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Moshe
Moshe
12:12 AM
Oy.
Mark by Mark?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
1:02 AM
Wow, not a lot happened while I'm away
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Exciting, isn't it?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@TimStone Definitely
Thrilling, even, as I scroll up the ten messages or so that has appeared after I left
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I'd say we made them count, but eh..
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
Is he joking there when he said eye-red as the favicon for the elections page?
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I'm going to assume so :P
We're watching you, candidates o_o
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
1:05 AM
Well, does any of those icon work for you?
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Let's see..
user-sillhouette-question! Really I have no idea though
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
2:03 AM
0
Q: PHP or C# or (X)? HTTP Request every 10 seconds and Chart image generation

Level1CoderObjective: HTTP Request every 10 seconds, chart image generation on server and upload back to user's browser for display I wanted to go with LAMP + pChart but worried it might not handle > 1000 of simultaneous users and slow the server down to a crawl. I thought about offloading the chart image...

c# php ruby image-processing chart
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
2:15 AM
holy moly it's cold, and getting colder
heading to 8F/-13C, and windy too
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
2:36 AM
0
A: Looking for good bonus question to test efficiency

ircmaxellTwo things. First, efficiency is about more than execution time. It also is about memory usage, memory access, file-system/resource access, etc. There are tons of things that go into efficiency. Second, I heard this problem about 15 years ago, and I can't forget it: Produce a list of all 5...

 
Moshe
Moshe
Hi, anyone have ideas for game achievements?
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
play for 24 hours straight, get the game for free!
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
What kind of game
 
Moshe
Moshe
A dope wars clone. Where the item being traded is sushi.
I've got ten plus a hidden one.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
Food Poisoning?
 
Moshe
Moshe
2:44 AM
For doing what?
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
eating too much sushi (playing the odds for too long) :-P
 
Moshe
Moshe
You mean holding on to an item for a long time? Nice idea!
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
that too, there you go
 
Moshe
Moshe
What did you mean then?
It seems I misunderstood you.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
I meant as a joke. but if you came up with a real one (which that sounds) based off of that, go for it!
 
Moshe
Moshe
2:46 AM
Heh. Thanks. Is @Zypher around?
Seems not...
Eh.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
Hrm, still no badge. We'll see when it gets done...
 
Moshe
Moshe
What badge?
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
there it is
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
3:01 AM
@Moshe He's suppose to get the bronze regex badge
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
ircmaxell, New Jersey, USA
17.1k 2 9 36
php mysql regex php5 arrays oop sql
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Hmm, seems I was off by an hour.
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
I just found out I earned a badge by clicking your profile to see your badge
 
Moshe
Moshe
Ah. @irc - food poisoning is "ending the game with a full coat"
Heh.
Achievement for my game - "curious" check your achievements.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
nice
 
Moshe
Moshe
3:03 AM
Nice!
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
@DanGrossman lol... Very nice
 
Moshe
Moshe
Wow. Ideas. I hate ideas, because they always mean more code.
@Dan - great. We're a badge ring too?
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
Hurry up and post something so I can upvote it
 
Moshe
Moshe
Hahaha
feels a little better from the humor
The cool part about designing a game is that you can change global variables for testing and accidentally ship with wrong values.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
global variables?
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
3:09 AM
You mean the game doesn't fail its automatic unit tests on compile when you do that?
 
Moshe
Moshe
Heh. @irc - I meant constants.
@Dan I didn't design a unit test.
What kid of unit test should I run?
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
Oh ok
 
Moshe
Moshe
Warm socks are the best in cold weather.
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
I want a snuggie.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
@Dan: Snuggies are like Mopeds, just don't let your friends catch you...
 
Moshe
Moshe
4:12 AM
Wow. No comments in an hour?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
Lies!
There's no '1 hour later'!
 
