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5:00 PM
@vaultah Smokey does not see all SO posts, because the websocket it feeds from has only some percentage of them. (No idea what that percentage is)
It only feeds us the ones the system thinks is 'good' :P
Hmm, interesting
Which is mildly irritating
@Undo You know what else is mildly irritating? Ur face.
The hot network question feed is defective by design?
5:02 PM
If you weren't a room owner here I'd do something bad to you
But I no haz teh powaz here :(
@vaultah McAffee isn't in the regex right now. I'll add it
@Undo Also, please consider - option for ignore why you're in the code.
@Yes What option?
oh okay
Is that unignore?
5:05 PM
It just makes Smokey quiet
@Undo Whee, I helped \o/
No I mean, how does "ignore-" relate to the current "ignore"?
@JasonC Same thing, it just doesn't reply to the message unless there's an error
5:06 PM
@vaultah ^
Cool :)
CI running for quiet mode on ignore @Yes.
Aaaand green
@Yes ^ should work now
@BradLarson Gah, I need to make a queue for these kinds of crowd-sourced mass cleanups.
It seems the new site nav does not have "questions/frequent" tab anymore; those with the most links (canonical dupe targets).
5:18 PM
@Yes the horror!!11
@Undo I was actually going to work on exactly that after I finished responding to client emails.
Great minds waste time alike.
[ SmokeDetector ] Nested quote blocks in body: POLL: What is the most elite college degree from this list? by Trddu on academia.stackexchange.com
I'm voting to close this question because, really, are you kidding? — Massimo Ortolano 8 mins ago
5:39 PM
@Braiam Well, I noticed this because I was looking for that tab.
@JanDvorak Even for complete crap question, it still irks me when people forego actual applicable close reasons and make up their own non-constructive snarky ones instead.
That's one of my bigger SE pet peeves. And I have to keep it all bottled up inside too because whining about it is even less constructive.
@JasonC the dialog for submitting a custom close reason should consist of several consecutively shown windows with randomly placed checkboxes and confirmation buttons.
5:46 PM
(I have a big head)
@Yes Or make using the dialog make it appear client-side that you cast a close vote, but not actually submit a vote to the server.
The "nod and smile" technique.
@SmokeDetector great question :-)
> We'd like you to count to ten before submitting the custom close reason. Please type "one" in the box below, and click OK. [next window] Please type "two" in the box below, and click OK.
5:50 PM
@JonasCz Does the issue still exist?
It was closed as dupe of a similar and related issue, which was fixed, but this one was not fixed.
Yeah, I know, I voted to close it originally.
And yes, it really was not fixed, see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/294927/…, which was posted today.
@LynnCrumbling Haha, another gem I missed:
@Undo - case in point: how many times has the [application] tag been burninated only to pop back up again? — LittleBobbyTables Jan 7 at 15:50
@LittleBobbyTables - I don't think that would happen with Bill's massternate suggestion. — Travis J Jan 7 at 23:36
6:02 PM
@SmokeDetector ignore-
Cool (assuming it worked)
Just edited this as per Brad Larson's message, How much code formatting should be used ? Method names should be the only thing in backticks, right ?
6:29 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ELECTRIC FIELD ON THE SURFACE OF THE CHARGED SPHERE by Krishna behera on physics.stackexchange.com
I rejected this edit, was that correct ? Seems like the editors modifications are useful, but I went with "conflicts with author's intent".
@SmokeDetector OMG wall of text...
@JonasCz Yeah that edit was a little out of hand. It's officially rejected now.
@SmokeDetector tpu
@ɥʇǝS Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
6:44 PM
@SmokeDetector gone-
Who uses AOL these days anyway?
What would actually happen if I called such an "Aol tech support number" ? Would they take my password ? Credit card number ?
I guess they'd just put you on hold
They wanna make money some way, no ?
though password farming also sounds plausible
look up "pay by call"
6:46 PM
@JonasCz Probably one of those, although they sometimes do nothing and just make money off of you paying for the call.
Fun facts about Mathematica: (a) the site had mod election only once, in 2012; (b) one of the mods became inactive in June 2013 and gave up his diamond; (c) he returned this month, reclaimed the diamond, and is now listed as elected in 2015. Guess who it is.
Who? :p
Bug ?
It's so easy to get rep on mse.. Two bug reports and I have almost 200 rep in one day. Wish SO was like that :-)
6:57 PM
@SmokeDetector fpu, um, I think?
@Doorknob Registered answer as false positive and whitelisted user.
(what keyword?)
The character set (from bamwar) triggered it.
6:59 PM
@SmokeDetector fp
@LynnCrumbling Registered answer as false positive.
Crappy answer, but clearly "shit" in the text hasn't been edited out by the mods in over a month.
@Yes J.M., easy.
7:22 PM
Why is cow so big?
@bjb568 The people are small.
all is relative!
except things that aren't
See fence and background flowers.
Oh noes.. don't go Snnimming!
