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user315433

00:55

Looking forward to @bjb568 comments on Stackoverflow Kids proposals...

user202362

bjb isn't that young, lol

user202362

maybe we should also have an over80s.stackoverflow.com

Journeyman Geek

01:13

"overthehill.stackoverflow.com"

bjb568

@Alex o_0

user315433

The close reason "OT: was caused by a typo" on SO is often something that the OP themself recognizes. Should they be invited to confirm/refute the closure the way it's done for duplicates?

user315433

Unrelated: when "they" is singular they, why do people write "they do" instead of "they does"?

Journeyman Geek

cause... fracking english.

user315433

0

A: Better to learn programming, or hire a programmer?

Programming is easy bro. With God All things are possible. I am also planning a startup in the future just starting up saving cash. There are so many tools you can use to accelerate learning just be committed ie code academy, bignerdranch. Learning swift is NOT hard. Neither is java, and html wit...

user315433

01:20

The best part got cut off: "Android - CSS!!!- its gotta look good IOS -- SWIFT --"

user315433

I figure the software doesn't treat OT sub-reasons as really different, but if DAG really wanted to give special status to some of them on SO, I suppose it could happen.

user202362

Science…is just science. Until you make it improve the world.

user315433

> If everything we tried worked out great, we wouldn't be trying bold enough things. farewell, Stack Overflow Documentation -- Joel Spolsky at 4:37 PM - 1 Aug 2017

user315433

Fair enough, but what are examples of things that did work out great, say in the last 5 years? I guess SO Enterprise...

user202362

01:36

career isn't?

user315433

SO Careers launched in 2011.

user202362

and? there wasn't ~~an exponential~~ growth in the past 5 years?

user315433

So, a thing started long ago keeps growing. Not an answer to "what was tried in the last 5 years that worked out great".

Jon Ericson

@Alex Worldbuilding is pretty great. (Not that we can take any credit for it. It would have been squashed in Area 51 if I'd had it my way.)

user202362

1) I am not sure what goals you are trying to achieve by trying those things, with the exception of enterprise. 2) Ask yourself, what did work out great, say in the last 5 years at NASA. 3) I probably should be the last person to answer such a question because I am a hoarder. As a hoarder, I keep things for sentimental value, not by how well they work out.

Jon Ericson

01:50

@Telkitty The best stuff NASA does is not well publicized. Mars and manned flights get all the press, but truly useful missions don't get any notice at all. Hence, a long history of poor resource distribution. (Source: I worked at JPL for the first part of my career.)

user315433

NASA put Matt Damon on Mars, I think it was in the last 5 years.

user202362

through photoshop, yes

Jon Ericson

Totally mismanaged. He made it back. (Spoilers!)

user202362

@JonEricson examples?

JamesENL

@ShadowWizard Thanks for your post :P

Jon Ericson

01:54

@Telkitty Other than the Earth observing missions I was close to, the first one I thought of is:

Spitzer Space Telescope

The Spitzer Space Telescope (SST), formerly the Space Infrared Telescope Facility (SIRTF), is an infrared space telescope launched in 2003. It is the fourth and final of the NASA Great Observatories program. The planned mission period was to be 2.5 years with a pre-launch expectation that the mission could extend to five or slightly more years until the onboard liquid helium supply was exhausted. This occurred on 15 May 2009. Without liquid helium to cool the telescope to the very low temperatures needed to operate, most of the instruments are no longer usable. However, the two shortest-wavelength...

user202362

first, all those explorers and observers do get a lot of coverage ... when they are sending data back to earth

user315433

James Webb Space Telescope looks cool.

user202362

second, those ventures are lot like documentations ... it's not like sending humans to mars, there is a set goal

user315433

I don't think sending humans to other planets is an important task. Just send out probes with SE data dump before going extinct. That will be our best contribution to the Universe. A lot of clever jQuery code.

