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02:32

> We'd like to support this, but don't yet have any ETA.

Expect that in 6-8 years

user315433

02:45

Ah, importing from __future__ handles most of what I need.

user315433

I already used GoCo (or how is it supposed to be abbreviated) for three answers today.

user315433

Convenient, now that Secure Shell extension for Chrome became utterly unable to import key files, hence unable to connect to my EC2 instance.

user315433

Which means I don't have EC2 access while on a Chromebook.

user315433

user315433

^ this is neat. And then Google tries to help on their side...

user315433

02:54

user315433

Gah. A super common error, and the top search result is some obscure thing that hardly anyone would encounter.

user315433

Viewed 46,555 times, mostly in vain.

user315433

Okay, people do assign to list now and then, but that is far from #1 reason for that error message.

user315433

@SmokeDetector go ahead and flag R/A, there are now two of such posts there.

user315433

3

Q: erm... I lost 2,134 in reputation

Yes, I know. When a user is removed, or they delete their accounts their upvotes and downvotes are removed. But tonight I lost 2,134 rep. That's a lot. Seriously. This is no laughing matter. I just wish I could lose weight this easily... And, apart from anything else, I thought the down and up...

user315433

03:04

Fallout from Josh's departure from ELU. But 2134 isn't all that much...

user315433

Still curious that upvotes were not preserved.

Catija

Should depend on when the votes were cast... If the posts are over a certain score and the votes are over a certain age, they should stick around.

I lost 53.

user315433

@Catija That's for post deletion (3+ score and post over 60 days old). This is user deletion.

user315433

Mari-Lou quoted the policy in her post.

Catija

Should be the same, though.

Success

03:09

Is this the first occurence of high-rep user deletion after the "new simplified user-deletion process"?... wait, does it affect high-rep user?

Catija

Depends on what you call high rep...

Success

10k+ aka trusted user? :)

user315433

It really isn't. Either a CM will proceed normally (votes are deleted), or votes are kept undeleted. This applied to all votes by the user, a binary decision.

Catija

... But Mari deleted her IPS account and... unless she hadn't voted on anything, the votes she cast weren't undone.

Success

so many user deletion ._.

user315433

03:13

@Success It's simplified in the "requesting deletion" stage. The manual review of those cases where the votes may be worth preserving stays manual.

Success

got it

user315433

And, as Shog writes, it's based on "Number of votes cast by the user being deleted" and
"Number of people affected significantly by those votes", not on their rep.

Catija

... I've been looking at high reputation users on ELU... Almost no one has that much lost reputation.

user315433

Yes, Mari-Lou's loss is largest, according to english.stackexchange.com/…

user315433

Unfortunately new week began just now (UTC), so one has to look at month page to see the changes, and they are offset by the gains during the month.

Success

03:19

@SmokeDetector we have a new friend, as usual

user315433

A new source of helpful flags, that is. Comments ending with a bunch of dots are one-flag deletable.

user315433

I've nuked all of those comments already, the posts still remain though.

user315433

03:40

Speaking of votes: 75K votes up, 0 down

Catija

Ugh... I really, really don't understand people who don't vote down.

user315433

A request for some clarity regarding vote-preservation: Is user's reputation one of criteria for keeping their votes after account deletion?

Catija

I'm going to guess that Shog's right and the help pages are old...

Journeyman Geek

03:57

@Catija I rarely vote down, unless its particularly bad

and a good chunk of those get refunded

Catija

:(

Downvoting is part of moderation.

Go check out the Frying Pan.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija very little stuff is bad enough to need a DV IMO

pies? ;p

(I've been offline two days. Had a raging eye infection that made me wish I had an eyepatch)

Catija

You clearly have a much stricter reason for downvoting. I don't. Bad answers need downvotes.

Journeyman Geek

true

Catija

Oh no! :(

Journeyman Geek

03:59

@Catija oh yeah

Catija

@JourneymanGeek Quiche. But, sure.

Journeyman Geek

@Catija but if an answer is bad enough, it gets gone a lot of the time ;p

Catija

Not on IPS.

