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13:09
@rene Yes and yes.
:)
@JonasCz The mere name of a programming language, a program, a type of computer, an operating system, or a kind of phone has no need of monospace, and to use such for it only makes the posting harder to read while serving no other purpose. The balance shifts when you have full expressions, like a function call with arguments: thatโ€™s clearly code. However, Iโ€™m not convinced mere class names alone unfailingly demand code formatting. Clarity is the goal.
on the other hand... OP approved it
Soโ€ฆ are you sayingโ€ฆ code formatting isn't for emphasis? :o
WHAT ABOUT CAPS?
13:15
@Braiam People are dumb.
@bjb568 YOU obVIOUSLY DOn'T NeEd* them
scurries away
@tchrist Are you a person?
r u hooman?
@Unihedron obviously he's a geometric figure
13:21
๐•€๐•— ๐“Ž๐˜ฐ๐˜‚ ๐“‡๐šŽ๐•’๐š•๐–‘๐•ช ๐‘™โ„ด๐–›๐˜ฆ ๐”ฐ๐–”๐’Ž๐”ข๐™ค๐—‡๐•–, ๐‘™๐”ข๐–†๐•ง๐‘’ ๐šŒ๐—ผ๐’Ž๐“‚๐—ฒ๐’๐‘ก๏ฟฝ‌​๏ฟฝ ๐–”๐—‡๐—…๐˜บ ๐•š๐’ ๐—ฟ๐š๐™ฃ๐”ฐ๐š˜๐—บ-๐š—๐˜ฐ๐”ฑ๐’† ๐•—๐”ฌ๐—‹๐—†๐’ถ๐˜ต๐ญ๐—‚๐—ป๐‘”.
Stupid bugs.
yo no moar squares pl0x
I am using standard Unicode codepoints that have been around for fifteen years.
You no more bad computer please.
Bigotry against code points is unseemly.
@tchrist 15 years is short
use moar establzht tech plez
Bah.
๐•ด ๐’ถ๐™ข ๐˜‚๐•ค๐˜ช๐—ป๐—ด ๐‘’๐’”๐™ฉ๐™–๐™—๐—…๐”ฆ๐–˜๐™๐—ฒ๐š ๐”ฑ๐–พ๐–ˆ๐’‰. ๐šˆ๐”ฌ๐’– ๐—๐’‚๐”ณ๐™š ๐‘›๐™ค ๐’„โ„ด๐™ข๐‘‌​๐–š๐—๐‘’๐“‡.
แต‚แต‰ แตƒหกหก สฐแตƒแต›แต‰ แต’แต˜สณ แถœสณแต’หขหขแต‰หข แต—แต’ แต‡แต‰แตƒสณ
13:25
๐ˆ ๐š๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐ฌ๐ข๐ง๐  ๐š ๐œ๐จ๐ฆ๐ฉ๐ฎ๐ญ๐ž๐ซ. ๐“๐ก๐š๐ญ'๐ฌ ๐ฐ๐ก๐ฒ ๐ˆ'๐ฆ ๐ž๐ฏ๐ž๐ง ๐ก๐ž๐ซ๐ž.
๐ผ ๐‘Ž๐‘š ๐‘ข๐‘ ๐‘–๐‘›๐‘” ๐‘Ž ๐‘๐‘œ๐‘š๐‘๐‘ข๐‘ก๐‘’๐‘Ÿ. ๐‘‡๐‘•๐‘Ž๐‘ก'๐‘  ๐‘ค๐‘•๐‘ฆ ๐ผ'๐‘š ๐‘’๐‘ฃ๐‘’๐‘› ๐‘•๐‘’๐‘Ÿ๐‘’.
@bjb568 Only the two Unicode REPLACEMENT CHARACTERS are the dumb SE Cโ™ฏ programmersโ€™ UTF-16โ€“vsโ€“UCS-2 mindfucl<. The rest is working as designed.
I suggest getting one that supports technology that is at least as recent as fifteen years ago, or else to back off on complaining about those of us who do.
This is of course only a suggestion.
^ proof that I'm using a computer
you know what we need? we need IRC!
DevDoodle has a chat too.
13:30
right?!
@bjb568 But it has a broken markdown parser.
At least IRC doesn't have a broken markdown parser.
@Unihedron whajamean?
IRC doesn't have mardown...
@Braiam Exactel.
13:36
DSC by the Sea, or Mar Downโ€™s Syndrome Chat in less prosaic terms.
Weโ€™ll change it once we stop conserving time in a bottle cast upon the waves.
@PeterJ troll?
@bjb568 Edited by a 7k user, but I think at any rep level you still have the character limits?
flagged vlq both q & a
13:39
@PeterJ It's full of whitespace.
@PeterJ zero width char
The zero-width space (ZWSP) is a non-printing character used in computerized typesetting to indicate word boundaries to text processing systems when using scripts that do not use explicit spacing, or after characters (such as the slash) that are not followed by a visible space but after which there may nevertheless be a line break. Normally, it is not a visible separation, but it may expand in passages that are fully justified. == Usage == In HTML pages, the zero-width space can be used as a potential line-break in long words as an alternative to the <wbr> element. However, the zero-width space...
Ahh didn't notice that, just pressed edit button and saw nothing
hmโ€ฆ not even zero-width
@PeterJ That's what I thought too, but when I did Ctrl+A I saw pretty much selected text.
13:40
no haz downv? Flag VLQ!
in Ask Ubuntu General Room on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 37 secs ago, by Tim
@terdon Will do, just testing some things for a few mins
Flag away. At their high rep and activity they won't get banned, but hey... :P
Tim
Tim
@bjb568 a combo of spaces and no width spaces
@Tim FEFF?
Tim
Tim
13:43
???
Why didn't you use the MSE sandbox instead of posting that thread?
Tim
Tim
It needed to be a question
Still could have posted it on MSE instead of a "productiony" site
Is this a setup for getting Peer Pressure? @Tim
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13:45
Do other browsers not allow clicking on whitespace? ^^
Tim
Tim
@bjb568 I <s>can't</s> can click it,. but only because of the space chars
^ there's clickable whitespace
Tim
Tim
@Unihedron only because i'd put in spaces, so I could copy/paste it
if there was no spaces it would't be
@Tim I can copy/paste ZWSPs
may be just a mac thing
Tim
Tim
I can't select them
I'm on linux
idk if the mac can, i may try later :)
13:49
@Tim meh, get a real OS
@Tim I'm also on linux.
Tim
Tim
:P I have windows 10 in vb and am trying to get osx in vb
but not easy
FF/XFCE/Debian/Linux?
Chrome on Ubuntu.
goes to eat blueberry pie
Tim
Tim
13:50
Chrome on Ubuntu
UH OH
!!/alive?
@Unihedron Kinda sorta
SMOKEY!!!
phew
it didn't crash him
@Tim FAKE MOD MENU DETECTED
@Undo it's a userscript.
got a problem with userscripts involving diamonds? :P
13:53
Nah, but at least make it the right color.
Tim
Tim
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Q: Script Request - Meta Notifications