user202362

or we could send cockroaches to other planets - if we could not get rid of them here, send them across the universe so others can share our suffering!

user202362

02:05

@JonEricson also, think about it, what do those telescopes observe - electromagnetic waves, reflected electromagnetic waves

Jon Ericson

That's remote sensing for you.

user315433

"That last LinkedIn request set a new record for the most energetic physical event ever observed. Maybe we should respond." "Nah."

user315433

02:30

So... I guess Blacklist spam phrases for first time users is just that, a scheduled post for Oli to vent about boring spam.

user315433

Collecting confirmed spam domains (e.g., those that appeared more than once in posts marked spam, and not in any others) wouldn't be impossible, say, on daily basis. With subsequent hellban on new users' posts containing them. But...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with email in answer, email in answer, pattern-matching email in answer: A Dutch salary of 3,000 EUR - What is my net? And can I live on that in Amsterdam? by greg on expatriates.SE

SmokeDetector

02:58

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Offensive answer detected: How to undo a cable tie so that it is reusable by Ben Dover on lifehacks.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title: 1 Ethereum only 0.055BTC or $168,delivery in 10minutes,accept btc and paypal www.worldbitcoinex.com by worldbitcoinexcom1 on ethereum.SE

SmokeDetector

04:00

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: This complement allows to get the by mahikapte on workplace.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: Bella Rose RX - Repairs, rejuvenate and regenerates the new skin cells and tissues by lucyjardine on superuser.com

user310756

04:26

@ShadowWizard at insulting you? :D

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Muscle Amp X Oysters are wealthy in zinc Muscle Amp X by maryjdaniel on apple.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +2 more: lumalifteye.com/aqua-refine/ by Yaidlku on graphicdesign.SE

TGMCians

04:50

\o

bjb568

Roses are red,

Doritos are savory,

America’s prisons

are legalized slavery.

user315433

05:05

Artificial Intelligence is one year old today. Top question by views (over 25K views): Could a paradox kill an AI?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Body Building - 10 Tips To Get A Better Body by osimabraga on graphicdesign.SE

user315433

Nobody mentioned Liar! by Asimov, it seems. Well, it's not supposed to be SFF....

user315433

Notable: top question has over 25K views, no other question has even 3K views.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Pattern-matching website in body: It ensures optimum nutrition for by user249878 on apple.SE

SmokeDetector

05:43

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: Proof that $f(x)={1\\over x}$ is continuous on $(0,\\infty)$? by urdad remi on math.SE

SmokeDetector

05:56

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: Diabetic When You've Got Over The Holidays? by Spurl stock on drupal.SE

Travis J

@Alex Asimov was a genius.

True AI is a fool's errand though. While automation is possible, and a learning process is possible when the end goal is defined, we have as much chance at creating true AI as we do exceeding the speed of light.

Sagar V

06:15

@rene now he is my fan too i.sstatic.net/ugCtJ.png

rene

06:27

@SagarV welcome to the club ...

Always fun to trick a mod: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/354258/… ... not pushing my luck any further ...

Sagar V

@rene Cody is 5 sec late

rene

It doesn't matter, right? Late is late ...

Sagar V

yeah but careful when playing with people who have a gun in their hand :p

rene

Meh, what could possible go wr

SmokeDetector

06:44

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in answer: I am not able to send mails to from google VM with port 25,587,2525 by Ketan Patel on serverfault.com

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in body: How can i Get/Buy/Obtain/ legit and registered IELTS certificates without attending the Exam? by borrow7747 on ell.SE

Travis J

07:05

bleh server config is so dull

why are there so many checkboxes ?!

Sagar V

where?

Travis J

where? heh let me count the ways

Coding is so much more straightforward. There are only checkboxes to worry about if you specifically render them to the screen.

Inc.

07:21

Perhaps I was too late for the Docs farewell meta party, but why don't just put a big banner on Docs main page

locked by Jon Ericson♦ Aug 8 at 00:00

This page exists because it has historical significance, but it is not considered a good, feature for this site, so please do not use it as evidence that you can propose similar features here. This topic and its examples are frozen and cannot be changed. More info: FAQ.

