meh

@ShadowWizard i got a status update on the aforementioned pm. poor guy. he busted himself up pretty bad.

tripped at the top of his front stoop, all the way down, landed straight on his face. broke like 5 separate bones in his face, completely shattered his lower jaw, concussion, and a broken arm.

i think he's gonna be out for a minute.

he's also a pretty good friend of mine, separate from work, so i'm actually kinda worried about him. first round of surgery next week.

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@JasonC poor guy... He got a spouse? Family? (i.e. someone with him at hospital)

his girlfriends there

girlfriends? Lucky guy! ;-)

I guess nothing helps you get out of the hospital faster like your girlfriend showing up and running into your other girlfriend.

out of the hospital and into hell

was gonna say "or into the hospital", but...

seems to me like it should be nothing helps you stay in the hospital.

@Jason also hope he got health insurance? From what I heard about your medical system, without it one might have to pay tons of money when hospitalized... 💰

yeah...

i don't know

Anyhow, hope he will get through this soon!

and i didn't ask

it's one of those questions that makes things worse, heh

if he doesn't, it's gonna be a nightmare

@JasonC yup, your vet bill will be minor compared to it...

pennies

on the plus side i recently learned that apparently medical debt doesn't permanently affect your credit score. once you pay it off it's like it never happened.

And how is the project going?

@JasonC credit score?

projects still in initial phases. today i had a fun interaction that was pretty much along the lines of: dude: "we can't do that without significant development costs and like 6 months of development, blah blah i'm an angry half-programmer". me: "hey, so, last weekend, i did it. it took about 2 hours. here.". dude: no response. client: "this is awesome."

@Telkitty only if it's Tuesday

@JasonC lol... I mean... LOL

But who is that dude??

a guy

who i can't really explain without explaining the entire project, which, sorry.

Lol no worry just wonder what is his role in the project :)

But judging from this, you're going to have lots of fun in this project... ;)

he's a graphics guy, i guess. visualization, vr. does a lot of non-c++ dev stuff in unreal engine.

the component in question was an unreal engine module

it's the same old project for me

same shit, same old client, same issues, same process.

@JasonC but you are there as a programmer, right?

yes, primarily

and some systems integration/design work for certain parts of this project. and some quasi-consulting.

it's complicated and you're nosy.

i gotta say this particular project is kinda cool, though. i'll tell you about it when it's public.

More picky than nosy... And noisy with pings. @Jason

no

just nosy

:-D

own it

lol

what country are you in

Israel

2:55 AM

oh it is public

@ShadowWizard theguardian.com/artanddesign/2016/dec/07/…

a step up from en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bay_Lights

17 bridges; they all have to sync up, too. not sure how yet. i'm talking to one of the coordinators over there next week i'm really, really hoping that for some odd reason they just happen to have 6 miles of fiber already laid out between them.

@Telkitty i feel like i got similarly jaded at some point, i'm not sure when it happened

i think it's because i usually travel for work, which generally entails going to yet another large city, and everything sort of feels the same

what i need is more proper vacations to interesting places

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@JasonC nice! Looks like a complicated challenge... So you were also involved in the San Francisco project of the same artist?

@JasonC Tel Aviv of course

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@ShadowWizard yes i did all the overall system design, all the software, some of the it, and a bunch of debugging that Philips (the lighting is all ColorKinetics) really should have paid me for for the sf project.

will be similar here

this is project-manager-who-got-hurt's first major project for this client so i also sort of have to have this weird, separate, consulting hat in addition to my developer hat. i'm both above and below him in the chain. it's super weird.

@ShadowWizard thebaylights.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/02.jpg (from thebaylights.org) -- some of my software made a photo cameo

@Telkitty that sounds really nice

@Telkitty well it depends on what you mean by "nyc" and "30 minute commute".

are you trying to stay in nyc itself? and by "nyc" do you mean manhattan or are you counting the rest of the city?

note that it's about a 2.5 hour commute from one end of the city to the other, without ever leaving nyc. so it's a complicated question, lol.

and yeah definitely don't stay in manhattan. tbh for nyc stays i'd go airbnb, and look for a spot in brooklyn, near williamsburg or perhaps cobble hill or park slope. it's great here. if you wanna stay in manhattan look for a spot in east village or west village.

@Telkitty well more like two hours. but by train lol.

rockaway park to inwood, 1:50 by train, god knows by car.

rockaway park, queens, to wakefield, bronx. 2:23 by subway and that's the google maps estimate, so add 30 minutes, lol.

all in city limits. because woohoo new york.