7:32 PM
Wait a minute, I just realized...
May 18 at 1:17, by Shog9
1. No one cares very much about providing a good UX for suspended users. They're suspended.
@JasonC Sad trombone feature confirmed!
@LynnCrumbling wait wait what semicolon?
7:50 PM
@AlexisKing What's a "warning snark"?
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ELPARS TRANSFER by antalya havalimanı transfer on meta.stackexchange.com
@SmokeDetector tpuu
@Doorknob Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.
... whoops, okay, that worked anyway
spammer is leaving comments
7:53 PM
-7 and still not gone... who's downvoting these?
not me
at -8
@SmokeDetector naa
@Doorknob The fkey parameter to /ws-auth, is the only way to get that to scrape it out of the chat room web page?
8:01 PM
@JasonC fkey().fkey
@Doorknob I'm doing this from scratch to figure out how it works.
"I want to build a car. It should hold passengers, and move. Can a 350 engine be of any help in this case? any recommendations?" <-- See the problem, here? — Lynn Crumbling 6 secs ago
I don't know what fkey().fkey is.
@JasonC It's a function that returns your fkey. (Well, fkey is a function that returns an object with a single fkey parameter; not sure why it's a separate thing but oh well.)
Are you referencing somebody's source?
8:03 PM
type it into your console
@JasonC No, it's defined in master-chat.js.
(I think. Somewhere in the scripts loaded in chat.)
Ah I see.
yeah, it's defined on line 1 of master-chat.js.
The implementation (jsbeautified):
function fkey(e) {
    return e || (e = {}), e.fkey || (e.fkey = $("input[name='fkey']").attr("value")), e
I see why it returns an object now. It's so that you can do stuff like $.post(url, fkey({foo: 'bar'})).
Am I correct in assuming you can read all WebSockets events without authenticating? You just can't post new messages. Right?
Can't post messages via websockets anyway.
8:06 PM
I didn't mean via websockets.
It's a POST request to /chats/*/messages/new.
@JasonC Not flag messages.
@michaelpri ERR_TEST_FAILED
Oh, wow. That worked :)
another test
@michaelpri ERR_TEST_SUCCESS
@Doorknob Yay :)
@michaelpri ERR_DUP_TEST_REQ
@Doorknob ERR_TEST_QUOTA_EXCEEDED is on the horizon
@michaelpri j/k of course :)
(although, you could always hit the sandbox.)
@LynnCrumbling Ehh, too lazy
8:13 PM
@michaelpri well.. carry on then.
I'm actually finished now
no i don't see the problem here. it is a car reservation program. busy/free slots should be viewable. is this simplified enough for you? — Yvan 41 secs ago
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: USER INPUT ON GOOGLE MAPS by samrina siddiqui on stackoverflow.com
@JasonC Do you know any Ruby/Rails?
It's become my absolute favorite language/framework
@LynnCrumbling closed
It also doesn't fade out.
@Undo thanks!
Their other question is garbage, too. stackoverflow.com/q/30236666/656243
@bjb568 They should just fix all the grayed out answer problems. Can't be so hard to modify it so that all the popups, dialogs, notifications are not children of the answer in the html.
@LynnCrumbling At least op took the time for proper formatting :-)
Uh... there is no way to sort the question list by votes any more?
8:32 PM
@JonasCz Hah. Yes... way to find that silver lining :)
@Undo Nope. But I'm always interested in learning new things. Why do you like it?
'popular' tab
^ Hah, it served as a ping AND an answer.
Way to be efficient @Undo.
I don't see a popular tab? But Questions -> Votes is there.
@JasonC It's pretty, ActiveRecord is convenient, and there's a gem already built for most tedious things you'd even have to do.
@JasonC Are you on the new nav?
8:33 PM
I guess not.
Is it A/B tested?
Ah, the sorting options change based on the tab... this is why I couldn't find "most linked" earlier.
@JasonC Well kinda.
@JasonC You can enable it in preferences.
All the way at the bottom
You have to sign up for it. Look at the MSE post introducing it.
8:35 PM
Now I just wait patiently.
It only took a few minutes for me.
@LynnCrumbling I flagged it because I got it in the Triage queue
You'll enjoy how (almost) awesome it is !
why is there a space before the punctuation?
Why is there no capital at the start of your sentence?
8:38 PM
> Update: As we have 500 active testers now (you are amazing!), we will delaying new alpha activations until we roll out a set of fixes. Opting in now ensures you'll be in the next few hundreds to see the next version.
I've noticed that the harder @bjb tries to be a smart-ass, the harder he fails.
@JasonC, You'll have to wait then, but it'll be even more awesome when you do get it :-)
8:55 PM
Do you think it looks nicer with the tabs like this ? Ie. with the tabs in the bar, rather than the current design with the tabs on top. Saves space, especially if the whole thing is moved up.
The current one:
Or maybe even with the tabs to the left of the sort / filter options, all on one row.
@JonasCz Placing all on the same level would hide the hierarchy of changes. The filtering options you have depend on the tab you have chosen. So the user reading left to right, choosing options and then switching tabs will be in for a surprise...
9:13 PM
needs freehand circles
9:23 PM
Q: Change "comment" to "critique or request clarification"

