soon as possible before someone else has the same idea and they start working o...

6:01 AM
just VTC and move on?
It does deserve the 100 rep penalty
6:28 AM
@Mulliganaceous no it's not spam
@JohnDvorak no penalty for 1 rep users.
@ShadowWizard it is
Off topic questions are common in MSE, no need to get so excited about each and mark as spam. It just cause the spam filters to make more false positives.
That's SO ;p
They're advertising a job position. Also, ^
Its some kid believing he's discovered the best thing since sliced spoo, and is overexcited.
6:31 AM
@JohnDvorak it's not intrusive. No link, no email, nothing.
Just needs closing and downvotes
and maybe a gentle link to the help and tour
@ShadowWizard Do you think that a "free drugs" arrow pointing at a blank wall isn't advertising? ;-)
@JohnDvorak sounds like a high arrow.
It's also pointless
I can see the difference between "We're a multinational company who looks for some code monkeys to fill in the gaps in our teams" and "Hey guys, I have a cool idea for a freeware project, would you like to hop in?". What I don't see is any kind of official policy that says how to treat the latter in the general case - and "the jury is 50/50" doesn't give much of a precedent either.
And the jury has always been 50/50
It's a question of what size hammer is appropriate
Or whether we need paint or a wrecking ball I guess
6:46 AM
If you trap a moth under a layer of paint, the wall gains mass. If you use a wrecking ball, the wall loses mass. Perhaps we need to strike (heh) a balance?
My recommended approach would be to kill the moth and then scrape off the remains
or perhaps trap it in one of those electronic thingies that PETA hates so much.
Also, it's about the intention. What if the moth is innocent and doesn't want to cause harm? What if the moth can do something useful if kept alive and not zapped to death?
Insects are fermions - nothing in the world changes if you exchange any two of them.
Unlike vertebrates, which have internal substates
7:34 AM
hehe, reminded of this:
Oct 15 '15 at 6:55, by Shadow Wizard
@James all you say for the past couple of hours is "sd" so does it mean you're sad? ;)
@ShadowWizard I have reasons for replying sd directly, ask @rene. It's easier for the RMs to move all those messages to the graveyard, including the replies.
@πάνταῥεῖ lol was more like "since all your recent messages are "k", are you OK?" ;)
That of course was a toxic and rude answer. I am fine.
And for some reason they don't move the "k" messages...
@πάνταῥεῖ toxic and rude.... yeah, you're fine. :D
Wait, are you suspended again on SO??? checking
Nope I am in fine state.
7:40 AM
nope. you're all good there too.
@πάνταῥεῖ glad to hear!
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9:34 AM
A: Are job offers spam?

Robert HarveyYes, they are spam. The purpose of Stack Overflow is to get answers to programming questions, not to solicit developers for work. If employers want to do that, they can use Careers for that purpose.