TimMods are notified when a new meta post is started on HSM meta by a diamond on the top bar lighting up in blue. Here it is, not lit up: Proposal: Let users of sufficiently high rep see the same notifications as moderators. This would be quite handy for those active on meta. Source (1) How ...

or, you know
Tim
Tim
@Undo forgot about that :p
Tim could secretly be an undercover mod and undercover mod has tools in different colors
dun dun dun
Tim
Tim
@Unihedron what would crash him?
#undercovermod ftw!
13:57
@Unihedron and a slightly off-center diamond?
:)
hey, it's a matter of perspective
for Tim, yours is off-centered
but mine's gen-u-wine
Tim
Tim
@Undo I'm testing the brand new design :p jk
<div class="topbar-links">
                    <div class="mod-only">

                            <a href="/admin/dashboard" class="topbar-icon icon-flag yes-hover" title="1 post flagged for moderator attention">
                                <span class="flag-count unread-count">1</span>
                            </a>

                            <a href="#" class="topbar-icon icon-inbox-mod yes-hover js-mod-inbox-button " data-url="/topbar/mod-inbox" data-unread-class="" title="Moderator inbox">
^ HTML if that helps any
relevant css plz
Tim
Tim
13:59
25
Sandbox

Proposed Q&A site for anyone who needs to be able to post test questions and answers (for example bug testing), without annoying others on meta sites.

