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jcolebrand

00:52

What would you monitor to monitor what your IT department is doing? Besides RSoP. Assume a Windows network.

Sonic Wizard

01:46

Welcome back @Jeremy

Wikipedia:Please do not bite the newcomers

Wikipedia articles are improved through the hard work of both regular editors and newcomers. Remember: all of us were new editors at Wikipedia once, and in some ways (such as when editing an article on a topic outside our usual scope) even the most experienced among us are still newcomers. New members are prospective contributors and are therefore Wikipedia's most valuable resource. We must treat newcomers with kindness and patience—nothing scares potentially valuable contributors away faster than hostility. It is very unlikely for a newcomer to be completely familiar with Wikipedia's markup language...

Anonymous

02:07

@SonicWizard Turns out mod powers can be used to modify your own name network-wide despite the cooldown. :)

Catija

That's what I thought... you just had to change it on SO, right?

Sonic Wizard

@JeremyBanks Not useful if you want to use a different name on one site vs. all other sites

Anonymous

@Catija yeah. I didn’t realize that would still apply to cooldowned sites, but gave it a shot.

Catija

@SonicWizard It's fine as long as you have mod powers on the sites you want to have different usernames on... Like Rory does. :D

Sonic Wizard

I can't get mod powers here on MSE without becoming employed at Stack Exchange...so it's still not helpful

@Catija By the way, I forgot to ask: how did Bennett like the airport's viewing area?

Catija

02:22

@SonicWizard Fine, I guess? He doesn't talk about things yet, so I've no idea if he liked it or even remembers it.

Sonic Wizard

By the way, in case you wanted to start a flight log for Bennett...I'd be happy to send you (or anyone) the templates I use for my log

Journeyman Geek

02:37

@SonicWizard I donno. Mod powers on SE arn't that different from a 30ker

least other than flags

and that's achievable

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Wait, what are you talking about?

Journeyman Geek

sorry - fixed the reply. I've not really had enough sleep this week.

Sonic Wizard

That was in reference to early username changes...pretty sure you need to have mod privileges to do that.

Journeyman Geek

"early"?

Oh, sub 30 days?

Sonic Wizard

32 mins ago, by Jeremy Banks

@SonicWizard Turns out mod powers can be used to modify your own name network-wide despite the cooldown. :)

Journeyman Geek

02:40

ah yeah, that.

HTTPS

@JourneymanGeek Me neither... when I thought I could rest my eyes at 10pm, turned out I was awaken until 1am...

Journeyman Geek

I've literally changed my nickname only twice in all the time I've been there

lol

been working nights 4 days this week, and will be doing a fifth

Sonic Wizard

@JourneymanGeek Last month I used to sleep in the late afternoon, and get up at 10-midnight, and then stay awake the night, attend morning classes, then repeat

HTTPS

And I asked myself: "Was I that old?" because I heard that older people don't need longer sleep (dubious?).

Sonic Wizard

Still need more responses to that survey form...

Apr 15 at 14:53, by HTTPS

The Charcoal project wants feedback about SmokeDetector's behavior in the Tavern on self-deletion after FP feedback

HTTPS

02:45

Just curious, how many responses have it gotten? Because I'm not sure everyone wants to participate on the survey if they don't care about Smokey in the first place.

Sonic Wizard

8 responses

It's split: two say to turn off self-deletion, while the others are evenly split between keeping self-deletion turned on and delaying self-deletion until the very end of the self-deletion period

So I need more responses to get a more clear-cut view

HTTPS

According to the room's info, there are 9 frequent users (excluding Smokey). I think that's nearly enough.

Sonic Wizard

@HTTPS What are the criteria for listing there?

@SmokeDetector tpu- (errorsolutions.tech)

Catija

... whatever they are, I apparently don't qualify... :sniff, sniff:

Sonic Wizard

Well, neither do I, and that's why I was asking what the criteria are...

HTTPS

03:07

That's a good question for meta post.

Journeyman Geek

I wonder if it's aggregate chattiness but I've not been active here long

HTTPS

03:29

6

A: How is Chat's "frequently in room" sorted?

This is how it currently works: Take all users who have spoken in the room within the last two weeks, and whose messages in the room are more than one percent of all messages here, and sort them (in descending order) by their percentage of activity in this room (as in 2.) di...

in short: be noisy ._.