@Telkitty but really, airbnb. if you stay in lower manhattan you'll have easy car access north and west, and it's cake to get to grand central or penn station for trains. if you stay in brooklyn, go for something near the brooklyn/manhattan/williamsburg bridge. williamsurg is a fun neighborhood. anything down there will get you easy car access west and easy subway access to a train station. that's my official advice.

red areas are accessible, safe, and give you a nice nyc experience without the insane times square style tourism.

most of the city is pretty safe until you get farther out in brooklyn.

@Telkitty PS if you stay in manhattan, check out the bike trails along the west side up the hudson. they go forever. all the way upstate if you want.

now if you want to stay out of the city, go north

if you want quiet

like a little hotel in tarrytown or something. but you'll have way more fun in the city.

a really good friend of mine lives out there in some beautiful house with a little private community beach, its awesome

its beautiful way out towards the end of it

grubhub is such fail

yet i continue to use it

5 years of constant fail

although lately i've taken to just browsing the menus then calling the restaurant and ordering directly

Thanks for all the details @Jason! Running out of battery 🔋 will read it all later... :-)

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@zaq those are depressingly large numbers

'evening

There may be a sort of scheduled task that influences such things

@zaq One moderator stepping down is boring. Two at a time is twice as boring.

Assuming it's linear. It could be 4x boring.

gold badges make that more satisfying

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@zaq we didn't have ideal wording, but that question had to be closed for now to stop the fighting.

There are things that will need to be sorted on meta before topics like that go any further

@zaq depends on. Whether they enjoy it....

I'm not a fan of corporal punishment of children. Or capital punishment for that matter.

@zaq the part before the first comma was probably already a valid reason to close.

@Pandya the same question ban that exists for years on Stack Overflow is now applied on all Stack Exchange sites.

@Shog what about answer ban? Is it still limited to few sites?

@RoryAlsop how closing the question stop the fighting? You mean there was a flood of hate answers?

How cute... ;)

@ShadowWizard yep, and fighting in comments and some really nasty language

Not swearing, just calling out the OP as an abuser, a bully etc

@RoryAlsop so why not temp lock?

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@ShadowWizard Read this article, tell me if you notice anything ^_^....

blog.mgechev.com/2016/06/26/…

shadow.children += new Baby(Gender.Female);

@ShadowWizard congratulations! :)

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@ShadowWizard congrats :D

@ShadowWizard wooohooo \o/ shadow children

Hurray for the new filly

Hehe thanks everyone!

@ShadowWizard congratulations!!! And now even less sleep :-)

@ShadowWizard this is a bigger issue than I'd usually use temp lock for. We can always reopen if the community decides that way.

Maybe spank the community until they behave, and then reopen?

There's an XKCD a cat gif for everything

oops

@ShadowWizard congratulation :)

@Bart lol- nice

eww, pascal casing SQL keywords

@Stijn thanks! :)

@Bart thanks! :)

@RoryAlsop thanks! :)

@SamsungNote7Plus thanks! :)

@Telkitty thanks! :)

@qwer thanks! :)

@Derpy thanks! :)

@ShadowWizard cheers!!

@RoryAlsop lock is "bigger" than closing (e.g. can't also post comments), but guess you know what you are doing on that site... :-)

Is it me, or do notifications with the new top bar tend to arrive later than usual?

Could be that I just don't notice always notice them the first time

@Stijn yup

Its also a way to temporarily stop someone from doing something to a post while working out what to do

I've never locked a post as a SU mod

@JourneymanGeek was that meant for me or for @ShadowWizard :p

._.

@ShadowWizard ^

@Stijn my bad. :(

I was really confused at first hehe

I expect autocomplete to read my mind sometimes ;p

@JourneymanGeek Yes you have

Indirectly

-I have locked a post on super user and I'm not even a real member

@Magisch directly, to deal with a problem ;p

its so boring without spam to nuke :(

@SamsungNote7Plus charcoal has recently become more efficient

so barely any SD posts make it to the tavern anymore

What changed?

@Stijn I think smokey gets 3 flags

@Magisch i have both rooms on

which reduces the amount of actual human flagging needed

and smokey feeds into spamram anyway

The bot user account has a super-flag then?

naw

Metasmoke will use user information to cast up to 3 fully automatic spam flags against posts

Least I don't think so

So we only need 3 more to kill a post

Assuming a mod dosen't see it ;p

time to deletion of spam has gone down 70% overnight

in which case we kill the post and the account

@Stijn No. People give metasmoke their API write keys so the software casts flags on their behalf

ah I see

24 people have given their keys to MS for that reason

You limit it to 3 to have a real human double check it?

Thats what CMs will permit atm

@Stijn which is a good idea ;p

We're planning on 5 later but never enough to nuke something with just autoflagging

it's borderline to flagging ring, must be very careful though

We have CM permission

that is we asked beforehand and a CM gave us explicit permission

@qwer I'm slightly more concerned with having no eyeballs on a post at all than a flagging ring

Fake! Fake news! Alternative facts! Rogue flagging going on here!

