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01:24
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I am experimenting with hiding scores, rep, badges, throughout the interface.
Anonymous
also the pop-up expandable user cards because those are ugly.
02:16
8 hours ago, by Somewhat Memorable Name
@rene I'm looking forward to see the fate of this post. wanted to grab popcorns, but I have to sleep
apparently it got rolled back and locked, the wisest action.
OTOH, OP's rep on MSE is.... 1. (no, not suspension)
@ShadowWizard he got downvoted on SO, and almost always ask "why downvoted?" on the comment...
 
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03:42
Huh... :( Bye, Jeremy.
03:56
hm?
What did I miss?
Dunno... His chat account is gone but his SE account seems fine.
Looks like he requested he be dissociated from his chat posts in addition to just deleting his chat profile (which would preserve his user code).
By the way, I'm amazed that they processed my passport application in just two weeks...I didn't pay for any expedited service
@Catija His chat profile was recreated: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users/134300/user134300
Well, I guessed I did miss its deletion & recreation, thus it looked like nothing happen (though the last message was n/a)
Is it legal if a website tries to verify that one is an EU resident before proceeding with a GDPR removal request?
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog US or india?
(singapore's about a week but eh, they probably have my whole history on file)
US is usually 4-6 weeks for expedited...
Here, you can either do "routine" service which takes 4-6 weeks, or "expedited" service which takes 2-3 weeks. I did routine.
ya, but if its a quiet period, or well, if its processed already, no point in waiting
(There are options to expedite even faster if you have proof of an urgent need to travel, but you can opt to expedite to 2-3 weeks for any reason)
@Catija If I may ask, does Bennett have his passport yet?
04:09
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I've filled out the paperwork but we haven't gotten the photos... so... no. But we're not going anywhere anytime soon.
Now I need to get my OCI (Overseas Citizen of India) card reissued because I got a new passport at the age of 20
04:34
Oh, that's just an endorsement IIRC
and pretty fast,
We don't even need to go to the embassy here - can get it done through one of their agents
(OCI - basically a lifetime via + limited extra rights that folks who're citizens get. Its almost a dual citizenship without a dual citizenship)
also, for some reason, auto checkins here don't manage to read them ;p
Good news everyone! the serial voting was reversed
\o/!
All is good in the world!
@SomewhatMemorableName buh... Reminds me of Laszlo
05:14
Can non-moderators close questions as duplicates of unanswered questions on non-meta sites using their Chaos Emeralds?
05:33
errrrrr
Zat should be documented... somewhere. But if they can normally with help, they should be able to unilaterally vote to close as dupe too.
Also, I think the mechanics of mse is the same as a regular site
Unrelatedly...
My team has been busy designing and building projects supporting the rest of the Stack Overflow for a long time now: StackMail, Developer Story, Teams, GDPR, etc. But now we’re caught up and looking ahead. We had some planning meetings the past few days.
heh, nick's been wanting to do this a while... should be interesting ;)
(.net core probably means they can run the SE stack on linux too)
06:22
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't think so. If you can find something for me on SO, I'll give it a try.
@JourneymanGeek not when it comes to closing as dupe, in this aspect MSE is like a meta site.
@ShadowWizard hence the think
@Nzall flag? Or automatic?
07:17
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog wasn't that possible for same user posts? So the same OP reposts their own question?
07:34