Moshe
Moshe
4:23 AM
@YiJiang - That's a bug.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
;p;
 
Moshe
Moshe
Designing more achievements
 
Michael Mrozek
Michael Mrozek
5:16 AM
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
6:12 AM
"How old is he?" "30 something I assume. He has a landline and uses the word 'album'."
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
6:31 AM
 
Moshe
Moshe
6:48 AM
Using the function 'randomnum()', which returns a float between 0 and 1, how do I generate an integer between X and Y?
@Yij?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@Moshe X + floor(rand() * (Y - X)))
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
@Moshe arithmetic =p
 
Moshe
Moshe
Ok. Thanks. Looks right.
goes to fix all his generation code
Any clue why I was using rand()%max+min?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@Moshe Erhm... no
 
Moshe
Moshe
It was working like that though...
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
6:58 AM
that should only generate numbers between min and min + 1?
I had a disturbing dream last night.
I had purchased a MacBook Air and attempted to return my HP Envy to a store since I didn't need it anymore.
 
Moshe
Moshe
Heh. Yea. I want a random number between 1 and X.
I think I got it, but I keep getting -1 on one particular run.
Ah, minus instead if plus.
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
7:32 AM
I have this strong urge to drive to a casino and bet $100,000 on a single spin of a roulette wheel
 
Moshe
Moshe
8:17 AM
Don't do it. Buy me an android tablet instead and keep the change.
 
 
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badp
badp
11:47 AM
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
\o/
It's like a digital train to financial pain.
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp TAKE MAH MONEH!!!
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang Singapore money: Unsupported.
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
Gosh, don't know how I missed this... Appcelerator bought Aptana
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Really?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
11:48 AM
@badp :( NOOOOOOO!!! STEVE JOBS MUST HAVE MAH MONEH!!!
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang He accepts other forms of payment, like newborns or "more creative" stuff.
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
@YiJiang Hi, check out my all-caps script at
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Ah ha
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@Nyuszika7H You have seen what Pekka and balpha have already written, right?
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
@YiJiang where?
 
badp
badp
11:50 AM
in the sidebar
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
@YiJiang @badp Huh, nice! That makes the entire page ALL-CAPS, right?
 
badp
badp
all the caps all the time
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
Now I did a lowercase transform. :P
@YiJiang How did you do this?
in ALL CAPS ROOM, Jan 18 at 17:19, by Yi Jiang
STATUS-DOES-THIS-WORK
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@Nyuszika7H [status-something] will become that
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
12:06 PM
→ 5 messages moved to Sandbox
 
badp
badp
@NickCraver Sometimes I wish I could star people cleaning up, but then I'd make more of a mess.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
:) just try to when I notice, going through my morning routine checking lots of stuff now
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
Gah! I don't know why, but the same problem I had yesterday is showing up again
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang It's deploy 'o clock
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp Not with the site, but with my election page - the static cached page
 
badp
badp
12:11 PM
@YiJiang Well, if you make the requests for caching purposes at deploy o' clock I can see trouble coming your way
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp No, it's that weird Firefox ajax issue that's causing the static pages loaded through ajax to show up with strange encoding
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang by the way, your page doesn't like whatever markup jAndy uses for his profile page.
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp Slarks too - I check the markup, and it appears to be invalid, which is strange, since I thought that sort of thing would be impossible with Markdown
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang Markdown allows arbitrary HTML :(
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
12:13 PM
@badp But the SE engine parses most of them out
 
badp
badp
<p>Frontend Developer (JS/jQuery)
<br></p>

<h3>Haves:</h3>

<p><li>Javascript / jQuery</li>
<li>Ajax</li>
<li>Json</li>
<li>HTML(5)</li>
<li>CSS</li>
<li>MySQL</li>
<li>Perl</li>
<br>
Blog: <a href="http://typeofnan.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">typeof NaN</a><br>
Public CV: <a href="http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jandy">http://careers.stackoverflow.com/jandy</a><br>
Contact: andreas.goebel@typeofnan.com</p>
</div>
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
 
badp
badp
The original doesn't seem particularly bad -- sure, except you need to nest `li`s into `ul`s.
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
This should never happen
Should check his profile to see if the mrkup is consistantly broken
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang See my paste above :|
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
12:15 PM
@badp Well, that might have been a paste from the my elections page
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang no, twas from the profile :)
later
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
Urgh.. same story for SLaks - h1 in a in p, WTF?
 
