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Princess Luna

15:00

@ShadowWizard :D

@Tinkeringbell you summoned me? :3

Tinkeringbell

@PrincessLuna Don't blame me! that was @ShadowWizard ;)

Princess Luna

@Tinkeringbell Sure it was ;)

@Tinkeringbell Still to late :> :p

Tinkeringbell

I usually don't pick fights with other SE users until I know they deserve it XD

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11549/… (@Shadow @rene)

rene

done

Princess Luna

15:04

@Tinkeringbell Lol

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

And I thought Shadow was as fast as me

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/21020/… (@rene)

@Shadow Are you able to use Chaos Control on it, since you voted to close it back in 2012?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link: Correct address format by charlie137 on bitcoin.SE

SmokeDetector

15:27

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Misleading link: Correct address format by charlie137 on bitcoin.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in link text in answer, potentially bad ns for domain in answer: I am replacing my countertop and sink. How do I choose a new sink that fits my existing plumbing? by Charles Kimotho on diy.SE

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: Is there any way to get free internet on airtel? by Rahul Meena on security.SE

Derpy

15:48

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog chaos control just moves things around. At least, please switch to Chaos Spear. Or Chaos Blast, if you really want to quote the game that should never have be.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

16:05

@Derpy Closing as duplicate causes the question to serve as a pointer, in effect moving around people who navigate to it. Thus, it's a correct use of the word.

Princess Luna

16:17

@Derpy Still needs more rainboom :>

Undo

16:35

@Shog9 Got a second? Have something to ask your feedback on

Shog9

@Undo I have approximately 20 minutes

Undo

@Shog9 We built a Comment Evaluator 5001. comments.dvtk.me. We (me and @thesecretmaster) plan to try to reproduce the staff-only project with moderators & regulars, making all the data public-ish

With feedback-ers anonymized so we don't skew data that way

Shog9

@Undo define "all the data"

Undo

Everything except the link between our user records and real people

(Anonymity for people grading comments)

Shog9

so, "top-10 worst comments on Stack Overflow" is gonna be a thing...

@rene you around? Sounds like something you may have Opinions on...

Undo

16:39

Taken from a batch of posts spread throughout February. Digging out a top-10 list would require downloading & parsing a bunch of CSV files, it's deliberately a little bit hard.

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog can't know for sure now, but I think we can re-cast expired votes, yes.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@ShadowWizard I believe that votes cast prior to the change allowing expired votes to be recast, can't be recast.

Shog9

@Undo so what's the intended output?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

There was a bug report where someone tried to recast a vote in 2016, but got an error message stating that they cast a close vote back in 2011

Shadow Wizard

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog hmm... if you can find another old expired vote that I cast, I'll check.

Undo

16:41

@Shog9 A few things: (1) Public data for people to play with to help quantify the problem, (2) I'd like to see how well results from SO moderators, network moderators, and non-moderators correlate, (3) maybe we find some comments to cleanup.

Mostly, linking to comments on-site is a necessary evil b/c CC-BY-SA

Shadow Wizard

People won't like their comments to appear there. @Undo

Kevin B

some might

Shadow Wizard

You can't anonymize live comments, anyone can just Google it to find the author in an instant.

(that's what I did with the recent blog post prior to it being fixed.)

Undo

We did do some stuff to hide it:

Shog9

in a certain sense, this doesn't matter; anyone can go spin up a SEDE query and find comments to flag now... and lots of folks have done / are doing exactly that

Undo

16:43

Shog9

in another sense... gotta be careful that you're not designing a tool that encourages witch-hunting

Shadow Wizard

@Shog9 sure, but they don't go and publish what they flag in a public place.

Shog9

@ShadowWizard I mean... lots of you did, in this room, a few weeks back...

Undo

Note that users are masked (to keep a bit of privacy, and to avoid discrimination based on not-comment-next) and that link at the bottom goes to the comments but invalidates your review. So it's possible to link, but inconvenient.