Shog9Got around to talking about comment flags with Robert Cartaino this morning... We're working on rejiggering the flagging options to make it a bit more obvious when stuff should be flagged, with the end goal of making it possible to automate some of the current flag-handling. More on that later; o...

Eh, looks complicated. Let's shut down The Workplace instead, if they can't handle the existence of comments.
@SmokeDetector fp-
User asked a dup of their own question: stackoverflow.com/q/25326888/656243
(and original answerer comments that)
9:43 PM
@Rachel Still around by any chance?
kill this question with fire: stackoverflow.com/questions/30360652/… (unclear)
@Rachel I just found one of your answers and was curious if you use MvvmLight at all.
Fun fact: Biology had the second-longest period between beta launch and graduation. Which site had to wait the longest?
They haven't graduated, so not under consideration.
9:52 PM
@Yes Salesforce?
@hichris123 No, they are #8.
@Yes I give up :-).
The longest wait, in days: Personal Finance & Money (1303), Biology (1253), Graphic Design (1184), Movies & TV (1155), Chemistry(1113). The rest waited <800 days.
Ah, Money.
9:55 PM
@Yes 3.56 years is a hell of a long time..
The quickest to graduate: Ask Ubuntu (74), Arqade (91), Web Applications (92), Webmasters (97), Seasoned Advice (97), Mathematics (97), Game Development (99). (The rest waited >100 days). The good old days when "90 days in beta" meant something.
Little surprise that the Money site is the one who had trouble getting enough moderator nominations.
PPCG is at 1575 and counting.
And Code Review is at 1583, pending graduation.
CR technically graduated a while ago. It just doesn't have a design yet.
No, the graduation announcement was a while ago.
9:59 PM
Board & Card Games is at 1675 days and counting. With no graduation announcement.
> I am pleased to announce that effective from September 22, Code Review has graduated!
What stops a site from graduating?
a heart full of beta
@AlexisKing Then that's inaccurate. Still no new design, still no adjusted privilege tables, still has the "beta" label (on site and A51).
10:01 PM
@AlexisKing That's a mod jumping the gun, not an SE employee.
A: Why are we still in Beta?

abby hairboatBoard & Card Games is looking pretty strong. I think it will probably graduate soonish (which is a technical measurement). When the last community self-evaluation came through, the results indicated that quality is nice and high, but Q&A numbers are holding steady - not rising. That's the biggest...

Fair enough, I'll go back to lurking where I belong.
This "soonish" is from 2013.
@Yes 6-8 years
@Yes Aren't they in the queue?
Er, no.
Current list in the queue is: Salesforce, Expression Engine, Anime, Computer Science, Japanese, Cryptography, Movies, Blender, and English Language Learners. — Grace Note ♦ Aug 6 '14 at 0:13
10:05 PM
@hichris123 Which does not include Chemistry and Biology. Go figure.
It's okay. At least all the ones that haven't graduated can still take out their sadness by laughing at Community Building.
@Yes And the majority of those have yet to graduate.
On both Network Engineering and Biology the initial design feedback was "wait... this isn't what our site is about" followed by users posting a bunch of images that better reflect the scope of the site. Maybe it should be done in the opposite order.
@Yes some sites do keep a thread of image / concept / logo suggestions going.
Mostly they're awful, but there are exceptions
Q: What should our site design look like?

