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user340193

00:04

Is there a good description of code snippets on SO?

The Guy with The Hat

You mean like stackoverflow.blog/2014/09/…?

user340193

@TheGuywithTheHat That's just what I am looking for ! Thanks

The Guy with The Hat

np

JamesENL

00:26

I'm back

Merry New Yearmas

bjb568

00:37

> to ensure that the same-origin policy is not in effect

This is… wrong.

It's to leverage SOP, which is pretty much the opposite of what was said.

SO really doesn't know anything about frontend.

user315433

Yeah, but at least they know to avoid the word leverage.

bjb568

It's to use SOP. Whatever.

bjb568

02:26

I'm going to create a synonymless bjblang.

user315433

Turns out, Quora vs Stack Exchange is a tag with over a hundred posts...

bjb568

> Stack Exchange question and answer regulations are sometimes accused of being draconian

Shog9

@zaq well, I guess Quora wins on that particular metric then

user315433

02:56

Possibly, because on SE such questions often end up deleted.

user315433

My advice is to not ignore the company handbook the way you did this sites help section. — whatsisname 37 mins ago

user315433

11 hours ago, by Shog9

@rene ok, script now rejects proposed changes and destroys their authors.

user315433

But when I robo-review, it's somehow considered a bad thing. :/

Shog9

there ain't nothing good about this script :-/

but, let me get back to refinishing on my last day off

user202362

user202362

03:05

look alikes

user202362

that curve ...

user202362

C or bell curve, depends on whether standing or laying down

user315433

03:36

> Stack Exchange is your TA. Quora is your bartender.

user315433

05:10

!!/report mathoverflow.net/a/258631

user315433

(text copied from another answer)

user315433

If a chatroom exists on chat.SE server but its parent site is set to Meta.SE, what gives mod powers in that room: mod status on SE or MSE?

Maňish Yadav

mew to all O/

0

Q: How to properly handle these type of Questions

Does downvotes helps them really if someone is still arguing to have subjective discussions on some sort of specific topic. waiting for good suggestions :-) thanks

user315433

05:27

!!/report apple.stackexchange.com/a/119333

user315433

A questionable answer bumped up obvious 3-year old spam...

Shadow Wizard

06:15

much more alike ^

Bart

09:04

@ShadowWizard I did vote on that one. I was the first vote. Shame on you!

Shadow Wizard

09:26

@Bart huh! So it means @rene didn't vote... assumed he did vote before asking others to do that. How rude! :P

Bart

What can I tell you. Dutch people ...

2

Shadow Wizard

Luckily @random came for the rescue... (yeah, check if he's pingable, everyone... ;))

@zaq what do you mean? What is the spam?

rene

It wasn't closed when I requested the delete votes. I assumed it would be once you got here ... but yeah ... the Dutch ...

Derpy

09:45

@rene the Flying Bartman?

rene

:D

Yes, that

Derpy

(by the way, thanks to Wikipedia article on the Dutchman, today I learn that Nami's Fata Morgana is based on a true kind of mirage. That explains a lot.)

user202362

Shadow Wizard

11:07

@rene oh, lol. So who's to blame? ;)

!!/blame

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard It's Telkitty's fault.

Shadow Wizard

Fair enough.

!!/allspam mythology.stackexchange.com/users/3314/anuradha

@JNat not pingable?! :(

@JNat cross site spammer, if you're up for this... stackexchange.com/users/9959212/rajitha-kona?tab=activity

!!/report hinduism.stackexchange.com/a/16623/388

Derpy

11:34

@ShadowWizard - have you got a minute? Need someone for a test.

Shadow Wizard

12:06

@Derpy kind of... what test?

Derpy

simple....

go to the Sugarcube for a second.

@ShadowWizard you will find two links there. Just check if both of them take you to the same page. And no, it is not an attempt at Amped Up, it is something I noticed while posting a question there. May have found a "bug"

Shadow Wizard

hmm... think it was "found" before, maybe by @zaq not sure.

Derpy

@ShadowWizard will have to check.

still in the 6-8 something to fix period I assume...

Shadow Wizard

12:27

Chimney is about to freeze in 5 days....

Magisch

weather forecasts are predicting -12C for thursday here

gonna be a brittle cold week

Shadow Wizard

whoa

Here it's 10C, and considered cold. :D

(average is around 15 for this time of year)

@Magisch Maybe Hell will freeze again?

;)

Derpy

one around 20° N , the other probably somewhere at 60° N...

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy what's the "N"?

Derpy

north

around Cancer.