(but WP:BEANS, don't be artificially noisy)

Nog Shine

@SonicWizard This answer is outdated. Can you update it?

user315433

04:03

> whose messages in the room are more than one percent of all messages here

user315433

So if 150 people are equally active, then nobody is active.

Shadow Wizard

05:15

@Catija watermelon juice... I think. :)

No worry, only temporary until I decide on something more permanent... maybe just back to what I had before.

But since it's starting to get hot these days, wanted something cool and refreshing. :D

HTTPS

06:26

I'm thinking of changing username to "Yo!" or "Hey", but might be annoying...

Well, I still don't know the connection between "bro" and The Elk statue though...

other than bro has visited Portland recently...

HTTPS

06:38

ooph, 21 hours left...

πάντα ῥεῖ

07:19

"Meta" facepalm: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309256/… cv-pls

^Author deleted, it's gone now.

Derpy

yay for "It isn't even worth flagging anymore"

Derpy

07:56

please tell me this was a joke

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Derpy More probable a totally lost user with low research capabilities.

While trying to make sense of their unfiltered wireshark protocol dumps.

Nog Shine

08:47

What do the CM team do with the FR's proposed on per site metas which should be discussed on main meta?

HTTPS

@NogShine Umm, if it's okay for you, could you summarize how the mods (in general, without mentioning username) behave there?

Nog Shine

@HTTPS Sorry. I feel it is not good to talk about other site mods here. If they are present here, then we can talk.

HTTPS

@NogShine well understood, sorry for asking too.

Derpy

09:41

@HTTPS doesn't seem very related...

btw....

@ShadowWizard does this at all reminds you of something?

> As human beings with inevitable insecurities, we may signal our superiority to others through condescension. If I can convince myself that enough people are mediocre 80%-ers, then I’ll feel more confident that I’m definitely in that elite top 20%.

(this is taken from April article by the way)

HTTPS

If else, it reminds me of... me. Happened often when I learnt a new skill and wanted to ~~show off~~ use it. (e.g. answering Japanese language questions on Anime.SE)

Derpy

10:07

in Sugarcube Corner, Feb 6 '17 at 16:39, by Derpy

> If you can't be happy, at least try to make others more unhappy than you

if you want, follow the link to learn about the context that statement was made in

HTTPS

Yup, we have to find our inner self

(I'm probably talking a bit nonsense because TGIF...)

Derpy

10:31

@HTTPS "A bit". I will be honest - I do not understand your reply.

probably my fault too, that message alone isn't enough to understand the context.

Journeyman Geek

11:06

@NogShine in theory just treat them the same. In practice, I have no idea which tags get followed up on.

Nog Shine

11:25

@JourneymanGeek If theory is same as practice, per site meta also request for notifying for a close vote, notifying for deletion. If they are approved, isn't that a bias for a site and not for other sites?

Derpy

@HTTPS i.sstatic.net/zlPJX.jpg

Journeyman Geek

@NogShine i don't qyuite get

you mean like, that means one site can do a FR and no one ever sees it?

Nog Shine

@JourneymanGeek e.g A site requests for notification in the inbox for a close vote. It gets very good number of upvotes. CM approves that request. So, it means only that site will get that feature which need change in default SE features. Other sites won't get this.

Journeyman Geek

ah

that's unlikely to happen?

1) needs a dev. 2) chances are that other sites learn over the grapevine and ask.

also, something like that is a change in core mechanics and is unlikely

3)any changes go on that main meta post that @animuson administers

Nog Shine

I didn't get point 3)

Journeyman Geek

11:41

@NogShine if its something that can be switched on per site, there's a mechanism for mods to learn and ask about it

assuming the mods are active on the main meta

also quietly twitter stalking a few key people is helpful

I learn a lot of what's happening/will happen from following shog and nick ;p

Nog Shine

I follow Shog but I don't stalk him completely.

Journeyman Geek

well I treat twitter as a second news stream for SE

What was that phrase.... Sometimes we are told what we require and no more. Its useful for learning things before we're told what what we require and no more ;p

Derpy

12:16

@JourneymanGeek It is not what you "need". It is all about minimizing awareness so that impacted users will cry less. Same reason all positive rep gains are notified to you, but some of the rep drops are silent unless you notice and know where to look. :P

Journeyman Geek

@Derpy which is why its useful to get information before - I learn about some things weeks before official announcements

HTTPS

I just arrived at home. I think I'm more sober now...