GraceKeeping with the little note about "The Seven Essential Meta Questions of Every Beta", I thought I'd open the discussion about the graphical interface of our lovely anime/manga site! As our site approaches graduation, we were asked to help with ideas regarding the design of our site.. So, I s...

(not gonna comment on which category that one falls into)
10:18 PM
Design suggestions are probably awful, but a list of images that users associate with the site's topic is something else.
Like those that users posted on Biology and Network Engineering after seeing the initial design.
We should just get in the habit of proposing the Skeptics design for each new graduating site.
@Shog9 Oooh, them's fightin' words!
Mexico, you mean? They'll get used to it. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago
@Shog9 Haha. flagged offensive
...and suddenly @JasonC wasn't RO anymore...
10:31 PM
@Shog9 Photography meta puts Skeptics to shame.
It's light-on-dark though, so I give it a pass because I quite like that.
> As for Meta, making it a dark theme was the biggest mistake I made.
Hmm. Maybe that should've been @Shog.
Now, you two, fight!
Fight about what? I could eat McDonald's fries all day.
My all-time favorite design:
Nono, Shog and Jin.
10:35 PM
Owww my eyes
this is worse than that one gif
Owww the contrast with my browser's window borders
And the inevitable system default radio button on a black background
By the way, guys:
Because this is The Internet and in that context they're really not, @JasonC. Except for ASCII wangs; those are always critiques on the 'Net. — Shog9 ♦ 43 mins ago
Critiques are valid comments, and ASCII penises are critiques, therefore official word is ASCII penises are valid comments.
You heard it here first.
Not every critique is a valid critique...
10:50 PM
Then maybe we should change the text to "validly critique or request clarification"? That must be even better, right?
@Shog9 what is this even
@bjb568 the old new Physics design, of course
Photography meta's code blocks are still white on black. shudder
@Shog9 Please fire all design and front-end people. kthxbai
as all code blocks should be
10:58 PM
@bjb568 then hire @bjb as the only designer you'll ever need
and vanilla JS full-stack dev
portfolio? DevDoodle is all the portfolio you're gonna need
bug-free since '93
(shhh, bjb, they hadn't invented bugs yet in '93)
Bug report: @bjb568's bug tracking system seems to have lost all information entered since 1993.
10:59 PM
(oh whoops, then '03?)
@JasonC umm… uh… flags
^ bjb's bug report graph
Well, if it's a square wave, that's pretty good.
ur face is a square wave
ur mom is a squared wave
I want a sine wave.
11:05 PM
consine best function
I think @bjb568 has a crush on somebody.
Hm… what might give you that idea?
@JasonC Well? Are you going to go prom with him?
11:10 PM
@AlexisKing Depends on the theme.
@JasonC pedophile awareness prom
@bjb568 Not at senior prom.
11:12 PM
@AlexisKing O_O
ADD HTML WILL MAKE IT EASY — RiteshK 1 hour ago
> Average stack overflow user, sitting staring the screen for answers B.C.
^ from that user's profile
all of my what
> Not constructive
Farmed 150 rep on Chemistry in preparation for mod election, election still TBA.
... and there is a post Editing gone wild on their meta. Coincidence? whistles
11:32 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in answer: Como pegar o valor da porcentagem atual de um upload? by user25394 on pt.stackoverflow.com
@SmokeDetector tpu-
but actually, this answer is the one that's offensive: pt.stackoverflow.com/a/65336
Religions sorted by the traffic to their sites: Christianity, Islam, Judaism (nearly tied with) Hinduism, Buddhism.
Let the flame wars begin.
One can also draw parallels based on the nearest neighbors on my chart.
11:37 PM
Christianity is like Parenting
Islam is like Gardening.
@Yes poor CB
From left: Safari, Chrome, FF
That text outline is horrible.
I remember having to compensate for it in canvas.js.
11:57 PM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: What kind of government did Aristotle consider the best? by Sean on philosophy.stackexchange.com

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