badp
badp
1:01 PM
@YiJiang hm, what's the problem there? It may not be semantic, but it's probably valid.
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp It's not, no
p cannot contain any block level elements, and neither can a
HTML5 relaxed the rules, but that's HTML5
And anyway, it's not just slightly unsemantic, it just plainly doesn't make any sense - you've got a header in your paragraph?
6
A: Over 243,000 views in 3 days?

Ivo FlipseSo to show the curious among you what an impact a viral post being shared on social media can have (points @Arjan): The page views more than doubled that day and we even got an additional 200 new users (on top of our normal growth) Who should we thank for this network effect? Well the next sh...

Still don't understand where in TPB is sending all the traffic to SU
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang yay, I now participate in Meta SU too?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp Apparently :P
 
BrunoLM
BrunoLM
1:31 PM
Hey, I've got a question regarding copyright and stuff. Anyone good at this topic?
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
It depends on the exact question
 
BrunoLM
BrunoLM
What if I get the idea from StackOverflow logo and make my own logo. But from scratch, not copying anything, only the general idea...
Is it copyright infringement in some way?
It would be a similar image, with some differences
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
It is a derivative work, but if it's sufficiently different that nobody could prove it, only this very chat log could result in an action against you.
 
badp
badp
Definitely not copyright, but it might be trademark infringement in some cases
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
lol
What they said
 
badp
badp
1:35 PM
for trademark, you're in the clear if there's no possible confusion whatsoever between Stack Overflow and whatever you're doing
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
@badp Copyright affords exclusive right to make derivative works. The logo is protected by copyright first, and trademark only if registered or used in commerce long enough to warrant common law protection.
 
badp
badp
consult a lawyer for more
@DanGrossman Well, copyright law may kick in too, but I guess trademark is more to the point here
if I use SO's icon flipped for MyLittlePwnies.com I don't think it's copyright law that will get me sued
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
Copyright is the main thing to be worried about here, actually. Higher damages, easier for SO to attack without a court case thanks to the DMCA, easier to prove, and statutory damages available.
 
badp
badp
Anyway
I'm not a lawyer
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
They'll send a DMCA takedown notice to your host, since it takes 2 minutes and no lawyers. That's copyright.
 
badp
badp
1:37 PM
so my words are worthless
 
BrunoLM
BrunoLM
I see. I better forget this idea
hahaha
 
badp
badp
@BrunoLM I suggest you email the team and ask for their opinion.
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
I have sent 93 DMCA notices of infringement myself :p
 
badp
badp
See Jeff's answer on MSO's related question:
16
A: Will Stack Overflow sue me?

Jeff AtwoodYes. We will sue you. YOU JUST GOT SERVED

 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
Related: osqa.net not yet sued, since he's kidding.
 
badp
badp
1:40 PM
@DanGrossman Besides the only thing osqa might be breaking is patents
 
BrunoLM
BrunoLM
And what if my site is not a Q&A ?
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@DanGrossman Well, it's a little hard to sue for the concept of a Q&A site with a reputation and badge system
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
Yes, that's why he's kidding.
@BrunoLM Not relevant to a copyright claim, your logo could be for a childrens story book, exclusive rights are exclusive.
 
badp
badp
@YiJiang You clearly haven't read enough articles about software patents :P
You know that feature of your mobile allowing you to add numbers to your contacts from the missed call list?
Microsoft has a patent for it and used it (amongst others) to sue Motorola.
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp Aye?
@badp Ha! Well that is... sigh
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
1:42 PM
Chart of mobile patent lawsuits in progress
 
badp
badp
The patent. (Excerpt above)
 
