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Félix Gagnon-Grenier

1:54 AM

@yagmoth555 Correct! Hello, fellow Québec person :)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:43 AM

chaos-emerald-pls one-more-close-vote-needed meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309908/… (@Shadow @rene)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

2:55 AM

chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309910/… (@Shadow @rene)

SmokeDetector

3:41 AM

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Journeyman Geek

4:09 AM

ugh. I hate twitter.

I mean, I tried to respond to something

and ran out of charecters.

thirce.

I DO NOT DO TERSE AS WELL AS I THINK I DO.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

There exist websites that split tweets and allow you to copy and paste the separate tweets. They usually add text like "[1/2]", "[3/3]", etc.

Journeyman Geek

ah. ;p

I just keep talking.

and talking

and...

;p

I could do that manually if I knew how talky I would be?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Also, I received a new answer to my bounty question. Just to be clear here, do you have any objection to my potentially choosing to award it the bounty?

Journeyman Geek

....

No?

Literally, dude, its your bounty

Do what you feel does the most good.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(as I said, I always ask question owners if they don't like the bounty being given to a certain answer, because I once had a case where a user complained when I awarded a bounty to an answer they didn't like)

Journeyman Geek

4:13 AM

So, just so we get it clear.

I usually tell folks, the point of a bounty is advertising.

But but...

that's only mostly true

it also lets folk say "this answer was super super awesome and if this was my question I'd pick it"

which is the case here

so, in general, always, if you award a bounty on one of my questions on a site where I could have done it, go ahead

the one exception is when I actually do it to help someone out when its an interesting question. But then telling me which answer helped the best is a condition of the bounty.

but this isn't a case. Knock yourself out.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

4:32 AM

0

Q: Did MSE chat just bork out for a second?

I was chatting on https://chat.meta.stackexchange.com. I just got a popup saying "there seems to be a problem connecting to the server, please reload". I refreshed, and I got my browser's "cannot find server" error. To see if it was just an issue on my end, I checked https://downforeveryoneorjus...

@Makyen As someone who's frequently involved in the SOCVR process, what's your opinion on meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309507/…?

@Catija You didn't take any pictures of Bennett at the airport that day?

Journeyman Geek

Oh. @SonictheInclusiveHedgehog if it's the latest answer on that question you want to bounty, I actually think it's brilliant

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek Yeah, I wouldn't have asked you again if I was referring to the same answer.

Because you already told me then that you're OK with it.

Journeyman Geek

4:56 AM

Yup!

Makyen

5:32 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog My personal opinion largely parallels the accepted and bountied answer by Isiah Meadows. It goes over most, if not all, the points which I've stated in SOCVR, and more. I feel that just the bare links are a bit rude and am against using them. OTOH, as supplemental material to an on-point autocomment, it can be beneficial. I don't personally use links to the site. If I did, I'm sure that I'd be submitting several PRs to improve the site's content.

However, it's been some time since I read any the content there, so it may be different from my recollection. Note that my point of view is a bit colored by already having a significant collection of autocomments for most of the situations which I encounter. Although, even if I did not already have such comments, I wouldn't feel that using just the bare idownvotedbecau.se URL as acceptable.

hey

idownvotedbecau.se is not needed if there's already a canonical FAQ on per-site meta describing "How can I improve my post?" with each answer explaining each reason and the recommended action.

Journeyman Geek

@Makyen Its an excellent answer IMO - even when you don't have autocomments

And while I don't do the whole "we need to be super cuddly to newbies" I don't think that approach teaches them anything they need to know.

hey

Like, we can actually migrate the content of that project hosted on github to SE, making it CW, then (almost) everyone can add/update them and use the "share" link on the answer, or beautify it with [Reason](link-to-answer)

user315433

Maybe change the domain to makeitbetter.by

user315433

Belarus instead of Sweden.

Makyen

5:45 AM

@hey If it's already covered in a per-site FAQ, that's great. Are they discoverable? In general, I've found that huge amounts of information is strewn around in various meta posts, most of which isn't well organized on a per topic basis, or at least isn't easily discoverable (e.g. linked from the help center). Frankly, while I'm someone who does read through the help center when I'm joining a community, it took a long time for me to know that there was a FAQ on Meta SO.

@bro A different domain would significantly help.

