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user202362

00:16

user202362

All my three chooks @Yvette

user202362

@SFTP Could you please explain why you would vote for 3 ppl? I am curious as to the number of people you would vote for.

user202362

00:36

Since it's so quiet, lemme spamming this chat with pictures of water and rocks ...

user202362

and some sand ... taken by me a few days ago

Journeyman Geek

delvote-answer-plz this-person-is-on-the-good-stuff meta.stackexchange.com/a/308106/135565

user310756

@TelKitty they're beautiful

user310756

00:45

@TelKitty so beautiful

user310756

@TelKitty what breed are the chickens?

user202362

01:10

@YvetteColomb Front is a silver laced wyandotte, middle one is a lavender araucana, the one behind I am not sure. It is possible that the wyandotte is not a pure breed.

Journeyman Geek

02:04

.... For a moment I read that as a silver laced lycanthrope..

user202362

02:47

@JourneymanGeek have you got your swag?

user202362

@YvetteColomb good taste!

user202362

I had 2 people with inferior taste told me my chickens were ugly :p

Journeyman Geek

03:03

@TelKitty not yet

user202362

me neither

HTTP

03:22

.... For a moment, I read "estate" as "eState"

SmokeDetector

04:09

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How can Cyclops' optic blasts burn or melt objects? by Clycops on scifi.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Is it possible to lose or gain magic blood? by Clycops on scifi.SE

user315433

04:30

One more dv, so we don't have to spend 3 del-votes? SO: Is there any exercises for binary tree with answers online?

HTTP

@SFTP done

user315433

\o/ Preserving a closed, no-answers, no-comments (!) question for 5 years is kind of pointless.

user202362

don't try to avoid the question, downvote and delete share the same first letter

HTTP

hence the ambiguity of dv-plz

user202362

dodgy ppl

HTTP

04:41

woof.

user202362

I need voluntary victim(s), every now and then I have this feisty tendency

user315433

Current map of SO candidates

user315433

An obvious outlier: Stephen Rauch with the most edits (by far), and also most reviews. Member for 1 year, 3 months.

user315433

Two purple outliers who don't downvote, also don't do much else moderation-wise.

user202362

04:54

"I can not give you an answer, so I will throw a bunch of data in your direction and hope you forget what you are asking for while staring at those numbers"

user202362

good try

user315433

I'm tempted to switch from my previous 1-2-3 idea to a completely different one, to shake things up: Stephen, Yvette, Samuel.

2

user202362

I will take your word for it @Yvette

HTTP

Art, Magisch, Rob, for Charcoal to rule ~~the world~~ SO

user315433

One vote doesn't mean much on SO...

user315433

04:57

Somehow, writing software for meta-SE activity has inverse correlation with normal use of SE.

user202362

starring more things for faster turnover and fresher goodie goodies

user202362

wonder whether cornered, shy slippery ppl tend to turn passive aggressive

Journeyman Geek

05:13

@SFTP its a bit like you find many mods use the sites proper less, even if they're otherwise fairly active

HTTP

They're active behind the scenes? (mod flag queue)

Journeyman Geek

yup

or our patterns of usage change a little

user310756

@TelKitty huh

user310756

@TelKitty oooh to do what?

Journeyman Geek

@HTTP arf arf woof awooo.

user310756

05:20

@SFTP that's interesting.

HTTP

@JourneymanGeek that's what the fox says?

Journeyman Geek

Erm, no

Foxen make the most terrifying noises

user202362

user310756

awww

SmokeDetector

05:57

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Qu'est-ce que cela a été vu à travers by Dien1965 on askubuntu.com

SmokeDetector

06:25

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Si vous n'avez pas commandé le produit, by Love nce on drupal.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Martyr concept in Hinduism by supravat mohanty on hinduism.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Can't ping or connect to my IP from outside by pol on superuser.com

SmokeDetector

06:55

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: Martyr concept in Hinduism by supravat mohanty on hinduism.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected, blacklisted user: Martyr concept in Hinduism by supravat mohanty on hinduism.SE

Shadow Wizard

07:37

@YvetteColomb of course

plz-nuke boyfriend meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308108/… @Bart @rene @TravisJ @JourneymanGeek @Glorfindel

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard CVed

waiting for closure to delete

Shadow Wizard

:)

user315433

At least half of it is in the right place, the "Exchange" part fits.

