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user315433
1:30 AM
We aren't going to remove the content immediately. It'll probably be several weeks before we finish with the Q&A links, so the content will be on the site for at least that long. It's also still up in the air what we'll do. Our initial plan as presented in the question was crafted with significant time pressure. We certainly didn't decide (or even suspect) until recently that Documentation needed to end. Our final plan may very well look different. Stay tuned. — Jon Ericson ♦ 6 mins ago
 
user315433
1:49 AM
Pressure... I guess DAG needed resources and Docs were the logical place to take them from.
 
user202362
2:12 AM
you need to stop discriminating against round people ...
 
2:37 AM
Oy!
 
2:50 AM
@TravisJ Afaik, they never went away. Just... Taken for granted.
 
user202362
3:06 AM
are you in L.A. @bjb
 
3:31 AM
Yep.
 
user202362
how long are you going to be there
 
3:53 AM
I still think testing things in production on SO is kinda silly
 
@Alex Not exactly. Once we made the announcement, we felt it imperative to get the word out as quickly as possible. I treated it like shutting down a site only many times as complicated.
(Not that we've shut down many sites that weren't in private beta for many years.)
@JourneymanGeek At least for Documentation, we learned tons in the first week of public beta that we could never have figured out in the private beta.
Scaling is never linear or extrapolatable.
 
@Telkitty Leaving on Saturday.
 
4:16 AM
@JonEricson documentation is essentially a new/seperate product but a lot of the issues with a new site/project to me at least, is the culture around it. Oh, and complaints about cheese moving.
Obviously - definite bias on my part from being primarily around SU and the smaller sites - and I've not exactly been keeping track of the stuff happening on SO...
and stuff like documentation might be useful for devs outside the context of SO. Pretty sure a few use SU for documentation/support
 
and Apple, and Android, and Windows Phone
 
it ain't dead, its pining for the fjords
 
user315433
4:50 AM
Android is really a ghost town
 
user315433
158
Technical Communication

Proposed Q&A site for technical writers, content developers, engineers, scientists, and other professionals involved in the process of creating assets for documentation, education, and presentations of technical subjects.

Currently in commitment.

 
user315433
Originally Documentation, but renamed because that name was already taken. Now what.
 
tbh, technical communication is a better name
 
user315433
Astronomy gets spammed more recently, because someone's script hits Apple, Ask Ubuntu, and Astronomy in quick succession, then gets blocked.
 
user315433
Day after day after day
 
user310756
5:47 AM
How does Shog appear in chatrooms at opportune moments? What kind of powers does the man have???
 
user202362
scripting power of course ...
 
user202362
sHog and his 99 bots
 
user310756
@Telkitty but what the dickens is he listening for?
 
user310756
he appeared out of the blue here
 
Some mysteries are better left unpoked
 
user310756
5:59 AM
Like an ant hill or a wasps nest?
 
user310756
or an angry wrestler?
 
or worse. A shog
 
user310756
hm yes
 
user315433
6:30 AM
@Alex It may not look like a lot in absolute terms, but the spam rate growth is (⌐■_■) astronomical.
 
@Shog9 oh, but merge is still borked where chat is related... and I'm pretty sure Alex case involved tons of merging and undeletion of accounts. Oh well. :)
 
user315433
There wasn't any undeletion that I know of, and the question wasn't about me...
 
user315433
Planning to become a developer instead of CGOS? ;) — Shadow Wizard 2 mins ago
 
user315433
animuson was a web developer before joining SO
 
@Alex well, from what I saw you deleted lots of accounts and came back with new accounts, thought you also kept some contents, but guess you didn't. As for about you, I did mention you specifically before: chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/6236522#6236522 :)
@Alex yeah, but he wasn't hired as a developer... maybe he's making a move towards changing that. ;)
 
user315433
6:43 AM
Ah, that was before they made the change.
 
@Alex so this is your final form? You won't delete this account? :)
 
20K cryptocurrency meta.stackexchange.com/questions/299215/… /cc @bart @sha @TravisJ
 
user315433
7:02 AM
I spam flagged both of those math.se posts, it's a crank stuffing the site with their "proof" of a famous conjecture
 
@rene first to close, last to delete.
 
