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John Militer

00:48

The new top bar was pushed out to this site. NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Journeyman Geek

00:59

@JohnMiliter quite a while back actually

Journeyman Geek

01:10

and if you think about it, its the 'right' place to test something like that - its also pushed out to mods and we've ~~moaned and ranted~~ suggested a few improvements that have happened.

Henry WH Hack v2.1

I have returned!

Journeyman Geek

Who left the door unlocked?

Henry WH Hack v2.1

Something came up:

notice nothing at least for me.

Same for the other two tabs.

Journeyman Geek

01:26

~~Everyone left~~ I wonder if it has anything to do with the elastic search upgrades/issues recently

Henry WH Hack v2.1

meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Editors&filter=month

meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Editors&filter=quarter

Journeyman Geek

hm

works for me

Henry WH Hack v2.1

OK

Journeyman Geek

actually no

dosen't work for me

Go report a bug ;p

Henry WH Hack v2.1

Oh

Same on SU,Serverfault,Security.SE and etc.

Journeyman Geek

01:28

probably same bug

Henry WH Hack v2.1

If this is really really truly a bug. I must report it to show ~~kenorb~~ I made a bug report. :D

Journeyman Geek

02:32

62

Q: Why was Apocalyptic Defense closed?

That was really disappointing. If this whole Stack Exchange thing is going to be community-driven, then one and only one rule should apply to site proposals: if one of them can fulfill the requirements and clearly show a good community would follow it, then it should be opened, no matter how sil...

this is quite lulzy. For once... read the comments, its worth it ;p

Elias

05:15

no u

TheLittleNaruto

07:40

@bluefeet You up? Again that guy has started abusing starring messages.

Can you look into this ?

Bart

08:18

No worries. People star everything I say, that's normal. Because I'm brilliant. Or are you not talking about that?

TheLittleNaruto

Well.. That's not normal

angussidney

Which room?

Bart

@redhand LIES! ALL DIRTY LIES!

TheLittleNaruto

@angussidney 19132 on SO

It's been happening for a month now.

Journeyman Geek

@Bart it's someone else. Clearly this is an issue.

That said, it's the middle of the night in the us I suspect.

TheLittleNaruto

08:22

This time, with all my rights, I want to know who is this person.

I hope I can ask for that this time.

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto even as a mod, that's not information I'm typically privy to.

TheLittleNaruto

But it's not just one time.

It keeps happening

So I think you guys can ask for that info

Journeyman Geek

Right and all the person who is doing it wants is to see people freak out over it.

Bart

You can ask for the info, but the response will probably be "yeah, ... no"

Journeyman Geek

Usually I just go meh and ignore.

TheLittleNaruto

08:26

@Bart Right that's what Bluefeet said last times.

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto and what's different now?

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek I suspect that person is the one who kept flagging in that room as well recently.

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto and clearly is following you around to annoy you then

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek She also told me, if that happens again, I should let her know. She is keeping that user's records in scanning.

@JourneymanGeek Not really, But because of so many flagging we got this warning from mod: chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/39352372#39352372

Bart

Seems to be only sideways related?

TheLittleNaruto

08:31

Long time back, Shog9 had frozen the room once because of these many flag messages. We had to convince him, it'll not happen again. But now again this is what happening.

@Bart I am not sure.

It can be.

Bart

I don't know about the history here, but from that message it seems there are 2. The stars you mention, and inappropriate content being posted in the room. There's no such thing as "inside the room only" or "among friends" when it comes to content.

Journeyman Geek

@TheLittleNaruto flags seem valid.

Which is what flags are for. Still, what's wrong with ignoring your troll star?

TheLittleNaruto

@JourneymanGeek How many times I will ignore ?

Bart

ALL TEH TIMES insert meme.jpg

Journeyman Geek

Until he gets bored.

Bart

08:36

Just report and move on

TheLittleNaruto

So it can't be helped after all.

Understood.

Journeyman Geek

Sometimes the way to win is not to play at all.

TheLittleNaruto

Feels bad...

Sob! Sob!

cc @bluefeet

M.A.R.

08:53

@JourneymanGeek Drama booomb

Derpy

Anyone got Joel address? Want to suggest a new question for the Joel test.

> your relational database tables have IDs and defined relationships

Journeyman Geek

@M.A.R. hah. Good to see you got the reference

M.A.R.

Imagining @Journey as Anthony Hopkins, saying and thinking dramatic things

Oded

@Derpy myers.io/2017/04/04/the-joel-test-for-2017 (and there are others from before that...)

Derpy

@Oded ok, will live with "Does all code go through code review?"

Derpy

09:20

also....

2 days ago, by Derpy

just realized I should have also asked how many rainy days the jacket can withstand.