I think this is about as good as any project can get while fulfilling attribution requirements.

Also, we tried to match SE's implementation as much as possible just in case the results are interesting between staff and non-staff

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Undo Right click and copy the link, and then navigate to it in a new tab.

Shadow Wizard

16:45

@Shog9 here we only hunt spammers and trolls, not people who post comments which only might upset other people a bit.

Undo

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Doesn't work

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Undo What does it check for?

You could also mouse over the link and memorize the comment ID

Somewhat Memorable Name

@ShadowWizard some us did, by sharing the SEDE link

Undo

Link goes to another page that maps a CE5001 ID to a native SE ID

Shog9

Anyway, that's my abstract concern. The proper solution is, as always, to be public about what you're doing: make a meta post (on MSO if you're pulling SO data) and describe your goals, what data is going to be exposed, etc. and be responsive to feedback.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

16:46

@Undo Open up a new private window and navigate to the copied link from there

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName that's still not outright posting the comments and pointing on them as being bad.

thesecretmaster

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Not gonna work if you're not logged in

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@thesecretmaster Use an alternative account

Shog9

My concrete concern here is... Julia's fixing to email a bunch of mods & ask them to participate in evaluating comments using Punyon's tool. It'd really kinda suck if folks didn't participate because they'd already kinda burned out on evaluating comments via your thing, @Undo...

Undo

Yeah, wondered about that. What's your timeline?

Somewhat Memorable Name

16:48

@ShadowWizard and a few of them did paste the permalink to the offending comments here, essentially one-boxing them. I believe they have been moved/purged after that.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

May 7 at 12:14, by Catija

Please refrain from posting flaggable comment content in here, either in plain text or one-boxes. Links are fine but we don't need a permanent record of the not nice stuff we find in comments long after they've been deleted.

Undo

What would also really suck is if we gathered a bunch of data and it never got released, or was released in a near-unusable way because of privacy issues

Shadow Wizard

@SomewhatMemorableName oh. Well, for the really nasty comments I agree, but for borderline cases... it's not really nice. Though still.... posting it here is whole different league than posting in official blog post or on some external website that might be viewed by many people.

Shog9

@Undo no idea; I've pinged Julia regarding this

Undo

Hypothetically, it could be arranged to send Julia whatever data we gather.

Shog9

16:52

That might be hard to integrate

Shadow Wizard

plot twist: @Undo trying to get hired to SE

;)

Undo

Yeah, would require some coordination.

Somewhat Memorable Name

Considering non-mods won't be invited... I'm tempted to start the task, but I believe it'll just make me angry & sad just like reviewing Triage/H&I/VLQ queue...

Shog9

@Undo My advice here would be: start with a meta discussion. Try to define your goals (that is, what data you want to end up with) as clearly as possible. Solicit concerns from the community. And then go from there.

The tooling itself... is not a big deal. It's what happens to the data that makes or breaks something like this.

Undo

Another aspect of this: SE kinda has a problem in some people's eyes. A non-SE project might be the only way to turn them.

rene

16:54

@Shog9 I'm now

Magisch

@Undo Considering it says mods and regulars, any chance for a particular cactus to partake?

Undo

It's in a testing phase right now; isn't on a final domain and data will probably be thrown away between now and whenever it starts for real

Magisch

I mean after the dust settles

Somewhat Memorable Name

I can't even consider myself SO regular either, after giving up answering & moderating the content...

Meta SO lurker regular though...

Shog9

honestly... I doubt it. Folks aren't on our case because we have a history of playing fast and loose with data analysis; they're on our case because
1. we've promised a lot of things we haven't delivered on
2. we've ignored a lot of problems that directly affect people using the sites
3. some people are going to be resistant to any suggestion that they can't just write whatever they want without repercussions

#3 is unsolvable.