Currently in definition.

@Unihedron no special mod CSS IIRC
anyway, gtg cya
Tim
Tim
^^^ I think that would be perfect for what I did today :p
Tim
Tim
@Unihedron would upvote if i could
@PeterJ No, it doesnโ€™t.
Eventually they leave you alone.
For example, I havenโ€™t been challenged as a machine in years.
Itโ€™s the human challenges I have more trouble with. :)
@bjb568 ZWSP is one of those \p{GC=Cf} code points, so a \p{Control} and \p{Format} character. It is not considered \p{Whitespace}.
14:10
@Undo What's the colour for unread notifications?
@tchrist, confused now so I don't know if that means I failed the Turing test or you
Pie was yum
@PeterJ What, with my use of ZWSP as a short cut for ZERO WIDTH SPACE, or Unicode character properties?
Or talking about edit limits?
@tchrist Still a reasonable character to select.
For certain values of select.
@Unihedron No, but what Jan said.
@hichris123 Yes.
@Unihedron ... yes what?
14:19
@hichris123 ok
@hichris123 No.
@hichris123 No.
@hichris123 no.
@hichris123 nope
@Unihedron Yes.
@cybermonkey Ok.
@hichris123 don't think so, just a low-quality question asked on the wrong site
14:37
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating words in body: Separar conteúdo de uma coluna em outras colunas by Joyce Maia on pt.stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector ignore
@cybermonkey Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
Why canโ€™t I edit that?
@tchrist I just submitted an edit, you can't submit a suggested edit while there's one pending.
Bad failure mode.
Tim
Tim
@tchrist same issue. That's a scary warning :p
"Another issue is awaiting approval for this publication. They can not be sent until the other issues pending edit is reviewed."
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The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings.
Please try the following:

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Click the Back button to try another link.