Shadow Wizard

huh? Only 16 users here?? That's a record... (for lowest number)

Even Den got more sometimes...

@SFTP yeah probably that's how that lost soul found this place....

user315433

There's a theory that "Tumbleweed" is adding mild insult to injury. Overreaction?

Shadow Wizard

07:39

@SFTP yup. People don't get its true purpose.

user315433

Does it have any purpose?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard SE's mostly dead on weekends

MSE's worse ;p

Shadow Wizard

126

Q: What is the purpose of the tumbleweed badge?

What is the purpose of the tumbleweed badge? Why is asking questions no one answers or looks at a desirable accomplishment?

HTTP

@ShadowWizard probably due to the blip yesterday?

Shadow Wizard

@HTTP blip?

oh your name is outdated, @HTT

HTTP

07:44

@ShadowWizard SE said it would implement HTTPS in 4 days...

Shadow Wizard

@HTTP you're living in the past, HTTPS is enabled anywhere in SE... :D

HTTP

18 hours ago, by rene

chat blip

Shadow Wizard

!!/report meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308109/…

@HTTP But @ThiefMaster who never talks still lurks here, i.e. wasn't logged out...

unless he has some super-auto-login script?

user315433

@ShadowWizard I think it's genuine tag request

user315433

Can't create a tag on SO for their open sourced thing.

SmokeDetector

07:50

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: help me create tag 'rainbond' by barnett on meta.SE

user315433

Copied the description of the project from GitHub repo for context.

HTTP

nuked? self-deleted?

Journeyman Geek

self deleted

Cause, being helpful actually works sometimes ;)

HTTP

except... the user doesn't have any rep to post on child-meta...

Journeyman Geek

He could post a question with the other tags and use that to post on meta. But ugh, that's not exactly obvious

SmokeDetector

08:03

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: was krishna a yogi? I think he was a lustful, lecherous, characterless bhogi by pkmohanty on hinduism.SE

Shadow Wizard

@SFTP no, it looks like pure advertisement.

People can advertise open source stuff too, it's still spam.

rene

@ShadowWizard no more boyfriends

Shadow Wizard

@rene good!

Now let's hope the boyfriend won't come and ask a counter-question... :D

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard Its not a great tag wiki

But I'd rather deal with the guy from the assumption he's lost and has slightly better intentions

(and IMO it worked?)

rene

@ShadowWizard Kenny kept running as well, so while the backend switched to colorado the tcp/ip and http/websockets all were kept alive.

Shadow Wizard

08:08

@JourneymanGeek nah, I doubt he'll bother to earn the required rep to post on MSO. He just wanted free advertisement for his project.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard still a win?

user315433

@ShadowWizard I agree it looks like one, I'm just saying it isn't.

Shadow Wizard

@rene oh, so who was logged out?

@SFTP if it looks like spam, flag it. That's my motto.

I don't waste tons of time looking into the reasons behind the spammy post.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard dosen't MSO have the "you can always ask meta questions on your own posts?" rule?

"tons of time?"

two comments ;p

maybe 30 seconds total

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek oh, yup. So doubt he'll bother to spend time asking a real question. I'm sure all he want is that tag and its wiki.

rene

08:10

no-one, I was just preparing everyone for the possible blib. I guess if you were just abouyt to join chat the moment they failed over you might have had a slight disconnect. I must say it went all rather smoothly so kudos to the team.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard which feels vaguely pointless.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek not at all... free ad space... Google index rocking sky high, etc.

rene

delv-pls 20K ion meta.stackexchange.com/q/308107/158100

Journeyman Geek

(also, since I have the ability to smite users on one site, I'm a little more cautious over my spam flags)

@ShadowWizard two words. Profile Spam.

;p

Much easier.

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek well, mod spam flag just cause auto delete, without giving the -100

Journeyman Geek

08:12

That he asked means there's someone made of meat on the other end, and we can reason with him

@ShadowWizard I think there's the -100

Shadow Wizard

@rene kaboom (with -8 it went below my radar)

rene

delv-pls 20K probably meta.stackexchange.com/q/308105/158100 /cc @sha @Bart @glor @TravisJ (needs one more)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek no, I've seen lots of spammy questions on MSE by 101 rep users, nuked by mod, no -100

Only 6 red flags will cause the -100

Journeyman Geek

odd

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek nah it makes sense...