BrunoLM
BrunoLM
I guess I will contact Jeff to explain what I want to do and see if there won't be any problems. Thanks for the help :)
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
it's stupid
most of those patents are illegal and should never have been granted in the first place
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@DanGrossman that seems a bit outdated - it should be a giant circle filled with arrows at this point
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
But they were, and the other guy has patents that should never have been granted too, so you sue them to force them to cross-license with you so you won't be sued in the future
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
1:45 PM
@ircmaxell that's not illegal (though I agree most should be), they should be invalid, which takes forever to have an effect, unfortuantely
 
badp
badp
This way the big companies make sure that newer companies have to pay them to compete.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
illegal in the sense that they violate patent law
 
badp
badp
@ircmaxell That's something you have to pay lawyers for to prove.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
concepts cannot be patented. algorithms cannot be patented. Logical derivations cannot be patented
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
iirc, intel pays nvidia something around $1bil per year or 4 to have access to all their patents - yay money
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
1:46 PM
yet 95% of the patents involved fit into one of those three categories
 
badp
badp
@ircmaxell Where do you live? (I mean, country.)
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
New Jersey (USA)
 
badp
badp
Oh, the USA, then you're screwed =P
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
yes
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@ircmaxell no, they don't - that's my point, patent law is subjective, the law governs what happens with a valid patent, what's valid is very subjective in many areas
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
1:47 PM
You don't want them to be patentable, but the courts say they are, so they are until congress writes a new patent law saying otherwise.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
if you want to fight me on that one, I invite you to go look at the list of granted patents
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
It's only subjective in the sense that the patent office doesn't enforce it, they let the courts enforce it
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
It's not like when those patents get to court they're thrown out, they're upheld just as often
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@ircmaxell how can you look at the list of granted and denied patents and with a straight face say it's not subjective?
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
And that's my point, the whole system is broken and needs replacing/eliminating
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
1:48 PM
I think everyone will agree with that in the end
That's the consensus in every other technical community
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
I don't speak for SO of course just me, but software patents shouldn't exist IMO
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
Hi there! :)
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
@Nick: It's subjective due to management, not design. The laws surrounding it aren't nearly as subjective as the way they are being applied
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
It's awfully hard to change patent law considering the US forced virtually the entire world to agree to rewrite their laws to match ours in WIPO treaties
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@ircmaxell sure it is, "obviousness test"
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
1:49 PM
Fair enough
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
I'm not disagreeing with the solution, yes they should go away or the expedience in removing/invalidating obviously over-broad patents should be increased
 
badp
badp
The problem is, believing they are invalid doesn't make them invalid.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
and a little section of the texas court system should be removed as a possible venue for patent cases to start
 
badp
badp
You can't simply dismiss the patent system by saying it's bogus. It's there and if you want it gone someone must make it go.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@badp - I agree, but many are obviously invalid - 1 click to order something? (did you see the originals of this?) there are thousands of examples of that unfortuantely
 
badp
badp
1:52 PM
@NickCraver You're talking about Amazon's patent, right?
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@badp I fully believe that won't happen, not in our lifetime
@badp - sure, that's 1 of 10 1-click happens for ordering alone
 
badp
badp
@Nyuszika7H we're trying to have a discussion here :)
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
Your discussion is interrupting his screenshot
Cut it out
 
badp
badp
@NickCraver I know, but here's the thing
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
→ 2 messages moved to Sandbox
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
1:53 PM
@badp Sorry, I missed the tab. I wanted to post that in Super User.
 
badp
badp
Software patents are mainly a US thing
I'm not even in the US
I am completely powerless to do anything about it
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
@badp Neither me
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
patents and software patents are 2 distinct categories IMO, software patents should go away completely
 