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9:49 AM
^Just to make @Shadow happy ;)
10:03 AM
animuson's answer on Review Update Pattern says theat only posts that are at least 15 minutes old enter first post review queue.
> For first posts and late answers, the post needs to have existed for at least 15 minutes before it becomes eligible.
But it is quite easy to find posts which are in the review queue about one minute after being created. Is somewhere on meta mentioned when this was changed?
@πάνταῥεῖ lol
@Martin example?
Mathematics: here is a post where timestamp for the review is 08:15:51 and the post was made 08:14:39.
And it was in fact the very first post I have tried after looking in the history of the first posts review queue.
@Martin hmm.. so maybe only on SO it's 15 minutes.
(due to Triage, for example, to let the Triage work its magic first)
10:39 AM
@Martin I would leave a comment under his answer. In general Animuson is responsive to comments that ask for clarification.
Thanks, I'll try that.
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12:11 PM
meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313325/plateau-как-перевести Spam or really lost user
@JourneymanGeek Is there a russian langauge stack? It looks to me like they're trying to find a word to express the parts in russian?
I don't even know ._.
I'm going with lost user
There's ru.so, but that's programming-only
12:27 PM
@Tinkeringbell two, actually Русский язык Russian Language
12:44 PM
@Mithrandir Nice :) Well, I hope they find it ;)
1:03 PM
I think they have an account on the latter
Which doesn't mean a good(?) thing whoops, OP has 1.9k rep there...
and has posted the question on there
Which actually.... means he can't be qbanned
@SomewhatMemorableName That comment there though....
1:27 PM
@JourneymanGeek wrong room, or?
same faces ;p
wrong room
1:55 PM
I don't really like that recent habit of flagging off topic questions on MSE as spam.
Not that I'm fond of those, they surely should be nuked out of orbit, but not like that.
2:07 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog don't
You'll end up bogging down the weight of the "manually reported {}" reason.
@ShadowWizard What should one do, then?
Just downvote / closevote / deletevote
@ShadowWizard oh I thought it was actually possibly spam
I don't actually want to spam unspam spam.
2:31 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog vote to close as off topic, downvote, if over 20k vote to delete. That's it.
*spamvote unspam
Luckily the recent one was marked as spam by less than 6 users so no penalty, but still showing the spam banner.
@Mithrandir in any appropriate order
@ShadowWizard partially my fault
But I kinda assumed it was spam rather than... doing it to making it go away
@JourneymanGeek just because it's in different language?
@ShadowWizard and seemed random and incoherent, as far as context went
I probably should have google translated it. My mistake
2:33 PM
Of course, anything in foreign language you don't understand appear "random and incoherent".
Let's see...
השועל החום קפץ מעל הגדר הלבנה.
הכלב הגיע ונבח על השועל.
השועל החום ברח.
What do you think it is? @Journeyman ^
Well it is random.... but not really incoherent. :D
Anyway, all good, I see your point and I admit being overzealous with spam myself sometimes. :)
true, and If I saw that on MSE, with random seeming words...
I'd be confused
@ShadowWizard ....I admit I've never seen that translated
But ya
I jumped the gun there
@Mithrandir that's not the "official" brown fox text, I just made it up. :)
2:37 PM
that would explain it :P
Too lazy to look for the actual text.
...pun intended?
looking for pun
was that quick?
Fox? Yes
@FOX is super quick
@JNat sorry, no cross site spammers lately... you nuked them all! :D
Yes!! stackexchange.com/users/4729968/rafly-ilham?tab=accounts is the root for seeing that, I guess.
@JNat you see all the posts there, or do you need to go site by site? ^
@ShadowWizard not that many accounts.
I wonder if it's worth starting a feature request for sending auto flag to CM only when a post is deleted as spam (6 spam flags) and the user has accounts with deleted posts on other sites as well. Flag like "Potential cross site spammer".
Probably not, but still would be nice.
Well we've suggested a few ways to deal with that sorta thing - but usually we just have a word across sites or let smokey deal with it
Yeah, spam is dealt with nicely.
2:46 PM
well, enough that they've actually tried to evolve new ways
like developer story spam and profile spam
Profile spam isn't new, it exists since day 1. No?
Dunno about developer story though.
and, uh, new tools are being developed to detect those too
SU got hit by a bunch at once, same pattern
@Mithrandir there's no good way to get rid of them
3:35 PM
@JourneymanGeek sad to see my country spamming... (yeah, I stalked the profile)
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6:13 PM
makes sense
@Shadow Out of curiosity, what's the motive behind changing older-style duplicate closures to newer-style ones?
I don't believe it has that much marginal benefit. The reopening and editing bumps those posts, and wipes out the original close voters and close date from the notice shown on the question.
@OptimusPrime From this I can see your email address - are you sure you want that?
how does multiple duplicate targets affect non-logged-in user redirection?
@Mithrandir Could be using a corporate email instead of consumer Gmail
@SomewhatMemorableName No redirect takes place
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no
Not afraid of spamming
6:27 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog cleanup.
I don't look for those, just do it for those I stumble upon.
@ShadowWizard Is it necessary?
Also, this is still pending:
Q: Two kinds of Duplicate closing are too confusing - suggestion for a possible fix

Shadow WizardQuestion closed as duplicate before Changes to "close as duplicate" (part deux): Question closed as duplicate after Changes to "close as duplicate" (part deux): This is confusing. This is two different designs for the same thing. To sum the changes up: Different banner on top of t...