umm..... what black magic wiped Jeremy's chat profile clean while leaving his actual MSE account intact???
@rene Yes, the system does allow duplicate closures from normal users if the questions were posted by the same user. The three exceptions are in the FAQ.
Didn't know such thing is even possible...
@user134300 is still pingable but... all past messages.. disassociatd somehow?
@ShadowWizard He contacted SE to both delete only his chat profile and anonymize his old messages
New level of panic/paranoia. Oh well.
Can't understand and can't judge.
07:48
I guess if we need to find out we'll know?
I think it's a bit unkind to speculate openly when it's clear they want privacy
in RPG General Chat on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 hour ago, by BESW
@drskyskull We must research this bovine cloaking technology.
For someone who invested in virtual cats, I guess they really care about their privacy...
(RIP the Cow)
@Magisch it's more than just privacy, it's kind of re-writing/nuking their whole history. Which is a lot of data that can otherwise be useful for others.
08:02
@JourneymanGeek why rip?
I hope that cow is still alive
Passed away during a health check, slightly ironically
They should get another one
One does not simply buy the Cow.
Who was a bull actually
08:04
cows are nice
My granma's place used to have a retired bull and its owner
who's hitch it up to an empty cart, since the poor dear would get bored
and go visit people ;p
Big ol fella. Sadly old age got both of em.
@Magisch ....... yep, soooooo well implemented. I was able to determine the new associated account and search for his posts in about.... 10 second flat?
old age gets everyone in due time
and nope, obviously I won't link that.
08:09
@JourneymanGeek wait, what?? Cow just appeared on an island?
@ShadowWizard the Cow apparently just did
@Derpy well, you can't find his chat messages since the name itself is anonymized as well. He wiped "only" his chat activity, not SE activity.
My guess is he swam in from malaysia....
maybe via ubun
You have TuCows
No we had One Cow...
08:11
@JourneymanGeek he? Doesn't this make it a bull, not a cow, which is female by its very definition?
@ShadowWizard that's part of the joke
Singapore is so urbanised...
that we just called him the Cow.
Cause most folks have never seen a cow before
But why male? The Cow can also be female. I miss something basic here.
@ShadowWizard humbug. I determined the "anonymized" chat user, so I am fully able to search messages using the "User" filter.
But there was no female cow
@ShadowWizard errrr
@ShadowWizard "Its complicated"
By which I mean I have no idea why they called him the Cow.
@JourneymanGeek no... I don't mean why "the Cow". I mean why "him", "he", etc.
08:13
@ShadowWizard cause he was a male cattle
@JourneymanGeek so it's not a cow.
huh.
Its not a cow
Its the Cow.
the
So this is a bull?
08:15
Yup!
Well was
@Derpy so that's a bug... probably since it's the first time such thing happens, they couldn't possibly find that bug before.
nope, that is just "anonymization by account name change"
Guess we'll let the one affected post bug report if he wants?
(since I'm not sure about the details)
@Derpy but in all messages it appears as deleted account, no link.
(link to user 0 here in room, no link in transcript)
alongside with deleted user on close banner
I think we already have a similar FR for chat anomization
cowabunga!
08:18
Cow. And Chicken.
@ShadowWizard that is only a UI level fix that hides the fact that at a lower level the account still exists - it just has an autogenerated name now.
Anyway, I suppose that a bug report would be closed as "by design" right now
status-its-complicated
At least until manages to prove that the current implementation violates some GDPR / Privacy requirement ( that is, assuming it does. I don't actually know)
In theory, me remembering you exist might...
like... this?
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Q: Is the GDPR applicable to data stored in human memory?