23 messages moved to Chimney
 
7:35 AM
@ShadowWizard we have monthly meeting when we flip a coin and decide if we keep fix/feature or revert it :) — Paweł ♦ 43 secs ago
Huh! I knew it! ^
 
7:49 AM
Documentation is getting deaded
\o/
 
@Magisch not deaded! Sunsetted!
Turns out it's official term....
Application retirement, also called application decommissioning and application sunsetting, is the practice of shutting down redundant or obsolete business applications while retaining access to the historical data. Legacy applications are often maintained solely to provide infrequent or sporadic access to data within the application database for regulatory or business purposes. With some organizations spending upwards of 75% of their application software budgets on ongoing maintenance, application retirement can deliver significant cost savings. The act of application retirement usually involves...
(didn't know that until seeing the sun set over Documentation)
 
@ShadowWizard w/e
Time and energy will not be spent any more on it
that's about it
 
@Magisch w/e?
 
wateva
 
ic
too old for those shortcuts... sob
used to "meh", sounds better... :D
 
8:19 AM
@ShadowWizard meh
5 messages moved to Chimney
 
@rene hem
 
Ahem
 
9:00 AM
@ShadowWizard like Adam ?
 
@SagarV yup
 
//learn yup Yeah!!
oh wrong room
 
9:37 AM
@rene - Your answer on mSO is correct.
The deleted one, that was spot on. Casing does matter for html ids, and using the wrong one fails to match an element. JSFiddle will also reproduce this behavior, you can see it in the console here with your code example.
Kind of shocked such a high rep user would be so clueless like that, especially since it seems to be in their related tags...
 
user310756
@TravisJ hi :)
 
user310756
@Telkitty hi :)
 
user202362
9:53 AM
hey @yve :)
 
@Yve get ready to become a SO mod
may happen at anytym
 
@TravisJ still can't explain why it behaves in the stacksnippet as it does. So that is why I retracted the answer
Is the undelete vote yours?
 
user310756
10:13 AM
@SagarV true - you just frightened and excited me a little :)
 
10:23 AM
@TravisJ now undeleted and edited a bit after I confirmed what wasn't working in JSfiddle
 
10:35 AM
@YvetteColomb they may contact you to fill the gap
@YvetteColomb excited? You owe me a real unicorn :-)
 
@SagarV gap? Who leave?
 
nope. in future if they think the existing crew is not enough? a gap will be created
 
10:49 AM
> already cv-ed to migrate it to MSO
@rene how?? ^
 
@ShadowWizard I think pertains only to a specific site
 
@SagarV that won't migrate it, and not to MSO
(it can be specific to any of the 160+ sites....)
 
hmm. Only rene can answer it
 
@rene is busy?
 
the next guess is a custom mod flag. but it doesn't affect the CV
 
10:54 AM
@SagarV ohhh, and better not disturb the team with those.... :)
I think that the count of questions closed as "belong to specific site" that got migrated after being closed is really really low.
If anything, they are migrated before being closed, if a diamond spot it and feels generous enough....
 
@ShadowWizard yes, no. I meant I cv-ed as pertains on a specific site. Sorry about that.
 
@rene buh
:P
 
@ShadowWizard well, I was sure I had a good a dupe on MSO ... but realized there had to be one on MSE as well ... I'm rushing it ... calm down ...
 
@rene but closing rarely means it will be migrated, see my above rant
 
11:10 AM
@ShadowWizard well, sure ....
what do you want to hear?
 
"You are right"
"You are awesome"
"You are never wrong"
:D
 
"you are wrong"
"You are not awesome"
"You are never right"
:P
 
nooooooo
cries
 
@BrianNickel How do you think, should I post or not bug report like this one about iOS-app in the future?
 
11:21 AM
Huh? How Brian is pingable?
 
oh
 
Last message in January
in the long dead room for the apps
 
iOS/Android room is frozen so I post here
 
11:38 AM
@alexolut yeah, in three months that won't be relevant anymore though.
I do hope Brian will move to the mobile team, mobile web needs a real boost.
 