I was talking about latitude, based on the temperatures ye claimed :P

Shadow Wizard

12:39

lol

Interesting enough, Hell is actually in 42° N

Is this just a coincidence? ;)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard Free to to think that the meaning of life is that we will all go to hell, but I will stick to the MLP based interpretation.

Shadow Wizard

266 total population. LOL

@Derpy which is?

Derpy

@ShadowWizard you hoped for 666?

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy nah, that would have been too awesome. :D

(and mayor named Satan... ;))

Derpy

@ShadowWizard which later changes his name to Hercule?

Shadow Wizard

12:49

:)

Derpy

@ShadowWizard I may have referenced that one once in the den. If you know the Guide, and the radio play it was based upon, you will know that is strongly hinted that the question and the answers refereed to something that would make people finally happy.

18

Q: In The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, does the answer the Earth was built for refer to the girl?

I'm listening to the radio version of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy and earlier it was mentioned that a girl on Earth discovered something that will make everything alright, and before she could tell anyone over the telephone about it, the Earth blew up. Later, Deep Thought mentions that ...

hitchhikers-guide

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy yeah, but it never said how it would make them happy. :)

Derpy

> And then, one Thursday, nearly two thousand years after one man had been nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a change, a girl sitting on her own in a small cafe in Rickmansworth suddenly realized what it was that had been going wrong all this time, and she finally knew how the world could be made a good and happy place. This time it was right, it would work, and no one would have to get nailed to anything.

Twilight cutie mark is a set of 7 six-pointed stars. Exactly 42 points. That one is also regarded as the symbol of "friendship" (and harmony). Take your conclusions.

Don't know if it was intentional.

I like to think it was an improbable coincidence.

that said...

they probably noticed at some point...

Shadow Wizard

13:05

@Derpy the answer is... love and friendship. :-)

Now to convince the world leaders, and everything will be good in the world. :D

Derpy

@ShadowWizard aim for something more probable. Like a magical red gate to a world full of candy colored ponies to open up in the circle of rocks in the garden behind your house on a stormy night.

(congratulations to anyone getting the hidden reference)

Shadow Wizard

@Derpy I don't have a garden behind my house. ;)

SmokeDetector

15:04

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted user: How much irradiation from the sun is required to generate solar power by yoshiserry on sustainability.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

huh??

@SmokeDetector why?

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard Blacklisted user - blacklisted for sustainability.stackexchange.com/questions/5708 (m.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//…) by http:metasmoke

Shadow Wizard

umm... that's a totally valid Q/user

!!/rmblu sustainability.stackexchange.com/users/4095/yoshiserry

SmokeDetector

@ShadowWizard User is not blacklisted.

Shadow Wizard

....

@Undo @hichris123 what's going on with Smokey? ^

Is it bored due to not enough spam?

user202362

15:21

@jon are there any known 1337 hackers on SE team?

rene

@ShadowWizard maybe a misclick: metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/50658

Undo

@ShadowWizard Not Smokey's fault this time. Human error

!!/rmblu sustainability.stackexchange.com/u/4095

SmokeDetector

@Undo User is not blacklisted.

Andy

That was already removed.

Shadow Wizard

@Undo yeah, a while ago by @Glorfindel

Undo

15:29

@Andy Yeah, trying to figure out why it wasn't removed with the fp feedback on the original post

Unless that was during metasmoke-websocket-craziness day, which is possible

Shadow Wizard

@Undo it was manually reported if it matters (the original post triggering the blacklist)

Undo

yeah, saw that

Shadow Wizard

@Telkitty there was one

blog.codinghorror.com/i-was-a-teenage-hacker

user315433

16:49

> So you feel better about your day, here's me throwing 130,000 null refs on Stack Overflow production in under 15 seconds: pic.twitter.com/PyGyRj1WUU -- Nick Craver at 8:02 AM - 3 Jan 2017

user315433

> our whole house of cards depends on a job running at exactly midnight on Dec 31 to reset a column to 0 and that failed so now we're screwed

user315433

Meh, top rep page. When Roomba fails to run, that is a disaster indeed.

rene

17:29

I assume I, as in not being a moderator, can only know if a tag is blacklisted by either sticking it on a question and post it or do a tag edit?

Undo

@rene Think so

You could probably also just ask

user315433

Yes. (Or by asking a moderator.) The blacklisting regex is visible to them (and is editable by SE employees)

rene

@Undo Ok, is success on SO blacklisted?

@zaq ? is it a regex ... :-s

Undo

@rene a bunch of regexes, actually

@rene I see no evidence of it being blacklisted

user315433

Hence, we have two bunches of problems.

rene

17:34

In my naive picture of the world I assumed a table ...