Michal CharemzaIf data is stored in human memory, is the GDPR applicable? Say, an employee of a company remembers an email address of a client, their date of birth, or even what their face looks like, does the client have a right of access to this data, or even a right for this to be erased?

08:23
@JourneymanGeek Only if you disclose that information, iirc
or remember it and then process it
Memory is one thing. Still linking the messages to the same account record with a different display name after" anonymization" is another. Providing the ability to search by ID for the messages posted by an "anonymized account" is yet another.
@Derpy If you believe this violates the GDPR (no comment from me) you can submit a contact us ticket to stack
That said, I could at least try to fix what I can, but that would mean sending in a "contact us" request and hope someone answers.
My tickets have a 0% response rate but YMMV
Please wait until the next ClearMemory™ EMP wave. Just to make sure that we are really serious in controlling privacy.
08:29
well technically not, technically it's 33.33%
6 mins ago, by Derpy
Memory is one thing. Still linking the messages to the same account record with a different display name after" anonymization" is another. Providing the ability to search by ID for the messages posted by an "anonymized account" is yet another.
@SomewhatMemorableName ...and what about data stored in the memory of lawyers?
@MartinJames technically...
would matter less in europe
they don't rely on case/common law as much as the uk and us
@MartinJames gives a new meaning to "brainwash"
or well, not new, but exact meaning
@SomewhatMemorableName lol
well, appeal to ridiculous aside, sent a "contact us" warning about the disclosure.
Now it is up to them to chose.
09:02
weird. There is a message that gets displayed in the chat transcript buy doesn't in the actual chat room.
@ShadowWizard automatic
any idea how THAT is possible?
@Derpy is it moved? Caching?
@Derpy known bug; refresh the page
seems a refesh fixed that. Probably UI bug / race condition / cache / whatever
@Mithrandir yep, just done that.
@Mithrandir also, you shouldn't be here. The Bug Floof clock is ticking.
09:10
i'm finding one
Anyway, what do you think of this issue? Using email domain address as username?
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Q: Are these usernames security threats?

grovkinI just saw a post on the site by a user with the username "gmail.com". There is also an active user "yahoo.com". Is this not a potential security threat for some cross-site scripting scenario?

mumble....
@Derpy for a gray horse with a mailbag you sure do mumble a lot
well, what could go wrong when pinging someone @gmail.com ...
09:26
> "and to NOT answer @AndrewT."
unless some account name change is involved, that means that the question originally contained some content by "AndrewT"
@Derpy that's me on the question's comment
for curiosity killed the cat and XSS
My point was that the message was posted in an attempt to hide the potential "disclosure", yet actually it makes it more visible.
I wonder why this was self deleted: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/310991
courtesy?
because that's a real vulnerability and should not be disclosed publicly? the demo link was posted here too some hours ago
Strangely enough the demo ceased to work so maybe fixed?
09:35
can't speculate more other than asking the person directly
@Magisch reposted on MSO after it got push back. It just got a fix.
Oh yeah, also "SOfT issue should be posted on MSO, not MSE" matter
 
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10:58
In the meantime, somewhere else, poor Trogdor had started the "How to ponify your dragon" school.
@Derpy honestly, that Trogdor looks more welcoming...
@Derpy didn't they do an entire episode on this?
11:28
@Mgetz The "adult" Spike one? the reference wasn't really intended.
@Derpy and that changes the fact the reference exists how ;)
@Mgetz for one, at that point Spike had no wings. Second, Twily wasn't exactly trying to keep him that way. Quite the opposite, actually.
Third, that would be Trogdor :P
 
