I mean, I have specific issues. I voice them out sometimes. Sometimes I don't. But if you're unhappy with a place, you can either work out how to be a force for change, or... well find somewhere that works for you.
For instance, intentionally omitting mention to the arbitration clause in their Terms of Service email and then not responding to questions asking about why it was omitted.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog "Intentionally"? The now-bountied question about that hasn't been answered... sure... but I haven't seen any indication that it was intentional or if it was, that that intention was somehow nefarious.
I'm dissatisfied with the lower-and-lower response rate from the team on requests...a side reason why I wrote the post on how to get attention was to sort of get the team to understand that there are people waiting for responses
@Catija Given that there was much consternation and two featured posts about it after receiving criticism about it, it's pretty blatant it was an intentional omission. If it was unintentional, the team would have responded quickly, and there would have been no bounty.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ... from what I've seen on MSE and MSO, Shog and others have been much more frequently marking stuff as either completed or by design over the last month or so... I see 4-5 old requests getting addressed every week at minimum and that's just what I'm noticing, personally...
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That's... um... pretty unkind to say. The members of the team who've been dealing with these issues... by which I mean Tim... seem to have been extremely active and responsive when possible. It seems like their hands are tied a lot by the legal stuff that they're worried about addressing incorrectly, so they've been very measured in their responses to avoid giving out bad information that may get them in trouble... they've clearly had several mix-ups with the opt-out info...
So I can understand wanting to get all of their ducks in a row before pressing forward and putting more confusion into the mix.
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog quite literally... these are newer problems.
and well, its a big network, and most folk probably would find local laws confusing, let alone complex, multi-jurisdictional issues.
(I mean, I have a slightly better background in law than most non lawyer type, and most law classes left me with massive headaches)
And until recently... well, these things weren't issues.
Traditionally, SE's revenue was advertising and jobs based. With enterprise, you probably could get the client's legal team and your legal team talking or at least have a mostly standard contract for that service.
@JourneymanGeek And with Enterprise, it's being hosted on their own servers, so they've got their own security policy acting on it... Teams is a whole separate issue since companies need the standard practices of the Teams people to somehow jive with their own security expectations... which are extremely varied.
Well, the job posting is down, so either they've hired someone and haven't announced it or they're still interviewing but have all the candidates they need.
Yeah, the US/State governments will often have you fill out more standardized "application" forms to gather more info than you might put in a resume... they even specifically collect month/year of employment to see any gaps and get explanations for them.
Ugh, honestly I'm annoyed with the Travel HNQ about Samsung's Burgundy ad. While it's good that the OP has shown effort(?), it's so misdirected that it's not even in Burgundy, France.
I saw this ad recently on the back of a Korean newspaper
What is the city featured on this ad?
I would love to visit there during a stay in France.
The main cities in Burgundy are :
Dijon
Auxerre
Macon
Chalon sur Saone
Nevers
I am certain it is neither Auxerre nor Dijon. But I cannot rec...
to be fair, the whole arbitration/ToS/GDPR thing has been handled pretty horrendously, from the start to the end. Notice that this doesn't really mean I am trying to attribute any specific responsibility to anyone. The staff members we know seems to have their hand pretty tied up, and there are some suspicious comments that seems to indicate some of them are very frustrated with the free bad rep they got thanks to this and the situation they were casted into (cough cough Tom cough cough)
That said, having followed the whole process very closely, I can say I also get why some users are pretty annoyed by how the process was handled. From omitted details in mails, staff comments along the lines of "I know this is bad but I can't comment", the "it is not up to us to explain the ToS or how it integrates with conflicting 'local' laws" thing, conflicting requirements (see the whole "not sure the opt out mails that didn't specify a name count) and so on... I can totally understand why some users think this has indeed been handled very poorly.
@Derpy maybe it's all due to the management not understanding this whole arbitration/ToS/GDPR thing themselves? It's utterly complicated legal stuff, I doubt there are many people who really understand what it all means and how it should work.
They can hire bunch of legal advisers, but guess it cost millions.
yep, @sumelic, most of us probably know that. The problem is that most of us also seem to agree that this had to be "looked into" BEFORE it went live. — SPArchaeologistMay 24 at 8:15
@ShadowWizard all the others that posted topics on Meta asking why the process has been handled so badly, the ones that upvoted comments like the one I linked above and so on.
Sadly enough, this appears to be a bug as reported here:
"Car Accident" quest in the Goat Bay does not work. I get hit by those cars driving down the road, but the resulting 20 points lists no source. Trucks work fine, it reads those, but it doesn't read those cars as capable of inflicting "H...