#s 1&2 are our own damn fault and are solvable but not without actually, y'know, doing the long and arduous work

out of time for discussion; meetings abound

Undo

17:00

Thanks :)

rene

@Undo I'm going to repeat what I have said earlier in this room: I don't mind that people classify comments. I do mind if the comment and the classification are published enabling it to be tracked back to an individual. That was and is my main concern with any of those experiments.

Undo

@rene CC-BY-SA essentially makes it impossible to publish usable data without a link back

Best I can do is make it inconvenient; I can't make it impossible

Stuff like 'not having a page of review results on the Internet' and 'you'd have to load the CSVs into SQL and write queries to get data' is the best I can do

SE is also going to have a rough time doing this without linking to comments, at least in the tool. They may choose to only publish data in aggregate, but that loses any utility for independent research.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/312540/…

rene

@Undo Yes, we have seen the results of that

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Voluntarily deleted

Magisch

17:06

Gotta remember comments are also cc-by-sa

So attribution is actually required for any published dataset

Somewhat Memorable Name

Done 5 threads for experiment. I don't know what to expect as a participant, since I really have to use one of the many magic 8 balls to guesstimate the context, like whether it's posted on Q or A. It's easy enough to know OP's comment though...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Undo Nothing happens when I click any link on a review page there

Undo

screenshot?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Undo Never mind; nothing happens when I click "Submit"

Somewhat Memorable Name

Let's say... browser-dependent bug...

rene

17:13

I've done a few as well.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Undo Names are given away

Somewhat Memorable Name

So... I'm really afraid/confused if I can continue with such bias, assuming which comment is OP, or is it on Q/A, or is the question heavily downvoted/closed, or...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

In the above screenshot, I can tell that "userO" is tripleee.

Undo

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Probably fixable, good catch

Also carries a weight of "what happens when you modify CC-By-SA content", but we'll see

rene

Just let me try this on all of you: suppose one of your own comments is classified by 100% of the respondents as I feel angry or upset. How would you respond/what would you do? Now imagine it is featured in a twitter post. What do you do now?

Anne Daunted

17:19

I would start to cry

Somewhat Memorable Name

uhh.. I will feel angry too?

rene

@AnneDaunted That is a valid response, certainly

@SomewhatMemorableName right

Andy

@rene Resist the urge to ban everyone and go out in a blaze of glory?

Not the right response?

Honest answer: Be surprised, then delete my own comment.

rene

All options are open @Andy

πάντα ῥεῖ

Grmbl!

Somewhat Memorable Name

17:21

OTOH, also preparing the popcorn because it's on Twitter

rene

@Andy the comment has 20 upvotes. Still delete?

Undo

It will be very hard to analyze what actually happens on the site without being allowed to use site data.

Somewhat Memorable Name

@rene Looks like a certain user's comments on Meta SO...

Undo

If welcoming-ness is that important, we should be able to handle a bit of pain in the short term.

rene

@SomewhatMemorableName I can't help I'm awesome ... on MSO that is ...

Andy

17:23

@rene In that case, probably. I imagine that my upvoted comments are more snarky than my unupvoted ones. I don't track my comment upvotes though, so that's just a guess.

Something Bad Happened

nice data project

Andy

@SomewhatMemorableName Have at it. I'm all for being called out. If I did something wrong, let me know.

rene

@Undo sure, and I don't mind looking at my own crap and trying to learn from it. It becomes much different if a whole bunch of other strangers value my contributions out of their main context and disqualifies them while I can't give feedback or interact or clearify.

and I don't think I'm the worst commenter, still ...

Somewhat Memorable Name

@Andy AFAIK, the user has never made a message in this chat room, so all of you are clear...

Alternative project: do this experiment with comments on MSO :O

rene

deletes all comments

I learned yesterday that is limited to 30 per day

so if I start now ... give me 6 to 8 weeks ...

