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1:00 PM
its like me yelling at my kid and doing nothing, and after I hit with a full punishment
 
hah
I have a dog
Yelling does nothing.
I end up appealing to his sense of self interest.
 
I agree :) , I gave a example as i leanred the hard way, as I have 5 kids :p
 
I actually learnt a lot of being a mod from being a dog owner
I do positive reinforcement over negative reinforcement...
and having a dog where you need to tell him "sit, stay, do not move until called. Even if I can't see you" ....
Great training ;p
 
hehehe yeah
 
user202362
Speaking of dogs, I have seen this dog, one of the cutest dogs I have ever seen. But never seemed to be wagging tail or looked happy. Now sure whether it's this short leash problem ...
 
1:13 PM
Still waiting for someone to review my edit: meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/57693
 
Tag edits are slow @SonictheInclusiveHedgehog
 
@PrincessLuna The edit at first contained a typo, which I later fixed. Since users with 5k-20k rep can't "Improve" tag wiki edits, they have to skip them. Later on, since this edit was the only one in the queue, and since the top bar isn't lit up with just one pending edit, no one bothered to get to it.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Patience, my young padawan ;)
 
@Mithrandir It's been sitting in the queue for hours
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Tag reviews are slow. Everywhere
I had a tag edit on SO sit in review for ~34 hours before it was approved
 
1:24 PM
@PrincessLuna It doesn't specifically have to do with tag reviews. If there aren't enough pending edits to light up the top bar, it will remain stuck unless 1. someone else suggests another edit, lighting up the top bar, 2. someone prods another user to review, or 3. someone just randomly decides to open the review queue.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog So?
 
@PrincessLuna Again, users between 5k and 20k cannot "Improve Edit" or "Reject and Edit"; so if an edit contains a typo, they usually Skip it and wait for the 20k+ users to come around.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Again, so?
 
It can wait?
 
Exactly
 
1:26 PM
@PrincessLuna Back as the Anonymous Editor, just after the top bar was revised, my edits all of a sudden took longer to be reviewed. They went from being reviewed in minutes to being reviewed in hours. That was one factor that turned me away from anonymous editing and towards recreating my account
 
hey
@JourneymanGeek deja vu...
 
1 min ago, by Princess Luna
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog Again, so?
 
@JourneymanGeek For what? Someone else to suggest another edit to light up the top bar? Someone to just randomly decide to go into the review queue?
 
not everyone has scripts that stalk the review queues
 
1:27 PM
and those that do don't leave 'em open on every site
 
Exactly my point.
With one pending edit I can only suggest edits to two other tag wikis and excerpts. Whereas with zero pending edits I can suggest edits to three other tag wikis and excerpts.
 
hey
Shadow has stated that since the change in the review indicator, he stopped reviewing. So yes, there's a problem.
 
I think a big issue is the lack of an indicator that "there's something in the queues but it's not at danger level".
 
Dec 5 '17 at 8:12, by Shadow Wizard
Signs of the new new new and bad top bar: edit pending for 11 hours on MSE. https://meta.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/55241
2 mins ago, by Sonic the Inclusive Hedgehog
With one pending edit I can only suggest edits to two other tag wikis and excerpts. Whereas with zero pending edits I can suggest edits to three other tag wikis and excerpts.
@PrincessLuna ^^That answers your "so" question.
 
I still don't see a problem
 
1:33 PM
honestly @sonic you remind me of myself in '15/'16. something i learned - patience pays off.
don't complain that things are taking too long, just be patient. folks have lives and stuff.
suggested edits pending a bit isn't the end of the world.
 
You can take the wait and use it to and take a SE break :p
 
hey
Otherwise, find the source of the problem (e.g. review indicator) and suggest an improvement for that.
 
user194636
I'm surprised to hear people saying that suddenly slower reviews are not a problem
 
user194636
That has been my experience with new top bar as well
 
user194636
Sure, a specific suggested edit on meta.se might not be terribly urgent, but stuff being slower for no good reason surely cannot be a good thing.
 
1:45 PM
And tbh, people complaining about stuff like that makes me want to reject
I'm not - but ehhh
 
1:56 PM
hehe, dont fall to the dark side
 
I've had a challenging day. I know better.
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body: Suffering from Urinary Probelem by Aarush Sharma on health.SE
 
2:57 PM
sd k
I've flagged that as rude / abusive. It doesn't serve any other reasonable goal then to detoriate that site even further.
 
Anonymous
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog That’s a great name.
 