@Undo OK, thanks for checking

Undo

Yep

user315433

@rene Then people tag with "homework1" and so on.

Shog9

@rene the regexs are stored in a table

user315433

The usual thing: if it's not accepted, add some characters at the end.

Shog9

select top 1 * from Blacklist

Id BlacklistType CreationDate  RegexPattern                       DeletionDate LastMatchDate MatchCount GuidanceText                                                                                                  MatchAction
-- ------------- ------------- ---------------------------------- ------------ ------------- ---------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----------
6  1             2010-01-03 09:28:35(lmgtfy|giyf|letmegooglethat)\.com null         2017-01-02 02:25:4712689      Please see: [Why can't I post L…

rene

17:38

ah, cool

user315433

That's not for tags, is it?

Undo

@Shog9 It'd be kinda nice to have that guidance text on /admin/blacklist

Shog9

@zaq second column is type, one of:

Id Name          Description
-- ------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1  Universal     Match anything, anywhere we check for it
2  PostBody      Match any part of post body text
3  PostTitle     Match any part of a post title
4  DisplayName   Match any part of user display name
5  Tag           Match any part of a tag
6  Comment       Match any part of comments
7  Intrinsic Tag Match any part of a tag that embodies a site's main topic, e.g. [chess] on chess.se.com

Jon Ericson

@Telkitty Jeremy Banks? But maybe he's the arch enemy of 1337 hackers?

user315433

Nice. But the tag warning table is something separate, then?

user315433

17:40

Like SQL or regex.

JNat

@ShadowWizard gone

Shog9

same table. Last column - MatchAction - is either Block or Warn

@Undo yeah... This system has been bolted onto over the years, but hasn't seen much love

user315433

So it is possible to warn about comments without blocking them?

rene

@JonEricson I think that Jeremy Banks guy ticked the renew every year when he submitted his findings ...

Shog9

@zaq in theory, sure

In practice, there's nothing wired up there

so you'd never see the warning

Anonymous

17:43

@Telkitty I don't think we have any truly 1337 people like you'll find on Security.SE or Crypto.SE, but there are a lot of security-conscious people.

Shog9

since the comment field never loses focus under normal circumstances, making that work would be interesting

user315433

Block the first attempt (explaining why); if they try again, let it post.

user315433

Might be too much fuss over comments.

Shog9

Probably. I requested that for tags 'bout two months ago; blocked pending design.

UI changes tend to be extremely expensive, so... Something's gotta be on fire.

Undo

I'd put "enable blacklists on docs drafts" first

Shog9

17:49

yep

user315433

> FlagContent Match the comment when flagging a post

user315433

That's about flagging a comment, not a post, right?

user315433

Auto-nuking for posts based on a regex would be interesting.

Undo

Probably 'other' flag

Shog9

Yeah, it's for "other" flags: can block or warn the flagger

Someone was working on analyzing patterns in Other flags a while back, so I'd hoped to use that to reduce the number of pointless flags on SO

user315433

17:51

Oh, I thought it was about the content of comments that are being flagged. That regex must be elsewhere, then.

Undo

Yup, universal blacklists are enabled on flags too

Shog9

@zaq yeah; that one's special

Undo

@Shog9 If you're talking about what I was doing, I couldn't find a way to get both volume and accuracy at the same time with simple regexes

Shog9

yeah, that's often the problem

Undo

The more advanced approaches got to ~85%, but I couldn't push much past that. And they were expensive

(still cool, though)

user315433

17:53

A flag by a low rep user on a negatively scored post, matching "downvote"?

Shog9

that's the big achilles heel of the blacklist functionality: no support for secondary conditions.

So, can't limit it to a specific type of post, or post state, or a reputation level.

Those could potentially improve accuracy considerably

Undo

Once we get Andy in there we won't have to handle flags anyway, so it's kinda a moot point.

Shog9

six months ago, added this to generate a warning for flags: (?=^.{1,150}$)(\W|^)(plz|pls|please help|urgent help)(\W|$)

been hit 62 times since then

not exactly changing the world

Please help me in this

Please help me in this.

Please help me to solve

plz won't this expression work?

Plz give me answer

Please help me out , thanks

Please help me out , thanks

Please Help me!

Please Help me!

Please Help me!

pls delete this question as it's duplicate one.

Please help

please help me

plz plz its urgent

Please help me to remove this question, Its content are not descriptive, because of some of this codes are came from custom imports.

plz help me

please help me

Undo

You might have some success catching the please-delete flags, but it'd be a lot easier if we could add a "flagged by owner" condition.