Julia Silge

17:36

@Undo We don't have a firm release date on fielding the classification task more broadly, but plan to ask for volunteers from moderators, the list of folks who voiced interest in contributing via Jay's recent blog post, and probably a random selection from the research email list we have. I would expect probably... in the next month or so?

Anne Daunted

How can you contribute? Writing unwelcoming comments?

Taryn

@rene truncate table comments

3

Somewhat Memorable Name

Problem solved! Anyone can sleep now!

rene

@Taryn again? ;)

Taryn

ALWAYS

rene

17:38

:D

Taryn

It'd solve ALL THE PROBLEMS

rene

@JuliaSilge that's 6 to 8 weeks ...

Catija

Except for the problems caused by not having comments any more?

Andy

@Catija That's what Answers are for.

Catija

Writing comments?

Andy

17:41

Sorry, the sarcasm tag didn't make it through the internet.

</sarcasm>

Julia Silge

@rene It's MUCH shorter. And we have a Trello board! :)

rene

Ohhh fancy ... ;)

Catija

@Andy Oh, it did. I was being obtuse.

Julia Silge

We have not ruled out sharing this kind of data publicly (comment IDs + ratings + rater IDs) but it's complicated, as is obvious from just the interactions right here. I think a lot about user privacy, the value of open data, etc etc etc and it is almost never simple.

Somewhat Memorable Name

blame GDPR

(I'm probably drunk, I better sleep now...)

rene

17:54

@JuliaSilge maybe the goal needs to be reversed. Which comments are considered welcoming, friendly, make people happy. Those you can publish. Comments that don't have common characteristics found in the happy ones are the bad apples.

those bad examples can then be anonymized

Shog9

@rene we kinda did that once

Anne Daunted

I agree that it's probably better to show how to do it.

Shog9

second list here

they're... mostly "thanks"

rene

yeah, that is not helpful either

I don't mind that users would recognize their style of commenting.

Anne Daunted

@Shog9 But what if you restrict it to useful comments (i. e. comments that meet the requirements)?

Shog9

17:58

@AnneDaunted how do you do that?

add a second axis for evaluation?

Anne Daunted

@Shog9 Restrict the examples to them

Shog9

@AnneDaunted so, we have to curate the inputs?

...for some reason, The GIMP defaults to a font named "Sans", which has serifs

Tinkeringbell

I really don't agree with how those comments are classified.

Shog9

sorry, Shog's Comment Classifier 5002 only accepts classifications from one person.

3

Tinkeringbell

That would seriously fix a lot of problems though. One person makes for a very consistent standard :)

Shog9

18:11

Yes. My histogram is immaculate

rene

While I do see the benefit of having that classification the useful / useless now really depends on context, meaning you need the post with it I think.

Shog9

Yeah, I'm kinda joking here. I don't think this is feasible.

I'm also... Kinda philosophically opposed to the idea of keeping useful-but-offputting stuff around.

That's why we have editing. Keep the useful, remove the offputting.

and... that's why you don't put critical information in uneditable comments

Tinkeringbell

So if I see a comment where the first part is off-putting... and the second part useful, very useful, like a request for clarification... is that why moderators can edit other people's comments?

Andy

I don't know Workplace's commenting culture well, but they hide a bunch of stuff by default behind the "Show X more comments", right? Does that cut down on the snark?

Shog9

well, it cuts down on the initially visible snark

They delete a shocking number of comments though

actually running a bit of an experiment there right now:

38

Q: Experiment running: a comment by any other name

Last year, Robert Cartaino relayed this one weird trick to fix comments: I also flag dozens-to-hundreds of posts daily simply to remove misplaced answers and other minutia from comments which simply don't belong there. It's very time consuming, and largely ineffective. But it never stops...

Andy

18:16

Oooh. I'll go read that.

Shog9

(the title is a reference to shakespeare's romeo and juliet, where as you'll recall the titular characters kill themselves by inhaling comments)

Catija

Lots of people end up dead in that play.