Dan Grossman
Dan Grossman
Time for me to sleep, I'll see where your patent discussion ended up tomorrow
 
badp
badp
It's still frustrating
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
1:56 PM
I don't disagree it's hard to change, it'll take forever for that to happen because of who writes those laws, who lobbies and where the money goes - I'm in full agreement the system is crap, no argument there
 
badp
badp
Still that's how it is
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
There is at least a bit of hope in that fact that now there are many less of the absurdly obvious/over-broad patents aren't being awarded as often - but that's the only good news on it really
The only thing that somewhat quickly gets an obvious patent overturned is a company with decently deep pockets who's trying to make a product and must challenge it to do so
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
Nope, the big names are still getting them through
the sad thing, is if I filed them, I'd be rejected (such as the 1-click)
 
badp
badp
Is it typical of youth to think that the law system is mainly there to screw those youngens who have it so easy nowadays, now please step off the grownups' lawn?
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@badp for some people, yes, sure - not for informed people, not that I see anyway
 
badp
badp
2:00 PM
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
Are there laws there explicitly because enough people were paid to put them there that screw 99% of citizens, sure, absolutely - look at the extensions to copyright well after someone's dead
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
Well, that's to protect corportations at the expense of the people
 
badp
badp
@NickCraver Man, you wouldn't want people starting projecting Mickey Mouse for free now would you?!
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
(not all laws, but copyright is one of the best examples of that)
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
his theme song, sure!
 
badp
badp
2:02 PM
anyway, the software industry has managed to make copyright extensions pointless
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
let's take a look at a very recent copyright example: dailytech.com/…
 
badp
badp
by the time your work is in the public domain there'll be no way to use it anyway...
if I wanted to play the original Super Mario today, how would I do that?!
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
But it's not in the public domain
not by a long shot
(and if it was, you could port the source code)
or build an emulator (which many have done)
 
badp
badp
> In essence, their argument also boils down that it was too hard to find and legally purchase the tracks.
I like this argument, I'll use it when I'll go around of abandonware
"The buy link isn't in the first Google hit for the game, that's enough research for me"
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
for 300,000 songs the record companies themselves willfully infringed (they even set aside money for a lawsuit in case it happened), they paid $45M ($150 per), yet when they sue someone for doing the same thing they try for judgments (and argue they're valid) of $2M for 24 songs ($80,000 per)
 
badp
badp
2:04 PM
@ircmaxell Yeah, it's not in the public domain yet and there's basically no way to play it (legally), go figure when it'll eventually be
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
....yeah, and this is allowed? you lose a great deal of faith in the system
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
by that time, they'll prob extend the the cpyright
@NickCraver That should be the exact reason they should not be allowed to sue at all. The fact that they were proven guilty of the same thing they are going after others for doing
but that would make sense...
 
badp
badp
@NickCraver But man, they are so poor, all those pirates stealing their stuff, I mean, look at their profits, they are so sinking, except they're not!
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@ircmaxell I live in a county where a sheriff convicted (and jailed) for a half dozen crimes, mis treatment, embezzling, etc.....they had to pass a state law that says a convicted felon can't run for sheriff because there was a decent change people would re-elect him
nothing surprises me much anymore :)
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
really? wow
 
badp
badp
2:07 PM
@NickCraver meh, I live in Italy
'nuff said.
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
Debate: should I go play poker, or just chill here
I'm thinking to go to the casino
 
badp
badp
@ircmaxell you lose no money here, you gain no money there.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
Gerald Hege
Gerald Hege (born 1948 in Davidson County, NC) was the controversial sheriff of Davidson County, North Carolina. A veteran of the Vietnam War, he became famous for his highly eccentric behavior, his internationally-known television show, and eventually for the charges of corruption that led to his resignation. He is a Republican, and former head of the Davidson County Republican Party. Hege's management style as head of the Davidson County Republican Party sparked a rift that nearly split county Republicans. Gerald Hege was elected sheriff in 1994 by a margin of 261 votes. One of his b...
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
true...
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
"His personal patrol vehicle was a 1995 Chevrolet Impala with a Chevrolet Corvette engine and nitrous oxide tanks. His department lost its insurance coverage when he boasted that he had driven the vehicle at speeds of up to 140 mph. "
....yeah
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
2:09 PM
lol
bb in a little bit
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
from the end: "Hege has said that he plans to run again, although with the November 2010 passage of an amendment to the North Carolina state constitution that bars convicted felons from serving as sheriff this is unlikely."
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
yawns Good morning all...again...
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
mm, tis chatty in here!
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
19 hours ago, by Tim Stone
@YiJiang window is so outdated. $(window).data() is where it's at.
nice.
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Heheh :P
 
