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Shadow Wizard

23:02

@Mgetz huh, you're almost famous! ;)

@Mithrandir ouch. What did you make your poor laptop do? ;)

Journeyman Geek

23:20

oh god so chatty!

(lemme read the transcript ;p)

Shadow Wizard

lots of drama... TL;DR - SE is becoming a social network.

Journeyman Geek

@bro I honestly am starting to think that should be blacklisted

Shadow Wizard

In order to avoid hurting the feeling of new users, we will be expected to greet each, ask for a/s/l, and of course spoon feed each until they have their problem solved and all the code in their hands.

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks Squeeky wheels get the grease?

Also, I actually think Don't be a dick was a great rule.

Anonymous

@ShadowWizard Asking for someone's sex? You retrograde asshole!

Anonymous

23:30

You need to ask their gender(s) instead.

Journeyman Geek

In a practical sense you rarely if ever get someone who's "Asian" in the sense most americans consider it complain about, well things in terms like "Person of colour"

Anonymous

And then also their preferred pronouns, to avoid alienating them through assuming that any of he/she/they/it are acceptable.

Journeyman Geek

As an indian growing up in singapore, I find the term POC absurd

@JeremyBanks heh, I just use what they use, or prefer cause otherwise its a bloody headache.

If they use xir or something though...

Anonymous

The x- pronouns have been my favourite since the long past, because why are our pronouns gendered in the first place? But that's not my point.

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek How can we know what a new user prefers? If we want to avoid alienating users, we need to ask on sign up.

Journeyman Geek

23:33

@JeremyBanks and there's perfectly good non gendered pronouns in common use

Anonymous

I use "they" in almost all contexts now, personally.

Journeyman Geek

ah. When do you need gender in a programming question? ;)

Anonymous

> Please ignore Journeyman Geek's comment's, they're just an asshole.

Mithrandir24601

@JeremyBanks I have to admit, I'm not the biggest fan of the 'x-' pronouns. I would like to demolish the concept of gender though...

Catija

@JeremyBanks Flagged because it fails the Be Nice test

Journeyman Geek

23:34

(also, I'm still amused that this is laser focused on SO. Does SU have a inclusiveness problem? Does cooking?)

Anonymous

cough ServerFault

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks oddly enough, I'd consider that not nice because....

@JeremyBanks Serverfault is equal opportunity hatred

Shadow Wizard

@JeremyBanks a/g/l is a thing? I'm too old. ;)

Journeyman Geek

and there's a few prominent SF users who are... female or POC

(ugh. I really hate putting things in those terms. My perfect Ideal stack is a simple pure meritocracy. We live by our words, we ~~die~~ get downvoted into post bans by our words)

Anonymous

@JourneymanGeek By using the word "meritocracy" you have now been auto-classified as a bigot to many.

Journeyman Geek

23:40

@JeremyBanks I'd ask them to check their privilege then. And my record ;)

also watch them flail helplessly while I try to nice them to death.

Anonymous

Shadow Wizard

@JeremyBanks look who mentioned that word first in Tavern!

Sep 6 '13 at 21:09, by Laszlo Papp

Pops: it is clearly not smart people doing the voting at times. That is why many think it is not really about meritocracy either.

Journeyman Geek

Also quietly wait for them to accuse me of being white and nerdy or something. Then point out I'm brown, bearded and nerdy.

Shadow Wizard

Is he still suspended? Or was he just chat banned for nagging all CM's whenever he got downvote?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard ugh

Shadow Wizard

23:45

@JourneymanGeek hey there, brown has only one master, @jadarnel27. You can't take that title away from him! :D

Journeyman Geek

(that is to say, I once got my bag checked every single day by a security guy at a train station...)

One day I was like "Oh, no worries, I know the drill. We do do this every day"

"He was like sorry sir, I'm"

"Doing your job, its cool"

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek maybe he was just doing his job... :)

Journeyman Geek

.... never got bag checked again.

@ShadowWizard he was!

Shadow Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

Probably didn't even realise he was stopping the same guy every day.

Shadow Wizard

23:48

To be honest, that shouldn't really be relevant... if a person pass the check once, they can totally carry a weapon the next day. Good security guard will check regardless if they know the person or not.

Journeyman Geek

Yup. Then he stopped.

But but

Yelling at that guy wouldn't help

Shadow Wizard

what what

Journeyman Geek

being mad at him didn't help

Shadow Wizard

yup yup

Journeyman Geek

lol

he literally stopped stopping me

Shadow Wizard

23:50

You probably scared him! :D

Journeyman Geek

Yup!

But very implicitly!

And that's what I mean by dealing with people by being nice.

The problem I have with many 'activist' folks and (SORRY FOR SOUNDING RACIST) I wonder if its some kind of euro/american thing where everything is framed around grand conflict

its a gender war, its our people fetting oppressed.

I'm unhappy about a few things on SE.

but but

I talk about them in terms of something we can work together on

actually, quite a lot of mods seem to

so I'm probably talking out my ass for saying its a western culture thing.

Cause idealising indian or 'oriental' culture is dumb

we all have warts

hichris123

@ShadowWizard Well, there's a difference between being inclusive and being a social network. The former includes being kind to other humans, and thinking about word choice/how people perceive actions -- which can be achieved without becoming the latter.

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