Journeyman Geek

08:13

(also, most of the spam I nuke's off 1 rep users. When smokey dosen't get to them first)

Shadow Wizard

Ability to remove 100 rep with one click is too much power, even for a mod.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard there's other concequences...

Too much power? NO SUCH THING! MWAHAHAHA.

Shadow Wizard

lol

Journeyman Geek

More seriously - the more power you have the harder it is to fix it up when you mess up

so its worth being careful, and have sanity checks

I often go "guys, this seems fishy?" or even ask folks whether what I'm doing or want to do is the right thing

Which is why I'm fond of the "welcome to foo.se.com - this is a site for bar. However this is off topic because baz" type comments

I'm its super tempting to just get out the pitchforks and vote/flag things to death ;)

rene

If the owneruserid in the suggestededits table is null, does that indicate an edit from a non-registered user?

Shadow Wizard

08:22

@JourneymanGeek that's the most efficient way though, being too nice might send wrong message. Or attract negative comments, ask @rene. ;)

@rene can be easily tested, no?

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard heh. "negative" or negative?

rene

I'm a negativity attractor

Journeyman Geek

Oh I get that

I don't care. llegitimi non carborundum ;)

HTTP

@rene downvoted

rene

Hey, vote on the content ...

user310756

08:57

@rene hello flower pot man, we meet again

Shadow Wizard

@JNat cross site spammer for you... spammed MSE few hours ago, got accounts in more sites, probably spammed there too. Thanks! :)

SmokeDetector

10:27

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Linux equivalent to robocopy? by vikas khandola on superuser.com

SmokeDetector

11:34

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How to prevent Android from creating LOST.DIR on SD card? by Hakan Er on android.SE

SmokeDetector

11:50

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: In like way, the site guarantees by Kno reek on drupal.SE

Shadow Wizard

12:19

So... SE now using adsafeprotected.com which is fishy... lots of sites claim it's malware. :/

And it contains bugged JS.

(so console always has warnings)

Princess Luna

any specific sites? no repro on SO

Doesn't show up in the network tab in firefox either

Journeyman Geek

not seeing it on SU

Princess Luna

MSE, SE, SO: nothing

Not blocked by Privacy Badger, doesn't show up in the network tab in the console. Could be just you @sha

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna doubt it, it's injected as part of advertisement placeholder, only inside question view.

not always showing, about 3 out of 5 times.

Maybe some ad got compromised.

(only on sites where we have low rep and where ads are enabled)

@JourneymanGeek check inside question, not in questions list, and refresh few times.

Journeyman Geek

12:36

@ShadowWizard meta question time? ;p

(Since I don't think our lovely devs and CMs should be pinged on a sunday)

Shadow Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hehe, might be... they should kick whatever ad is doing it, I guess.

HTTP

halp! i couldn't get normal ad, only SO Jobs D: (even on incognito)

Princess Luna

hold on

Shadow Wizard

@HTTP yeah, those are fine, they have some external ad, probably gone rogue

HTTP

The problem is, I couldn't even try to repro it since what I got were all about SO Jobs or Sales :/

At last, got some normal ads on old questions...

Shadow Wizard

12:40

hmm...

Princess Luna

all blocking plugins deactivated, I'm gonna see if I can find it

@ShadowWizard I can't even find the entire <ins> tag. No scripts are loaded in from the domain either

HTTP

I gave up... I only got ads about redislabs and Intel AI Academy...

Princess Luna

I used a different container (in firefox, meaning I'm not logged in). Got a ton of ads, multiple sites, nothing

Shadow Wizard

well, will look more into it, hopefully it's not a virus on my side.... :/

HTTP

well, since ads are semi-personalized (location? content?), it's probably not that simple for other to repro unless they are SO staffs...

Princess Luna

12:49

No repro in chrome either

Shadow Wizard

OK, it happens only when the ad placeholder is empty, as I reported here. Thought it's only on arqade so reported, but now noticed it's also on SU. When there is ad, all is good.

If it's on my side, it's some smart malware, as it's not always triggering.