Journeyman Geek

@Makyen that's a thing.

SE does have a lot of "soft" rules, and a lot of it's kind of all over the place or interpreted differently

and a lot of folk assumes it works just like a forum

Makyen

@hey It's reasonable to have it, or at least similar content, on SE. I assume it's currently on GitHub because that was an easy way for the person to set it up, required less buy-in from other SO participants, and allowed them to maintain some control while also having the benefit of other people able to contribute. Part of it, probably, was that starting such a project on MSO/MSE might feel a bit more daunting to some people than just creating a GitHub repository for such a website.

hey

Fair point. I can imagine a general "How can I improve my post?" on MSE, and a specialized one on each per-site meta (if needed). But yeah, who wants to kickstart it...

Makyen

6:04 AM

@JourneymanGeek There are multiple problems. Many/most people who come to SE will have experience on other sites which are significantly different from SE. A lot of that experience will be with forums where they are used to interaction, rather than strict questions and answers, with minimal back-and-forth. Unfortunately, their experience on other sites many set them up for having SO not meet their expectations.

@hey That sounds like a good idea. Thank you for volunteering to spearhead the project. :-)

hey

heh ;p

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Makyen As always, I love how you're always detailed

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309915/data-simulation

Journeyman Geek

6:21 AM

heh

^ that is something I shall never quite understand.

@Makyen which I think is the cognitive dissonance many outsiders have.

they want it to be more like they're used to, when the main thing that makes us useful, is that we're not the same

user202362

is it possible to launder bounties?

Journeyman Geek

laundry?

launder?

Makyen

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Thanks.

Journeyman Geek

Getting caught would be bad - you'd basically get hit with a suspension for malicious sock puppeting at worst.

Get a good telling off at best

user202362

@JourneymanGeek corrected, ty

Makyen

6:26 AM

@JourneymanGeek Yes. I believe that is something that significantly contributes to the dissatisfaction which a significant portion of users experience.

Journeyman Geek

So..

when I was new to the network.

I spent a week trying to get to know the place

I guess no one has time for that sorta thing any more, but it helped ;p

@Makyen and probably contributes to the grumpiness of the entrenched users

Not that its anything new. Eternal September and all that

Makyen

In any community, you will find that you fit in better in the community if you take the time to learn the standards and norms of the community and at least attempt to conform to them. A lot of problems come from people being so focused on wanting an answer to their question, such that they are unwilling to do that, if they even understand that doing that is a thing.

hey

It's always Eternal Summer of Love in Iceland

Journeyman Geek

@Makyen quite.

hey

@Makyen yes, Changing new users' expectations of this site before they ask their question

Makyen

6:34 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog If you're interested, SOCVR's *-pls Request Generator userscript (GitHub) (install) was updated to work with MSE and the Tavern. It will semi-automatically generate such cv-pls requests from question pages.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Makyen Does it comment on the posts too?

user202362

I am not sure people who plotting to fit in so they can get the answers without contributing is any better than the ones who contribute by answering others questions as long as they don't purposely break the rules all the times.

Makyen

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog No, it doesn't comment on posts. It just sends the requests to the chat room you select. The Tavern is the default for MSE. Commenting on posts would mostly be the AutoReviewComments userscript.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

I'm looking for a single script that implements a single button to comment, downvote, VTC, and message here

Makyen

@hey While I don't necessarily agree with the specifics in that question, I do agree that SE should do more to make sure that new users are informed of the basics of how SE, and the particular site they are on, works, including the major differences between SE and what they might be used to. How best to do that, is unclear. What is clear is that what is currently done is not sufficient.

rene

6:53 AM

Do we have a nepali language site or a site where that script is used? If not revision 17 should be rolled back.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Why is this post being downvoted?

@rene OP approved it, it needs a mod to override the approval

Makyen

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I made some comments about a similar request on a now-deleted Stack Apps question. While it's certainly doable, I've generally not had the need for all of those functions in combination, at least not with a single invariable comment, so I've never put something together for a one-click solution to all of those.

user310756

@TelKitty still no foal

user202362

:(

user202362

user310756

7:06 AM

@TelKitty awwww

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog because meta is unpredictable and it's this unpredictability that makes is so easy for us all to coexist !! :D — Yvette Colomb 45 secs ago

user310756

stay tuned, more foal spam coming soon.. gives people time to leave the room :D

Makyen

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't see why overriding the approval is required. It should be possible to just roll it back, like any other edit.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@Makyen The suggester still keeps the +2 rep.