Travis J

Gonna miss docs. I accept the argument to take it down though. But still...

SmokeDetector

07:44

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: How can I enable the console in Survival mode? by Boxing Gloves on gaming.SE

Sagar V

wtf

oh thank god. in.000 works

SmokeDetector

08:05

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Few unique characters in answer, offensive answer detected: "libmtp error: Could not get file from device." on attempting to transfer files from Android phone by Mâsud Îî on askubuntu.com

Shadow Wizard

@YvetteColomb that too!

@JamesENL what post? :D

JamesENL

Birthday one

Shadow Wizard

@Alex new top bar

(and footer)

@JamesENL ohhhh.... Mazal Tov again! :D

(I check FB only during night, so if you replied there I didn't see yet.)

user343622

08:24

Hello. Is there an SE website where I can solicit a book recommendation?

Derpy

09:12

Genre?

Oded

@BillalBEGUERADJ I'd say no.

Shadow Wizard

2

A: Where can I ask questions about career book recommendations?

Questions asking to recommend a book, or another off-site resource, are generally not well received on Stack Exchange, as they tend to attract opinionated answers and spam (from the Stack Overflow help center) You might find related questions at The Workplace, but I think this particular q...

user202362

09:50

@JonEricson if seeing pictures and watching videos about a place over the internet is enough, people wouldn't spend thousands of dollars traveling just to experience it in real life

Shadow Wizard

10:46

@Bart hiding behind a mask?

Bart

1

:D

Bart

I've been working out

Sagar V

1 ? is he suspended?

Shadow Wizard

yeah. Poor @Bart.

getting hired by Trump as Fake News Chief

Sagar V

2 stupids Lol

Bart

@SagarV yup, I got suspended. Apparently my behaviour was unacceptable

Shadow Wizard

10:52

easy to find... google.co.uk/… :D

How did you notice this? @Sag

@Bart bad Bart!

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard brought in Sobotics by Queen

@Bart ah you can still chat :p

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV possibly offensive comments detector? Nice!

Sagar V

yeah. but I won't flag comments that much

only 50+ comment flags

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV well, users can still chat even with their main account deleted.... ask @Alex. ;)

Sagar V

how

Shadow Wizard

10:55

@SagarV when site account is deleted, chat profile/account is not. It must be removed manually by SE employee.

Sagar V

why there is such a system?

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV not worth the efforts

Sagar V

why you said to ask Alex

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV because he used to chat here for long time with his main account on MSE deleted.

Sagar V

so this is his new account?

Shadow Wizard

11:08

@SagarV of Alex? Yeah, he was originally known around here as NormalHuman

Then Sally

Then tons of other names...

rene

Anyone else having problems accessing this: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/274918/…

Sagar V

@rene link working fine

if you mean favouriting, yes it too work fine

rene

@SagarV hmm, it errors for me.

strange

Sagar V

you mean custom 404?

rene

@SagarV yeah, you're in Asia, right?

Sagar V

11:13

@rene yup

only that single post?

Shadow Wizard

@DavidPostill where has this been all my life o.o — ItamarG3 1 hour ago

rene

@SagarV yep

Shadow Wizard

someone love your script.... :D

oops wrong ping (I think) lol

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Open source lecture notes and textbooks by BandarQ Agen Sakong Judi AduQ on math.SE

Shadow Wizard

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ long time no see! :D

SmokeDetector

11:22

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported answer: How to undo a cable tie so that it is reusable by Ben Dover on lifehacks.SE

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

12:16

@ShadowWizard haha yeah, it's been a while! school got really busy :(

Shadow Wizard

@ᔕᖺᘎᕊ oh no.... hope you're doing fine though? :)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: What does the word "square" mean in this context? by gili alafia on ell.SE

Feeds

13:07

Since buns range from crepuscular to nocturnal, it's recommended that you enable the scheduled "Do Not Disturb" mode on your phone to avoid being woken by alerts about Night Buns.