Journeyman Geek

IPS is... kinda odd? ;p

What makes a substancial answer bad?

not the oneliners. Those should get gone.

Catija

peufeu?

I found 203 of them... so. interpersonal.stackexchange.com/users/36/catija

Journeyman Geek

04:02

heh. Answers, not users ;)

user202362

04:31

I wonder if it's possible to create rainbow in a steamy shower room with light similar to sunlight.

user310756

@Telkitty you can create them with a hose in the sunlight

user310756

@Telkitty 5.30? still cool for you?

user202362

yeah ... cool although it's such a hot day :p

user310756

lol

user310756

I've only just woken up didn't notice

user310756

04:41

if you want to reschedule I'll go back to bed

user202362

are you feeling okay?

user310756

I'm improving, but still crook. I have to go to the horses either way.

user310756

I did get my son to feed them a couple of times this week when I was worse - but he needs to get a lift to them, none of my kids drive yet O>O

user310756

05:03

@Telkitty do you want to meet later?

user202362

roughly what time?

user310756

6.30?

user310756

If you're worried about the heat.. it's nice in the cool there

user310756

I don't have to do much, I raked the hay in the paddock yesterday, so I just need to feed them

user310756

which means we can just relax and sit and chat about SE lol

user202362

05:10

lol, ok ... if I am early I will just let myself in :p

user310756

I'll text you the code for the lock

user310756

I'm tempted to have another snooze... I've been wiped out.

user202362

Got it. Ta.

user310756

I'm working out my study plans. I'll tell you about them when we see each other

user310756

itmasters.edu.au/course/master-of-cyber-security

user310756

05:15

it's a toss up between that and this itmasters.edu.au/course/master-of-information-systems-security

user202362

interesting... :p

user310756

yep

user310756

I'm enrollingin a grad cert for inf sys sec

user310756

will then change over to cyber sec (as it's not available straight away)

user310756

05:19

finishing grad dip of IT

user310756

don't think I will do masters in it - will change to master of cyber sec - looking at it, as it's possible to complete both concurrently

user310756

@Telkitty make sure you study the degrees - I'll test you at the horses :D

Journeyman Geek

05:37

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Journeyman Geek

05:58

Not sure if completely clueless or worst troll ever. Or homework

user310756

@JourneymanGeek waffles

Journeyman Geek

Pretty sure that sorta thing's not going to help.

lol

user310756

hehe

Journeyman Geek

That wouldn't help either.

user310756

it's classic of the geek who -- you know

Journeyman Geek

06:04

by the 'blacklisted user' on smokey I assume troll tho

user310756

of course!! hahahaha

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek Win 7 keyboard printing wrong characters. Any help ?

Journeyman Geek

throws @TheLittleNaruto a lifesaver

TheLittleNaruto

^^

This is my Mom's laptop.

Journeyman Geek

wrong keyboard layout?

your laptop is a mom?

TheLittleNaruto

06:09

NoooOOOooo

She doesn't know to use it much. she only uses Chrome for playing God related songs on YouTube.

Journeyman Geek

heh definately ~~free flags~~ troll

^ needs more flags

TheLittleNaruto

06:26

Looks like I'll have to try RA.

Journeyman Geek

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@TheLittleNaruto heh. Or try an actual Q&A site

that's what they are for

TheLittleNaruto

But I think this question might attract downvotes

So I just wanted to ask on chat

Journeyman Geek

which would annoy people

chat is not for asking questions - least as far as RA goes

if you're a regular, sometimes complaining about $problem gets people throwing answers at it ending up in a question

but "this question could attract downvotes, so I'd ask on chat just isn't the right way to go about things"

TheLittleNaruto

So I should ask the question on main site even though I am expecting downvotes ?

Ok

Journeyman Geek

Make it good then

make sure you've ruled out the obvious. Ensure any essential details are there.

TheLittleNaruto

06:35

I'll check if I missed any try

Then I'll ask.

