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Q: In all chats, "[Chat.SE]" expands to a Server Fault link

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As the title says. Write "[Chat.SE] roflcopter" in the input box. Press enter. Chat message appears, rendered as "Server Fault roflcopter". Roflcopter.

so all my questions and answers were down voted by a user with VERY high rep. What can I do?

also was accused of being a troll by the same user

anyone active in here?

well over 200k rep

If the is a serial downvoting it will be usually be detected and reversed.

oh cool

yeah he down voted munch of them within seconds of each other

12:22 AM

You can just suspect it is the user you are talking about, so if you want to report it to stackoverflow.com/contact just describe the situation from your point.

just counted and he down voted 28 questions and answer in 3 minutes

thanks. i saw that on meta and have already sent an email

user202362

A lot of the times I look at those legitimate maths and physics questions, I could not but feel depressed about how much knowledge that I have once known but forgotten.

Avoid to accuse someone, you can express a suspicion, but you can't be sure, stay polite.

will do

It looks obvious serial downvoted ... I suspect it will be reversed soon.

12:27 AM

@khuderm Yeah, that should definitely get reversed by the serial voting detector script. If not, report it as a bug. But reporting it to the mods/staff is also a good idea, because they can look into it and (at least) tell the user who did it to stop. Honestly, if it's really a 200k+ user, then they should know better.

yeah once I realized there were a series of down votes I was a little unsure as to what to do. jumped on meta and did some research. reported to the staff. came here to see if there is more that i can do.

Server Fault

ROFLKoptr

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: What free online educational resources should pilots in training be aware of? by jskypilot on aviation.stackexchange.com

for me that much reputation gave me a little scare. you're right he should have know better but what scared me more was the thought "what else can he do to me? he has so much more privileges with that amount of rep"

thank you guys for your help

@khuderm I am skeptical about whether he would be so stupid as to do something at + 200k, but you always can trust the mods / staff.

12:41 AM

sd f

12:57 AM

@bummi I am pretty sure it is him. I remember his rep before the down vote. I saw my rep initially and went to my profile to investigate. Of course I couldn't see exactly who it was. I assumed it was him and went to his profile to see his rep down by quite a lot. I could be totally wrong and could be accusing the wrong person. But like you said, the mods/staff can be trusted. I just hope that he was just having a bad day and overreacted a little.

Q: When higher grades are more common than lower grades

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The usual assumption in education is that grades follow some sort of normal curve. My question is about situations where the grade distribution curve is a rising one. More A's than B's, and more B's than C's, etc. In educational setting: Is there a name for this situation? Are there studies or me...

undergraduate-education

Meh, I think if you don't have a (ignoring the bottom 10% and top 5%) single modal left-skewed disto you're probably doing something wrong.

1:13 AM

!!/hats

@UNIKITTY2.0 HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will begin in 1 day, 22 hours, 46 minutes and 25 seconds. :D

YEY

Autocomplete sucks

1:27 AM

Yay, just in time for exam week!

1:40 AM

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tchrist

@bjb568 Aren’t you a little young to be going to the proctologist again?

:o

@bjb568 meow

:0

Winter Bash 2015 begins December 14 at midnight UTC.

Gotta get to work. See ya.

@SmokeDetector f

2:00 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Shortened URL in answer: Applying DFT to signal twice by skyexpo on math.stackexchange.com

When I visit that link I get the following error: "You have either reached a page that is unavailable for viewing or reached your viewing limit for this book". Please summarise the content at that link, and if necessary note the book and page number. Internet links, unlike diamonds, are not forever. — Marconius Nov 1 at 15:06

Hi @Marconius, I did two modifications to my post. 1. I shorten the previous url using bit.ly. 2. I added capture of the area which shows relevant information. — skyexpo Nov 2 at 0:54

@hichris123 s/unl/l/

2:45 AM

@SmokeDetector why

@Doorknob Body - Position 27-33: porn

sd f

@Doorknob [:4317499] That message is not a report.

COME ON

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sd 2k

!!/alive?

@bjb568 ... did I miss something?

Yes

Or is the default no response?