badp
badp
2:14 PM
the message is on the sidebar for starring purposes :P
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Naturally jQuery is the solution to all things, including things that don't need solutions (Well, that, or they're in such desperate need of jQuery that they aren't aware that there's a problem to need a solution for).
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
well JavaScript does run on jQuery, at least in Chrome, that's why it's so fast
 
badp
badp
For a moment I thought you were serious there.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
I feel that my profile clears me of any bad answers, it says I have no idea what I'm talking about...
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
At this point I'm convinced you're just a jQuery bot. How better to know the answers to 10K jQuery questions than to be jQuery?
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
2:22 PM
heh this bot's too busy for many answers these days - working on a big change ;)
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Oh, that sounds exciting! :)
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
That does look like a bit of a flattening at the top of your rep graph (;
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
haha, awwww my graph was awesome to look at
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I'm sure they're putting your skills to good use over there, just make sure they remember to let you eat and stuff ;)
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
I have, thus far, done very little JavaScript :)
no kidding, <10 lines, just little fixes - this week was database-related
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
2:24 PM
I was under the impression that your skillset was a little more extensive anyway :P
 
badp
badp
he's building SOIS's own Rovio, in a fit of NIH. Jeff was unsatisfied by how little it resembles an unicorn.
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
@TimStone Wait...we're allowed to eat? WHY didn't anyone tell me this?!
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@RebeccaChernoff - only the in-house employees, all the remote ones are on a strict no-bathroom-breaks policy
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@badp Ah ha
 
balpha
balpha
$(".food").appendTo(stomach);
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
2:26 PM
don't listen to @balpha, he's just too far away to get the beatings for non-compliance
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@RebeccaChernoff I think I did, the other day when you were supposed to go pick up Chinese food. Why aren't you providing for the community?!
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
pfffft
Get yer own food!
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
I am, I'm driving down to Virginia for lunch today. :P
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
You have to leave the state for food?
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Yeah.. :(
But I actually told my grandmother I'd come visit her sometime, so finally getting around to that.
 
badp
badp
2:29 PM
(state: at computer) → (state: dress up) → (state: get out) → (state: buy food)
The cost of the first transition is pretty high.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
what is this "out" you speak of?
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@balpha I was going to scream in your direction earlier by the way, having tried to debug an issue, but luckily Jarrod was on the case and took care of it. ;)
 
balpha
balpha
yeah, I saw it :)
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Oh right, everyone pretend that we're chained to our machines so Nick doesn't feel bad.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
I'm not around on the weekends much atm, too much new house stuff to do :)
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
2:31 PM
@balpha If it's more annoying than helpful, I should probably stop that, but I wasn't sure. Obviously you guys can figure that stuff out, just didn't want make you spend too much time looking for something that we can all see, heh.
 
badp
badp
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
waiting on the sheetrock finishing guy (hopefully monday) and painters for the main room (next week?) mainly at this point - finished framing, wiring, insulating, drywalling the new room
 
badp
badp
> Client: “I don’t know who this is or what the hell you want from me but listen up: fooling someone to make you a website isn’t a crime!” You’re a damn lawyer, you should know websites aren’t real. A website isn’t a thing, you can’t steal it! [designer] can still look at it, it’s still kinda his!”
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
@NickCraver, when you're done, I've got a few minor things that could be done here.
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@badp Why did you trick me into letting you make me a website!
 