@HTTP yeah, might be true... maybe it's even Google's fault. :/

HTTP

Curiously, what kind of ads are usually shown on Arqade? I only got SO Jobs and Sales there...

Journeyman Geek

13:22

I think most sites only have that

only really the big three have properish ads

Shadow Wizard

@PrincessLuna as for <ins> tag: support.google.com/dfp_premium/answer/1656861?hl=en

so appears to be part of DoubleClick service

SmokeDetector

13:49

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly non-Latin body: How can I verify this sentence using only logical equivalence rules? by FY Gamer on math.SE

Journeyman Geek

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308117/…

rene

14:06

needs del votes now ...

Journeyman Geek

thrown mine in. @ShadowWizard maybe? ;p

rene

or @Bart ...

Bart

gone

rene

\o/ have a stroopwafel ..

Journeyman Geek

Also, I'm getting slightly annoyed at all the folks who are trying to claim they can delete content under EU laws without actual links to the laws in question

Princess Luna

14:16

@rene burn-it-to-the-ground

rene

@JourneymanGeek not only that, I'm preparing a lawsuit against SE to make them pay the 20 million euro's fine for being not compliant ...

HTTP

I kind of asploded on a certain Econ HNQ...

rene

@JourneymanGeek would it work if we close such questions as Unclear or too broad?

HTTP

@JourneymanGeek no need EU laws. Just file a fraudelent DMCA...

Journeyman Geek

@rene tbh, I'm a bit steamed up after the one I answered so...

Shadow Wizard

14:25

update on the malware: don't think it's on my side. Ran full scan, found other nasty stuff but not this one... looks like it's part of Google:

Journeyman Geek

I'm not the best person to ask.

Shadow Wizard

rene

@JourneymanGeek he, okay, keep your cool man. We are here for you

Shadow Wizard

Going to post on MSE with some details.

Journeyman Geek

lol

(I'd go hell yes. CLOSE THEM ALL! LET SHOG SORT THEM OUT) - but maybe see what I think in a few days.

But I do think quoting the laws in question, and commenting politely asking for that feels like a good compromise

HTTP

14:30

Hmm... how about, let's forget that EU exists?

Journeyman Geek

;p

I think this one is a little more reasonable

Shadow Wizard

@HTTP or merge with USA

HTTP

migrate to USA? if only I had binding vote...

Journeyman Geek

VTC Europe?

Shadow Wizard

lol

Princess Luna

14:36

@JourneymanGeek's mod hammer is approved. European borders are now closed. :p

Journeyman Geek

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308118/socializing-accounts

Bart

I don't really understand the downvotes on the "right to be forgotten" post. Seems a fair request for clarification/understanding. They're not saying "DELETE MY CONTENT RIGHT MEOW OR ELSE LAWYERS"

Journeyman Geek

I'm too grumpy to downvote.

HTTP

Voting on meta is different... or is it?

Journeyman Geek

@HTTP yes

Bart

14:46

Sure, you can vote in disagreement ... but with what? Law is law. Explain it, state if you comply with it ... move on.

HTTP

(btw I haven't voted on that question...)

Journeyman Geek

@Bart its unclear what the law is + chilling effects.

Bart

Hence the question

Journeyman Geek

Its like "ooh, new law, lets see what we can abuse it for"

@Bart no no

Like they could link what they saw. And sometimes they totally didn't read it.

(and SE's probably going to need to get someone to take a look?)

now, an omnibus post on how these laws will affect SE would be nice.

With specific reference to say the GDPR

not in the "I think the law lets me demand foo!"

rene

delv-pls 20K socializing meta.stackexchange.com/q/308118/158100

Journeyman Geek

14:51

One More.

HTTP

Gaah... thunderstorm!

Journeyman Geek

cv-plz meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308119/…

HTTP

This sudden influx of offtopic MSE posts...

Journeyman Geek

Its sunday

rene

15:19

@Bart the comment from gnat is not really helping there either IMO.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in body: Cryptocurrency,coin news by Samaranch on bitcoin.SE

Shadow Wizard

@Bart was about to downvote because OP appears to say "SE must delete if requested", with which I don't agree, but on second thought I didn't. Might be same reason for those who did...