Journeyman Geek

but definately check your keyboard settings

and when you ask, say what keys are transposed

TheLittleNaruto

I can see "US"

Also some selector layout is appearing whenever I open chrome and hover on it anywhere

Journeyman Geek

if its a laptop, is numlock on?

TheLittleNaruto

Not sure if it is on because laptop has no led to observe whether num lock is switched on/off

I tried checking by toggling, but number buttons never prints any numbers

Success

06:50

does it happen on all programs? not only Chrome?

TheLittleNaruto

just on chrome

on mozilla, it's fine.

Success

then probably an extension

TheLittleNaruto

But keyboard is still not working

Success

does it happen on all sites, or only Google? (I see a keyboard icon on that text box?)

TheLittleNaruto

Just on google's home page

Success

06:54

I'm really curious of that "keyboard" icon on the right of the text box. If I'm not mistaken, Google sometimes offer on-site keyboard to help input text in language without proper keyboard

TheLittleNaruto

I just restarted my laptop

Will check again

Success

Like the one on Google Translate, there's an "input tool" that looks like a keyboard

TheLittleNaruto

After restarting, selector is not showing up.

Success

uh... okay... yay?

TheLittleNaruto

But still I am not able to make my keyboard working

Success

06:59

@_@

sorry, not sure if I can help then...

user202362

@YvetteColomb start driving now, will be there in 20-30 mins ...

rene

07:55

In a merge accounts scenario between a 5 year old account and a 2 days old account, can I pick that the merge target will the newest account? I ask because of the merge suggestion I did here.

Also I need a dev to check my assumption how id's are generated.

Success

I think it will be merged to the older/abandoned/forgotten account with existing post history, because you usually request a merge from the newer/duplicate account? Not sure though, really a pure guess.

I mean, I don't think personally I have ever heard about requesting to merge to current account.

rene

Yeah, that seems logical. I recall that @AdamLear mentioned something about this earlier but I can't find where that was.

This now deleted answer suggests it could go either way. (image: i.sstatic.net/NPYse.png)

As you could indicate which profile to merge into the account you flagged from

Not sure if that option still exists now the process seems to be automated.

Success

08:13

Wow, that looks really old...

Anyway, I just realized the difficulty of getting "What's Meta" link with the new tob par™

or... Meta Stack Exchange [whats-meta] [what-meta] [help]

yeah, I don't know if there's a magic link to that

Shadow Wizard

08:54

in iOS and Android Apps, 2 days ago, by Test User

This user has 1 rep.

Wonder what @BrianNickel is testing there... ?

New features for chat?

Though posted in the iOS room.... perhaps new features for the app??

Success

1-rep user with explicit write access on iOS room, that means...

the room will not be public anymore :(

(wrong focus)

Shadow Wizard

09:20

@Success well no point for the room anyway so better this way

Don't let users build their hopes too much.

Looks like the room became Brian's sandbox though. ;)

TheLittleNaruto

@ShadowWizard Family guy's Brian ?

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto no.

TheLittleNaruto

Ok

Shadow Wizard

@TheLittleNaruto yup.

lol

TheLittleNaruto

:)

Shadow Wizard

09:25

He was hired by SE ^

TheLittleNaruto

haha

nice

Shadow Wizard

10:20

plz-delete undefined wall of code meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302641/… @rene @JourneymanGeek (@Bart IS NOT PINGABLE!!!!!1!!!!!!1111!!!)

TheLittleNaruto

@ShadowWizard should be flagged as spam ?

Shadow Wizard

@Bart you... are... not.... p... pi... pin... ping.... pinga.... can't even say it.

@TheLittleNaruto no no no

Just deleted.

No flags.

No need to bother the diamonds, they're not janitors.

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowWizard done needful

rene

11:39

@ShadowWizard now gone

sorry that it took that long

M.A.R.

11:52

@rene Apology denied

rene

OK, now what?

M.A.R.

12:13

@rene @Sha is giving you a silence treatment

rene

nice

M.A.R.

@rene If he hears that reaction, he'd probably give another silence treatment as well

Shadow Wizard

12:42

.+.