Shadow Wizard

13:36

@Derpy not really... Should it?

Derpy

14:06

@ShadowWizard reply is a little below that message. The bold part in the passage I took from April article is very close to my old "If you can't be happy, at least try to make others more unhappy than you" statement

@PrincessLuna adventu solis occultantur stellae

Princess Luna

Huh?

Derpy

@PrincessLuna It is Latin for "When the sun comes, the stars hide".

Princess Luna

Just remember: When the stars come, the sun hides :3

Derpy

Which roughly translates to "It is day now, you should be sleeping"

user315433

Suffering leads to anger. Anger leads to comments. Comments lead to blog posts.

user315433

14:24

In today's news, SO is "a bastion of racism, sexism, elitism and privilege."

user315433

Today is also Adolf Hitler's birthday, so I suppose there should be some celebratory banner on the site.

Derpy

I suppose that reductio at ridiculous is an option, yep...

Feeds

14:41

I found a copy of The Life-Changing Magic of Tidying Up, but the idea of reading it didn't spark joy, so I gave it away.

Sonic Wizard

15:34

@rene @Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309260/…

Sonic Wizard

15:47

@Shadow chaos-emerald-pls meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309271/…

user310756

user310756

@TelKitty ^^'

user315433

16:05

> Today is a special day; 10 years ago the very first commit was made to Stack Overflow by none other than @jarrod_dixon - happy first commit! pic.twitter.com/tey7Zu8ABp -- Geoff Dalgas at 8:35 AM - 20 Apr 2018

Nog Shine

Today is a special day; 10 years ago the very first commit was made to Stack Overflow by none other than @jarrod_dixon - happy first commit!

Tweeted by SuperDalgas on April 20, 2018 at 3:35 PM

This is better. :)

user315433

s/better/bigger/

Sonic Wizard

16:22

We're all waiting for the big day: July 31, 2018

delv-pls 10k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309165/…

HTTPS

16:46

@SmokeDetector t0xiC

rene

17:07

Joe Friend is filling the front page of MSO ... ;)

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

17:37

@rene link . . . I'm too lazy

@bro bitter

HTTPS

the CSS bug on chat tob par has come to me...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@HTTPS what did he bring?

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ lazy

HTTPS

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ From Cozy/Confortable to Compact

πάντα ῥεῖ

@rene Unfortunately no boats to rent there yet. But the weather was fantastic, and of course she took a bath in the lake (her 1st lakey swim out this year). I believe she would even take a bath in ice water :-D.

rene

17:43

@πάνταῥεῖ as long as she doesn't take a dive when it is solid frozen ... ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

There's still snow at all the mountains (even lower ones) surrounding

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene unicorns can easily do that

rene

You have to ask @πάνταῥεῖ if his daughter is a unicorn. Don't be surprised if anyone gets offended in that process ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

^That ಠ_ಠ

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene huh, I confused her with Yvette the horse keeper

This is not awkward

-2

Q: Help users transform images with math to TeX formulas (there is free software for this)

On sites like CrossValidated (but I guess this applies also to the math sites etc.) we often have users who post math formulas as pictures, rather then using TeX formatting that is supported by the platform. Some of the users are unfamiliar with TeX, some just lazy, yet it would be nicer to have ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:52

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ That's utterly awkward

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Humble request: Can people with insufficient knowledge of math sites etc. moderation refrain from voting up there or retract their downvote?

This feature would be very useful

@πάνταῥεῖ </sarcasm>

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ So now you offended also @YvetteColomb ... I would hide ...

πάντα ῥεῖ

Well, FRs are FRs and received as usual.

HTTPS

I remembered there was a meta question on science.SE (forgot if Math or Physics) asking to implement tools to assist in writing TeX too.

and now I'm missing it...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ but the majority of the users here don't know much about sites using TeX

rene

17:55

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I'm a trained down voter, trust me ...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@rene I think it would be an honor for her to keep unicorns too

πάντα ῥεῖ

If so one needs to ask an FR to all these math related site meta's individually. I don't see that should be done network wide.

rene

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ that is true

HTTPS

Male unicorn? Female pegasus?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ that is like, 8 sites :/

πάντα ῥεῖ

17:56

And?