Whereas with overriding, they lose it.

John Dvorak

more importantly, suggestion privs and noisy feedback

Travis J

7:15 AM

@YvetteColomb Had my hand licked by a giraffe today :)

Makyen

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog True, but I don't see that as an issue significant enough to delay rolling it back.

user202362

Occupy the tavern! -By @Yvette's foals :p

Journeyman Geek

7:34 AM

@YvetteColomb I think people who don't like adorable animal pics to the point where they complain ... have issues

John Dvorak

(that's my shoulder, BTW)

Journeyman Geek

also, sorry about the attempt to zoom in at the end but

Monkey

►

we had a few visitors in the dog run that weren't dogs.

Or cats. Someone brought a cat to the dog park last week ._.

SmokeDetector

8:05 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: My gmail is going to my boyfriends phone by bella on android.SE

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

> When people say hackers are not reliable I laugh at them aloud.

@SmokeDetector K

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin title: کسب و کار در منزل و اشتغال زایی برای 6 نفر by npfile on academia.SE

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(Just noticed the voting animation on Android.SE. Thinking about what would happen when the ch-ch-ch-changes happen)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SmokeDetector K

Failed spam attempt in Persian

John Dvorak

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog check the translation. Abusive at least.

Journeyman Geek

8:14 AM

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog that looks a lot like they just scraped text off question titles

Makyen

"Home business and job creation for 6 people"

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@SmokeDetector tpu-

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Spam, dudes

I know Persian

It's my second language

@JourneymanGeek smart doggy!

John Dvorak

second?

Journeyman Geek

Woof!

lol

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:15 AM

@JohnDvorak yep

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

English is my main language, but I also know French, and can speak (not read) Hindi

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ what's your first?

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog handy when there's french spam I guess.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

My mother tongue is Azeri Turkish

Journeyman Geek

... ah? I guess?

Is that a dialect or something fairly distinct?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(I didn't pick up on enough Spanish despite living in San Diego most of my life)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

8:16 AM

Dialect, I guess. It's complicated

I can understand Azerbaijani almost all the time, and 60 percent of Turkish Turkish

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Just a curious question: is using a false English accent a good way to obscure who you are on the Internet?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

I can't hear you, so . . . maybe

Someone who can would tell it's fake, even if they're not an expert

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog no

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ They won't know my real accent

John Dvorak

> I'm-speaking-in-a-dialect-she-can't-understand
> Hey, look, metal ball, I can understand you just fine!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:20 AM

Fun fact: I'm very fluent in two English accents: both a SoCal accent and an Indian accent

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog They would know you're faking your accent

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ my dad speaks a sri lankan tamil dialect with folks from there most mainland tamils would find inscrutable ;p

On the other hand, chinese dialects are not mutally intelligble I think

hey

8:35 AM

@JohnDvorak SPAAAAAAAAAACE!

Singlish is best lah

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

46

A: Reversing a year long ban on Meta Stack Overflow

I purposefully waited a little while prior to answering this, and the tl;dr; version of this is I'm a sympathetic ear that thinks the question block worked in your favor. I'll address the suspension at the end of this post. Background Some years ago while our daughter was still quite small, she...

Journeyman Geek

Ya Lah. Our England the most powderful.

(also. I use the term "hollanded" everytime I can)

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek In reference to NL?

Journeyman Geek

No

I do believe its (hokkien?) dialect, and sounds more like hoe lan

user310756

Padawan joining the herd

►

user310756

8:44 AM

@TravisJ oooohhh where?

user202362

lol, that's a lot of horses in the area

user310756

I have 6.9 the neighbour has more - I actually don't know how many. They have over 40 acres.

user310756

oh are you referring to the sheep?