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12:41
Hi all. Is there any tag for questions about post association among SOs on different languages? E.g. when enSO question has the same question on ruSO.
12:54
@alexolut I don't think there is. Closest what had been discussed before is marking questions as cross-site-duplicates which is kind of related.
And there had been a few suggestions to have cross-site tags: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/268885/…
13:36
@Derpy We miss troggy :(
14:19
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user392817
Hi! I had requested the Stack Exchange team to anonymize my previous chat messages since I had shared a few contact details there (which I don't want to be traced back to me). They have done that today morning, which I'm extremely thankful for. But it seems my chat profile got removed from the room owner position of these rooms:
user392817
It would be really helpful if one of the mods here re-adds the chat profile to the RO position on those two rooms. Here's the link to my chat profile. I know I could have mailed the SE team again, but that would be a bit time-consuming and also I don't want to unnecessarily disturb them.
It looks like it will be easy to link that back to you chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/45025118#45025118 specially if you reappear in that room with the same handle ...
user392817
@rene Still would increase the difficulty of tracing it back to me :P Anyhow, it's not that big a deal. Just a few users had been trying to message me over Facebook, which was a bit annoying
14:30
Why I have this deja-vu?
oh, yep, that one thing about anonymization from this morning.
I have a deja-vu of you having a deja-vu...
@Blue In that Problem Solving Strategies room there are still RO's, you should be able to have them re-add you as RO.
The other room is now RO-less. That needs a mod.
I picked up a down vote here. I guess that is for Thou shall not answer lazy questions or did I miss something?
user392817
@rene Ah, yes, that's possible. Anyhow, The Classical Channel doesn't have other active ROs, so if any mod is around that'd help.
user392817
No hurry though!
> To answer these kind of questions yourself, do try the awesome tutorial.
might look condescending to someone...
but who knows...
14:40
@SomewhatMemorableName slightly reworded, thanks. I wouldn't have thought of that myself
@Derpy the matrix is being adjusted, please stand by
15:13
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title: Encrypt phone remotely by RagnettoFelice on android.SE
15:28
@Mithrandir24601 is probably the best person to help there? ;p
Anyway, I'll throw you the RO powers on the classical channel
but since I'm lazy, ping me there please!
@Blue since you literally don't seem to be there
@Blue added
15:46
ugg what should we do with answers like this stackoverflow.com/a/50744848/332733
it's not an answer, it's not an update to the question... it's just off topic
Flag?
@Catija flag has now been tossed, yeah it's an odd one since it does technically provide a solution just not to the question asked
Considering their rep, they probably think the site is like a forum where you can add posts instead of editing... a helpful comment to explain how answers are meant to be used and a recommendation for what to do with the new content they posted as an answer would also be helpful.
@Catija Yeah I have the chrome addon
user392817
@JourneymanGeek Thank you very much
15:57
@Mgetz what flag did you raise?
@rene NaA
that will be declined
it's not an answer
not to the question as asked
a workaround to the question asked is an answer
even if it is a rewrite using a different lib
then I got bad advice to flag, I don't consider it an answer since the question is about linking to curl
15:59
Just don't trust mods ;)
shrug
I'm out of it anyway due to allergies
I did put a question mark on it...
We don't read ...
it doesn't matter, I shouldn't have flagged and I should have trusted my gut
also punctuation is overrated
second that
@Catija just end your sentences in ⁉🦄™😉
@Mgetz Well, you didn't say "it does technically provide a solution"... until after I made the recommendation, so... :P
then you have all bases covered
16:18
@AdamLear Can you look at this bug. Though it is obsolete since the proposal is deleted. Actually we have similar problem for Indian Languages proposal.
How is the order of chat rooms shown on Meta home page selected? Active first?
@Mgetz sometimes you'll be lucky ...
@NogShine it depends which tab you choose: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/rooms?tab=all&sort=created
@rene 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♀️
because apparently shrugging is gendered
@rene I mean per site meta home page. In the right side bar.
Looks like it. I was shown wrong order due to cache.
@NogShine oh, that is activity based probably and heavily cached
16:46
Rooms shown at homepage are not much useful due to very slow update, one should load chat.SE or chat.SE instead.
@Pandya I can't right now, but I'll try to check it out soon. Link me to a user who shows the follow on their profile but not on the proposal?
@AdamLear ok. no-problem. That is area51.stackexchange.com/users/128298/malvi
cool, thanks
 
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18:48
Make comic sans the default plz! — πάντα ῥεῖ 1 min ago
sd fp
Language related site.
@Mgetz That was sarcasm ...
@πάνταῥεῖ so was my response ;p
;)
Seen joe's tweet for today?
Nope but is it 20% cooler?
It just sounded a bit of being exhausted.
 