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

Stuff concerning 3 or more sites can and should be asked here

I will ask one question on our own meta most probably

HTTPS

Anyway, unrelated meta post: "In my feed I got this "user was removed" and - 5 reputation. What does it mean? Am I having any kind of trouble with this? → checking OP's profile → This account is temporarily suspended for voting irregularities

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

What are the chances that the 8 downvoters came from math, Chem, Physics, Cross Validated or few other sites which are definitely not SO? :/

@HTTPS haha that has happened to me at least twice

Checking the profile, not the suspension

Anonymous

0

Q: Update the Terms of Service to reflect the established community consensus on shared accounts

In this recent question the issue came up as to whether shared accounts were permitted on Stack Exchange. I remember this having been discussed many times over the years, and the consensus has always been something like (my paraphrasing): Yes, you can share an account if you want. It's not li...

bug user-accounts legal terms-of-service

Anonymous

Whether it's a good idea or not, this decision should be made by the community, not imposed on it.

user310756

18:24

@rene erm.. I'm someone's step daughter? or a horse keeper?

Journeyman Geek

@JeremyBanks I always thought that was a no

πάντα ῥεῖ

@YvetteColomb We dunno. @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ brought that up :-/

user310756

@πάνταῥεῖ hmm

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Yvette hope you're well again.

user310756

improving, still crook, annoying, Thanks for well wishes

πάντα ῥεῖ

18:41

@Yvette Get well soon. We need you ;-)

user310756

I'm modding quietly in the background. not chatty, tired

πάντα ῥεῖ

19:20

sd tpu

Oops that wasn't really my intend. I wanted to have the link blacklisted, not the user.

HTTPS

> www.geatvee.com -- Domain is available!

:/

facepalm, it's a typo of GetAvee.com -_-

user315433

I think the answer may be legit, if low quality

user315433

19:36

Avicii - Wake Me Up (Official Video)

►

user315433

> 1,472,603,439 views

user315433

I don't remember YT being so precise...

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

20:03

@πάνταῥεῖ I was thinking it would be awesome for someone who keeps horses to keep unicorns, and I inserted that into a continuation to @rene's joke, but the labels got awkwardly misplaced cc @Yvette

@bro post on their meta

Unfortunately, the serious point I was making which was about the FR got lost

πάντα ῥεῖ

It's always interesting to see (as a non native english speaker) how easily confusions from aweful, awesome can turn to awkward.

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ As mentioned, FRs are handled as FRs. No need to drag about people who understand math. I believe that more than 80% of the people participating here do that well.

Princess Luna

@bro Did you know Avicii died today? :/

πάντα ῥεῖ

Looks like I'm going to be a 1%er :-P

user315433

I suppose posting his video wasn't a coincidence.

user315433

There is also awkful (adj.): involving a copious amount of text processing

πάντα ῥεῖ

20:12

@bro I've done some stuff using awk decades ago :-D

All of my better skilled colleagues still stick to sed, even nowadays.

M.A.R. ಠ_ಠ

@πάνταῥεῖ and I believe this one was handled wrongly, is all

Based on an incorrect and bold assumption that holds true only for screenshot SO questions

πάντα ῥεῖ

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Why do you believe so? That math formula rendering FR was asked for several times (even at Stack Overflow), and got status-declined all the time.

There's certainly no need to bring that up network-wide.

We're slackers, seriously we are (@rene pointed that to me quite a significant time ago)!! How can low researched s**t like this survive that long otherwise?

user315433

20:51

As far as site-recommendation questions go, that one looks okay.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@bro Low researched and obvious for my taste.

Aaron Hall

Happy Hour! raises a root-beer

Catija

You're two hours early ;)

But I'm glad you're happy already.

πάντα ῥεῖ

@Catija Oopps, I opened my 5th or 6th already :-P

Sonic Wizard

delv-pls 20k+ meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309281/…

Shadow Wizard

21:08

needz onez morez

Sonic Wizard

@ShadowWizard Use my hidden message image

Shadow Wizard

@bro since 80% of the views are fake it doesn't really matter

(fake means bought for money)

πάντα ῥεῖ

Does anyone have a good reference about "moving targets" and continuously editing users, without improving their main points asked regarding to make their questions on-topic at a site?