Shog9

16:04

56

Q: adzerk serving ads from adsafeprotected

I have made NoScript and uBlock origin trust Stack Overflow served ads (Adzerk and zkcdn), but I saw something weird today. Is my understanding that all advertising is served directly from adzerk as text/images, normally, yet I saw this ad being served: <div class="everyonelovesstackoverflow adz...

support advertising security

If I didn't work here, I'd totally block it. Utter crap.

rene

16:18

Are those links here to be considered spam?

Shadow Wizard

@rene yes. Flagged as such.

rene

OK

Shadow Wizard

Unlike others... I usually don't give spammers the benefit of the doubt. :)

Spammy link --> spam.

user315433

16:48

Continuation of the Conery effect series... Fixing Stack Overflow’s Bully Problem

user315433

> Have moderators, like Jon Skeet make constructive suggestions for how the answer could be improved in a more compassionate empathetic way

user315433

Yes, this isn't based on any actual experience or knowledge of SO.

user315433

Although, if SO keeps electing mods at this rate, a "moderator-only forum" can be a reality. Their own meta.... well I suppose Teams would work for that too.

user315433

Can SO mods get their own Team, if they haven't already?

user315433

I suppose what's private enough for 3rd party confidential information is also private enough for mod exchanges.

user315433

16:55

> Anyone who says that they're great at communicating but 'people are bad at listening' is confused about how communication works. xkcd.com/1028

user315433

What's the record for most panels in an xkcd comic? This one has 18. Excluding interactive things that aren't really comics.

user315433

> Perception of the badge should be tested with the users who frequently get no responses, or antagonized by other users. It shouldn't matter how it's perceived by users who either never see it, or still fare well on the site otherwise. -- Cher at 10:01 AM - 18 Mar 2018

Anonymous

17:47

@JeremyBanks world outside of Stack Overflow ... you tell me now. Okay I give you the blog post option, fair enough. — rene 39 secs ago

Anonymous

I, too, sometimes forget.

rene

;)

b_jonas

18:05

Another question. New user's question got migrated to an SE site where he doesn't have an account. When the migrated question is answered, does the user get a notification about that in the inbox? I wonder if the user might be confused about where his question went.

Bart

For as far as I know, no, they will not be notified

b_jonas

Darn.

And he might be sitting comfortable, possibly even knowing he's checked "send me an email" or something, and never find the answer.

Catija

@b_jonas Yes

Bart

I'm mistaken: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/212495/…

b_jonas

@Catija Oh good! Thanks.

@Bart Um yes, but I'm asking whether they're notified that the question has got an answer, already on the new site.

Catija

18:08

Read the comments on the answer.

Note, you also get notifications of comments/answers in your migrated posts as of (at least) early 2012. — Joe Dec 18 '13 at 22:12

Bart

The answer seems to address that

b_jonas

Ah, thank you.

Catija

@Bart No, the person who wrote the answer is talking about an answer, saying that they were notified that their answer was migrated.

Interesting, Adam has a deleted answer from November 2011 saying that you don't get notified and the answer there is from Jan 2012, so sometime between the two posts, it changed.

b_jonas

In this case, I answered after the migration. (I couldn't answer before, because the question was closed.)

Shadow Wizard

18:32

Yeah each site "knows" if the user is logged in somewhere on SE so the inbox works even without an account.

SmokeDetector

18:59

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Who is Goddess Shyamala? by Ajaya on hinduism.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: Do Shaivites believe in something greater than Sadashiva? by Ajaya on hinduism.SE

b_jonas

20:08

Hi guys. The help page graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/help/on-topic links to meta.graphicdesign.stackexchange.com/a/682 , which is a redirect page with a https error, something like the certificate not signed for that page. Do I report that here?

rene

@b_jonas better (or also) on the per site meta. That page is editable by a mod I think. If you tag it bug it will be seen by SE staff as well so if a mod can't fix it is easy enough to get it redirected.

b_jonas

@rene Yes, but I think the links are fine and it's the https errors that should be fixed. Editing the help page would be a workaround.

rene

Only the first two links are wrong btw

@b_jonas no, the behavior is by design.

user315433

Yes, a mod can fix that. Those pages and tour are pretty visible, but rarely discussed.

user315433

When was the last time someone proposed a change to so/tour?

rene

20:19

I dunno

user315433

I know I proposed something for math/tour a few years ago: much discussion, went nowhere. Mods would have to agree between themselves, and...

b_jonas

@SFTP I did propose such a change in scifi.meta.stackexchange.com/q/7028/4918 . That was in 2016. Probably not the last time.

user315433

Did it happen?

user315433

> Specific programming problems
Software algorithms
Coding techniques
Software development tools

user315433

Do "coding techniques" include tabs vs spaces?

b_jonas

20:21

@SFTP Yes, a change I proposed for the "what topics I can ask about" page did happen

Anyway, you're right, I should post on their meta, a workaround should be worth until the SE overlords fix the error.

user315433

The redirect error will never be fixed, I think.

b_jonas

@SFTP Why do you think so?