John Dvorak

Just like all across SE if the new code of conduct comes through

Catija

The code of conduct isn't going to kill people... just a lot of comments.

Kevin B

?

John Dvorak

18:22

kill, suspend. Same thing.

Kevin B

i mean... people will be annoyed by it, but most will remain and just continue like nothing happened.

Martin James

I'm thinking of running a survey of my own, on Sunday, classifying questions. maybe:

No-effort homework dump
No-effort requirement dump
Contrived, ridiculous code from h/w or tutorial site
'Time limit exceeded'
Pan-Galactic Gargle Duplicate
Basic language syntax, easily find on tutorial sites or textbooks
No debugging attempt at all described.
'Is is possible...'
'How can I'
Bad formatting /indentation
Won't compile because transcribed incorrectly from printed material
Error-message self-explanatory

Shog9

I've done that exercise. It is super depressing.

Catija

Very few people get suspended just for comments in my experience... and it takes a lot of ignoring comment deletions and warnings to get there.

John Dvorak

... and yet we're supposed to be all cheerful to newcomers ... at gunpoint...

Kevin B

18:24

I doubt there will even be more suspensions, considering that requires mod intervention and we have a limited number of mods

Shog9

I mean... I wouldn't be.

Undo

@JuliaSilge Great! I really don't want to preempt your efforts; I'm mostly concerned about making sure some form of useful data is available. Hypothetically, how feasible is some form of data sharing? I would be completely open to adjusting our methodology and preparing data in a useful form for you to import.

John Dvorak

It's far too easy to ignore comment deletions. You get no notification about your deleted comments. Or any indication they ever existed, I think.

Kevin B

more flags? maybe, but that'll just slow down the processing of all flags.

Undo

@Undo The concern about burning people out early is a big one; totally understand why it'd make you nervous.

Shog9

18:26

Look... I've said this here before, but... It's really easy to get yourself into a groove where you spend a lot of time looking at the worst stuff on SO. And the average isn't all that good, so... This starts to really mess with your head. It did mine at least. After a while, I was looking favorably at questions where the title was free of typos. That was the high bar. I had to just stop visiting SO for a while.

That's why review has per-day limits. It's just super unhealthy to see that stuff in quantity.

John Dvorak

So, how do I find the questions actually worth looking at?

Shog9

my favorite approach is the 10K tools

but, you can also go back a week and start filtering by score, views

Julia Silge

@Undo Here's what I said earlier about data sharing: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/7095647#7095647

Catija

@JohnDvorak And maybe that's a change that needs to happen somehow... I'm not sure how... but if people aren't aware of comment deletions (and I'm not saying they should be indicated in a granulated way - for every comment deleted) but sort of like flag warnings...

> Several of your recent comments were deleted as Rude/Abusive. Please review them here before commenting...

Shog9

stackoverflow.com/…..

Tweak as needed

Julia Silge

18:28

@Undo I think it's a complicated issue, and we (internal SE folks) and the community at large have not yet landed on the right call about making data like this available.

John Dvorak

The idea of flag warnings is to point you to a list of flags, so that you can learn from specific cases. It's borderline useless without those specific cases

Catija

Well, they'll see examples of what was considered rude enough to be deleted as r/a... as opposed to just deleted as NLN...

And if they have questions, they can ask about it on meta.

Kevin B

if a comment is flagged as r/a and it's not r/a, but is nln, does the flag get changed to dictate that, or just deleted and validated

John Dvorak

That would be useful. I expect a lot of new meta posts once the list goes live.

Catija

I don't think any mod wants to suspend a user for comments unless they're blatantly horrible but the tooling for mods is such that, often, we don't even see those comments when they're blatantly horrid.

@KevinB Depends on the mod. I can decline the flag and then delete the comment anyway, yes. But it requires actually noticing what the flagging reason was... it's easy for mods to miss this when they're going through dozens/hundreds/thousands of comment flags... I've talked about it on MSO...

