2:05 PM
@SomewhatMemorableName Honestly, you sometimes have no choice :P I woke up being an RO in my second? third? month on SE :/
okay. 4th month on SE, 2nd in chat.

@Tinkeringbell vaguely the same...
I wonder if its how the system secretly picks mods ;p

@JourneymanGeek Just pick the RO's? :P

@Tinkeringbell maybe?

@Tinkeringbell Of 3 ROs in there, I was the only one who didn't get picked for mod

Though one of the ROs I ROified is a mod now so...

2:07 PM
So not just the RO's
Or I'm uniquely terrible

I dunno. At least my moderatorship didn't come with a message from Feeds

@Magisch You're not. But I recall you were on a break ;)

@Tinkeringbell funny thing that.
I was in india with poor internet when the SU mod election came up

@Tinkeringbell The only person that can answer that would be the person who chose the mods, and I'm pretty sure they wont

2:08 PM
I... quite literally typed out something like "Hi, I'm standing" as my election pitch, then edited it later ;)

@Magisch Well, from the e-mail I got, they looked at general site participation, meta participation etc. at the time, and the timezone I was in... For the rest, you'll have to trust me on the not being terrible ;)
@JourneymanGeek Glad I never had to do an election at the time ;)

hmm. I didn't realise timezones were considered, but I guess it makes sense.
@Tinkeringbell they're fun.
I won in the first round, but STV sometimes has nailbiters

AFAIK, all German.SE mods live in Germany (CET)
(yeah, that's obvious...)

@SomewhatMemorableName well out of people who volunteered
SR.SE had a american, me and a frenchman

looks great :)

2:28 PM
@JourneymanGeek Errr.. the ones I've seen look like they take a lot from the person nominating :)

wrong window ;p

Nice. Now I feel ignored :P

@Tinkeringbell well, sometimes

2:31 PM
stop posting chars that makes me clean my screen or curse: dead pixel!

.
MWAHAHAHAA

lol

@Tinkeringbell well, depends on the site, and the community?
I'd lost 2 elections on other sites ;p
(though it was mostly "geek! We need to make up the numbers!")
and you got T shirts for making it to the primaries in those days

Nice :)
I think I'll stick to IPS for now ;)
Like I said, elections sound like a huge energy drain

naw
They're relatively short
and outside the questionare and chat...

2:34 PM
@Tinkeringbell Depends on the site and the election. SO, maybe. Most other sites, probably not.

what you've done so far matters less than the election period itself
Some folks swear people vote based on reputation, or Reputation.....

@JourneymanGeek I guess they do. ;)

And betime
another early day for me

I still need to eat dinner. I'm hungry, but it's still way too early for dinner :(

Sandwich time then

2:37 PM
Those are for lunch. It's already been lunchtime.
I'll go scavenge, maybe there's some fruit lying around

what happened to the waffles? Since when the staff moved to sandwiches?
@Tinkeringbell just avoid parsley

@Derpy And tomatoes. Is parsley a fruit?
@Derpy It's that big push for healthier cantine food they have all around the world! :P

@Tinkeringbell old (probably urban legend too) teaching from scout years. They said parsley is poisonous to parrots and I never checked if that is true since I had exactly 0 parrots in my whole life.

sandwiches are the canonical meal between lunch and supper

and for @ShadowWizard , yep, for your joy you will never know if those were boy scouts or girl scouts.

2:46 PM
If sandwiches go between lunch and supper, than what do you eat for lunch or supper?
I found berries :D

@HDE226868 I think it depends on the person, too... I've been a candidate in three and I remember spending so much time and effort on writing my nomination, question answers, hanging out in chat... etc...

@Catija That's true, it does.
I only have one case of personal experience here.

@Tinkeringbell more sandwiches, but also chips and soup

Sometimes it's too hot for soup and I prefer salad.

cold soup can be pretty good
when I lived further south, eating a hearty meal on days when temperatures peaked above 110F would get troublesome
a cold tomato soup and chicken salad sandwich went down pretty well
Of course, pasta salad is always good

2:54 PM
I'll stick with bread and hagelslag for breakfast and lunch, and a hot meal for dinner. :)

As long as it's chicken salad and not tuna. :D
But it rarely gets that hot here.

what is hagelslag?