@ShadowWizard why does chat say that "Brian talked 2d ago" if there is no messages from him?
 
@alexolut dozens of private rooms here on MSE chat
e.g. for each team
Only 3 "public" rooms, so 5 private rooms active in the last 2 hours
 
so this is how it is...
 
welcome buddy
 
:)
 
11:51 AM
??
 
:):
schrodinger smiley
 
:(:
Schrodinger's brother smiley
 
::)
happy alien
 
:(:): Schrodinger's siamese brother smiley
 
12:03 PM
:):(: Scrodinger's wife smiley
 
are we ready for: room → move messages → trash?
 
@alexolut More like move messages → Den
 
There is already a lot filled by 3 bots.
another 1 is waiting in the queue
 
@rene and then → trash :)
 
no. anything once entered to Den won't leave Den :)
 
12:20 PM
Black Hole
 
even it will trap aliens like you @alexolut
 
@SagarV I'm not an alien ... I'm a robot!
 
oh. clear now
 
@SagarV where are you got my hi-res photo?! :)
 
from SO Database :P
 
12:26 PM
 
@alexolut umm... your profile... ?
Just removing the ?s= from URL
 
@ShadowWizard I know ... just kidding :)
 
@ShadowWizard grrr
 
We already have been discussed something related here
 
12:49 PM
I don't like this comment proposal
Officially comments are for clarification but practicly a huge culture has built around banter in the comments on multiple sites
I think this change could have an effect similar to what happened to reviewer numbers after the topbar change
 
@alex if you want to be merged with me, here's the avatar:
 
@ShadowWizard thanks, but I married :)
 
can the API be used to query DATA SE
 
1:05 PM
@alexolut lol!
@SagarV no, it's different database
Think API works with production database, nothing in between.
SEDE is just a mirror copy
 
@ShadowWizard oh
 
well, technically the API is the thing between....
 
@JourneymanGeek API is just the code... question if there's any data layer between this and the live production data?
 
Ah
alas, no clue
 
I assume no, but who knows maybe they got some defensive layer.
 
1:28 PM
14 messages moved to Chimney
 
1:43 PM
I would assume with rate limiting and such...
 
When checking date and votes, it should be marked oppositely
 
The only reason I think the reverse is because the latter only covers 1 specific example of /current not working
 
user315433
After Stack Overflow doesn't love us anymore? :( it went in the other direction...
 
user315433
 
@Alex lol too much love
 
user315433
And linking to Meta.SO with <3 is just... I can't even.
 
MSO is a lovely place
 
user315433
2:42 PM
Instead of <3 it should be <-8 (referring to projected post score).
 
user315433
The email is the Docs sunset notification, btw. The post is now up to 40K views and 27 answers.
 
user315433
I think this may be the first email I from SO/SE that doesn't involve suspension.
 
@Alex suspension??
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Non-Latin link in answer, username similar to website in answer: Understanding the terms in motion of a particle along a parametric curve by kafsabizarin on math.SE
 
user315433
2:46 PM
@SmokeDetector spam
 
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, link at end of answer: What scriptures describe Krishna teaching Narada about Maya? by Miya umar Khalid on hinduism.SE
 
user315433
@Magisch This feature request aside, I actually believe our implementation of 'comments' is completely contrary to how people interact in the real world ("share, but not too much; solve this problem, but without empathy or discussion) — it's why this system is so contentious and frustrating. I've actually designed a brilliantly simple, true "commentary system" which raises engagement without stepping on the Q&A (the reason we regulate comments so heavily)— No internal interest to date. I may post the design someday, but I've just about given up evangelizing it. Folks are focused elsewhere. — Robert Cartaino ♦ 28 mins ago
 
user315433
Robert has discovered a truly marvelous system, which the comment box is too small to contain.
 
@Alex yeah I think he took the success of the change on Area51 bit too far....
 
user315433
3:06 PM
@AstroCB posted on Meta for the first time since last July. \o/
 
3:22 PM
Oooh, @YvetteColomb in 3rd place. Congrats. Sorry you didn't make it, but not bad at all. :)
 
@Alex that feature request will kill more fun, unless SE regulars can't read feel that jokes are also improvements...
 
user315433
3rd place may well be called up later.
 