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20:14
Kitten Chef!
20:37
"Mean SO" is discussed at the public much again.
People just don't grasp the differences vs Quora or Reddit.
@bjb568 So cute!
What happened to cause the discussion this time?
@HolaJacquie @aprilwensel @SvenPam @JesseRWeigel @Syknapse @qucode @PeteCapeCod @mrjaypeasmith @YaYev @WebDevBev @OniwaBansho @piq9117 @paulienuh @PPinceloup @rachsmithtweets @reignincode @ScottDevTweets @MilesSebesta @shuff_co @sherrrylst @soniagupta504 @TheWhriteRabbit @Elena_in_code @BatsouElef @sarah_edo @travelDev @traversymedia @stolinski @james_priest1 @jjprevite @PizzaPokerGuy @techsith1 @wesbos @hswolff @kentcdodds @ryanflorence @peggyrayzis @freeCodeCamp @ossia @ThePracticalDev @StackOverflow Maybe I am a bit off from that, because I've always been a self taught person and rarely relied to the help from others to get things done. Anyways, the @stackoverflow site is a great resource, and there are some simple rules set up how you should use it.
Well, that's in the middle of it :-P
If you expose yourself in the public with "whatever", you should be prepared to receive rotten vegetables thrown to yourself.
21:04
Meh - it's mostly the same old, tired crap from those who think that professional engineers should wast.. .spend their free, volunteered time teaching 'Computers 101' to legions of deadbeats on a continual, streaming basis because 'we were all learners once'.
they should try it
go answer questions on jquery forums
@Martin That seems to be some essential thing that can't be taught in a friendly way. If ever you try to do so people will start to complain being "belittled" or offended.
It's not a nice day if you had a session with your psychologist! You'll just need a(nother) drink :-P
@MartinJames Woah... can we step back a bit here? I don't think anyone is expecting that... I don't spend a huge amount of time on SO but I had an experience the other day on ELL that I'd like to mention that might help.
21:11
@JoeFriend If I remember correctly, the MathOverflow site was a former Stack Exchange 1.0 site which transitioned to modern SE 2.0 under a special agreement. Their agreement allowed them to keep certain elements of the Stack Exchange 1.0 engine, which includes among other things the original Trebuchet font for titles (used on Trilogy sites until 2016 or so), and the green highlighting for accepted answers. How will the global design changes affect MathOverflow?
Someone asked a question about the use of "uncle" and "aunt" in English... question hit the HNQ list and all that... lots of visibility. Shortly after the question was posted someone commented on it and said that they'd downvoted the question because it was too simple and something that you learn in middle school.
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Q: How can you recognize "uncle" is father's brother or mother's brother? (Is there any "default option"? )

PeaceSuppose that you read about someone's uncle in a certain text and the writer doesn't mention if the uncle is: his father's brother or his mother's brother or his father's sister's husband or his mother's sister's husband Could you please tell me how you can recognize which one is the "uncle"...

Well, in Hindi and most languages originating from the Indian Subcontinent there are two different words for each
The comments are deleted now... but when I saw that comment I had to respond because we do not limit questions on that site based on the difficulty of the question.
Someone learning something in 7th grade doesn't make it off topic or a bad question. Everyone is at a different point in their learning and those people may already speak five other languages and they're in their 40s and just decided to give English a whirl... so we're there to help them.
I have mentioned that SE isn't really responsible about inappropriate comments, and these are moderated as hard as possible already.
If someone chooses to answer a question, that's their choice! And as long as the question meets the guidelines for the site, that's fine. But pestering users about their questions being too simple or basic is not really OK. The network was designed for users of all ability levels, not only for master programmers with esoteric problems. If someone doesn't want to answer an easy question, fine. Move along to something more your style...
21:14
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I knew that MathOverflow was a special snowflake. I haven't dug into that one yet. Trying to get something that is workable for the other 170+ sites and then will deal with those trouble makers. ;)
But badgering someone for asking a question that was too simple... isn't really a good thing.
Et cetera, comments esse delendam!
@JoeFriend The current design changes as written would definitely end up violating the agreement. Is the current tentative plan to exclude MathOverflow, just like how Area 51 is excluded?
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Not sure yet. Need to dig into the agreement which I'm currently trying to locate. Area 51 isn't a snowflake. It's an red headed step child. Totally a code base issue.
@JoeFriend Also, what about Ask Ubuntu's second top bar? I believe that may be there because of a special agreement with Canonical.
21:22
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog it was already closed as dupe of that and reopened after being edited. I'm not sure enough to use hammer, sorry.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Yep. That's on my list too. That was already mentioned in the first post on the plans. Turns out that the top bars are inconsistent across Ubuntu sites, so current plans are to pull it but I need to look at the agreement and possibly talk to a real human on their side.
I am still a friend of my former FR BTW:
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Q: Apply a reputation loss for posting the 1st comment at any post

πάντα ῥεῖThere's a lot of complaint recently, about the culture of Stack Exchange sites, and how newcomers feel welcome, or just feel being minorized when asking questions. One source of these complaints are snarky and unnecessary comments placed on posts (no matter which quality they actually are): ...