Proof of spam: linkedin.com/in/stacho

> Consultant. Co-Founder at SketchViewer

rene

@M.A.R. is that bad? The silence would fit nicely in my quiet Sunday ...

Shadow Wizard

noisy ping for @rene

revenge ping for @M.A.R.

M.A.R.

@rene it's supposed to be bad

You should feel sad

Lonely

Not to mention unentertained

Shadow Wizard

@rene is a flower. Flowers can't be sad or lonely.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard don't underestimate him

Shadow Wizard

12:52

I'm abovestimating him.

rene

@M.A.R. I don't care for supposed to be bad things.

Shadow Wizard

I wonder how the Tavern still didn't fall apart, with @Bart gone.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard Fear not, for I am here

Momentarily

@rene Do you care about not caring?

rene

Yes

@ShadowWizard is it time to send a search party?

I guess that is a party with lots of wine and beer

M.A.R.

@rene so you did end up caring

rene

12:59

I cherry-pick my caring

user202362

13:29

I care to cherry pick, cherry picking season starts November ...

rene

Do you have trees in your garden or can find them in the wild?

user202362

there are cherry farms where I can do what, unless you are a farmer, grow fruit trees in own garden is a terrible idea for most people ...

user202362

birds and worms are guaranteed to find ripen ones before you

user202362

you have to get a net and some how cover the tree with it

user202362

13:52

this plum tree has been in the backyard for nearly 10 years, it produced altogether less than 1 whole kg really edible plums so far

user202362

once a birdie finds ripen fruit on your tree, it will probably call its family & friends over and having a party there ...

Shadow Wizard

14:08

Talking about silence treatment, you never replied to those, @M.A.R.

Five questions for @M.A.R

Oct 9 at 20:32, 46 seconds total – 5 messages, 1 user, 0 stars

Bookmarked 27 secs ago by Shadow Wizard

20 days and waiting! :D

Brian Nickel

@ShadowWizard nothing glamorous. Was documenting meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/358097/… during bug duty.

Shadow Wizard

@BrianNickel oh. But you better check with diamond-less sock, which will be only RO, and won't be able to grant access to 1 rep user to begin with. Since moderators can give access to anyone, you probably won't be able to reproduce the bug.

Brian Nickel

The bug was just even being able to send the request. Accepting was more a matter of curiosity. That’s good to know though, answers some of my questions.

Shadow Wizard

14:27

@BrianNickel I see. So, bug is confirmed?

Brian Nickel

Yeah, guess I should comment. Doing that now.

M.A.R.

@ShadowWizard OH SO YOU NOTICED </grump>

Shadow Wizard

15:12

@BrianNickel awesome!

@M.A.R. of course

Now wear that coat when going outside, it becomes cold!

Shadow Wizard

16:09

If the site is already in the black list, I really doubt anyone will use it innocently. In such case it's "guilty unless proven innocent".

Flagged as spam, though being small site I doubt any mod will ever see it. Oh well.

lol, only one mod is still active on the site. One mod was last seen almost two months ago.

Really need auto script that will remove moderator that wasn't seen on the site for a month.

Success

The mods need more caffeine...

Shadow Wizard

But I doubt SE has even one small site with active moderators, i.e. all appointed mods are still active.

I assume that on all of them at least one is long gone after a while.

And nobody bothers to check, appoint new mod, etc.

Success

Let's check... CommunityBuilding.SE

3 out of 3 still look alive

Shadow Wizard

So it's usually one single moderator who is doing all the job, feeling bad about being alone, so missing lots of things.

@Success well they are special. ;)

Or maybe still new? What's the site age?

Success

@ShadowWizard 3 years 3 months, with the lowest traffic

Shadow Wizard

16:14

hmm...

Oh well. Theory borked. :D

Better be wrong on this, lol

Still, it's just irritating to see moderators just vanish.

If you're away for months, just ask to be removed, so that the CM's will have a chance to appoint someone else who is still active. It's trivial.

Wonder if @Desire has some script that check moderators last activity on sites, then we can find what the record is...

I won't be surprised to find moderator who was last seen/active years ago.