!!/status

@hichris123 Running since 03:03:04 UTC (79 minutes)

4:22 AM

oh right k == tpu-

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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: What About Free Trial gives you? by jenniferjuriyam on askubuntu.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer, Blacklisted user: Drupal still working without .htaccess file by user5671175 on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer, Blacklisted user: Putting Logic in a CoreData Model by user5671175 on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body: Boost your short and long term memory by ryaneaton on meta.stackexchange.com

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: PLEASE HELP! looking for a movie but only know one trailer part by elena huss on movies.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: TECHNOLOGY BEHIND MOBILE TOWER by lydia on apple.stackexchange.com

5:35 AM

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6:08 AM

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6:25 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to get checked checkbox value after submit using angularjs? by Paul Mark on stackoverflow.com

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6:52 AM

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[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Processing posted data in Express + Node.js? by Emmanuel Iluore on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Chinese character in title: 美国学历文凭Q微信956290760伊利诺理工大学IIT毕业证成绩单学历认证使馆认证illinois Institute of technology by dsfeade01 on apple.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: MSBI Online Training? by maalaab on stackoverflow.com

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sd 10k

They just keep on coming.

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: Celebrity Hair Style And Best Hairstyle Ideas by Raszsloi on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: How Vegetarians And Vegetarians Can-Eat For Muscle Building by jillskeller on superuser.com

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ELECTRICITY AND MAGNETISM by mark sasing on physics.stackexchange.com

7:38 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Removes The Numbness Caused In Hands by carolsarnes on security.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: How do I get each line from an NSString? by Vineet Choudhary on stackoverflow.com

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user202362

@SmokeDetector tpu

@Telkitty Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive.

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: How can I convince the university to apply security upgrades to the online learning system? by John Watson on academia.stackexchange.com

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8:10 AM

sd 4trueu-

That spam just won't stop.

8:24 AM

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8:47 AM

sd 3trueu-

user202362

8:57 AM

user202362

brutal ...

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: How can Care of my Skin? by CorrinaKelly on superuser.com

9:19 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Are You Using The Highest Rated Wrinkle Cream? by user55275 on drupal.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, phone number detected in title: How to Get My Love Back in Bangalore, 9602314644 Vashikaran Specialist by sohani devi on gaming.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: The Best Skin Firming and Anti Aging Creams by donal dsusie on security.stackexchange.com

!!/report gaming.stackexchange.com/q/247403/93824

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9:40 AM

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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body: For getting its free trial pack? by poihyujfd on askubuntu.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Supplementing our diets in adding by user532844 on superuser.com

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[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body: ORACLE OAF TRAINING by njwala89 on stackoverflow.com

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10:18 AM

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Common mistakes in making the custom essay writing by Perryman on stackoverflow.com

@Telkitty This is a suggestion for Winterbash?

user202362

@S.L.Barth sharp, pointy hat or watermelon?

Watermelon hat.

user202362

why not :p (I have this sudden urge to have watermelon ...)

user202362

sweet, juicy ... and none around :'(

10:29 AM

!!/watermelon

sd 5k

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[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer: What are the advantages of using the Huntsman? by ArkhamDestroyer84 on gaming.stackexchange.com

sd 3k

Oh, that last one might be an answer ... it tries to answer the question but the answer it self is opinion based I guess...

sd gone-

10:47 AM

@rene What, the gaming.SE one? That's not an attempt to answer.

I don't know the standards on Arquade ;)

I'm only mildly trolling here....

Bart

11:04 AM

:D

Upvoted

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Monster Muscle X Quite often by user311215 on meta.stackexchange.com

[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: How To Achieve Healthy, Younger Looking Skin? by sebastianze on stackoverflow.com

[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, pattern-matching website in title: http://nationalfitnesspoint.com/naturacel/ by gurinder99 on meta.stackexchange.com

11:19 AM

@SmokeDetector k

!!/hats

@UNIKITTY2.0 HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will begin in 1 day, 12 hours, 32 minutes and 38 seconds. :D

@Bart Flags as voting abuse

The painful thing is, that post is still there. At -5, but it would be nice if it was destroyed by now.

Oh well. It's at the bottom and won't get much attention. Other than being flagged.