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I want to ask the same thing about this

user202362

I can tell horses from sheep :p

Journeyman Geek

8:47 AM

".9" 0_0

user310756

I know! hahaha

user310756

and then there's comments like this

user310756

@duplode: "This question is not a mere attempt to vent -- reading it should make that clear." Sure... eventually. But from the very title of the post (not to mention the random image macro), it looks like it's venting. It gets to constructive points, but a good post starts constructive and stays that way. This reminds me of the blog itself, in that whatever good it may be trying to do is far too easily washed away due to not saying it very well and adding points that don't really need to be there. — Nicol Bolas 15 hours ago

user310756

people wonder why users don't feel welcome... I honestly don't see it myself :D

user310756

apparently joking is only allowed for select members of the community. For people like me, you make a joke and you cop it.

user310756

8:49 AM

anyway - this is me venting - not the post I spent hours writing.

user310756

I hate meta

user310756

I'm going know... assessments due and all that.

Journeyman Geek

@YvetteColomb :(

hey

Unfortunately, people are indeed biased against certain people, especially if they had shown questionable behaviours before...

user202362

@JohnDvorak By the way things are moving on, I assume some people have very boring life

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:54 AM

@hey Like @JourneymanGeek

Three alternate personas didn't help.

hey

huh?

user202362

mean while, during the past week I have gone through 4 distinct mini-crisis points about different issues, talking about roller coaster life style

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Well, I was active on SE between 2013-14, and I behaved in a rather...immature manner then.

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog People can get better

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

You said I haven't gotten any better

Journeyman Geek

8:56 AM

That's now!

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(Or, you strongly implied that)

user202362

not yet over 3 of those mini-crisis, because still more to be done

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

(message conflict above)

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog and many many times have gotten annoyed by specific, current behaviours.

hey

@TelKitty still curious about the autonomous car...

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

8:57 AM

@JourneymanGeek Meaning?

Journeyman Geek

@YvetteColomb I actually think the current events have made meta a lot more toxic

3

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

To be fair, I was only 16 back then. I turned 20 a couple weeks ago

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog "hey don't do this?" "I need an explaination in detail why I shouldn't"

more or less

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

You refuse to give me even a basic explanation. Without any sort of explanation I won't be able to train myself what to do in a future case

user202362

@hey That's one of them ... the other two being the house constructed 2.5 years ago start to show mold and small cracks & deadline about a research I promised to complete this Friday. I like to learn new knowledge.

user202362

9:00 AM

this time, it's about something I knew literally nothing about

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek You and Makyen are polar opposites when it comes to explanations.

user310756

@JourneymanGeek agree

user310756

hey - this is my little boy who had the collapsing hind legs youtube.com/…

hey

umm, I'm afraid you can't expect everyone to be like someone you want...

Journeyman Geek

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog each person has their own voice and their way of dealing with things.

user310756

9:04 AM

@hey yes - also interesting fact. most people react badly to being ganged up on.. hell there's a post stating the site is hostile and you'd think acid had been doused over people.. I wonder how these same people would feel if the majority of their posts were systematically downvoted and piled on with horrible comments.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@JourneymanGeek I don't really like yours.

Journeyman Geek

True, but it works for me, and a lot of other folks

user310756

@hey No, but as the community exists, the site will come to a collapsing end.. . hence the site is acting the change it. It's unsustainable as it is.

user202362

it can change for better ... or worse

Journeyman Geek

@YvetteColomb I don't think how its happening now is going to help at all.

Folks are focused outwards

when in a sense, a lot of these issues are internal.

Journeyman Geek

9:27 AM

Answer posted

And I think folks are just super emotional now

user202362

I believe in making the system working around human nature and bring the better side out of it and not forcing human nature to change. Be nicer and helpful so others will contribute in return. Not forcing people to behave in certain ways - remember, it always work in both ways - site can ban anyone who does not obey its rules, and users can stop contributing because they no longer feel happy and appreciated when they do so.

user202362

if just a few people misbehaving on this site, it might not be ideal, but if most of your high rep users leave, this site will virtually collapse

yagmoth555

@FélixGagnon-Grenier cool ! :)

Journeyman Geek

9:44 AM

@hey not very helpful

@TelKitty well it depends. SO might be less affected

user202362

wanna see the percentage of reps earned by top 10% contributors

hey

@JourneymanGeek sorry, please trash it to sandbox/trash/wherever

Journeyman Geek

→ 1 message moved to Chimney

@TelKitty Reputation is just a number though

user202362

Tell that to Jon Skeet!