Also, still low volume

Shog9

yeah

user315433

18:03

The warnings shown when "\byour?\b" is matched in question title probably lead in false positives.

user315433

Given how often it's the impersonal you.

Undo

Not sure if you've seen this one, but I'm kinda proud of it so I'll post it again anyway:

X axis "weight" is a metric Art came up with. Note the scale on the right Y axis

All data from SmokeDetector, for analysis on automated flagging feasibility.

turns out it's really feasible

PythonMaster

18:19

Can someone retag one of my questions real fast? I'm testing something out

user315433

in Mos Eisley on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by Shog9

(we're also on about year 6 of the most common reason for declining NAA flags being "flags are not a super downvote"; worded more politely of course)

user315433

An idea: if reviewers are split on an NAA/VLQ flag (some are for and some against), instead of generating a mod flag, Community downvotes the post and leaves it at that (flags are marked disputed). I think that on SO this would be the correct action most of the time, the answer is probably try {code block}.

Undo

@zaq Right now we're actually keeping up with the NAA inflow, but once we fall behind that sounds like a great idea

user315433

To my knowledge, the post will still be reviewed by a mod if someone flags it again, after it went through review.

Undo

There are only 6 NAA flags shown in the sidebar for us, but we can still see all 19 active.

user315433

18:31

@PythonMaster Retagged stackoverflow.com/q/34957629/6655984 feel free to roll back and fix the typo in "program".

user315433

> it's simply a risk tradeoff for extreme performance -- meta.stackoverflow.com/a/340787

user315433

Nick likes to live dangerously.

bjb568

18:50

My Chem teacher said the velocity of ideal gas particles are normally distributed.

First, it's chi, and second, it's speed.

But whatever, ya know, chemistry is just rounded-off physics.

PythonMaster

@zaq Thanks

user315433

19:03

@bjb568 Hmm... could the velocity vector be normally distributed, after all? Considering that chi is the sum of squares of independent normals?

user315433

But doesn't quite work, because the sum of squares of components of the velocity is the speed squared, and the chi distribution is for speed itself. Odd.

user315433

The components can probably be considered independent; if we imagine the gas being in a rectangular box, the projection on each coordinate is independent of what goes on with the other ones.

user315433

So what's the correct distribution of the velocity vector?

user315433

@bjb568 Looks like the teacher is right; the velocity is normal. Reason being that the Gaussian is the essentially unique function f such that f(x)f(y)f(z) is radially symmetric. Neat.

user315433

And the rest checks out: speed^2 is the sum of squares of independent normals, so it follows chi-squared. The speed itself follows its less well known sibling chi, aka Maxwell–Boltzmann distribution.

user315433

20:00

> stack overflow is a profoundly broken community that somehow manages to provide an incredibly important service -- SEADADDY at 11:56 AM - 3 Jan 2017

user315433

A fairly accurate assessment.

Undo

20:37

@bjb568 Still like math?

user315433

20:59

Speaking of math: it's kind of mean how math journals show the download counts these days. Let us pretend someone reads what we write, plz...

user315433

Or at least fix the giant S

user315433

It's been a while since Unihedron posted inverted-colors screenshots here, someone has to maintain the tradition.

user315433

My alma mater now offers a major in financial engineering. I'm not convinced this is an undergraduate thing to study...

user315433

> classes such as Financial Accounting, Capital Markets and Investments, as well as Algorithms and Data Structures, Big Data and Machine Learning, and Financial Mathematics.

user315433

21:04

Naturally, the program is between Engineering and Business schools, without involving useless A&S things like math department.

Undo

Sounds fascinating, actually

user315433

That's what it is meant for. To sound fascinating.

user315433

Notice it can only be a second major, a sign that nobody expects the graduates of the program to be competent in the subject. "Don't quit your day job", so to speak.

user315433

Hi @hichris123, back from vacation?

hichris123

More or less.

user315433

21:12

More recently less vacation than more, as deceze would say.

Jason C

21:51

Yo

user315433

23:02

> - Democracy isn't "majority rules". It's "loudest majority of people who care" rules.
> - sounds a bit meta.stackexchange to me -- https://twitter.com/rossipedia/status/816415763993075713

bwDraco

@Randy, there is no need to avoid mentioning a particular manufacturer if you have a legitimate question regarding a product made by said manufacturer. As long as it isn't evident you're spamming, we're not going to think you're endorsing the manufacturer, nor are we going to flag your post as spam. — bwDraco 12 hours ago

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