DNS Fail
bug bug?
Goose?
@Tim I donโ€™t get that. I get DNS fail.
Tim
Tim
@tchrist oh :/ internet issue?
14:43
Unlikely.
It is only when there is a pending edit.
That I cannot approve.
bah, this user's annoying me
@tchrist Is this Safari?
@hichris123 Yes.
rejected my edit, but submitted exactly the same edit afterwards
@cybermonkey Was it rejected by the OP, or due to an edit conflict?
14:46
> Esta edição conflitou com uma edição anterior.
@ProgramFOX Edit conflict, but I had suggested exactly the same edit before (which the user incorrectly rejected)
Happens on the main SO site also.
would nobody remove the "Ola"?
Tim
Tim
@cybermonkey I've also removed the ola in it
@cybermonkey All of your edits got rejected due to a conflict, so I don't think the OP did anything wrong here.
14:47
What the hell kind of colorizification is going on there?
@Braiam Theyโ€™re anglo monoglots. :(
Tim
Tim
it was community that rejected it
I kept trying to edit.
Tim
Tim
@tchrist i just edited, but you should post a bug report
I donโ€™t think <!-- language: lang-r --> is all itโ€™s cracked out to be.
@tchrist and failing...?
14:49
Yes.
But this time it behaved differently.
Tim
Tim
seriously... Youtube is giving 114p by default. And buffering like mad
> Há uma edição sugerida pendente na fila; tente novamente em alguns minutos.
goes off looking for tentempiés for a few minutes
@Tim Repro issues. Hm.
Tim
Tim
you speak it?
Tim
Tim
you speak portuguese / spanish?
14:51
Of course.
But those arenโ€™t the same.
Tim
Tim
no ik
but I couldn't tell if tentempiés was es or pt
If you know spanish you can understand some portuguese
Heh.
Itโ€™s a Spanish joke.
@tchrist I don't know that one
14:53
A tentempié (tente-en-pié) is an appetizer in Spanish. The PT tente is ES intente.
I was pretending to misread the tente.
Tim
Tim
ahh, temptation has a similar root?
@Tim No.
Tim
Tim
oh
tente is reflexive imperative for have.
Tim
Tim
14:54
oh okay :)
Well, in Spanish.
tente = intente = try; tentacion = tempting
The PT word is a 3rd person imperative for to attempt.
Tim
Tim
ohh :)
I see that trylingual jokes donโ€™t work well in this chat.
Tim
Tim
14:55
:P
@Braiam Written certainly, or often spoken Brazilian. Lisbon is harder. But Iโ€™ve spent a month each working in Brazil and Portugal, and I always insisted on reading their newspapers and such, so it comes quickly enough. The two languages share 94% radical cognates.
Itโ€™s just that European Portuguese is a stress-timed language that sounds more Slavic than Romance, so you miscue.
There isn't a spanish WP article about isochrony :(
Thatโ€™s amusing in a way.
The vowel-reduction in European Portuguese is much stronger than in American Portuguese.
And of course, doesnโ€™t happen at all in Spanish. Well, in theory.
> A better-documented case of these varying degrees of stress-timing in a language comes from Portuguese. European Portuguese is more stress-timed than the Brazilian standard. The latter has mixed characteristics[22] and varies according to speech rate, sex and dialect. At fast speech rates, Brazilian Portuguese is more stress-timed, while in slow speech rates, it can be more syllable-timed.
influence from their northern neighbours?
Heh, I hadnโ€™t read that yet.
@JanDvorak What do you mean?
15:06
They may have learnt from the US english
I do not know that we โ€œknowโ€ why PT became stress-timed while ES and IT remain syl-la-ble-ti-med.
@JanDvorak Not possible.
My theory though is that American Portuguese remains less stress-timed is because of Spanish influence from surrounding countries. No proof though.
We need to invite a portuguese linguist to the Tavern
wright-protected = it won't fly for 18 seconds?
Tim
Tim
:p
@Unihedron mine are worse than first world problems... they are fourth world problems
... wat.
@Braiam no clean water?
15:41
@JanDvorak if that was the only issue...
@Braiam unreliable WiFi?
@JanDvorak I meant if that was the only issue that involves water, but yeah
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ZFS ACL (NFS4 ACL) by Dmytro Leonenko on unix.stackexchange.com
16:38
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ERROR 504 - GATEWAY TIMEOUT - CURL by Mezahir Qarayev on ru.stackoverflow.com
(just noticed that wasn't posted here yet)
SO Is really slow today for me... :-( Anyone else experiencing this ?
@Doorknob The post on her blog is more relevant and has more information: onlybluefeet.com/2015/05/22/ch-ch-ch-changes-are-afoot
@JonasCz That's what the tweet links to.
@JonasCz happens to people periodically
all normal for me
Huh ? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/8176954 Seems to be a little bit too much editing.
16:47
Not really. (see the markdown view)
edit veteran here, looks ok
> bjb568 has approved 761 edit suggestions and rejected 919 edit suggestions
numbers still skewed because of account merge, data lost
ha, I have exactly one less rejection than you
> Doorknob has approved 597 edit suggestions and rejected 918 edit suggestions
A little bit too much bold and italic scattered through it for my taste.. Skipped and let someone else decide.
feel free to edit, I'm too lazy
: reason why I don't use the queue any more :p
@Doorknob I just realized that the scrolling for Chatception just randomly starting working. Did you make any changes to it?
16:52
Still borked for me.
@michaelpri Uh, no, didn't change anything. That's odd.
@Doorknob Hmm, well uh... magic?
let's go with that
This user has made quite a few suggested edits to only remove a tag, I hope this is not a problem ? I've left a comment here asking him to also fix other issues with the questions while he's editing.
17:07
abusive editing behavior
flagged for mod
17:25
I did looks OK for this, was that correct ? stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts/8176039 ? It says "this is fixed in the latest version, please update".
