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Shokhet

02:13

Hey @Shog9; you around? Quick question for you:

Is the advice of locking/deleting still current? Or is that just for cases where problematic comments are coming in from either the OP or other users? — Lilienthal 6 hours ago

Uh...I'm not sure, @Lilienthal. I'd guess so (not sure what might have changed that?)...but maybe I'll see if Shog9 is in Tavern on the Meta, and ask him. This is essentially his answer, anyway. — Shokhet 1 min ago

Catija

@Shokhet It's what we've done on IPS relatively recently... we'll flag for CM attention and close/delete.

Shokhet

@Catija Aha. Okay.

...like I said, I don't know of any reason why the guidance may have changed. But figured that it can't hurt to confirm.

Catija

We have a general post, too, which Jon answered: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/370/…

Sorry, this one: interpersonal.stackexchange.com/questions/4716/…

Journeyman Geek

._.

@Shokhet that post is essentially what we use as a reference, so I don't see why it would change

Catija

You can see there the current CM response to anyone posing suicidal content.

Journeyman Geek

02:19

locking it makes sense because letting it carry on dosen't really help anyone - and they need help, not attention

Shokhet

Makes sense, @Catija. ...I understand why those posts were closed, but I'm mildly surprised that they haven't been deleted -- if we don't want to give advice online, closing doesn't change anything. It'll still be found and read. (Not that this is a problem, necessarily; it looks like both of those posts contain good advice.)

Catija

If it's getting deleted, I don't know that locking is necessary?

@Shokhet They were left because they're asking for second-hand advice... what to do about a friend, not oneself.

Shokhet

@Catija Fair point. But, if you're not CM/mod, it may take some time until it's deleted. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure that users with a threshold score can lock posts unilaterally.

Journeyman Geek

err no

pretty sure locking is mod only

Catija

@Shokhet No, Locking is diamond only. You may be thinking of "protecting"?

Shokhet

02:23

@Catija The first one included themselves, tho. "myself/someone I know"

@Catija Ah.

Catija

But even high-rep users can't protect a question for two days.

@Shokhet Eh... but the OP was posting it as a test, not because they were suicidal.

Shokhet

You're probably right. ...it's been a while since I've really been around SE, and I don't think I have protection privileges anywhere.

Catija

If you need any proof, look at the chatter in here for the past few days about getting the make your own hat post locked... only the CMs could do it.

If Shadow can't lock something on MSE, no one can :P

Journeyman Geek

;p

Shokhet

Haha fair point.

Catija

02:26

:D

Shokhet

@Catija So, yeah. This is a good question. Why bother locking at all if you're going to delete?

Journeyman Geek

errrrrr

point?

Catija

Not sure. If a mod's acting, then they can just delete. If users are acting, they can close first and then delete... closing prevents answers.

Journeyman Geek

but DVs there dosen't feel right either

Catija

We tell users not to vote at all.

Journeyman Geek

02:28

but on most sites - that feels like a pretty high priority to deal with

you need to DV to user delete

Catija

Hmmmm... flagging and CVing for regular users seems correct.

Your answer there doesn't say users should delete... it says flag for mods to delete...

Journeyman Geek

We almost definately need a mod to look at it

Catija

And mods deleting is important because it prevents other users from undeleting the post.

Journeyman Geek

since someone needs to quietly bring in a CM?

Catija

Yes.

Shokhet

02:31

Hopefully, flagging and contacting CMs will take care of it much more quickly than user Cvs will. (Depending on the speed and reliability of user-closing on whatever SE site you're on.)

Catija

@Shokhet Depends on how active the users are vs the mods.

yeah.

Shokhet

@Catija Exactly

Anyway, I gotta run. Feel free to ping me back in to this discussion if/when it continues :)

Catija

If it's middle of the night in the US, stuff on IPS can be closed in 30 minutes because we have a lot of active European close voters... but all of the mods are asleep.

Toodles!

Journeyman Geek

lol

that's kinda one of my selling points as a mod

Well, we have one other asian mod, a handful of europeans and a few americans but close enough

Catija

04:18

@iDebug Can you please unbreak the userpages by changing your location to something that isn't crap?

meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Reputation&filter=month

iDebug

@Catija ♣

Journeyman Geek

cough

I'll deal with the fallout later ;)

Journeyman Geek