I don't expect it to be fixed quickly, but it is something they can fix.

user315433

They would have to get a certificate for each meta.site.se just for it to redirect.

user315433

6

A: HTTPS certificate error for meta redirect pages (meta.<site>.stackexchange.com)

The old Meta URLs will never support HTTPS. The whole point of changing the path to *.meta.stackexchange.com was because because wildcards cannot use meta.*.stackexchange.com and we couldn't apply a single certificate to all of the Meta domains. We are not interested in maintaining a bunch of cer...

b_jonas

@SFTP That can be a single certificate, and it's only like a hundred domains or something, isn't it?

@SFTP Ah, thank you!

So it's already declared wontfix.

That's sad, but ok.

rene

20:32

someone points this poor chap to the 6 to 8 weeks meme. I'm done with that post.

user315433

20:42

@jaySf A small assignment for you: find out what "6 to 8 weeks" means on this site. Do you like being given small assignments? — SFTP 28 secs ago

rene

LOL

rene

21:05

delv-pls 20K clash meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308130/… /cc @sha @bar @Glo @jou

delv-pls 20K java meta.stackexchange.com/questions/308126/java-code-logic-error /cc @sha @bar @Glo @jou

Princess Luna

Java <3

rene

C# <3

Princess Luna

Kotlin <3
Java <3
Python if threading wasn't horrible <3
C++ <3

rene

<3

Princess Luna

Python (<3) has Flask and there is a Flask flask :p

user315433

21:26

Today's Stack Overflow killer: askquestions.tech

user315433

I suppose the answering part will be on another site.

user315433

The site has a short history.

Princess Luna

lol, no. It's got a conversion rate of < 3% (by my maths at least, some stats are missing), and the format of the site makes old posts practically useless.

rene

but it is all-inclusive ....

Princess Luna

You mean like Stack Overflow is, except they feel an explicit need to market it to look better than Stack Overflow when it really isn't?

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

22:22

php <3

dodges

user202362

scripting languages need to stop having P as the starting word

user202362

php, perl, python etc

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

heh

I agree with that

at the same time, I'm not sure what's the hype to always create new languages.

couldn't we fix the existent ones? reminds me of the standards xkcd

user202362

mean while, mostly used kernel in OS are still mainly written in C

user315433

22:38

If new user issues come to the attention of EU lawmakers, there will be "Right to be coddled" law.

Félix Gagnon-Grenier

22:51

I am convinced there is a joke there.

Journeyman Geek

@SFTP oh it's a very long Twitter thread.

user315433

Turns out, askquestions.tech runs on Discourse. One of Jeff's creations against another.

user315433

23:12

Third mod resignation on Code Review, it's contagious... codereview.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/8669/…

user315433

23:33

@hichris123 and second round upset... Is ED University in the tournament, by the way?

user315433

23:56

SO nomination close in 20 hours, still 13. Five candidates from last elections have not (yet) nominated this time: Travis J, Johnny Bones, Alexander O'Mara, NathanOliver, Tiny Giant.

Ano

@Shog9 We were talking about the reason why users aren't shown all their deleted posts. You told me that the current reason is contained in a comment. However, it's not at all clear that that's the case. In fact, the question has a +400 bounty now, with the following reason:

> If we want users to put effort into their posts, we shouldn't disrespect that effort with the threat of them losing it without any notice or way to recover it. The current design is user-hostile, and it's worse because it's design to deliberately hide what's happening so users don't realize their content is being lost. Trying to avoid some minor bickering is a very Jeff-circia-2008 rationalization for this behavior.

> I doubt the current staff would have arrived at this design if they had started fresh, instead of being biased by history.

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