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard nah, too confusing for the poor people around here

Sonic Wizard

It's facing the opposite way, plus it has a wand

πάντα ῥεῖ

21:12

Since most of this case is commented in english, I believe you could get a grip, what's currently going wrong here: german.stackexchange.com/questions/43641/…

And yes you have to drill down into that particular user's posts ...

Shadow Wizard

@SonicWizard I'm afraid very few people pay attention to those small details, especially in small avatar versions...

user310756

@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

21:28

^ @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Well, a similar joke hit you like @Shadow did: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6862267#6862267

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ hmm?

I don't smell now :(

And it wasn't a joke just funny when out of context. :P

Journeyman Geek

which is kinda the point ;p

Princess Luna

lol

Shadow Wizard

Anyway, think Horse Keeper isn't something insulting... right? @Yve

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard That was cool and turned yourself awkward :-D

Shadow Wizard

21:32

@πάνταῥεῖ nah, since you can't smell me I'm fine with that. :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard It was @Journeys turn ;-)

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ you know it didn't ping @Journeyman right? ;)

@Journey's will ping him though

That character is small, but important! :P

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Sure, that would have been an awkward action :-D

Shadow Wizard

You afraid to ping people?! @πάνταῥεῖ :D

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard I mainly avoid it, but I'm not really afraid to do so.

Shadow Wizard

21:36

hehe

buying ping bomb

@bro isn't there any mark on YouTube he's dead? Being a social network, I expected there would be something...

Princess Luna

No, youtube doesn't do that

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Similar as LRIO was asking recently?

Princess Luna

Especially not when it's been like 4 hours or something

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna weird

anyway, that's indeed a good song!

Princess Luna

Yeah ^w^

And it's still all over the internet:

//lmgtfy avicii dead

user359686

21:40

google.com/search?q=avicii+dead

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna sure it is... he's super celebrity

Princess Luna

was* :/

Shadow Wizard

still is, being dead doesn't stop one from being celebrity... I think... :)

πάντα ῥεῖ

^That

Princess Luna

true ^^

Shadow Wizard

21:41

lol ^^^

user315433

A tattoo of up/down voting arrows, that's an idea.

Princess Luna

lol

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ Liroy Rian Ian Onion?

πάντα ῥεῖ

???

Shadow Wizard

(aka if I had any idea what LRIO means, I could answer your question...)

ICPSTYK

BNWU

πάντα ῥεῖ

21:44

Ah, Lightness Races in Orbit is a well known user at Stack Overflow, and recently asked about that at meta. Gimme a little bit of time, and I'll give you the references.

Shadow Wizard

@bro left hand downvote arrow, right hand upvote arrow. You give the proper hand according to how much you like someone when shaking hands. ;)

πάντα ῥεῖ

I was a bit rude and borderline there as usual :-D

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ I'm... not active there.

πάντα ῥεῖ

I realized that of course

Shadow Wizard

voting to close chat message as off topic - belongs to specific site

:D

Princess Luna

21:45

I am, never heard of them

lol

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna I did, on MSE, but never saw that acronym

I just recently learned of YCS, lol

Princess Luna

YCS?

Shadow Wizard

...

+++

!!!

πάντα ῥεῖ

Here we go: meta.stackexchange.com/users/155739/lightness-races-in-orbit

Shadow Wizard

You_ Commo_ Sen__

@πάνταῥεῖ I know him... still amazed how he choose his avatars. lol

πάντα ῥεῖ

21:48

@PrincessLuna No, he's very different from that kinda i***t.

Princess Luna

From that kinda what?

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Yeah, that already was a very point of discussion (about sexism and such)

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ think he started that to get more attention and votes, but not sure why he keeps doing it now that he got more than enough of those...

user315433

184

Q: Off topic questions have to be cleared out of the way, but NOT via closure

Recently I ran across a particular question on Stack Overflow. Despite its being quite easy to answer, it has got no answer yet (and most likely won't, as questions older than a hour hardly receive any attention anymore). Besides that, the OP told me that he wants an answer from a professional de...

discussion

πάντα ῥεῖ

@PrincessLuna It's simply like a crosswords puzzle, just put in the letters :-)

user315433

21:50

One of rare constructive contributions of YCS to Meta.