> Inclusive project: As a part of our work on making Q&A sites more welcoming and inclusive we are investigating a variety of work including enhancing comment flagging, better supporting users in their early interactions, upgrading our Be Nice policy into a formal code of conduct and many other ideas. We will be sharing more about these efforts in future meta and blog posts coming your way soon.
From the DAG update
I'm interested what they'll come up with and if it's gonna cause another big firestorm on meta
Even announcing we're not going to change anything in the next 6 to 8 weeks will cause a firestorm on meta. We're in the phase that nothing is received well.
@rene The only winning move seems to be not to play
Which probably explains why tim et al have been mostly silent lately
I don't want to be tim right now, everytime he posts (heh!) it feels like there's 15 people accusing him of acting in bad faith or in service to some shadowy agenda
must be frustrating to have the community you spent years building turn on you over something like this
> , and there are some suspicious comments that seems to indicate some of them are very frustrated with the free bad rep they got thanks to this and the situation they were casted into (cough cough Tim cough cough)
@Magisch well there's also the possibility, that well, he also needs to talk to other parts of the company before answering, and there's a certain degree of lag...
Okay, electronic opt out stuff was cleared (GDPR makes everything about this harder when it comes to adding even one more byte of information about users that we store), I still need to get direct answers to a few more questions that, if I post a follow up still unable to answer, will likely have rotten fruit thrown at me. In related news, I think our lawyer might be plotting my demise, if anything happens to me his name is a. — Tim Post ♦May 9 at 18:26
@SomewhatMemorableName It is a bed time story now.
> For reasons unknown — perhaps Jefferson couldn’t make it to the end without dozing off — Calm has declined to include the entirety of the 209-page document in Once Upon a GDPR. Instead, the announcer says he hopes to offer “a taste of it by reading a lengthy extract from the 107-page introduction, and then, if you’re still awake, one or two of the more relaxing articles that make up the real heart of the document.” The entire recording lasts 40 minutes, by which time you should be well and truly conked.
This is a pattern like hundreds a week that do the same thing. It's just someone that got cross at you for one reason or another and decided to exact revenge in the most petty way possible
I wouldn't bother for only 3
Even when a moderator confirms the suspicion they have to alert a staff member which further needs to confirm the suspicion and then needs to revert the vote.
I feel like if it really happens hundreds of times per week without intervention, it's a systemic issue where people have found a way to skirt the rules without outright breaking them, which doesn't seem like a good thing
@Mgetz Okay, I'll give it a couple of days, see if it's really someone trying to avoid the downvoting rules. If it happens again a couple times, I'll call in moderator intervention. but yeah, 6 rep isn't really worth calling the authorities over
@Magisch yeah but at least in my case I could show they had DV'd other people and that broke the 'serial downvote' algorithm even though they were DVing posts they had no other interaction with. It wasn't worth my time to even try to raise it to a CM at that point.
@Mithrandir I spent a hundred hours or so burning through several hundreds of hours of mod time and a substantial amount of CM time to mildly inconvenience some people who were just a touch too unsubtle for the script
heh, I'm still bit surprised to see Shog programming once in while.
> The fix for the problem described above involved changing a call to List<T>.Add(vote) to List<T>.Insert(0, vote). Also a comment for the next person to mess with this logic
@Magisch what a nice, defenseless mind to brainwa You seem confused, little filly. Could I suggest you go and watch the full 7 already aired seasons of MLP:FiM so that you can once again find your inner peace?
@Magisch I've had imposter syndrome a lot.And well, there's nothing wrong in doing what you think is right, well, until someone goes "eh no" , and that's fine too.
And if it was a problem, you stepped back, re-evaluated, and... well, picked a different course without anyone kicking your arse.
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@Magisch sounds like extreme case of lack of self esteem, which is common in the non-extreme form. Or is this something else not related to self esteem? Did you try to treat it IRL?
I saw this ad recently on the back of a Korean newspaper
What is the city featured on this ad?
I would love to visit there during a stay in France.
The main cities in Burgundy are :
Dijon
Auxerre
Macon
Chalon sur Saone
Nevers
I am certain it is neither Auxerre nor Dijon. But I cannot rec...
Sadly enough, this appears to be a bug as reported here:
"Car Accident" quest in the Goat Bay does not work. I get hit by those cars driving down the road, but the resulting 20 points lists no source. Trucks work fine, it reads those, but it doesn't read those cars as capable of inflicting "H...