Sprinkles on toast.

like... cinnamon toast?

Like... literal sprinkles.

2:59 PM
oh. Like candy on toast.
well, I suppose that's something of an open-faced sandwich

@Catija We usually just put another slice of bread on top of that much hagelslag...
then it's a proper sandwich :)

@Catija Tuna salad sandwiches are best grilled with hot soup

Canned tuna is... not my thing. I never grew up eating it and even the smell makes me feel ill. One of my former coworkers would bring those tuna and cracker lunch packs for lunch in a small shared room and I had to leave whenever she was eating.

mmm... it's so good
makes my teeth itch just thinking about it
sardines on toast are also a good snack

Well... more for you to enjoy, I guess. Do you like your sardines packed in mustard?

3:04 PM
@Catija maybe she tried to send you a message ... asks on IPS.se

*sees someone asking a question on IPS*
*runs away*

viable

It's always nice to know that the IPS mods tend to run away from posts on their own site. ;)

It's how I deal with interpersonal situations all the time.

Woah~ IPS in the Tavern

3:10 PM
@Catija mmm, yes. Or I just put mustard on top of oil-packed sardines.

@Shog9 Oh yeah, and a bottle of chardonnay, outside a Spanish/Portuguese bar in the sun. Tuna salad made with those huge toms the size of softballs. . I gotta go raid fridge now:(

Softball sized tomatoes would be difficult to bite into on a sandwich.

@Catija lol, you are permitted to slice them:)

Ah. That makes sense. ;) Otherwise getting the correct ratio of tuna salad and tomato might be quite difficult... though, for me a 0:5 ratio would be acceptable. :P

@Catija Oh? Has Austin, TX moved to Germany, then? :)

3:27 PM
@MartinJames Hmmm? What do you mean? I pulled that off of a site called "stuff Dutch people like"... I only know about it because I have lots of Dutch friends. :D

3:48 PM
And muisjes

meises
We use that word instead here

Looks and sounds similar

@MartinJames Now I have a mental image of Martin dunking a giant tomato into a can of tuna, wrapping it all in a couple of slabs of bread, then extending his jaw to some inhuman angle like a horror movie monster and chomping down on resulting mass.

that is an accurate picture I would say

@Catija The Germans put sprinkles on eveything. Possibly not beer, but I would not be surprised at that:)

4:00 PM
I have sprinkles shaped like the Tardis :D

mmmmmmmmmm, steampunk cupcakes
Anyone have experience with / opinions about the Razer BlackWidow Chroma V2 keyboard?

4:15 PM
Disco keyboard ...

Fits, as I frequently listen to "Stayin' Alive" by the BeeGees while using meta. Chroma just adds to the effect.

If you're ever in need of some, I still have tons of the sprinkles sitting around... I'm assuming they have an indefinite shelf life. I think I got 3-4 bottles of each type.
@TimPost It looks really pretty?

@TimPost personal opinion is if you want an RGB board, there are better options out there than the Razer (whose QC went way downhill around 2012), with Ducky being probably your best bet

Is the keyboard cushion removable? I'm not a fan of them.

I don't think Duckys come with a wrist rest... not sure about the Razer

4:23 PM
Are there known issues with Fastly in England: meta.stackoverflow.com/q/370894/578411 ?

The Razer does. I was continuing my first comment. :)

@KevinB thanks, shared that

@Catija yeah it looks like you can take the rest off

4:43 PM
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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, potentially bad keyword in body: PHP malware in the style tag by Andrea Grippi on security.SE

user310756
5:02 PM
hm I've got a problem with a collapsing widget in the info sidebar of chats - collapsing the avatars. It doesn't happen in safari or incognito chrome. Disabling tampermonkey doesn't help, it seems to be when I'm logged in. anyone have any ideas what might be causing that?

Do you have Porkchat installed?

Doesn't happen in incognito is usually a sign that it is an extension.

Porkchat is an add-on, so disabling Tampermonkey wouldn't kill it.

user310756
@Catija yes! thanks. I totally forgot about porkchat

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5:11 PM
Sure :)

@SmokeDetector k

5:25 PM
I got a meta 'welcoming' answer accepted.... what went wrong? Am I not being hostile enough?

