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Aaron Hall

15:05

sings "Forgot about Dre"

rene

So when I see a comment that politely points out that something can be found in documentation I can assume Brad removed the You're an idiot part?

Derpy

@rene Unless the user managed to deserve that, in which case it should be covered by the this part:

> In the rare cases where the insult or rudeness are somehow core to the conversation (..............), I'll leave the comment alone.

user202362

Have you ever had this feeling that there are people on the internet that you really violate because their over justified sense of self righteous?

Derpy

?

rene

@Derpy sure, that comment is not Larsoned then ...

user202362

15:18

There are 2 people on SE/SO related sites that every time I see the person's name, I get tense and want to slap the person a lil

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rene

@Telkitty yes, but this IS my name. I can't help that, sorry.

user202362

No you, no one on this chat

rene

Oh ...

Derpy

@Telkitty there are some SharePoint.stackexchange 20k+ users (which translates in 200k users on a SO scale) that continue to farm rep from the "turds" Shog used to mention in the old days (the "do not polish turds" quote), and I can assure that seeing those makes me feel...... "peeved" too.

Every day, they answer Off Topic / Dupes questions, trying to get that +1...

Some day, even the multiple dupes of the same original.

(The best one was when a new user posted the same question three times, and instead of flagging/voting to close/delete they replied each one with a variation of the same post)

Shadow Wizard

15:37

@EdCottrell yeah, but @edc doesn't sound right... if anything @EdCo would make more sense. ;)

@Telkitty J&J aka Jeff and Joel?

user315433

in The Whiteboard on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Jul 21 at 19:15, by Ana

Honest question, can you possibly envision a version of this site's future that you can be proud of?

user315433

Not just about Prog.SE

Ed Cottrell

@ShadowWizard No, no; @EdCo is my secret, stealth shell corporation that I'm using to take over the world. No fair mentioning it here.

Shadow Wizard

@ᴡᴏʀᴅs huh? Any chance for a TL;DR about what's going on there?

Too late @EdCo your secret is no secret anymore! :P

user315433

@ShadowWizard New Site Name and Scope Proposals by Thomas Owens on meta.programmers.stackexchange.com

Shadow Wizard

15:44

@ᴡᴏʀᴅs oh, wow. Lots to read in my spare time... thanks!

Jason C

Hi nerds.

Shadow Wizard

WELCOME BACK J!!!

Bart

Oh sure, and no hi to me @JasonC?

user315433

I was just about to report a sighting of wild Jason C in the Whiteboard.

Shadow Wizard

lol

Jason C

15:45

Lol

Shadow Wizard

@Jason you can put the Tavern in a timeout now

runs

user315433

for up to 86400 seconds

Jason C

@Bart Come on. Your infinite glasses:face ratio puts you way deep in "nerd" territory.

Ed Cottrell

@ShadowWizard Sigh. Now I have to start all over.

@JasonC o/

Bart

@JasonC I had hoped I was so much a nerd, it had wrapped around

Shadow Wizard

15:46

@EdCottrell evil laugh

@Bart to a -nerd?

Jason C

Well it depends on what data type you are using to store your nerdity factor.

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Shadow Wizard

!!/pin 5135849

rene

@JasonC tinybit?

Shadow Wizard

@rene for Bart it's UnsignedHugeInt

rene

I'm in denial

Bart

15:53

Hi in denial, I'm Bart.

Jason C

For some reason the image of a flower floating in a kiddie pool filled with denial just came to mind.

And made me laugh.

Mostly because lol kiddie pools.

rene

:-\

Jason C

And a search for kiddie pool pictures to laugh at incidentally yielded this gem:

The Best Fails Moments - Kids fails compilation

►

Lol kids getting hurt.

Oh damn some of these are no joke.

rene

I don't mind, I laugh anyway

Jason C

IKR, I only really said that to put on an air of humanity in public.

Shadow Wizard

16:09

air of humidity?

Jason C

I already got that.

All the books on my bookshelf are damp today.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC that's bad... try hair dryer.

Or ask in LH how to dry up damp books...

Jason C

It's a regular occurrence. They're already ruined. Actually I was recently toying around with designs for an air conditioned book case.

The real solution is to put an A/C in my living room though.

Shadow Wizard

@JasonC that would be brilliant!

Jason C

My goal is to come up with a compact way to a/c or dehumidify the case without having a condensation tank to empty. I think the volume should be small enough that I can just evaporate the water on the outside. I dunno. I haven't put much thought into it yet. I don't think it will be difficult.

Andy

16:16

I hear fire is really good for drying stuff out.

Have you tried lighting your books on fire?

Jason C

Yeah but the neighbors complained.

Andy

That's just because they didn't think of that solution to their moist book problem.

Jason C

Hehe moist

Andy

I approve of your level of maturity. snickers in the corner

Jason C

Flammable pants with a strike-anywhere crotch would be a good solution to swamp-ass.

I think I finally found my big money making idea. Thanks.

Andy

16:21

Glad to help. All I ask is a small mention in the tiny words at the bottom of the packaging.

Jason C

AndyPants™

Innovative Cloud-Based Swamp-Ass Solutions, leveraging robust Crotch-Drying-as-a-Service architecture.