Oded

13:39

I would understand a bunbun alert, but a bun alert? naw.

user202362

bun .. bunny?

user315433

14:03

@Inc. I think it's the same logic as with Q&A sites that become disused, they are not left around as read-only ghost-towns.

Derpy

user315433

When Docs data dump is made available, someone will probably want to set up a site for them outside of SE (probably plastered in ads and whatnot)

rene

@Alex make sure to hire an lawyer as well to handle the DMCA Takedown requests ...

user315433

Supposedly those don't require legal analysis; if one is playing by Safe Harbor rules, all takedown requests are granted until the contributor files a counterclaim.

user315433

But then, one has to draw the line somewhere before "take all Stack Overflow down, it contains the word 'the' that was copied from my copyrighted novel".

Inc.

14:12

The "The"

Sagar V

why SO providing 301 when trying to login via a PHP script? ~O_O~

getting this as headers

any idea? anyone?

Shadow Wizard

14:37

14

Q: Why isn't stackoverflow using www in the URL?

Is there any specific reason to why stackoverflow isn't using www in their URL? When you type http://www.stackoverflow.com the site change it to http://stackoverflow.com. This is opposite to what many other sites does. I like it, and I can see it is useful since the URLs these days are long and c...

just remove the www. and you won't be redirected

ᔕᖺᘎᕊ

@ShadowWizard I'm good thanks! just less time for fun ;)

Sagar V

@ShadowWizard perfect. thanks ^^

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Mostly dots in answer: Ajuda em Procv para selecionar dados by WillGreco on pt.stackoverflow.com

Shadow Wizard

plz-delete sanitary meta.stackexchange.com/questions/299183/… @rene @Bart (real Bart!) @Trav

Shog9

14:53

@ShadowWizard not quite true anymore

user315433

8

A: How does one delete a chat profile?

As of today, chat accounts will be removed when the last qualifying main-site account is removed. Henceforth, deleting your Stack Overflow account will delete your associated chat account on chat.stackoverflow.com deleting your Meta Stack Exchange account will delete your associated chat accoun...

user315433

That change was made suspiciously quickly after Normal Bot's post.

Shog9

...I have no memory of writing that.

user315433

Even more suspicious.

Sagar V

you got a bad memory

Shog9

14:57

Chat search is my memory

user315433

And chat search is bad, so.

Sagar V

upgrade to meta search

@ShadowWizard that issue solved. Still can't login using curl.

Shog9

My favorite part of the new meta url scheme is being able to use site:meta.stackexchange.com to search (almost) all metas.

rene

so you did buy Google stocks to thank them?

Sagar V

rene

15:05

@SagarV this answer of mine shows how to login with curl from a batch script. I believe it was posted after Universal Login went live so should still work ...

Sagar V

@rene thanks for the link rene. need some time to convert it to php

Bart

Just use jQuery

user315433

Joe Friend should get 200 rep on Project Management or something, to save metaSO folks the cognitive dissonance of having to listen to someone with 1 rep point.

Sagar V

@Bart another purpose. a script that sms me if there is new notification. test each hour using crown job

rene

@Alex you dislike my solution?

user315433

15:20

It wasn't posted as an answer, so I didn't read it until now.

rene

@SagarV Is a crown job something Prince Charles or his mother will be doing?

user315433

SE Regex golf: match the names of all graduated sites but not of any beta sites.

rene

awesome

Sagar V

@rene oops!! cron job.

rene

Oh, boring

user315433

15:21

The best part is the game never ends as new sites are created and graduated.