Probably!

Hello! The Rate Limiting Guide mentions that there are no limits for comment deletion, but I got a message today saying that I cannot delete my comments from more than under twenty separate posts
(even though it doesn't say explicitly, I'm assuming that it meant: "further deletes are blocked for today" :P)
...so is this a mistake that needs to be corrected?

I need a post that explains moving comments to chat for regular users :) I know I've seen it somewhere...

5:42 PM
@GaurangTandon I would say the Rate Limiting Guide needs an update but maybe an SE Dev needs to confirm what the exact criteria are.

@Tinkeringbell It's mentioned briefly in the comments FAQ

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Thanks!

I mostly curated FAQs back in the anonymous editor days, I still do it from time to time
@GaurangTandon Edited the FAQ. Note that those are community-curated, so if no one bothers to edit them, they will become out-of-date. (This was my main driver to anonymously edit those)

@Magisch i'm deleting my old obsolete comments. Stuff like welcome to chem.se, or here's a mathjax guide, etc.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog thanks for the quick fix!
@rene i feel that the people who made such complex rules should also have published official documentation about those rules, it shouldn't really be needed to be done by the community imo... (though the community is great at it, things do slip by sometimes, like this one)

5:56 PM
Got mass declined flags on funny comments. I guess I did annoy some mods...

@GaurangTandon no, SE is an agile shop, the code is the documentation and these rate limiting settings are flexible, they can change at any moment. Documenting them would be a waste of time with little gain. When someone hits a limit it will get documented, as just happened. The process works.
@SomewhatMemorableName the mod tried to be funny

6:17 PM
46

What are the benefits of the ternary number system over the more traditional binary number system? Are there drawbacks to ternary with respect to binary, aside from the obvious of less adoption?

I remember that question...

It’s always good for a chuckle.
Maybe in a better universe we would have ended up with ternary machines, but given the current reality... it’s quite a stretch to expect them to inevitably become ubiquitous.

6:35 PM
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I remember we have really low opinion of Iota. Not a good vouch for ternary machines.

Huh, I feel like some of the SO people could probably come up with some good talks for this: sxsw.com/conference/code-and-development

Needs one more close vote

Amidst all this "be nice" hullabaloo, let's bring back lmgtfy! Sure, it's savage and embarrassing when you're on the receiving end... but it's a beautiful one-time lesson. Sometimes your ego needs to take a hit for you to grow. Thoughts?

@canon If you're already googling, you might as well copy-paste some stuff into an answer and gain some rep....

7:14 PM
undo's minirant of the day: Suppose Stack Overflow is unwelcoming, and suppose we've decided to fix it. Further suppose that the 7% 'unwelcoming' comments stat holds (seems way too high to me, but maybe). Now, the next question you have to answer is this:
Are our policies wrong, or are we failing to enforce the policies?
If we fail to enforce policies for whatever reason, no amount of CoC writing or blog-posting is going to do anything more than appease Twitter.

i mean... even with proper enforcement... unwelcoming messages will still exist.
until said enforcement occurs

Indeed. If we're failing to enforce policies, then all we need is tooling, one way or another
(assuming moderators aren't declining stuff they shouldn't, which I see no evidence of)

@Undo Have had that but not for unwelcoming comment flags
One off mistakes, mostly

Yeah, nothing systemic

7:29 PM
@Undo wait, did the mission changed somewhere into Appease Twitter? Did I miss a memo?
7

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Adding Hindi Fonts to Ubuntu Font Family by janthi on askubuntu.com

isn't that what caused this whole push?

@SmokeDetector k

@πάνταῥεῖ Zurück?
What happened?

@Fabby Nothing to be proud of and tell :3

7:31 PM
Funny thing happened: @JourneymanGeek thougth I was one of your sock puppet accounts...

@Fabby Beyond being german you definitely aren't XD

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm not even German: I just live there...

@Shog9 Happen to have a screenshot of how comments were presented in the Comment Evaluator 5000?

:D

hmm

7:33 PM
why 5000

@Jouney Should know better, that I've sworn off using socks.