Journeyman Geek

09:37

@Derpy none

Feeds

"Crowdsourced steering" doesn't sound quite as appealing as "self driving."

Elias

10:41

So... do you need a driving license when you ~~drive~~ ride a self-driving car?

@Feeds but hey, Twitch has done "crowdsourced playing" (aka. "Twitch plays"), why don't test the idea of "crowdsourced steering"? :)

Derpy

10:55

@Elias if you ever watched any of the twitch plays pokemon streams....

user315433

11:22

SE network has some deep issues, but if anything is going to kill it, it's people starring too many chat messages.

user315433

The (probably) second most exciting election of the year is coming up (Mathematics); next week, Stack Overflow на русском.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

spammer didn't even bother to fill link description. So sad.

@Michelle chat is minor in SE, worst case chat will be killed

SE will just keep going without chat. :D

Journeyman Geek

11:48

@ShaWizDowArd nuuuuuu

I might be the minority, but I think having at least the option for chat is essential for healthy communities

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@JourneymanGeek might be :)

Elias

Tavern on the Meta is now my main hub to SE network

Tavern is love, Tavern is life

user315433

lowlife mostly

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Tavern is never wrong, let's have a song! ♪♫

Journeyman Geek

@ShaWizDowArd as odd as it seems, its handy for keeping your core users engaged

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

12:01

I went on just fine for years before becoming active in chat, but yeah I see what you mean.

Journeyman Geek

I wouldn't have gone out of SU if not for chat

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

huh :D

Journeyman Geek

;p

There'sa few sites where I'm chat first - cooking for example

And of course, Its a useful way for the rare instance where I need to mug a CM and the usual methods won't do ;p

SNAFU

12:24

We are continuing our Elastic Search upgrades today, so performance of Stack Overflow and Stack Exchange will be degraded for a few hours as we use the backup search cluster.

Tweeted by thefarseeker on October 2, 2017 at 12:18 PM

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Elastic Search upgrade is surely not so elastic, taking so long.... ;)

(week by now? Maybe more...)

redhand

@Bart N0P35. 3V3RY7HING 15 7RU3

Journeyman Geek

It can be a bit of a stretch....

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

12:45

stretching @Journeyman

Journeyman Geek

damn it jim, I'm a terrier not a dachshund

bluefeet

@TheLittleNaruto as others mentioned, the best solution is to ignore it. The louder you are about it, the more it tends to feed people to do it again.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@bluefeet I just wait a while (e.g. 1-2 hours) then clear all the stars, in the Den, when it happens.

Kind of like cleaning the mess after a kid when he got a bladder problem. ;)

Journeyman Geek

lol

@bluefeet ._. THAT'S WHAT I SAID

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@JourneymanGeek you're now officially an "other" then. :D

bluefeet

13:00

@JourneymanGeek that's why I started with 'as others mentioned..." :)

Journeyman Geek

;p

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

that said, @bluefeet can probably see who the star troll is and give them a good smack. ;)

30 minutes chat ban will teach a nice lesson. :D

bluefeet

or I could just freeze the room to stop everything

Journeyman Geek

or we could laugh at his pitiful attempts as he runs out of stars

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@bluefeet freezing a room don't prevent new stars... I think.

user315433

13:09

Some children prefer being punished to being unnoticed.

user315433

Which I guess what drives some of chat activities.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

lol

Good thinking!

Troll Psychology 101

lollll.... and of course such thing already exists... (didn't check before posting, really)

The Truth And Psychology Behind Internet Trolling 101

►

user315433

And it's not exclusive to children.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Of course

Though I suspect majority of the adults are acting like children too many times....

user202362

13:23

I saw these birds on a California farm land, could someone tell me what they are?

user202362

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@Telkitty birds

Andy

Looks like turkeys, maybe

user202362

too skinny for turkeys ... unless they are skinny turkeys

bluefeet

not necessarily

Elias

13:28

Did I miss the starry wall?

Journeyman Geek

'commercial' turkeys are bred to be big

they can be a lot smaller

allaboutbirds.org/guide/Wild_Turkey/id

Look vaguely right

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@JourneymanGeek yup this looks like what @Telkitty gave

Journeyman Geek

It can't be a roadrunner. No coyotes with improvised weaponry.

Oded

Looks like grouse

Elias

Definitely not roadrunner...

> complain pettily; grumble.

Oded

13:34

Much too big for road runners.

Roadrunners are really small. Don't believe the fake cartoon media.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@Telkitty but what are you doing in farm lands? Don't you prefer parks or more tourist focused places? :)

Journeyman Geek

@Oded .... You mean coyotes don't hunt with anvils?

and rockets?

user202362

@ShaWizDowArd stalking animals of course ...