Andy

I'd put my name on that.

user315433

16:38

How to Find and Hire a Data Scientist, from Business.SO site

user315433

> Additionally, the Cross Validated site on Stack Overflow is a vibrant community of academics eager to discuss the finer points about data science.

user315433

Vibrant as far as ghost towns go. So far this year 17,226 questions were asked, receiving 11,314 answers.

Jason C

@ᴡᴏʀᴅs That's about an answer every 26 minutes, could be worse.

Maybe the answers are few but vibrant.

user315433

Well yes in absolute numbers but 1.5 ratio of questions to answers.

Jason C

It might need more vibrantly worded questions.

Let's go suggest some edits.

user315433

16:45

Not that it's necessarily a problem. Maybe SO needs fewer answers, too.

Jason C

I can make anything colorful.

user315433

In any case, "the Cross Validated site on Stack Overflow" is a rebranding-induced confusion about where the site is.

user315433

@JasonC Can you make Documentation colorful?

Jason C

Lol, Documentation is retarded, I want nothing to do with it.

I'm happy to just sit back and let it turn into a poorly-maintained, randomly-complete copy of the internet. It's like Wikipedia and archive.org's illegitimate child.

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user315433

17:05

> a sales rep had a very small product related ask. I wrote the 5 lines of code needed, now I'm on day 3 of trying to run the site to test. -- kasmanian devil at 9:12 AM - 28 Jul 2016

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user315433

Probably not a great idea to include 0 in the skills-score range. Saying that someone has zero skills but no, we don't mean that, it's the zero score on our scale... is cumbersome.

user315433

See also: reputation score.

user315433

18:15

> If there is no sunlight in your country you can use the hair dryer(1 minute only) for this purpose. apple.stackexchange.com/a/247560

user315433

LifeHack!

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user315433

Gabe forgot about question collection for pt.SO... posted an hour ago while they are already two days into primary, with final round beginning tomorrow. And this is question collection, not the questionnaire itself...

user315433

The implications for salary are unclear, because there is no calculator for Community Team...

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user315433

Or perhaps, the implication is that the questionnaire has outlived its usefulness.

Andy

19:15

I think it's useful, but I think when it is posted in the election cycle is at the wrong time. Both the questionnaire and answers should be earlier in the process.

I think I saw an MSE post about that earlier this week

meta.stackexchange.com/q/277665/186281 Question isn't new, but an answer was posted this week

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user315433

Mistakes reasonably fixed. No yelling so far.

Tweeted by dhekke on July 28, 2016 at 6:31 PM in reply to dhekke

user315433

That's only because I don't speak Portuguese.

hichris123

19:48

Oooh oooh @JasonC!

user315433

... has left the building.

user315433

He left behind a wise remark, though.

user315433

in The Whiteboard on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 4 hours ago, by Jason C

I dunno, I don't understand SO any more. I sort of uncontrollably lost interest after the zillionth time I closed a duplicate "What is a NullPointerException?". It makes me happy to see non-debugging questions there. But nobody understands me, lol.

hichris123

20:19

Agree with that completely.

On a related note, did anyone read my Docs remarks from last night?

Shog9

No

hichris123

Not sure if that's good or bad...

user315433

The supply of ~~rants~~ remarks about Docs greatly exceeds the demand.

hichris123

Therefore, cost should decrease until market equilibrium is reached.

I called mine remarks because I do like the idea and I was trying to be non-ranty. Not sure if I succeeded there.

user315433

The cost is the time spent reading, which is limited by the existing human-vision technology. What's the invisible hand of market to do about that?

Shog9

20:26

Right now, we have a bunch of specific complaints and a bunch of specific ideas to address them. Those are valuable, even the ones that are stupid. It'll take a while to go through them, but the system will be improved by their existence.

hichris123

@ᴡᴏʀᴅs Give more eyes so reading is cheaper?

Shog9

...Then there are a bunch of folks prognosticating. Trying to predict what the future of the system will be based on observations of a week of use, past experience, prejudice, or simply a desire to say "I told you so" 6 months from now. Those are unlikely to improve things soon.

hichris123

14 hours ago, by hichris123

Seems like both sides right now are way over emphasizing the problem. It also seems like a much better use of time on both sides would be finding solutions and implementing them -- not arguing pointlessly.

Shog9

not that there isn't value in trying to guess at where problems will lie, or how they'll affect the future... But when you can look at what's actually working or breaking, you should do that first.

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20:49

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Quill

22:55

"Let me try another approach: long, wandering personal anecdote." http://jericson.github.io/2016/07/28/what_is_documentation.html

Tweeted by jlericson on July 28, 2016 at 10:14 PM

> So to steal my own thunder, Jeol said

Quill

23:29

1

Life Probelms

Proposed Q&A site for people who suffer from any type of problems, and issues varying from the simplest issues like what shoes I should wear today to, help me I want to commit suicide over a certain issue how can I approach such issue.

Currently in definition.

Jon Ericson

23:40

@Quill I was going to joke that the audience was large enough. But then I hit the last few phrases. Since the wording is poor, I removed the reference to suicide, which isn't the call for help it sounded like.

(Probably could edit more, but I don't imagine this will go anywhere.)

@Quill I really liked that line. ;-)

Quill

@JonEricson Yeah, issue management over quality

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