@KevinB because it's better than 4000

it's precisely 300 better than the Comment Evaluator 4700

then why not 6000

because it's not that good

7:33 PM
5000 was so last xpac

@Shog9 Comment evaluator 4242 would be even better...

@Fabby You're ever welcome from my side. I'm not following the current main stream discourse happening right now.

@πάνταῥεῖ Maybe I'm telepathically linked to you and I'm just a puppet without knowing...
@πάνταῥεῖ Define "mainstream discourse"...

That's OSI layer 42 then ...

@πάνταῥεῖ :D

7:36 PM
@Fabby Unwelcoming, as it feels for me.

Awesome, thanks :)

Cool!!!

Presumably with the rows repeated for multi-comment chains

@Shog9 Hey @MarkAmery.. notice the 'neutral' isn't in there :P So I'd have definitely hit that unsure we talked about yesterday ;)

7:37 PM
What does "unsure" mean in this context?

@πάνταῥεῖ lemme see how far away you live from me.

@Undo yup:

Does that just mean all neutral reactions get counted as unwelcoming?

i'd assume unsure was mapped to "unwelcoming"

Sweet

7:38 PM
@Shog9 Thank you!

@Magisch Neutral reactions probably fall under 'fine', or that would be the expectation

@Fabby That's probably not a question of current location ;)

I'm almost never :) in reaction to a comment
mostly the second
I'd expect only the third to count as unwelcoming then

sure... but if it was that way, how would abusive and unwelcoming be separated.

Looks to me as -1 0 +1

7:39 PM
@Undo suppose Stack Overflow is unwelcoming. The next question we need to answer is... "What does that mean?"
Not, "FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT FIX IT!"

I still think unwelcoming is a useless metric
it varies so wildly per culture

People, Policy, Process, Product

Guy on the phone says "your software is broken and it sucks and I'm very angry" - you don't say, "I'm so sorry, I'll fix it for you, have a good day"

What is unwelcoming for me might be exactly what someone else is looking for

7:40 PM
unless he's paying you

ESPECIALLY if he's paying you.

@Shog9 users do this all the time btw

You're on Windows, right?

You usually have to coax the reason out of them

@Magisch 'wrong number'

7:41 PM
@Magisch I know. I've spent years of my life doing this. And every newb on the line tries that placating line. And every time, they go home burned out and the angry guy calls again tomorrow. If you want to actually fix shit, you gotta learn to talk 'em down and get some real info. Otherwise, you're just another slub being paid to get beat on.

@πάνταῥεῖ Indeed, currently house-sitting in Belgium.

@Shog9 Otherwise you're just wasting your and the user's time efficiently

@Shog9 Applause

What they say vs what actionable feedback you can extract from them is so far apart that it feels like you have to be a magician to know sometimes

Don't get me wrong, you can be sympathetic. Heck, you can be fake sympathetic; it doesn't matter. As long as you can get past the point where they're screaming and to the point where they give you enough info to figure out what problem(s) led them to this state, your time isn't wasted. But all the sympathy in the world doesn't matter if they gotta go back to using broken software tomorrow.

7:43 PM
(I get given the difficult customers because I don't eat their shit: I catch it and throw it back gently point out that what they're asking doesn't make sense)

Just two days ago I had someone call and say their connection was faulty and they were tired of kicking the pc to resolve it. Turns out they turned off caching in their browser and the load times were longer then expected. And then the network adapter chipped from being kicked so often so they got even more angry

@Magisch That person is its own problem...
You all could do with a little bit more love and less hate and more cuddling and less kicking on your planet...
>:-) ;-) >:-)
@πάνταῥεῖ 3h30-HOF
(now a bit more)

Problem solving by percussion can be effective. At ******, I was usually first in, and part of my job was to backheel two 19" racks as I passed on my way to the coffee machine. Without that effort, the number of test failures due to old, dirty connectors increased dramatically.

@MartinJames Are you hungry?

@Fabby Go on, post whatever dish you have, I can take it..

7:57 PM
@MartinJames I just wanted to know what Chicken Magmaloo was...

@Fabby Oh - it's like chicken vindaloo, but turbocharged. Sorta phall++

:D :D :D
Like my death-by-chocolate cake...