Yup
 
user315433
More engagement in a brilliant commentary system is about the last thing I want on these sites. There's enough vampirism already.
 
user315433
 
@alexolut It's a good bug. If we're not actually flogging people for stray S's, we shouldn't be for missing device names.
 
4:10 PM
@BrianNickel looking for score on it, I can't say that it is good enough for community.
@BrianNickel when we can expect next version of iOS-app?
and no one of downvoters leave a comment :(
 
@alexolut downvoters of what?
 
-6
Q: iOS app can't detect iPad Pro device name properly

alexolutMy new iPad version is Pro 10.5". StackExchange iOS app unable to properly detect that device. See below: App Version: 1.7.0.1 Device: Unknown (iPad7,3) OS Version: Version 10.3.3 (Build 14G60)

 
It's probably for having an iPad
Or being named alexolut
@alexolut one possible reason I can think of is it looks too short and too much like those bug report submits from the iOS app that didn't contain any other details
 
@alexolut Next release is a bit up in the air. I made some big changes: Completely redid the menu and the top level view controller so it's same on iPhone and iPad, moved from built-in navigation animations and gestures to a custom one, and redid how splitting works on iPad. So, I'd really like to see how it does with the testers for a while first. On top of that, I'm helping out a lot with the DAG team this month, so I'm just not pushing the release along like I otherwise would be.
 
user310756
@Bart thanks! I feel like I've won - 3rd place - crikey
 
4:25 PM
And good to see I made it to 2nd ... I mean, Cody made it to 2nd place.
2
 
@Bart aaaaaha!
Now Bart has got the real power
He's the mastermind
Evilly laughing off through his frames
 
Given the amount of stupid things I've done today, I'm not sure I deserve to be called a mastermind
 
@Bart I don't think you can top registering stackoverflow.com/story/current as your own personal URL
 
@Bart those are done on purpose
 
user310756
@Bart yeh your sock puppet made it LOL
 
4:51 PM
To the new Stack Overflow moderators: brown
Although I'm still a little hurt that I didn't win.
 
You have to love your users: Uploads enormous image, complains image is enormous ... easily fixable though ...
 
@jadarnel27 I agree
 
As you should.
 
@jadarnel27 you win ....
 
\o/
 
4:55 PM
@rene by not posting the image
Enormous images are pretty annoying on Chem though
"Look at the structure below . . . " Goddamnit how much do I have to scroll to get to your point?
 
@M.A.R. oh sure ...
 
@rene the other day some teenager posted a gigantic selfie of himself under the post haha
 
5:12 PM
@M.A.R. oh yeah, I recall that ... awkward ...
 
user315433
5:45 PM
@M.A.R. Was that on Web Apps? That's where people who are trying to get access to their Facebook or whatever account usually post (as an answer under a random question), attaching a photo of self "for verification". I don't think it works...
 
@Alex nope, on Chem
 
user315433
6:40 PM
 
user315433
Augur launched yesterday (on a Wednesday, as an exception)
 
Looks like Telkitty
(just a pure guess)
 
user315433
6:55 PM
The avatar? Just another Elephant character. Not feeling creative recently.
 
Err, I meant the one who pinged Adam on that screenshot
Anyway, now waiting for my chat profile cache to update~
(just when I posted that...)
 
user315433
7:08 PM
One can tell that Augur does not have as many SE / Area 51 regulars as most private betas... in the first 24 hours there is only one meta post, with no answer or comments.
 
user315433
> Stackoverflow has a goose that lays golden eggs, but they weren't satisfied because it didn't have golden feathers -- Aaron Meurer at 10:31 AM - 3 Aug 2017
 
user315433
I've heard a lot of stories about you, Moyshe. — Oded ♦ 5 hours ago
 
user315433
... what kind of stories?
 