It's a not a very good answer, but it is an answer and should not be deleted, right ?
@JonasCz It's naa, it should have been a comment or and edit
@michaelpri Answerer does not have enough rep to comment, and it would probably be rejected as an edit, so this potential solution to the problem will be lost if it gets deleted. IMO not good.
@bjb568 The entire edits queue is full of these edits now. This one removes the "apple" tag and adds "legal" as the only tag. Even worse. Hope the mods don't take forever to get to your flag.. There should be some "this is urgent" checkbox when mod flagging.
blagh, I will start rejecting
Reject & Edit to use binding vote
Reject and Edit means you have to do just that, Edit. I'm lazy..
Especially since I no longer get rep for it.
lucky there's an image tag to dump crap on
17:38
Still 1k rep to go before I can actually close stuff. I need to find some decent questions to answer.
there are none
You can answer crap tho.
There are a few good questions, I have put more effort into searching than actually answering them.
Giving FGITW answers to bad questions is an easy way to get rep for me, just that I have to wait on the new questions list all the time, and since the introduction of the new questions list UI, the "x new questions" thing does not work for me anymore..
> Thank you for reviewing 20 suggested edits today; come back in 6 hours to continue reviewing.
17:51
If we have [excel] and [vba], why do we need [excel-vba]?
somebody bothers with edit summary, hooray! stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/8177417
> Comment: fixed capitalization, formatted code fragments in text as code, fixed formatting of code, fixed a typo in the code that obviously came in with the last edit by the OP by accident, added missing parenthesis at the end of the large code block, fixed punctuation, improved wording
Oh Yeah !
Although, I think it's kind of unnecessary..
> Thank you for reviewing 20 suggested edits today; come back in 6 hours to continue reviewing.
@JonasCz yeap
I skipped like 5 audits :p
shog will find me
Is skipping audits bad ?
It's how shog finds people to, wellโ€ฆ I can't give you the details.
very skary
user259867
But Shog is on vacation: go nuts, skipping audits left and right.
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18:09
the worst edit in the history of crappy edits: stackoverflow.com/posts/985846/revisions
question's OT anyway.
@Shog Uhโ€ฆ great! Now everybody won't be skipping audits left and right all the time while you aren't looking! I skipped not like 5 edits in the SO edit queue just today! — bjb568 1 min ago
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive title detected: Take a Crap. Yet, Nobody Brings It With Them by Ron Royston on english.stackexchange.com
user259867
@SmokeDetector ignore-ELU
@SmokeDetector ignore
18:20
@cybermonkey Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Wrinkle emphasize effect by bob48 on photo.stackexchange.com
user259867
@cybermonkey It was already ignored, adding - at the end suppresses the confirmation message.
@Yes Huh?
user259867
18:36
Meaning "something best sorted out by locals".
Rather than the shadowy cabal known as The Tavern.
There was a user script posted a few days ago, by Rene I think, that showed how a user's review compared to others in the review queue's history tab. Does anyone have a link to that? I can't find it and don't have an upvote recorded in my voting history for it
Hey @hichris123, do you have any other book recommendations? You suggested Fahrenheit 451 and some books by Michael Crichton a while back, and I read them and really liked them. Thanks :)
Which Crichton ones did you read?
Jurassic Park and The Andromeda Strain.
18:43
@Doorknob Uh... hmm...
gimme a bit.
me plugs The Gods Themselves by Isaac Asimov
I haven't read any of the Asimov books.
There was a less than stellar movie made about it, but the book was good
Asimov is da best! :D
18:44
Airframe was good too
@Andy I really liked Airframe.
you beat me to it. :P
:)
@Yes has 3 different names on the starboard here: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/2165/reopen-undelete-close-delete
Thanks all, I'll take a look at those (I'm actually currently in a bookstore :P)
user259867
18:49
@bjb568 reduced to 2. Nothing to see there, folks.
user259867
Seconding @AlexisKing suggestion. Contending in vain is what we do anyway.
user259867
Especially as a moderator on Puzzling
19:42
yesterday, by AstroCB
Anyone planning on unpinning that message about the bots?
Not planning on it.
20:03
Yay, finally some time to work on DevDoodle!
Whats DevDoodle! ?
Cool ! Who made it ? You ? That's awesome !
in Unix and Linux on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, yesterday, by Faheem Mitha
The Vernor Vinge aliens in A Fire Upon the Deep were pretty good, though.
in Unix and Linux on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 23 hours ago, by Gilles
@derobert I second Faheem's recommendation
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What's the - for?
@JonasCz yep, me
it suppresses the reply
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Did y'all see this already?
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Q: Ticker feeds in Chat

Hosch250The ticker feeds in chat are interesting, but also annoying. One feature that would make them very nice is a fade feature, where they fade away after displaying for N seconds (perhaps even user adjustable). As an example of this, I didn't clear my ticker for a while, and this is what I got:

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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: How to check it's magic method or not? by qwert_ukg on stackoverflow.com
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