3:14 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog that . . . Is a problem?
It should be obvious that admins are more trusted than the random non-admin
Unless you mean it results in a lot of abuse from admins
Which would mean whatever process is used to choose them is rigged
 
hey
And I have this ISP which uses dynamic IP (common) which made Wikipedia greeted me with unread inbox to anonymous IP editor for vandalism. Twice.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Wikipedia has hundreds of active administrators. It's wrong to compare them to mods here, they're more like high-rep users. See Wikipedia:Glossary#Super_Mario_Problem
@hey "If this is a shared IP address, and you did not make these edits, consider creating an account for yourself to avoid further irrelevant notices."
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog not necessarily mods, but they're still different from the random internet user
 
3:47 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title: Is teeth whitening safe at 16? by kimrobert11 on health.SE
 
4:25 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Username similar to website in answer: taglist in iterm2 by oracleyue on apple.SE
 
5:17 PM
(Catija, you don't have Chaos Emeralds, but you commented on the question; I know the exact error the user is getting. Read the answer to the proposed target.)
 
6:17 PM
I came across yet another instance of "We are not a code-writing service" in the comments (which is something I've always found imprecise and annoying) and decided to Google site:stackoverflow.com "code writing service" to get an idea of how prevalent that comment was. As it turns out, the author of the first result disagreed with the premise: stackoverflow.com/a/31593703/1709587
 
Jack, I'm your teacher! I told you don't ask the internet without any own effort. — wenzul Jul 23 '15 at 16:40
 
@MarkAmery I really liked it when we had a separate off-topic close reason for questions that lack code - see meta.stackexchange.com/revisions/180032/7 for how the close reasons used to look back when the new closing system was introduced in 2013.
 
aaaaah it brings me no pleasure at all, @hey
but thank you
 
6:26 PM
Then, in 2014, they were changed to more or less the current ones. Of course, I was the one to make that edit, as you might expect.
 
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog wait, I don't see a "lacks code" close reason there
there's the SSCCE reason but isn't that basically the same as the current MCVE reason?
 
@MarkAmery It's the third reason: "Questions asking for code must demonstrate a minimal understanding of the problem being solved. Include attempted solutions, why they didn't work, and the expected results."
@MarkAmery SSCCE is the precursor to MCVE
(I don't really like the wording of that close reason, but I definitely like the gist.)
 
ah, right - the minimal understanding reason. I'm glad that one's gone, tbh; while I think lots of questions need more detail in their definition of the problem to solve, I think showing failed attempts usually always makes questions worse and pretty much never makes them better
"How do I do X?" tends to be a sufficiently well-defined question to answer on its own and many of our top-voted questions take that form
 
@MarkAmery Today, questions that just ask for code without attempts usually get closed as "too broad", which doesn't really provide the proper guidance. I do agree that the wording used at the time isn't really good, but I do believe there should be a separate off-topic close reason for that.
 
However, the only thing I can think of that would cause this on my end would be malware on my machine that knows my (web) email password, as the access logs of the web-mail show no device but my own. Any advice?
So, I've been suddenly logged out and had my current password is rejected while trying to login again. Reset password via email. Second time this happened, although I wasn't sure whether this was what happened the first time. My password for SE isn't particularly insecure (generated with an appropriate tool). I'm not even sure if this could be an issue on SE or on my personal end, so I'm not sure if and what I should even ask on meta or something.
 
6:33 PM
"How do I do X? Here is my broken attempt: [code dump]" is longer and is now implicitly asking two questions (one of which is "how do I do X?" and the second of which is "why doesn't my code dump work?"), which means that there's twice as much content for readers to wade through (and an accepted answer might not even address the subquestion they care about)
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog yeah questions asking for code are certainly often too broad - but that's because of a lack of question-defining work
adding attempts basically never ever solves that
it makes the question strictly broader, because an answerer doesn't know whether to come up with their own solution to the (still not-precisely-specced) problem, or to debug the provided code
 
But the guidance provided with that close reason, is itself (ironically) too broad
 
And my post order changed. Again...
 
@Discretelizard afraid I've got not much advice. With respect, the most obvious guess at the cause is PEBKAC; are you sure you didn't just misremember your password / have different versions in password managers on different computers / accidentally type an extra character into your personal passwords file / etc? If you're able to be certain that that's not what happened, then perhaps asking on Meta for a history of your password changes is a thing you could do.
 
hey
@Discretelizard check your login accounts first, then perhaps try "contact us" link on the footer of main site, or meta if it's more convenient for you
 
flags Mark's message as rude and wonders if PICNIC is as rude because I tend to use that...
 
6:46 PM
@hey I have one login there. I'm afraid that 1) 'sudden logout' rules out PEBKAC, but not 'device is being compromised' and 2) Given that I've had this problem before, I made sure to login (after reset) with the credentials of my password manager the last time this happened to verify that there were no problems (After saving it). I cannot rule out that I somehow messed up again, but it seems unlikely. Perhaps I should ask SE staff what could cause (1).
 
@Discretelizard did you join any new sites while you were logged in?
 
@rene Not today, no.
 
Because I was logged out y'day across the SE network after I joined a new site
@Discretelizard is your ISP trustworthy?
 
comes in
serious discussion
stepping back
 
I've never been in a serious discussion ...
 