Sagar V

it's not a that much interesting to write a program in a language which stopped using 4 years ago

rene

@Alex what would be the winning criteria? Most convoluted RegEx wins?

user315433

If it's golf, the shortest.

user315433

/bu|[rn]t|[coy]e|[mtg]a|j|iso|n[hl]|[ae]d|lev|sh|[lnd]i|[po]o|ls/ matches the last names of elected US presidents but not their opponents.

user315433

Out of date.... The Force Awakens, Rogue One, The Last Jedi... none match

user202362

15:33

Sagar V

nowadays questions from noobs in SO is treated like this

2

Bart

16:29

Nah, he's still alive

canon

16:54

@Alex Then they're obviously not real Star Wars movies...

user315433

Well we haven't seen The Last Jedi yet, so I can't tell. Rogue could indeed be set pretty much anywhere.

user315433

But a lot of people would rather watch TFA than Phantom Menace, so it's not fair to exclude former while including the latter.

canon

@Alex What is, "Phantom Menace"? I've never heard of that before.

user315433

Randall's regex includes M alternative specifically to match it... it's not needed for other titles.

canon

17:13

@Alex There were only three Star Wars movies... and only one Matrix movie.

user315433

17:31

Is the light background-on-hover on users page new?

user315433

It's misleading: when something changes color on hover, I expect it to be clickable.

user315433

17:57

commonapp.org is already available for 2017-18 application season...

user315433

(For entering college in Fall 2018, like bjb for example)

user315433

Extending SO Insights/Trends to other SE sites? would be nice. The hard work is already done...

user315433

Imagine the publicity SE would get from articles tracking the popularity of SFF tags, for example.

user315433

Why is Introduce a feature to require version information in questions for libraries used, etc. considered off-topic?

Jon Ericson

@Alex Perennially Star Wars, Harry Potter and Star Trek. (Oh and story identification, I guess.) But trends on smaller tags would be interesting.

Shog9

18:11

@Alex looks like a mistake to me. cc @Oded

rene

@Alex I think Oded misclicked there?

Could maybe argue it pertains only to specific sites ...

But not limited to SO alone

user315433

@JonEricson Yes, but charting Star Wars vs Star Trek over time...

user315433

The peaks from new releases, etc.

user315433

I see: Oded migrated it to Meta.SO but then the migration was rejected. Now both versions of the post are deleted by the OP, so the point is moot.

Shog9

Ah...

rene

18:27

some of our more paranoid users glad I'm mentioned ...

bjb568

Anyone know why all uses of Human Enhancement Technologies might be immoral?

rene

@bjb568 is an Exo-Skelet an HET?

bjb568

Sure.

rene

I wouldn't know why all uses might be immoral then.

bjb568

Aww.

user315433

18:44

Some of enhancement technologies are more annoying than immoral; they tend to be about male humans.

user315433

19:10

7

Q: Fixing comments in 5 minutes. Intrigued? Let's discuss

I made a quick change to Area 51 recently, and it had a profound effect on how people used that site. Let's discuss. Background: The basic building blocks of every SE site are the QUESTION and the ANSWER. They are clearly portrayed as such, so if anyone puts "something else" in that space, it'...

feature-request comments user-interface

user315433

So many suggestions for improvements and requests for clarification there already...

user315433

The example of Area 51 is interesting, but ultimately those "questions" are one-liners, more or less like titles of real questions. Not much need for comments there, whatever you call them.

user315433

Testing this would be interesting, maybe on a localized site or Workplace...

rene

I see @TravisJ is on the roll with @Kendra .. ;)

user315433

> we have a bunch of opinionated jackasses on these sites writing official-sounding answers

user315433

19:20

hides

rene

^

canon

19:37

@Alex lol, what's that from?

bluefeet

8

A: Hide employee reputation points on per-site Metas

This touches on something that's been discussed a lot over the years, both here on meta and internally within the company. It's a complicated topic; it's got layers. I'll try & cover it fairly here before addressing your specific proposal. Problem #1: it's confusing to see what appears to be a n...

canon

@bluefeet hah, thanks.

canon

19:54

@andy grats

user315433

20:08

Is it just me, or do the keyboard shortcuts like "I" for inbox not work on Meta.SE anymore? I do have them enabled, and they work on other sites in the same browser (Chrome)

Travis J

@rene Apparently my point of view was controversial there.