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

lol

Oded

This one does.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

13:37

@Oded -1, fake

@JourneymanGeek rockets? Thought only dynamites

heh chat search is 100% broken. blaming @Oded

Oded

not my fault

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

We'll see.... :D

Journeyman Geek

rockets.

Oded

I believe we are serving Elastic search from CO while an upgrade to 5.6.1 is happening (today/now)

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@Oded so whatever it is, chat messages aren't there...

Bart

13:39

Can't spell Oded without CO (minus the C) ... #blameoded

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Oded Coded

Bart

^ the plot thickens

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Ode to the Code

Oded

I am the best (at breaking things)

2

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Finally, @Oded's deepest secret is revealed...

Oded

13:41

That banner? Cropped.

Oded

In other news, chat search is being fixed.

Journeyman Geek

\o/

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

\o/

Shadow of the Shadow

\o/

Elias

\o/

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

13:46

\o/

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

14:31

\o/

Oded

Chat search be fixed

user315433

> September '17
The Community Team sent over a few features to the DAG team after discussing them (added to the bottom of the post, in the "punted" section), but unfortunately nothing got built this month.
Built: (0) Nothing! (╥_╥)
Rejected: (0) Nothing! \o/

user315433

So, DAG is an extra layer between Community Team and developers...

Oded

Lots of developers on DAG.

Also - just because the community team sends something over, doesn't mean it is ready (or close to ready) for development.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

14:48

Sep 22 at 15:49, by Magisch

@Oded Thanks for that

Oded

Wasn't me fixing it... but OK

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Still, you are the messenger! ;)

Oded

Uh...

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

You either shoot the messenger or give them a tip. :D

Journeyman Geek

or give them a tip. Then shoot them! Compromise is wonderful!

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

14:49

rofl

note to self: @Journeyman got a criminal mind

:P

status-stars-cleaned

enjoying clean Den

Journeyman Geek

lol

Derpy

15:10

in The Restaurant at the End of the Universe on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 46 mins ago, by Derpy

NVZ

15:34

can CMs pass thru the "protection" status and answer a question on any site even when they don't have that additional 10 rep on that site itself?

Journeyman Geek

@NVZ apparently not

they can remove the protection, answer then add it back

;p

user315433

Whether stuff gets built depends on DAG, and D in DAG is for developer.

user315433

Since I'm not a developer, DAG has nothing to do with me, so... why bother with the feature request tag.

user315433

Or, the name is poorly chosen and they might do stuff that's not about getting more developers on SO.

Elias

nagging request

NVZ

15:53

@JourneymanGeek ah, that's a way.

Catija

16:34

@NVZ No. I was actually just talking with Jon about that. They can protect questions but if they also want to answer them, they have to answer them before protecting if they don't have the rep requirements.

redhand

16:50

oOPS he turned off the wifi for an entire day. Turned on just now

user315433

17:03

0

A: Which is correct: "in twos" or "by twos"?

in twos i would say it dosent really make sence when u say two by twos thats like the movie ants yo the ants go marching two by two haruh haruh!!!!!

user315433

What movie was that?

Elias

Antz

Antz is a 1998 American computer-animated adventure comedy film directed by Eric Darnell and Tim Johnson and written by Paul Weitz, Chris Weitz, and Todd Alcott. The film stars Woody Allen, Sharon Stone, Jennifer Lopez, Sylvester Stallone, Dan Aykroyd, Anne Bancroft, and Gene Hackman. Some of the main characters share facial similarities with the actors who voice them. Antz is DreamWorks Pictures' first animated film, and the second feature-length computer-animated film after Disney/Pixar's Toy Story. The film's production resulted in a controversial public feud between DreamWorks co-founder Jeffrey...

There's this

but not sure about that...

redhand

Dear Remote, you forgot to pee

user315433

17:19

The email is from an unrelyable source.

TheLittleNaruto

@bluefeet Understood. Thanks for looking into it.

redhand

@Michelle nopes

Shog9

17:36

They're good messages, redhond

NVZ

@Catija thanks

redhand

shag9, it's redhAnd not redhOnd o_O

NVZ

@redhand matters not.. :)

redhand

nopes

NVZ

Ok

Bumblebee

17:43

hiyya

@NVZ no

redhand

people started tracking me. can't change name. blaming Oded

TheLittleNaruto

Are you guys into anime ?

redhand

no

why

Elias

I answered many on Anime & Manga, but I haven't watched 99% of them

TheLittleNaruto

@redhand Umm.. there is no reason. Just asking.

@Elias nice

Elias

17:50

~~bcoz repz r more importan than spoilerz~~

TheLittleNaruto

I asked only one question there: anime.stackexchange.com/users/2528/thelittlenaruto

rene

→ 28 messages moved to Chimney

NVZ

18:04

@Bumblebee funny you should say that. so you two are.

not that it matters. :)

Bumblebee

@NVZ what?

ah these earth creature are always funny

NVZ

@Bumblebee i mean i know who you are. :)

Bumblebee

I am Bumblebee, fighter. Friend of optimus. from cybertron. What else you want to know

redhand

ah good night guys. The person is playing with wifi. I can't make a good connection. it's too slow

NVZ

@Bumblebee why do you chose a camaro?