Journeyman Geek

I don't think he cares past a point

user202362

9:53 AM

Not him. But to SE, otherwise he wouldn't be invited to brunch ... and by the way SE send high rep users swags, I am sure SE cares

user202362

Ok, the 4th mini-crisis is ... if you hang around a social group, you need to continuously refresh others memory about you by turning up to events ... if you turn up to events less than once per a couple of months, eventually regulars will forget about you :(

user202362

Ok, not completely forget about you, but you will be re-newbified ... people will look at you and say, I think I might know you from a previous event. But they are not sure ...

Mithrandir

@TelKitty Indeed. I had a case of that the other day.

I'd been a member of a community since 2012. I popped into chat the other day and there was nobody from earlier than 2016. ._.

Nobody knew me at all.

yagmoth555

any users got the right to tell its opinions, and I respect it, its the way to tell that is important

user310756

10:21 AM

user310756

foal spam drive by

Princess Luna

@YvetteColomb awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

user310756

cue: Jaws theme song - it makes you want to shout out "watch out behind you"

user310756

10:22 AM

user310756

@PrincessLuna ikr! they're even better in real life!

user310756

@TelKitty not forcing people? :D

user310756

now this is what happens when you're very little and you try to come in for your dinner and there's a very pregnant cranky mare on the other side

user202362

@YvetteColomb nice, round, shining ....

yagmoth555

@YvetteColomb really cute

SmokeDetector

10:44 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: Domain Authority and Page Authority staying on 1 by jhonson56 on webmasters.SE

rene

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog ah, didn't notice that.

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@rene chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309918/…

yagmoth555

11:01 AM

someone know when the 30 day optout start ? I ask as I got no ´I agree’ to the new ToS. can SE enforce a new ToS without me agreeing it?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@yagmoth555 The date they were put into place.

yagmoth555

I wonder if they accept wildcard in the letter, in case I change my display name or email later on

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@yagmoth555 It's based on you as a person, not a specific account. Plus, you can always just omit your username from your profile URL and the link will still be valid

Princess Luna

^

The user ID is enough

yagmoth555

oki

Princess Luna

11:10 AM

It's the same with questions btw

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@PrincessLuna And answers

Princess Luna

Answers don't have titles

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@PrincessLuna Full-form links to answers contain the question ID and title. Those can be omitted.

user310756

@TelKitty hehe she's stalking the little foal LOL

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

Back when I first tried to use Smokey...

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Feb 22 at 0:39, by Catija

It's STILL NOT REPORTABLE TO SMOKEY!!!

user202362

11:21 AM

@YvetteColomb motherly nature? :)

rene

11:46 AM

@Taryn if you have a few minutes would you mind checking why the SEDE refresh for stackexchange.codegolf didn't succeed. Did the backup of the production database maybe fail?

Mithrandir

SEDE has been slow updating for a while. Puzzling.SE hasn't updated either.

rene

@Mithrandir hmm, let me check all of the databases then. Only codegolf had this catastrophic failure AFAICT.

Taryn

12:02 PM

@rene The job failed. Digging in.

rene

@Taryn I've also found 'StackExchange.Conlang.Meta_Temp' so that failed as well.

Taryn

Yeah the whole job failed.

Gonna kick it

rene

That is strange because some SEDE databases were up to date?

Or is it one job per site?

I better hold tight for a few moments: Cannot continue the execution because the session is in the kill state. A severe error occurred on the current command. The results, if any, should be discarded.

Don't want to interfere with the bird klling all kind of stuff ..

user202362

coz bird might eat the flower? :x

user202362

nom nom >_<

Taryn

12:16 PM

@rene it's a single job that goes through all the DBs, so some finished and some failed.

it's going to take a while to potentially rerun it, so go for a run. That's what I'm going to do

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I don't understand?

Princess Luna

@YvetteColomb Separate topic

Got nothing to do with the adorable horses <3

rene

@Mithrandir when the job that has been restarted by Taryn is finished succesfully we can run this (remove the and database_id < 10) to see if the databases contain recent records, assuming that is your concern.

It might be a couple of hours though.

user310756

@PrincessLuna yeh I know, I was wondering what it was about - the shouting?