Jon Ericson

@Alex Worked for me.

Travis J

@Alex shift + i, and i, did not open the inbox for me at meta.se

Perhaps it only works when there are notifications?

If I click on the inbox just after pressing i then it opens :D

I take it all back.

I didn't have them enabled, and once enabled, i opened the inbox.

user315433

Must be just me then, with extensions, blockers and whatnot.

rene

@Alex works for me as well

@TravisJ well, none of the answers showed much enthusiasm ...

user315433

20:19

I propose replacing "add a comment" with "do not click. we'll cut you"

user315433

More seriously, it'd be nice if the owner of a post was not subjected to "requesting clarification" or "suggesting improvements" to their own post.

Travis J

Oh well, if it goes through that just means there are tens of thousands of comments I can flag.

user315433

The most frequent comment I get on answers, apart from "thanks", is "this doesn't do what I really wanted (but didn't think to ask explicitly)"

Travis J

I get a lot of clarification requests on my answers. "Hey, that works, but I had this misunderstanding about that thing because I thought the bar does the fooing."

I also get a lot of the latter example you showed @Alex

I moved the src line to the head of the document and the error went away. Now I get the error: "Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'line' of undefined". In line var lineFun = d3.svg.line() So it recognizes d3, but d3.svg is still undefined? — Steve Scott Jan 13 at 23:50

Ah, that response was actually to me answering in a comment. Perhaps not the best example.

user315433

21:22

Actually, this doesn't work so well after all. I ultimately need to convert the expr into optimized c++ code, and it is difficult to automatically identify that the sympy.Expr generated by your trick can be transformed into a c++ max() call. — dshin 36 mins ago

user315433

A fresh, perfect example of "doesn't do what I wanted but didn't ask".

Shadow Wizard

@SagarV why? What error?

@Shog9 prove! (oh wait, not on me ... please ... ;))

You mean chat profiles are actually getting deleted now?

user315433

I posted a link right there, next message

Travis J

22:09

If a user's chat account is deleted, does that take all of its chat messages out too?

user315433

22:23

@TravisJ No, the very valuable content stays as usual. Example:

user315433

Dec 3 '15 at 20:08, by user259867

It's an afternoon here, and not a particularly good one, at that. Dark, rainy. Nobody sent me Dogfish 90.

user315433

Zizouz212 proposes Moratorium on Hot Network Questions until we have greater control over content for IPS.

user315433

I like the abbreviation IPS. It should be an alias domain to save typing.

Travis J

22:47

IPS? Makes me think of mips

MIPS architecture

MIPS is a reduced instruction set computer (RISC) instruction set architecture (ISA) developed by MIPS Technologies (formerly MIPS Computer Systems). The early MIPS architectures were 32-bit, with 64-bit versions added later. There are multiple versions of MIPS: including MIPS I, II, III, IV, and V; as well as five releases of MIPS32/64 (for 32- and 64-bit implementations, respectively). As of April 2017, the current version is MIPS32/64 Release 6. MIPS32/64 primarily differs from MIPS I–V by defining the privileged kernel mode System Control Coprocessor in addition to the user mode architecture...

@Alex Chat contributions are of the utmost import. Billions of views. Countless people halped. Cannot overestimate value.

woohoo mag tapes are back baby!

> The partnership between IBM and Sony has resulted in a new type of magnetic tape storage capable of holding 201 gigabits of data per square inch. bgr.com/2017/08/02/magnetic-tape-storage-ibm-sony

user315433

23:14

Now even math departments use round pictures in their member list. Stop the madness!

user315433

At least it hasn't infected this chat.

user315433

Elvis Presley - (you're so square) Baby I Don't Care

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