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no, but I don't like the idea of having the "Possible duplicate" text as part of the question body, it's not elegant, can be easily abused, etc.
IMO such action isn't different from editing to fix grammar, for example. It makes the question be in better shape.
@OptimusPrime so it's pointless to email you, you'll never really read the email.
Also, only 48 spam is impressive.
(with your email out in the open like that.)
Going to make dinner, cya!
@ShadowWizard yeah. in the past, when I was in school, I gave my email id everywhere, eg subscribe to newsletters, sign up on forums etc and when the inbox count goes high, I simply create a new mail account.
I tend to only read the previews and only open the full body if it's important... thus many of them are still considered unread...
@SomewhatMemorableName I check only the sender name
6:48 PM
here's an email I'm using from 2010 and still it received ~680 mails and no spam
Who would dare spam Optimus Prime?
@OptimusPrime Oh, I'm not afraid. What's the address?
27 mins ago, by Optimus Prime
@Mithrandir [email protected]
Since you added title SPAM!, google give it high priority. lol
@OptimusPrime Nice! :D
7:24 PM
quick question. bit torrent or utorrent?
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ you
@OptimusPrime share @M.A.R's email as revenge!!! :D
@OptimusPrime ByteTorrent
Time for dessert, brb
@ShadowWizard where's ur wife
@OptimusPrime talking with a woman who will organize all our stuff in the new house
you haven't been around for long time... better delete or move this ^ @Optimus
@rene @Magisch can you move it? ^^
In general if there's a couple the one who's food is best should cook. That's nothing to do with gender.
7:34 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ Huh? But how will the person that's not good at cooking then improve their skills?
When you have guests for dinner ;-)
Also, cooking is only fun if you have someone to cook with. ;)
@ShadowWizard what? again policy changed?
I don't think it really changed but we are more eager to not allow such stuff to linger around in comments and chat transcripts
7:38 PM
@πάνταῥεῖ that, or the one who have time. :)
@rene ah ok
Actually, neither of us cook.
And somehow it's working fine. :D
Pizza deli all the time?
all food is consumed raw. They don't cook
@πάνταῥεῖ sometimes! ;)
But generally non cooked food. :)
7:39 PM
@Shadow Meal delivery service, e.g. Blue Apron?
:7135270 no no.. I'm not that rich. :)
For dinner it's bread with cheese/hummus/etc.
Note : Tried the utorrent web, which makes our browser act as a torrent client by starting a server at port 19575 on localhost. Don't try it. When you add a torrent from magnet link, the browser crashes
For lunch we take food from her/my parents during the weekend, and if there isn't enough, we buy something out during work.
@OptimusPrime why not the utorrent client?
I use it for years, looks fine.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ?
7:45 PM
For a second I was getting connection errors and message sending errors
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog oh, it happens quite often. Reload always "fix" it for me.
@ShadowWizard when visited utorrent site, saw something new and I want to give it a try
@OptimusPrime oh. I'm always suspicious towards new things like that.
7:47 PM
But this have some features like you can play the file while it is downloading. In an html5 player (I guess)
Even my ancient eMule could do that, like 15 years ago. ;)
(not in browser, play a vid while it's downloading, but still...)
So I'm totally not impressed by that. :D
Is eMule still alive?
I had to switch when all servers died and I was too lazy to look deeply for new list.
in utorrent client, some videos doesn't support opening before download completion.
Yeah, saw it. Might switch back, don't like uTorrent very much.
This is the ui (in chrome)
@OptimusPrime still not impressed.... can't see a reason for web client.
hehe, burnination season started? @rene @Sonic ;)
7:55 PM
well, no, but KDE and cocao were not really needed. And I missed a stats y'day
@ShadowWizard Yep, gotta go fast
@SmokeDetector why
@SmokeDetector ignore mod edited meaning they didn't deem it spam.
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9:22 PM
Can someone please vote to close meta.stackexchange.com/questions/249804/… as a duplicate of meta.stackexchange.com/questions/126470? I think both this target and the one I proposed earlier are relevant, but I can only select one target, and no one has the right Chaos Emerald for the question's tags. So another dupe vote is needed for both targets to show.
(cc @rene since you reviewed as "Leave Open", but I think this target is more relevant)
Tkinter Window (?) meta.stackexchange.com/questions/313345/… @rene @Bart @JourneymanGeek @TravisJ
10:42 PM
@ShadowWizard I use a web client on Linux so I can offload downloading to a headless box
11:24 PM
@JourneymanGeek nice

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