Shadow Wizard

//lmgtfy i***t

user359686

google.com/search?q=i***t

Shadow Wizard

huh

encode the value, @Pri ;)

Princess Luna

bug

scheduled-for-fix-in-6-to-8-weeks

πάντα ῥεῖ

@bro They rarely had shown up as constructive. But what do you expect proposed that PHP is more a mental disease than a serious programming language.

Shadow Wizard

21:52

@PrincessLuna hopefully not @rene's 6-8 weeks! :D

Princess Luna

lol

maybe XD

You never know :D

Shadow Wizard

let's try different approach....

user315433

0

Q: Our site logo's broken :(

As of now, our site's logo in the mid-top bar is broken, both on Crypto.Meta.SE and on Crypto.SE. Here's a picture of either site's logo: This bug was confirmed in private by a co-mod of mine and by Maeher in The Side Channel, so it really seems to be a more global issue. Can we please have...

bug featured

Shadow Wizard

Fix it, or else! @PrincessLuna

user315433

A rare featured bug report.

Shadow Wizard

21:54

:D

πάντα ῥεῖ

Well, I have to admit, that I'm starting to get deeper into Delphi. But it seems to be more the major devs faults, and can't be blamed to the language originally.

user315433

But the main site logo looks okay to me. Meta is broken for sure

Shadow Wizard

@πάνταῥεῖ I programmed in Delphi for few years.... Delphi 3... it was more Pascal than Delphi actually. It felt... old. But it worked!

πάντα ῥεῖ

@ShadowWizard Sure. Every programming language works. It's your turn to get knowledged how the compiler exactly works.

The first thing I was looking into more depth was the assembly level stack framing and such stuff.

20%er

@userunknown german.stackexchange.com/questions/43641/…

Vielleicht bin ich diesbezüglich etwas "abgeklärter" mittlerweile: Die Nutzer kommen hierher (german.stackexchange.com in diesem speziellen Fall), und fragen uns Ihre Hausaufgaben zu erledigen. Das ist nicht mit dem Spirit von Stack Exchange vereinbar IMO. Ganz egal, ob die Hausaufgabe eine interessante Frage aufwirft.

^ Sorry Everyone!

Sonic Wizard

22:25

6 hours ago, by Sonic Wizard

delv-pls 10k+ https://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/309165/i-have-a-question-about-an-objec‌t

Catija

23:04

...So... I see we're all done with happy hour and it's only four minutes in.

user315433

A small preview of what to expect when ch-ch-ch-changes begin to roll out: Why Does This Site Persistently And Systematically Mock Its Users? on math.meta.stackexchange.com

Catija

People writing questions in title case?

user315433

Yes, And With Furious Anger.

user315433

I, for one, don't mind font unification. Georgia is nice but old-style numbers aren't really suitable for writing math. (Hence, 1500 in Lucian's post is in MathJax.)

Catija

I'm pretty sure that fonts are a big consideration for several sites and may be made one of the exceptions for the unification for that very reason.

user315433

23:14

It's said that serif goes better with MathJax, which is true, but most of MathJax enabled sites, including MathOverflow, use sans serif fonts anyway.

user315433

Maybe. Otherwise, this could be Joe's headstone:

user315433

Three headstones down, I got a call from my mom and it went from bad to worse.

Catija

I'm sure there are studies about it but I think sans-serif is usually easier to read?

user315433

Other things being equal, which they are usually not for different typefaces. Georgia works fine on English and Christianity, and both designs would lose something if they go sans-serif.

Catija

Yeah, ELU would look odd with Sans Serif fonts for the post bodies...

user315433

23:21

TIL on Christianity, Georgia is a fallback; the full list is 'LusitanaRegular',"Palatino Linotype",Palatino,"Hoefler Text","Book Antiqua",Georgia,serif; I probably don't have most of those fonts.

Catija

Wow, that's a deep cascade...

I can understand why they want to simplify.

user315433

Anyway, the mobile theme has the same boring sans serif for all sites already, and people manage.

Journeyman Geek

'manage'

Catija

But the mobile theme doesn't have the site themeing, so the mismatch isn't as obvious.

Journeyman Geek

an in theory one of the results of the new responsive themes might be sites that work properly on phones.

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