Also only posts where we can be at least 99,5% statistically sure it's real spam get autoflagged

If you can come up with a bot that posts good answers, I'll gladly give you my API key :p

sometimes we have dispute over what's spam anyway

so our autoflagging flags a lot better then most people

Its no different from tossing in a post into chat for people to see until the autoflags happen

@qwer which is where the human element is nice

@qwer Thats why we dont let the software nuke posts outright

at least 1 human has to confirm, always

I agree with that

and the filters and behavior of the bot is also coded by humans

We contribute spam filters

We have a massive database of over 45000 confirmed spam posts to run predictive heuristics against

there are also automatic safety checks involved to ensure the bot doesnt run haywire

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@JourneymanGeek and @ShadowWizard -- I have to admit I did not know that...

silly corporate firewall...

@ShadowWizard answer ban has always applied everywhere. Also, congratulations.

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@Shog9 any idea what this user is talking about? meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/344076/…

Autobiographer?

Maybe. User would have to be colour-blind. I hope it's not an elaborate troll attempt...

Hey shog

How's the day in shogworld

Anyone have an answer (or dupe) for this? What happens to new users with less than 5 rep when their questions are migrated to meta?

Ah makes sense

(you should add that as an answer :)

good song

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@balpha I can't see what you shared :-(

I am mortal again

"It is done. The future has found root in the present." --cit.

Hah, thanks, that'd be a huge honor ;-)

@Sklivvz Why'd you leave?

If you dont mind me asking

@zaq it wouldn't hurt to be serious about that ...

@balpha not my fault

@Magisch because I wanted to do something different from what was available for me at the company.

@Sklivvz So you still work for SE?

But not as developer?

no no, I don't work at SE at all

@Sklivvz I think you have a "not" missing in that sentence

because I wanted to do something different from what was available for me at the company.

annnnd I can't edit chat msgs anymore

FTFY

welcome in our world ;)

rip

welcome to the world of us mortals, the users

@zaq technical writing?

@zaq rename the SO product, obviously.

@Bart isn't technical writing more like articles on technical stuff than documentation?

It's a fairly broad term that can include documentation. It depends a bit on the exact scope of the proposed site. (And I haven't read up on it at all, so yeah ...)

I mean it's better than anything I can think of.

"Stuff nobody will read"?

TheF*ckingManual.StackExchange.com

Rename to Teams, that has unshipped ...

@Bart they claim they are not that ...

@ɥʇǝS I gather the SO product was the impetus for proposing the site in the first place. I'm worried this is doomed to the same path as Moderators Community Building.

Pff, what do they know @rene

@JonEricson Probably will. I personally wonder if it is really quantifiable enough.

@JonEricson they'll just have to wait a little longer until Documentation will inevitably fail ... #postivethinking #constructivecomments :p

Or, we could force them to use Technical Writing while we rename our product to Examples.

"So where I said Documentation I'll change it to Examples. And Technical Writing, which was Documentation will be Documentation again. And Writers will stay Writers. Stop the time."

lol

get that reference? :p

yes, 100% :D, that will earn you another joker

hahaha

In all seriousness: Content Design

Is that an option?

I posted it as an answer. Let's the votes decide how this one goes

@rene That sounds like something artsy and kinda the opposite of Documentation.

@balpha I can still access my email BTW

@JonEricson yes, well. They have a brought skill set so a bit of arts is required... but I see what you mean.

@Sklivvz quick, sign up for 1000 newsletters. Haney will have to read them all

tempting

Pinged IT, all good. Looks like you don't count as a high-risk departure ;)

Little do they know

@JonEricson I've edited my answer with why I seleted that name.

Who's happy?

@balpha IT at one of the biggest IT sites

ITCeption

Does SO have a dedicated human ressources department?

@Magisch soylentgreen.stackexchange.com

> The Q&A site soylentgreen.stackexchange.com doesn't seem to exist…yet.

Proposal: SoylentGreen.SE the site for all things HR

Ooooh ... the opportunity ...

@Magisch They're called the People Team here, but yes. stackoverflow.com/company/team#People

Can I not just get a part-time job coming up with site names?

Curious

my company has more employees then SE; yet I bet all of them together dont make 1/10th of what SE employees make

Nah, Conspiracy

We only need a good theory to go with it

@zaq Is that Kristina on there as well?

Oh thanks for the reminder, I need to email her and thank her for the swag pack (from when I did the SO Jobs focus group)

@Sklivvz google and AD should be off now :(

@balpha thanks, no more boring emails :-D

@Sklivvz you're still skeptics mod though, right?

@RoryAlsop yy

Happy \o/