Undo

18:32

@JuliaSilge It's at the intersection of a bunch of super hard problems - you've got CC licensing issues, statistical significance, and concerns about what happens when you do identify comments (like the license requires). Not easy.

Catija

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A: Can we do more than just delete rude comments?

I'm going to preface this answer a bit with some information about myself: I'm not a SO user. I'm a moderator on two sites including Interpersonal Skills which, in the time it's existed until now (~9 months), has had over 15K comments deleted. This is nothing on SO scale but I think I know a bi...

John Dvorak

I believe the biggest worry is new moderators, blindly following the code of conduct without regard for what's useful for the community. Why should the CoC encourage more suspensions than actually should be done?

canon

I'd love a compound feedback mechanism which would allow you to optionally specify multiple qualities/deficiencies in a post, e.g.: "shows no research", "missing critical information", "no MCVE", "unintelligible mess" (joking), etc... and show that to the OP. No exposition from the voter... just bullet points.

Shog9

@JohnDvorak you know the existing moderators are pretty free with comment deletions and suspensions, right?

Taryn

@Catija I already mentioned what we can do

55 mins ago, by Taryn

@rene truncate table comments

:)

Undo

18:33

@JohnDvorak This goes back to a previous minirant:

23 hours ago, by Undo

Are our policies wrong, or are we failing to enforce the policies?

Catija

@JohnDvorak The CoC doesn't actually encourage suspensions.

Shog9

Can we just listen to Taryn's solution already? When has she ever steered us wrong before?

canon

truncate doesn't stop new comments...

Shog9

so we run it weekly...

John Dvorak

@Catija Hm... then why is the community so worried they'll now happen?

Undo

18:34

I already feel perfectly fine suspending someone after one nasty comment - doesn't need a policy change; I already know CMs will back me up on that decision.

Catija

@JohnDvorak I'm still trying to figure that out... why are you worried?

Shog9

@JohnDvorak that's an excellent question!

rene

we have already truncated that table three times: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/…

Shog9

not enough

Undo

If I'm not being completely stupid. Moderators' ability to suspend people for nasty comments is unrestricted.

Taryn

18:35

@Shog9 hourly

Shog9

I'll defer to your expertise on the matter

Catija

Absolutely... a bad enough comment will get an immediate suspension... a bad enough anything will get that... but snark doesn't usually cross that line.

Undo

Usually.

Shog9

@JohnDvorak here's my take: this stuff is traditionally very opaque. Folks are maybe dimly aware that suspensions are a thing (although I'd suspect even that knowledge is rather limited), but have no idea what sort of stuff leads to them.

John Dvorak

@Catija I read the CoC as proposing a zero-tolerance policy for unwelcome comments - and many share that reading with me. I'm glad it isn't intended - but a rewording would be welcome in that case.

Catija

18:36

@JohnDvorak Yeah... zero tolerance for leaving them around on the site for people to read...

John Dvorak

That's not what I meant...

Shog9

So you read a CoC that says, "bad comments == suspension" and you immediately start having doubts: "uh... how bad? how many? Is 1 comment on a bad day enough to get suspended? 5? 10? If I post 15 over the course of a year, do they delete my account?"

Undo

'zero tolerance' is often associated with school bullying policies. Kinda has a bad history.

Shog9

I'm actually completely unaware of that

John Dvorak

@Undo all the more reason people hate the CoC

Shog9

18:37

I associated it with weed on school grounds. Which also has a bad history.

Undo

@Shog9 Really? Ever read one of those /r/AskReddit threads about school stories?

Shog9

@Undo no

I'm old

5

Catija

Yeah, I tend to equate it with drugs/guns on school/workplace campuses.

Shog9

you kids & your reddits and bullying

Undo

Always a story about someone getting bullied and someone fighting back, both get suspensions for fighting.