balpha
balpha
2:33 PM
@TimStone Worst thing that can happen is that you have a bunch of posts on meta with comments saying "Damn it, you were better than us... again!" from SO devs. Sounds like a good thing to put into a careers CV :)
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@RebeccaChernoff sure! might head your way this coming christmas actually, wife's parents are out near Kansas City, hell of a drive
 
badp
badp
@balpha Wait, duplicating efforts is now a good thing? :P
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
Ah, nice. KC is where I'm from. As many times as I've done the 4-hour drive between, anything longer than 4-hours just feels way way way way way too long, heh.
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@balpha Hahah, "better" is definitely not the right word, just first to the plate. ;) But I'll go with that, then. I try to stick to the non-obvious issues anyway, in part because trying to debug code I'm not familiar with helps me stop making assumptions about the code I am, heheh.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
16 from here!
 
Rebecca Chernoff
Rebecca Chernoff
2:36 PM
yeah, add a few more "way"s on there.
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Don't forget the classic extended "waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay" too.
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
I wonder, if anyone here has played with this or something similar to this framework: thejit.org for building graphs
Raphael is probably not specialized enough for this
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
@YiJiang I have not, but that's very interesting....hmm. Thanks for sharing.
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
Extremely interesting - I mean complex graph drawing with JavaScript, I didn't even considered it possible!
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
It seems your serious talk about graphs has killed the chat :(
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
2:49 PM
Awwww...
Well, fine, what graphing software should we use to map out a unicorn?
 
Tim Stone
Tim Stone
Heh :P Should go get ready now...back in a few.
 
Tshepang
Tshepang
Would this question survive if asked today?
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Q: Which blog engines, written in Python, do you recommend?

Rui VieiraEven though I'm quite happy with WordPress, I'm mainly coding in Python nowadays, and wanted to eat my own dog food, ie improve my Python knowledge by studying the source code and contributing with plugins (if the engine allows it). After searching, I've already encountered Byteflow and PyBlosxo...

python open-source blog-engine
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@Tshepang Possibly, the number of Python engines are not as large as that for PHP ones, though given that question already exists your hypothetical question will be closed as dupe
 
Tshepang
Tshepang
ok
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
You have to be specific about your purposes - the more detail, the less subjective, and the less likely it will be closed
 
badp
badp
3:08 PM
@Tshepang Vote to close from me
except I can't vote
so I'll flag
which can actually be more powerful!
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp Ironically.
 
badp
badp
For some reason I'd like to have this as a flagging interface!
it's so web 2.0!
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@badp Hahaha
 
badp
badp
You are in a maze of flag reasons, all alike, blah blah blah.
but it's not infinite.
big flaw.
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
@Nyuszika7H use this for testing:
→ 3 messages moved to Sandbox
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
3:16 PM
@NickCraver I know…
 
Nick Craver
Nick Craver
you say that, but you keep actually testing here...
 
Nyuszika7H
Nyuszika7H
@NickCraver see the sandbox now :P
 
balpha
balpha
10 minutes long, but pretty funny
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
0
Q: Reason for: Trying to get property of non-object in php

Kuttu$EODQuery = "SELECT * FROM EOD WHERE Symbol LIKE '$start' LIMIT 1 OFFSET $limit"; $EODRes = $mysqli->query($EODQuery); I get an error, but not when i directly query the database.

php
I can't stand it when people post wrong errors. Why not just copy-paste the error into the question
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
3:42 PM
meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/76053/… Is he really daft enough to go to E&R to ask about wi-fi config? O_O
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
3:58 PM
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
@ircmaxell Brilliant!
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Q: Web Development Law/Ownership of Website

I'm a budding web developer, and I wondered if it was illegal to edit a website for a client to include a link that says 'encourage the owner of this site to pay their web developer' and follows up with a pre-made email encouraging the man to pay me. Here are the conditions: I've completed the...

web-development business law
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
hehehe
 
Yi Jiang
Yi Jiang
I moved this one over the other day, hehe
 
ircmaxell
ircmaxell
popped up in my feed reader today
 
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