Most gamers are probably asleep now

11:35 AM

Asleep after a long, hard night of saving virtual worlds.

user202362

not if they live anywhere near my timezone

...or maybe a long, hard day of saving virtual worlds.

user202362

games are lame, stock market is the better, it could only go up and down & you score with real money :p

user202362

Massively multiplayer online game - some are even professionals (you call them traders or investor bankers)

user202362

When you get paid to play a game, it becomes a job

user202362

11:44 AM

It can be extremely addictive too!

user202362

It's all about information and strategy

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, pattern-matching website in body: It is acceptable to cheat a little when lifting by HolmGass01 on stackoverflow.com

user202362

@SmokeDetector tpu

@Telkitty Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body: SAP BO Online Training by anni78 on stackoverflow.com

12:06 PM

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12:22 PM

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tpu

@SmokeDetector tpu

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive.

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Hi I need help please by autotech101 on crypto.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: Hi I need help please by Kevin__ on crypto.stackexchange.com (@Unihedron)

sd 2f

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in body, repeating characters in body, repeating characters in title: gggggggggggggfffffffffffffff by James on stackoverflow.com

12:38 PM

@SmokeDetector ignore

@bummi Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

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@SmokeDetector tpu

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive.

!!/report drupal.stackexchange.com/q/183775/20140

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: athletic-greens by jony on drupal.stackexchange.com

12:57 PM

Very nice. I'll probably get my Marshal badge on Drupal.SE during Winterbash.

....so if there's a hat for getting a Gold badge again, I'll get it on Drupal.SE.

user202362

I could do with 0 Xmas 0 Easter and 10 April fools day a year

In binary? :-P

@S.L.Barth keep my fingers crossed :) gtg cu

@bummi ok, see you!

user202362

@S.L.Barth good one :p

2:31 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: MFC AmelieMay private show by John Demarinis on stackoverflow.com

2:46 PM

Anyone here for a close vote: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/270732/…

really needs migration to be honest

3:29 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of answer: py2exe for Python 3.3 by noel on stackoverflow.com

3:52 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps answer: Android:How to get current location NAME of user in the way a most primitive phone does it? (without internet or gps) by sunil on stackoverflow.com

4:13 PM

@IlmariKaronen but on MSE there are no diamond mods, only staff ...

@rene OK, yeah, that's a valid point.

What I was trying to get at is that the OP doesn't need to specifically contact an SE employee; a regular mod flag is good enough for migration (on any site).

True, but your suggestion was maybe even better. No staff got hurt in that process

tchrist

@rene Or rather, all mods are staff, although the reverse is not true.

Yeah ...

Santa Claus

4:32 PM

-3

Q: Robot Navigation System

Requirement 1: You are required to develop a robot navigation system that allows a robot to navigate safely and successfully in an n*n chessboard. The value of n is determined at run time by the user. The starting cell and the ending one are also determined by the end user. The ches...

java

There was an answer from a user "Solutions Library" which I'd never seen before...gone now

Weird bot or something

Someone spamvertizing their own library?

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SESSION VALUES NOT SAVING by Muneeb Syed on stackoverflow.com

4:50 PM

@SantaClaus do you want a screen shot?

5:05 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: Get size of all tables in database by SLabs on stackoverflow.com

5:49 PM

Sigh... I have some code that I need to test that involves the AJAX loading of new answers, but nobody seems to be posting any. :(

I've got a dozen new easy questions on SO opened in tabs, but... nothing.

Where are all the FGITW answerers when you need them?

6:02 PM

Ah, finally, an answer. And looks like my code is working, yay!

inorganic-chemistry ionic-compounds ions mole stoichiometry terminology atoms

Sufyan Naeem, Karachi, Pakistan

133 8

I just mistook him for @Ilmari.

@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Yeah, I can see the resemblance. It's the wrong shade of red, though. Mine's more like salmon, really. :)

(I actually sampled the color in my avatar from the gravatar image I originally had, which also looked vaguely like that.)

8:01 PM

Tavern iz krill!

Huh two hours passed,

and I'm still here.

And the Great and Powerful Smoke Detector has returned!

!!/hats

@S.L.Barth HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will begin in 1 day, 3 hours, 53 minutes and 2 seconds. :D

@SmokeDetector woohoo!

[ SmokeDetector ] Few unique characters in answer, repeating characters in answer: How do I get more pets for my dwellers? by Destiny on gaming.stackexchange.com

8:25 PM

Is there already some info on the hats for this year? Something that got leaked?

...or just hinted at by the SE team?

yes

@S.L.Barth Edit revisions AFACT.

I mean edit reasons.