Bumblebee

18:10

@NVZ it is slow. I hate fast driving.

Bumblebee

18:26

(removed)

user315433

18:41

CS Theory election is in trouble: 2017 Moderator Election - We need more candidates!

user315433

And they are electing just 1 new mod.

user315433

An anemic site with an obscure topic. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

rene

I'm more a practical type of person ....

Catija

You have to escape your shruggy's right arm.

user315433

Aug 10 at 12:59, by Michelle

It's a special SE shrug, with an ironic reference to Markdown.

NVZ

18:46

@Catija ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I fix things.

Catija

@NVZ Apparently it's intentional.

NVZ

@Catija okay, I'll break things as well. ¯_(ツ)_¯

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

19:08

@Bumblebee slow???

If 155 mph is slow then what is fast in your view?

NVZ

@ShaWizDowArd 156

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

lol

NVZ

@ShaWizDowArd how do you circle things instantly?

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@NVZ I don't... using mspaint these days. Paint.NET became too complex and slow.

Screen Shot ==> mspaint --> paste --> FHRC --> copy --> paste

I think there are better tools, too lazy to get them. :D

NVZ

@ShaWizDowArd woah, you do all that in a blink..

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

19:14

@NVZ lol... not really, I had the picture ready when posting the reply to dear @Bum ;)

Take me couple of minutes

NVZ

isn't there a chrome store app for that.. lemme dig..

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

Yeah tried something, it sucked, nuked it, using mspaint since.

NVZ

my pc was force updated today in the office. lost an hour for that. now i get some stupid paint 3d.

it's probably worth a real deal, but not yet for me.

windows 10 creative update i think

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@NVZ about time! I got it few months ago after forced update. (Windows 10 do those once every month or so)

But not daring to use it, my computer is weak, it will probably crash

NVZ

i had this update installed a lifetime ago once, but then things got messy, and rolled back,

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

19:16

oh

But why losing hour of work due to restart? That's not good. @NVZ

NVZ

yea, it was all over the tech world that time... this update crashed a lot of pcs.

@ShaWizDowArd its not. i didn't notice the "update and restart" title when I clicked on restart. silly me.

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@NVZ oh so it took hour to restart? lol

Feeds

Podcast #117 – Your Friendly Neighborhood Code Mentor

Kaitlin Pike on October 02, 2017

Welcome, welcome, welcome to The Stack Overflow Podcast #117, recorded Thursday, September 28 in our beautiful SO NYC HQ. That’s a lot of letters.

This episode is brought to you by Oracle. Stack Overflow greatly appreciates Oracle’s support for this podcast and for our community. Learn more about everything that Oracle does for open source, java, and developers like you at oracle.com/developers.

This week, we’re visited by Gitlab CEO, and former personal submarine programmer, Sid Sijbrandij. …

NVZ

actually several rounds of restarts (by design)

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

What did you do in that hour? Pulled your hair? @NVZ

NVZ

19:18

@ShaWizDowArd i looked around.. saw people.. people with arms and legs.. just like me.

they were nice

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@Feeds is it common to publish the podcast four days after it's recorded?

@NVZ they didn't try to eat you?

NVZ

@ShaWizDowArd apparently not, or did they

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

looking for bite marks on @NVZ

NVZ

what is the podcast anyway? do people listen to hours of it?

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@NVZ yup. (not me though)

NVZ

19:21

i'd have loved to hear sound bites or snippets from the full episode curated for nuts like me

Elias

19:39

or a fictitious statement comprised of cut-and-paste dialog speech

user315433

20:03

@ShaWizDowArd That was the case with the last 3 podcasts, stackoverflow.blog/podcasts. There were always a few days between recording and publishing. Even back in the stone age, when podcast acknowledged the existence of non-SO sites, it was in the form "X is in private beta now, but will be public by the time you hear this".

user315433

Nominations open on Math, two positions. math.stackexchange.com/election Hm... next time I'll be able to run in an election is ~August 2019, assuming no further suspensions (unlikely).

Sha Wiz Dow Ard

@Elias like "Stack Exchange sucks", by Shog or Joel? ;)

@Michelle huh, interesting!

user315433

20:51

Tom Petty And The Heartbreakers - Don't Come Around Here No More

►

user315433

Not one of their biggest hits, but I always liked the video.

user315433

22:30

@Catija "NutraFoo" is a popular spam brand.

user315433

Title edit suggested

user315433

23:55

user315433

That only took an hour.

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