Chicken in Limoncello sauce probably :3
in SO Close Vote Reviewers on Stack Overflow Chat, 9 mins ago, by πάντα ῥεῖ
@Olaf Well, in Italy they sell Limoncello

8:15 PM
Good night all...

Nite:)

8:44 PM
Oh dear MSO, if that answer isn't useful, then please write a competing one ....
I guess I have fans

Sure you have!

\o/
@AdamLear did you see this bug report? Not sure if that is related to your earlier push to prod for the sticky preferences. The timing seems to match ...

sigh probably

sorry ...

wow, that's ... mega broken. thanks, Ubuntu

8:57 PM
Whass up with the game? Do the brits hold?

SE advices IE11 on Windows 7

@πάνταῥεῖ Croatia 2-1

Cool lil' southern easterns :3

@Shog9 Well, apparently, "Stack Overflow is unwelcoming" may mean "survey participants were unsure WTF 7% of comments were about when shown them without context." Apparently, though, your colleagues have already decided this is "not good enough for us".

@MarkAmery That's also kind of a meaningless conclusion.

9:00 PM

@MarkAmery I mean... what do you do with something like that?
> When in danger or in doubt, run in circles, scream and shout.

@Shog9 With the results from the survey, and nothing more? I'm not sure you can do much with them at all, which is my point. With the criticisms of the survey? You can ask all the staff about how they interpreted the three levels, and you can figure out whether the interpretations were consistent, and then either build a better survey with less ambiguous questions or argue the case that we actually did get some meaningful data.

ok... Let's take a step back
Even assuming you attribute "unwelcoming" entirely to comments... which, much as I dislike comments, is sketchy...
Deciding that "comments are 7% unwelcoming" doesn't give you any productive approaches
You gotta figure out why those comments are seen as unwelcoming

I agree - I just think we're not even that far in our analysis yet

No, we're not
Look... we should've been doing this 4 years ago. Straight-up. We knew it, we actually started this same sort of analysis... And then we saw whatever the 2014 equivalent to "7%" was and decided, "meh. not a problem"
I mean... You look back at the posts I was writing about the state of moderation tooling back then, and they're all full of embarrassing admissions that comments were fast becoming the single biggest problem. And we didn't know what to do about it.

9:08 PM
So, there's a thing that I haven't seen mentioned at all since Jay's first welcoming blog post, that in my personal, totally non-rigorous observation of the site has always seemed like the single biggest problem with how askers get treated by commenters

eh, i just feel like the survey was flawed... and that basing any kind of action or discussion from it seems pointless.
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And it's not capable of being picked up at all by any of the analysis done since Jay's post

Scaling sometimes gets into weird directions.

And that's inconsistent community moderation standards
There's a mass of people with their own ad-hoc ideas of what makes a good question that they'll present as rules

so... that's when you kinda have to admit that this is a multi-faceted problem
I mean... A "good question" for Android managed code is not the same as a "good question" for R or for C# or for C++ on Windows.

9:11 PM
Like, you come along as a new user and you ask a question and somebody'll say "What have you tried? You need to show us your code!" and they vote to close for no MCVE. And so you paste your code into the question and then I come along and say "You're mixing a how-to question with a debugging question here, and the result is too broad to be usefully answerable because there's basically two separate questions now" and I vote to close as Too Broad.

And the experience as a new user is terrible, because you've got different people trying to impose their contradictory visions of how questions should be, and the only concrete mechanism the site gives them to do so is to fuck you over by blocking anybody from answering your question

This is where I kinda think Stack Overflow is too large - has been too large - to really have this notion of one set of specific rules that apply the same to everything.

I think framing these things as "rules" is maybe part of the problem in the first place
There's lots of ad-hoc community standards that get applied by people choosing the close-vote things that then get described as "rules"

Yeah. They didn't start out as rules. The problem is, when you need 5 people to all vote to close a question as "unclear" you start to need some way to get them to agree.
But let's be honest: 5 random people are not all equally-equipped to decide which questions are answerable.
I mean... Who's equipped to decide which WinAPI questions are answerable? You? Me? Or Raymond Chen who has been answering WinAPI questions for the past couple decades?
But I get a binding vote, and he's gotta wait for 4 other people.