Edit reasons? We have to look through edit histories to find what was leaked?

You can ask the likes of @Derpy.

Should I flag this commit: github.com/StackExchange/stack-blog/commit/…

8:34 PM

I never understood this leaking craze though. Do you like it when your house smells like poop after a leak in the pipes?

@rene Huh the hell?!

feature-request make another cosmetic thingy for Smokey: Add a !!/howareyou command to which it/he/she responds "ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ".

It could responds something else, of course.

@rene No, using Ruby is not an offense.

feature-request disable all that non-sense for rooms that are not intersted in those cosmetic thingys

@S.L.Barth Oh, if you say so...

@S.L.Barth why did you vote to close this question as "Unclear"?

I've now edited it with a screenshot.

@ShadowWizard ...and a few lines. It was unclear to me what they meant with a fake e-mail address, because as I recalled, confirmation of the e-mail was required.

@S.L.Barth only on Careers, maybe Area 51

8:42 PM

Close vote retracted.

@rene umm.... isn't that Kasra there, SE employee?? (and high ranking one...)

yeah

@S.L.Barth thanks! Downvotes should probably remain though, as he's wrong about spam.

@rene so you flag it. He gets to handle the flag. You lose. :D

Hadn't voted on it. And at the current state there's hardly a need to downvote it further. I'd rather wait to see if this gets improved.

(can such a comment be changed at all, without nuking the whole commit?)

@S.L.Barth yup, me too. Though for me it was "only" -3 or so when answering.

8:47 PM

Meta can be very harsh that way. The question isn't that bad, it's just making some wrong assumptions.

@S.L.Barth famous last words of many people on MSE, yup

But like on SO, I want to believe this is a barrier that help to retain at least some quality in the bug reports, feature requests, etc

Otherwise if anything will be upvoted blindly, MSE will become a messy jungle

Downvotes are simply needed, both on the main sites and on the metas.

Still, I think we're seeing the limits of what community moderation can do well.

@S.L.Barth True. Nothing is perfect...

It's a problem of scale. And maybe a problem of having grown too fast.

If a site audience grows linearly, the new members can be shown the ropes by the existing members.

But linear growth is hardly the norm on the internet, I think.

I've always enjoyed showing new users how the site works, but there are so many of them.

Conversely, we have acquired a great deal of rules on this site - that are obvious to us, but not to newcomers.

@ShadowWizard I think this is a re-post from earlier but I couldn't find it in the transcript, WTF seems common at SE

9:01 PM

@rene lol, SE team going wild....

@S.L.Barth yeah, and usually I tend to try and explain, but admit that not always

!!/hats?

@ShadowWizard HATS ARE AWESOME. Winter Bash will begin in 1 day, 2 hours, 53 minutes and 6 seconds. :D

I've been thinking about this lately, but I haven't come up with any good ideas.

@S.L.Barth nothing we can do, I fear - that's just how MSE always was, and unless major part of the veteran users leave, it won't change.

Just ask, and I leave

I don't think that MSE will get better if the veterans leave.

9:11 PM

@S.L.Barth never said better, just that only then things can change :)

(and without flowers, it will just become too gray ;))

Both true :-)

9:24 PM

Fine then, I grow here...

Just careful with your thorns, @rene

Yes, I have shown both sides today already

9:47 PM

Huh... is it just me, or did the chat reply links just break for everyone?

It still works in another tab that I haven't refreshed. o_O

> TypeError: e.messageId is not a function

Hmm, yeah, looks like the latest chat JS update broke something.

Seems you're right, just refreshed the Tavern tab and I have the same problem.

-  function O() {
-    var e = $(this).closest('.message').messageId(),
-    t = $('#input').focus().val().replace(/^:([0-9]+)\s+/, '');
-    r(':' + e + ' ' + t).focus()
+  function U(e) {
+    e = e || $(this).closest('message');
+    var t = e.messageId(),
+    n = $('#input').focus().val().replace(/^:([0-9]+)\s+/, '');
+    r(':' + t + ' ' + n).focus()
   }

This change looks like the likely culprit. /cc @balpha

@IlmariKaronen yup, broken indeed

(Of course, it would be easier to debug stuff like this if we could actually view the unminified source somehow... wink, wink, nudge.)

!!/blame

9:56 PM

@ShadowWizard It's Tunaki's fault.