@πάνταῥεῖ Would that be a mechanism for reducing rep below 1? If an OP with 1 rep comments first on their own question, would their rep drop to 0?
that'd likely be an exception
but in either case, you can't go below 1
21:41
@MartinJames No. Just to prevent unhelpful or mean comments, and forcing people to think twice if it's necessary to post a comment at all.
i mean... how would it do that
unless the majority of the "mean" comments are coming from people who would care if they lost 1 rep for posting a comment
It also penalizes users for commenting in very helpful ways - first. There's no way to interpret whether a comment is mean or helpful, so you penalize them both, which I don't understand. It just means that super high rep users won't care about the rep loss and low rep users will not help because they do.
I dunno how people are caring about their rep. I personally have left that beyond a long time ago.
@πάνταῥεῖ This would end my participation on SO completely
@KevinB I'm still waiting for any kind of list of those mean comments to appear on SO meta. AFAIK, I'm the only one who has provided any list of offensive comments, and they are all from OP's who got their questions downvoted/closed.
21:48
@πάνταῥεῖ I only have 111 rep on SO... so after a few comments just trying to help... I'd lose the privilege entirely.
Why so? There are so many tools you can use instead mechanically, without offending anyone in 1st place.
And _offences_ are so many.
@Catija Why do you think there's need for your comments?
without comments, posts cant be clarified effectively.
@πάνταῥεῖ you're assuming I'm offending people and not helping them. Remember, assume positive intent
Asking for clarification often leads to weird discussions ...
Instead what we'd end up with is a bunch of WAG for answers which IMO are completely useless
21:51
@πάνταῥεῖ It also is one of the best ways we have of improving the questions.
@Mgetz No people are assuming, they've been offended. That makes a difference.
don't assume other people are offended
Seen that, been there, I am still at the penalty bench.
it's worth noting that there is no crypt64.lib etc the names are the same as the 32bit versions. — Mgetz 6 hours ago
That's offensive?
because if it is you're very easily offended
Well, a colleague told us today in an official meeting that they found out that 64bit compiled DLLs don't work well together with 32bit compiled Delphi programs. I just thought: "What a great insight, should I clap now, or does he waste my precious time?". I just took a deep breath, and encouraged them to take on further.
21:57
@πάνταῥεῖ did he used to write 16bit components?
He's about same the age of mine, so probably yes.
Makes sense you used to be able to do it with 32 and 16bit
I'm in need of some of his factual knowledge though :-/
I need to know how they are using the underlying database system with accomplishing their business logic, not how the basic stuff works.
At school that would have been an F.
They're in the team to contribute about their business logic concerns, not about the blunt technical stuff. Thus I am feeling a bit of annoyed, especially when I have to suffer from a heavy tinnitus experience as I had today.
I am trying to soften my soft and social skills as much as possible. Even though I meet team members, who have their views of the world being cast in concrete.
22:28
Hey peeps, is 20.5 ℃ too cold?
naw
handy trick for temperatures given in C: if it's > 0 & < your age / 3 it's fine.
@JennaSloan I am preferring 19℃, but my colleagues just insist about 22℃.
At least I'll take over the air condition control finally :-P
@Shog9 That... is a very odd equation.
@Shog9 But 20.5 > my age /3
well, then it's too hot for you
22:39
@Catija Not if you're the author of the roommate agreement ;-)
23:11
@Shog9 guess I'll have to turn the thermostat down to 7 ℃ then
23:45
no longer reproducible, refers to old MSO which is now MSE: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/181776/…
@Shog9 Is my proposal to add cookie blocks derailed by GDPR?

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