Moses (; Hebrew: מֹשֶׁה‎‎, Modern Moshe Tiberian Mōšéh ISO 259-3 Moše; Syriac: ܡܘܫܐ‎ Moushe; Arabic: موسى‎‎ Mūsā; Greek: Mωϋσῆς Mōÿsēs in both the Septuagint and the New Testament) is a prophet in the Abrahamic religions. According to the Hebrew Bible, he was a former Egyptian prince who later in life became religious leader of Hebrews and lawgiver, to whom the authorship of the Torah, or acquisition of the Torah from Heaven is traditionally attributed. Also called Moshe Rabbenu in Hebrew (מֹשֶׁה רַבֵּנוּ, lit. "Moses our Teacher"), he is the most important prophet in Judaism. He is also an important...
?
 
user315433
Probably not, there is no mention of him having Samsung J7 on Wikipedia.
 
7:22 PM
He was a more of a tablet fan.
(Kept breaking 'em, though.)
 
7:39 PM
^ ill just drop this here.
 
@amanaPlanaCAnalPAnaMA stupid game. I pressed Enter and it said Game Over.
 
user315433
That's the best kind of game, minimizes the time wasted.
 
8:16 PM
@rene lol bc it prob spawned right next to a wall
 
@Michelle it is a joke name. Used for the character name in jokes.
 
9:11 PM
I think Documentation should be spun off as a separate SE site.
 
159
Technical Communication

Proposed Q&A site for technical writers, content developers, engineers, scientists, and other professionals involved in the process of creating assets for documentation, education, and presentations of technical subjects.

Currently in commitment.

 
rolls eyes
I think you should keep the experiment going.
 
Private beta was a separate site. But Docs was always built on the premise of living on top of SO (or, well, a technical Q&A site). There's non-trivial effort involved in fully separating it.
 
What if it became the wikipedia of programming and you guys could sell advertising on it? That would probably pay for that non-trivial effort...
 
user315433
There is no reason someone else could not make your proposal happen just as well as we could. What would Stack Overflow (the company and the community) bring to the table? — Jon Ericson ♦ 47 mins ago
 
9:21 PM
@AaronHall That's... quite an "if".
 
@Michelle I responded to that in my answer fairly comprehensively.
 
Our Docs UI would be extraordinarily bad for a wiki. I mean, it wasn't even that good for what we tried to do... which wasn't a wiki in a commonly understood sense. :) "Build it as a separate site" is still a project in and of itself.
 
user315433
@AaronHall Looked mostly like branding to me. "That sweet Stack Overflow name", which was supposed to make the mobile app tremendously popular.
 
I don't install apps so I am not familiar in the least...
 
user315433
As far as documentation goes, I'm more likely to contribute to a project linked to the thing I'm documenting, not to some third party's site.
 
9:26 PM
Yeah, but I sure wish I could edit those darn online linux man pages with some examples...
 
@AaronHall There you go. ;-)
 
Wikipedia doesn't have them.
Who else could?
You've got to be willing to compete with yourself.
 
9:51 PM
Oh neat, being discussed on HN: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14917765
 
user315433
Monday morning quarterback is a popular position to play.
 
You mean the clueless commenters on HN?
 
user315433
Yes, though I didn't read the comments.
 
Yeah, a lot of them are removing all doubt... but the comments I've read so far aren't even mentioning Documentation.
 
@Oded hey, why is this deleted? Looks like a valid bug report.
 
10:06 PM
@ShadowWizard I suppose that I figured that after 3 years of being open, the chances of it being fixed were... low.
 
I finally found a thread addressing it - currently the 2nd top level thread.
> Agreed. I didn't even know Documentation existed.
> I'll one step further: it is the first time I hear about SO's Documentation.
 
@Oded but so are thousands of other bug reports..... :/
@JonEricson not really... @Oded meant this one. (Sorry, couldn't find anything in English.)
 
I had to collapse the first top-level thread to find it... too many posts complaining about how Stack Overflow closes interesting and funny off-topic questions.
 
I read some of those comments on Hacker News and it is, of course, disappointing to hear. However, the problems we were looking at would not have been solved by more people as we (perhaps naively) once thought. We provided a structure that worked well enough for some types of documentation, but not at all for others. To be more useful, it needed to be much more flexible. Promoting an incomplete feature would not have helped. — Jon Ericson ♦ 3 hours ago
 
Here's a link to the thread I was talking about: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14917947 (click parent link for the whole thing)
 

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