9:16 PM
I'm certainly of the view that lots of stuff gets closed for bullshit reasons
Several of my handful of Meta answers have been me jumping in to defend a question's right to exist

Of course. And sadly, the bigger this gets, the more it tends to fall on blind heuristics: folks voting because a question doesn't contain code, or because the title asks something vague that's then specified in detail in the body.

arrrrgh I hate those titles
they're not a reason for closure, but
every time I click through from Google to a "How do I [do broad, generically applicable task]" question

it's a reason to edit. I mean, come on - it's trivial to edit those. Not as trivial as voting to close, but easily more trivial than 5 people voting to close.

and actually get "Here's 200 lines of code I wrote to do something tangentially related to [broad, generically applicable task], why am I getting an EccentricHighlySpecificException on line 66?"
I end up wanting to throttle the asker for their title choice

I kinda suspect that as the major tags get more and more "filled in"... The reason for folks to participate at all is becoming more and more the niche stuff: specific libraries with lousy docs (because only two people are working on it and they're both fixing bugs); new platforms; legacy stuff that never got properly documented to begin with.

9:20 PM
@Shog9 I agree, and I edit them when I see them. They upset me most when careless gold badge holders use them as dupe targets for everything to do with [broad, generically applicable task], which happens way too often

But... If we keep fixating on the folks asking their Java debugging questions or whatever, we're not gonna serve the folks for whom Stack Overflow can actually be useful.
Don't get me wrong: I'd love to have a resource to help folks become better debuggers. But... Pointing out the line where they forgot to initialize a variable 8000 times a day ain't doing that.

the "minimal" part of MCVE isn't enforced enough
if it were, those questions would either be duplicates of the last time someone didn't initialise a variable, or would be closed for lack of MCVE

it's awful hard to enforce. It's... pretty near impossible to teach.
I mean... We did our best I think. But you could fill a couple of books with what MCVE is trying to convey in a few paragraphs.
And then no one would read those books.

of course, going back to the point about contradictory standards, while I will close a question for having much more code than is needed to illustrate the problem... other people will do the opposite
there's an irritating interpretation of "practical problem related to software development", or whatever the Help Center wording is, that implies that if you're using an artificially constructed example of a problem rather than a copy-paste from your real project, then your question is off-topic
people will look at the sort of minimal toy example that I want to see and ask "But what are you really trying to do? Why do you need this?" and close as Unclear
and it has seemed to me for a long time that, no matter what standards we settled on, if we could somehow as a community all agree to enforce the same standards we'd be a whole lot less oppressive to new users
rather than the current status quo where Mother berates you for speaking out of turn and Father berates you for not being assertive enough
but nothing your colleagues are doing will capture this point. It's not about tone; it's not about the fine nuances of word choice in comments. It's about the actual content that's being expressed.

brb; sitting in on an interview regarding the proposed code of conduct

9:32 PM
👍
when you come back you can tell me whether I'm gonna get banned once it gets implemented :P

9:50 PM
@canon My biggest problem with comments complaining that something is Googleable is that they're frequently wrong. I personally have no issue with This is trivially Googleable. The first result for "frobnicate widget in fooscript" is www.example.com/relevant/docs which tells you to call the .swizzle() method. The trouble is with commenters who stop at the end of the first sentence, and leave the same comment even when there are no relevant results for any obvious search.

@MarkAmery I used to comment 'Copying your exact title into a popular search engine gives 'About 32,000,000 results', with several links to SO answers on the first page that explain your problem'. I no longer bother, given it's either rude or pointless or both. Down/close vote only, every time now.

Well, take Shog's joke last night... I asked how you get an editor's address and he responded "&editors"... which made no sense for me but I would have no way to know the terminology to get any sort of background to understand that joke.

It was a good joke though :P

I didn't even know what family of languages uses that to start with... let alone how to search for &.

Yeah, it wasn't searchable
I would be cautious about generalising too much from that, though
Most of programming is not just about understanding what a symbol made out of punctuation characters means. Many things are searchable.

9:58 PM
I see the same thing all the time on ELL... language learners sometimes don't know how to find what they need because getting the correct definition of "run" or "do"... words that have so many different definitions... it's impossible unless you specifically know the right part of speech you're looking at.