(and no, Jeff doesn't count. ;))

Success

OTOH I remember that there's a page that list all moderators on SE. Now I missed it again...

Shadow Wizard

Doubt it's showing their last activity though.

So page scraping is needed.

Success

at least we can guess by "never hearing their usernames"

Shadow Wizard

lol

@Success this is the page: stackexchange.com/about/moderators

Success

@ShadowWizard thanks.. looking on...

Shadow Wizard

16:21

Happy scraping! ;)

user315433

16:35

@ShadowWizard No, I'm only scraping the list of mods to track changes to it.

user315433

Scraping user profile pages is a quick way to IP ban.

user315433

But fortunately, last access date is available via API, so it would not be hard to implement.

user315433

I tried to get helpful flag counts of all users with a Marshal, which isn't available via API or SEDE; SE refused to cooperate with the scraper really quick.

Success

16:52

@Desire I'm going to be banned, brace myself :'(

user315433

0

A: Make Cortana listen on Cortana-app startup

Hii what's your meaning sex please answer me Cortana

user315433

Does Cortana now post questions it can't answer to SE?

Success

17:12

scraping with 5 seconds backoff...

Success

17:40

still scraping on usernames starting with J...

user315433

18:17

user315433

SU keeps getting new "special" users.

user315433

The links are linkified on network profiles. :(

user315433

We were talking about this in chat, and my thought would just be to de-linkfiy if network combined rep is under 10, like the per-site limit. — hichris123 Oct 19 '14 at 3:51

user315433

Or if no account with >1 rep, or whatever.

Success

@ShadowWizard someone at Startups

Success

18:38

and no meta post about that, but a new pro-tempore mod in 2016

user315433

So, it's Nick Wilde, Last seen Aug 10 '15 at 16:36

Shadow Wizard

18:56

@Desire only once a day or so then cache it, shouldn't trigger any ban. :)

user315433

For last access, using the API solves the problem: can get all of site's mods with one request, no need to parse HTML.

user315433

By the way, a user's age is still available through the API (but not anywhere else): for example, Ghostly Martijn is 44 years old.

user315433

Of course, it's stability / backward compatibility, API 2.2 is frozen.

user315433

API 2.2 was released on February 10, 2014

Success

Ah, you mentioned API, not SEDE. I read it wrong...

user315433

19:01

When your app is constrained by 3.5 year old API, giving it that sweet Stack Overflow name is unlikely to help.

Success

But based on packet sniffing, the API version is 2.3

Shadow Wizard

@Desire yeah his site is also 404. /cc @Success

@Desire lol.. it was on the network profile too for years after being removed from profile pages, and pretty sure still showing in Area 51.

user315433

19:21

@ShadowWizard No, it's not there: area51.stackexchange.com/users/32764/martijn-pieters?tab=stats

user315433

@Success Right, and we can use 2.3 as version parameter, but nobody knows what will be different... maybe some bugs were fixed?

Success

or some private, undocumented endpoints... but currently I can't sniff the app. Either it's due to Android security (prevent MITM), or my ISP blocking VPN

I decided to try and test Android Studio 3.0's new debug APK, and found... an interesting testing file for SE Android App Feed :/

"earned_privileges": [
    {
    "site": "travel",
    "privilege_short_description": "post lolcat pictures",
    "privilege_long_description": "Post lolcat pictures",
    "privilege_id": 123,
    "reputation_required": 999,
    "link": "http://superuser.com/privileges/gallery-chat-rooms",
    "group_id": 1749,
    "added_date": 1370846104
    }
    ]
,

Yeah, it uses 2.3. There's a stacman package dedicated for API calling with 2.3 in its URL, but I can't decypher more of those reversed-engineered codes...

rene

20:42

→ 34 messages moved to Chimney

user315433

20:57

In today's "not sure if it's on Arqade or for real"

user315433

0

A: Ayin Hara - The evil eye - Hocus Pocus

You have the tools to make yourself anti evil eye. It's easy with the holy bible

user315433

(On my list of potential NAA posts, I don't usually read the site name first)

Five questions for @M.A.R

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