Shog9

18:38

back in my day, folks just talked about how they were gonna put on trenchcoats & show them all

Undo

I've seen it. Happens all the time; administrators take the easy road of not rendering judgement beyond "yeah you were fighting"

Shog9

ah, yeah... That's tricky

we have examples of that on SO of course

John Dvorak

really? shudders

Undo

Whenever someone says "zero tolerance", I (and probably others) hear "we'll just suspend people without using our brains"

canon

@Shog9 create trigger discard_comments on dbo.Comments instead of insert as print 'comment > /dev/null';

Undo

18:40

Now, I know that won't happen with the current mod crew. Most folks don't.

Shog9

sure. One of the first things I recall after being hired was having to contact two users who were perpetually getting into it over edits, and telling them both to knock it off

one went on to become a moderator

so... YMMV?

Undo

probably. Just a heads up that 'zero tolerance' can have weird connotations. Especially around younger nerd-type folks.

Shog9

a more visible example would probably be that thing with, uh, sorceress-somethingorother that blew up on meta a few years back and continues to get griped about on Twitter regularly

canon

@Undo zero-tolerance scoring pens?

Mithrandir

@Undo FTR this younger nerd-type has never heard of that

Taryn

18:43

@Shog9 can I star that 10 more times ;)

Undo

nbcnews.com/health/kids-health/…

Some context on the above. I guess those connotations aren't as widespread around here as I though

Shog9

@Taryn hey, you're the one with DB access, I can't stop you!

Taryn

@Shog9 I won't abuse my privileges that way

Shog9

neo-Atwood: "I'm gonna STAR YOU AT THE DATABASE LEVEL"

John Dvorak

Are there any logs of SQL ... privileged access?

Shog9

18:44

...is that an internal reference? I forget.

@JohnDvorak there's like a whole audit thing for Teams / private info. Probably not chat.

Taryn

@JohnDvorak access to the actual servers is limited

canon

@Taryn Wow, that forward-reference is really weird.

Mithrandir

@Shog9 Ever tried reading through 700 spam posts in three hours? It's actually fun... for some definitions of "fun"...

Shog9

@Mithrandir y'know how most sites allow low-rep users to post images now?

Mithrandir

Yeah

Shog9

18:49

Up until about 5 years ago, they were blocked with < 10 rep, same as on SO

canon

all the memes...

Shog9

in preparation for enabling that, I pulled 8 months of logs, and reviewed 3738 posts by new users blocked due to images

I never want to do that again

Mithrandir

O_o

John Dvorak

That sounds like a horrible idea

Shog9

However, I did learn in the process of the existence of a site named "bestgore" (intentionally not linked). So presumably if you were on the lookout for the best gore on the 'net, today is your lucky day.

(though really, if that's your thing... is any day really lucky for you?)

Mithrandir

18:52

I'll stick to my "scourge Medium of pharma spam" plan :P.

canon

Just think of all those poor facebook employees who have to police content...

Kevin B

"poor"

John Dvorak

Isn't that just contemporary Hollywood?

canon

in the sense that their job is to flag and delete beheading photos, kiddy porn, etc

wonder what the turnover for that position is

has to be rough

John Dvorak

six to eight weeks

canon

18:55

@JohnDvorak so, they can never leave...

Shog9

on a happier note... Who likes giant snakes? Colorado is your place to be right now!

John Dvorak

They can check out any time they like, though

canon

@Shog9 still not as chilling as the end of this video.

Magisch

@Shog9 actually pretty sure that site is illegal in my country

John Dvorak

(as long as they fulfill their 54-hour quota ofc)

Magisch

18:58

I love giant snakes

Snakes in general are so cool

rene

@canon I learned that the Dutch employees have the largest queue ... we post the most filth ...

John Dvorak

I like spiders. I like them so much I provide them plenty of opportunity for home innovations.

canon

@rene Dutch... Dutch... those are the wooden clog people, right?

Magisch

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