6:57 PM
@rene I do hope so, about half of my country uses this ISP. Although I do have the suspicious issue that when on my personal network (and nowhere else), I often have to perform a request twice. It probably is just my network being shitty, but perhaps it could indicate a (attempt at a) man in the middle attack? No idea, I don't know a lot of infosec.
 
@Discretelizard you could try a VPN to rule-out interference (assuming the VPN provider is trustworthy)
@Discretelizard which browser are you using?
 
@rene Firefox, 61.0b2. My browser claims to be on the 'aurora' channel, but I think it is actually Nightly.
@rene Hmm, I do often use my university VPN. I'm not sure if that rules out attempts at interference. What could I actually do to test this? Inspecting packets?
 
@Discretelizard that is a dev build, right? Mine is at 59.0 atm but chrome is my main browser
 
@rene Yes, its a dev build. Works stable enough for me, in general.
 
So, uh, I just got spontaneously signed out, which is interesting given the current topic of discussion.
Never had that happen to me mid-browsing before. Dunno if coincidence.
 
7:05 PM
@MarkAmery Maybe I should check my cookies...
 
@Discretelizard you could check the certificates that get used on the https connection. Your browser offers that
 
logging @rene out
Hihihi, they'll never know
Hmm, who should be next? Shog sounds like a good choice
 
I believe moderators do have a invalidate user sessions but that is per user.
 
@rene yep
 
I totally imagine Shog9 reading the transcript and clicking that button for @MarkAmery. Now I wonder who is next.
 
7:16 PM
@rene What should I check? DigiCert seems to be the CA. I think that FF automatically aborts the connection on dodgy certificates.
 
@Discretelizard is it issued to Stack Exchange, Inc. ?
 
@rene Yes.
 
OK, that sounds good then
@Discretelizard do you have an acct cookie and as prov cookie from .stackexchange.com?
which should have an expire date in the future.
 
7:41 PM
@rene I do. only acct is marked 'secure'. prov has expiry in over 50 years. acct expires in 6 to 8 months.
After thinking a bit, it isn't impossible that my logout event was unrelated to my password. And that I somehow messed up again in resetting my password, which would be a case of systemic PEBKAC. But the staff should (probably?) be able to tell me how many times my password has been reset today, which would answer the question whether the events are related.
 
@Discretelizard yeah, email the team and they can confirm
 
@rene Oh, I did already use the contact form a while ago.
 
OK, either Jnat or Animuson will handle your ticket
 
Oh and why do they have such a tiny textbox when I can enter 5000 chars? I didn't even enter that many words and it was already hard to find my specific text by scrolling.
 
@Discretelizard because that form didn't get much love since 2008?
 
7:54 PM
@rene Was this acceptable in 2008?
 
to get this whole site up and running in 6 to 8 weeks? Sure, everything was acceptable as long as the frigging thing could go live
 
@rene Ah, I see. I always tend misjudge the age of websites.
 
user315433
8:09 PM
@rene In 2008-2010, /contact was essentially the email team@stackoverflow (which went to Atwood). web.archive.org/web/20101221212020/stackoverflow.com/about/…
 
user315433
The current /contact page went through a few iterations, the earliest of which is from 2013: web.archive.org/web/20130608095023/stackoverflow.com/contact
 
I'd actually expect a new one soon, due to GDPR. See:
That is, asking for email requires them to mention where they're going to use the email for and likely a checkbox in which the user will have to accept. (in case they don't already have it, I think...)
You might argue that the reason for providing an email address on a contact form is obvious, but I think they at least have to mention that they don't use it except to reply to your message.
 
@bro Hmm, nice
@Discretelizard wasn't it Nick Craver that wanted to simply block all EU ip addresses? I wouldn't push your luck too much with these GDPR issues ...
 
@rene I don't think EU citizens lose their rights when they are either 1) abroad or 2) use a VPN. I wouldn't push your luck either, those fines are pretty high...
 
8:24 PM
lol, true
 
8:47 PM
new t-shirt :D
 
user315433
9:19 PM
 
user315433
Such precision. OTOH it does not specify the year (not even on hover)
 
@bro If it's the current calendar year, it's not specified.
(If I may ask, is there a reason why you don't talk to inclusive people and hedgehogs?)
 
9:53 PM
Would one of the SEDE queries turn up who's posting the comments here: meta.stackexchange.com/a/309934/284336
Also, apparently 274K is a popular amount of SO rep for Robs.
 
10:47 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, bad keyword with email in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: Handling custom parsing and importing with Feeds by Maksim Yaroslav on drupal.SE
 
user202362
11:46 PM
@SonictheInclusiveHedgehog because negative bot is slow with learning, but keep it up, eventually tensorflow will work and you shall get your replies, be patient
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in body: How to buy your first bitcoin by Bruno on bitcoin.SE
 
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