Princess Luna

@YvetteColomb repeated reporting of NAA to smokey after being told not to

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:29 PM

Well, technically not repeated; read the transcript for more info

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog I didn't think you were told not to, until after?

user310756

I'm trying to grasp, did you feel unwelcome?

Princess Luna

You were told not to after the first report (in CHQ) and you still re-reported it in the Tavern

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

@PrincessLuna No, it was the reverse order. I reported a full-form link to an NAA answer here, but due to a bug in SmokeDetector, the question got reported instead. I then went to CHQ and saw that the question had been reported instead, and then as a test reported a short link to the answer instead to see if it was a bug in reporting full-form links to answers.

Princess Luna

//shrug

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

12:33 PM

To be honest, I thought it was reportable because it stood out to me as blatant abuse. Apparently, others didn't think of it that way.

user359686

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

cv-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309920/…

user310756

@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog there's too much stress - on the site and everywhere on the internet.. I suspect world overpopulation is part of the problem

Journeyman Geek

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user310756

seriously, the world is running out of resources

Journeyman Geek

12:43 PM

@YvetteColomb and people need to learn to listen

;p

user310756

and human behaviour is reminding me of rats, when they're over populated

user310756

@JourneymanGeek of c - but, we're not the easiest of species to deal with

Journeyman Geek

No we're not

But least as far as SE goes a lot of the current problems would be solved by people communicating more ;p

user310756

the thing (I've always tried to make clear) is SO can be hostile, but that's not unique to SO.. in fact SO is till a lot better than a lot of places.. I still think meta sux though :D

user310756

@JourneymanGeek communicating effectively

user310756

12:45 PM

there's a bunch of miscommunication

Journeyman Geek

@YvetteColomb that's a wee bit of a given

user310756

well yes, but it's not being solved

Journeyman Geek

I hope its a work in progress?

and ugh, I actually am trying to see what I can do with the current mess.

user310756

anyway we're a long time dead - so ... more important things

user310756

@JourneymanGeek I was...

yagmoth555

12:47 PM

SE can be hostile, and is, but at first I think SO need a policy, splitting rudeness from insult, and put a no tolerance for insult

Journeyman Geek

Not sure adding more voices helps, but gotta see if I can shift things just a little

@yagmoth555 eh, or focus on the fundamentals

every comment should be constructive in some way.

yagmoth555

as insult in chat is a direct 1 week ban, why in comment you can insult and get a warning is not fair and send a mixed message

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 chat is a bit of a complex problem

there's no proper protocol for chat

and stuff that works well for one site might not work for another

yagmoth555

@JourneymanGeek I agree its complex, but in chat you cant delete a message after 2m, to keep log I guess, on main site you can technically bully someone easily by erasing your comment after

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 mods can see. You can let them know with a custom flag, or hopefully over chat.

and doing that ought to get the book thrown at you.

also, chat moderation has two aspects

yagmoth555

12:51 PM

I agree, but if its a high rep user that insulted he get a warning?

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

delv-pls 20k+ dupe not worth keeping around: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309890/…

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 oh hell yes.

yagmoth555

like we discussed, there is no policy, and that lack of policy is what I dont like

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 its not about the people who do it

its what is done

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

On Wikipedia, many abuse cases often suffer from the "Super Mario Problem": if a non-administrator does something bad, they get blocked, whereas if an administrator does something bad, they simply lose their administrator privileges, while still being able to edit.

yagmoth555

12:53 PM

@JourneymanGeek I agree, but that lack of policy now make ppl post log on twitter to get revenge

Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog

...and only if they repeat the bad behavior will they get blocked.

Journeyman Geek

@yagmoth555 sigh that's a problem I'd like to address eventually

I'm not happy about that but I think it needs calm heads and a delicate touch

We have precious little of neither.

yagmoth555

In HR, in example, if you insult in the business, or in a parking lot before job, all count. SE policy is not the same at the moment, its why I think it got so many user talking about it I guess

Journeyman Geek

Well this isn't a job

Chat's a social space.

I think someone described Root Access as "Cheers with a friendly dog"

and that works for us ;p

yagmoth555

haha, yes, but on technet where I moderate, a user that insult, on wiki or forum or anywhere else get banned by the cm staff after the report

Journeyman Geek

12:56 PM

So, lets say there's an issue

I'd rather go "hey, that's not cool"

And it works!