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@JanDvorak Even for complete crap question, it still irks me when people forego actual applicable close reasons and make up their own non-constructive snarky ones instead.

Jan Dvorak

closeable? stackoverflow.com/questions/30380695/…

Jason C

That's one of my bigger SE pet peeves. And I have to keep it all bottled up inside too because whining about it is even less constructive.

user259867

@JasonC feature-request the dialog for submitting a custom close reason should consist of several consecutively shown windows with randomly placed checkboxes and confirmation buttons.

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amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

Hi all

Jan Dvorak

5:46 PM

o/

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

\0

(I have a big head)

Jason C

@Yes Or make using the dialog make it appear client-side that you cast a close vote, but not actually submit a vote to the server.

The "nod and smile" technique.

amanaP lanaC A nalP A naM A

@SmokeDetector great question :-)

user259867

> We'd like you to count to ten before submitting the custom close reason. Please type "one" in the box below, and click OK. [next window] Please type "two" in the box below, and click OK.

JonasCz

reopen-plz one more meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/289033/…

Jason C

5:50 PM

@JonasCz Does the issue still exist?

JonasCz

Yes.

It was closed as dupe of a similar and related issue, which was fixed, but this one was not fixed.

Jason C

Yeah, I know, I voted to close it originally.

JonasCz

And yes, it really was not fixed, see meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/294927/…, which was posted today.

Jason C

@LynnCrumbling Haha, another gem I missed:

@Undo - case in point: how many times has the [application] tag been burninated only to pop back up again? — LittleBobbyTables Jan 7 at 15:50

@LittleBobbyTables - I don't think that would happen with Bill's massternate suggestion. — Travis J Jan 7 at 23:36

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in body: Just Received Email From WhatsApp Inc. Regarding To My Site [Need Help Or Advice Pls] by Hussain on webmasters.stackexchange.com

Jason C

6:02 PM

@SmokeDetector ignore-

Cool (assuming it worked)

JonasCz

Just edited this as per Brad Larson's message, How much code formatting should be used ? Method names should be the only thing in backticks, right ?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Where can I get 4x5″, 5x7″, or 8x10″ color sheet film (or other hard-to-find exotic film) processed? by a deleted user on photo.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

...

SmokeDetector

6:29 PM

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ELECTRIC FIELD ON THE SURFACE OF THE CHARGED SPHERE by Krishna behera on physics.stackexchange.com

JonasCz

I rejected this edit, was that correct ? Seems like the editors modifications are useful, but I went with "conflicts with author's intent".

@SmokeDetector OMG wall of text...

Jason C

@JonasCz Yeah that edit was a little out of hand. It's officially rejected now.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, phone number detected: /\\/\\/\\/\\/\(1-844-780-6762)Aol technical support phone number -Aol technical support number-Aol tech support phone number by Md Arif on stackoverflow.com

ɥʇǝS

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@ɥʇǝS Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Jan Dvorak

6:44 PM

@SmokeDetector gone-

ɥʇǝS

Who uses AOL these days anyway?

JonasCz

What would actually happen if I called such an "Aol tech support number" ? Would they take my password ? Credit card number ?

Jan Dvorak

I guess they'd just put you on hold

JonasCz

They wanna make money some way, no ?

Jan Dvorak

though password farming also sounds plausible

look up "pay by call"

ɥʇǝS

6:46 PM

@JonasCz Probably one of those, although they sometimes do nothing and just make money off of you paying for the call.

user259867

Fun facts about Mathematica: (a) the site had mod election only once, in 2012; (b) one of the mods became inactive in June 2013 and gave up his diamond; (c) he returned this month, reclaimed the diamond, and is now listed as elected in 2015. Guess who it is.

3

Who? :p

Bug ?

Toad?

It's so easy to get rep on mse.. Two bug reports and I have almost 200 rep in one day. Wish SO was like that :-)

Jan Dvorak

6:57 PM

🐱👋

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector fpu, um, I think?

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Registered answer as false positive and whitelisted user.

Doorknob

(what keyword?)

Lynn Crumbling

yeah.

The character set (from bamwar) triggered it.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: I am 24 years old. I found marijuana and ecstasy my 17 year old sister's room. What should I do? by Fatster on parenting.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

6:59 PM

um.

Lynn Crumbling

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@LynnCrumbling Registered answer as false positive.

Lynn Crumbling

Crappy answer, but clearly "shit" in the text hasn't been edited out by the mods in over a month.

Jason C

@Yes J.M., easy.

Mooseman

NAA stackoverflow.com/a/9329606/1234256

NAA stackoverflow.com/a/21696436/1234256

bjb568

7:22 PM

Why is cow so big?

Jason C

@bjb568 The people are small.

bjb568

:o

all is relative!

except things that aren't

Jason C

See fence and background flowers.

Alexis King

Lynn Crumbling

Oh noes.. don't go Snnimming!

Alexis King

7:32 PM

Wait a minute, I just realized...

May 18 at 1:17, by Shog9

1. No one cares very much about providing a good UX for suspended users. They're suspended.

@JasonC Sad trombone feature confirmed!

bjb568

@LynnCrumbling wait wait what semicolon?

Jason C

7:50 PM

@AlexisKing What's a "warning snark"?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: ELPARS TRANSFER by antalya havalimanı transfer on meta.stackexchange.com

Doorknob

@SmokeDetector tpuu

SmokeDetector

@Doorknob Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Doorknob

... whoops, okay, that worked anyway

rene

spammer is leaving comments

Doorknob

7:53 PM

-7 and still not gone... who's downvoting these?

rene

not me

gone

Doorknob

at -8

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Email in answer: Coloring a waveform with spectral centroid or by other means by user656028 on dsp.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector naa

Jason C

@Doorknob The fkey parameter to /ws-auth, is the only way to get that to scrape it out of the chat room web page?

Doorknob

8:01 PM

@JasonC fkey().fkey

Jason C

@Doorknob I'm doing this from scratch to figure out how it works.

Lynn Crumbling

"I want to build a car. It should hold passengers, and move. Can a 350 engine be of any help in this case? any recommendations?" <-- See the problem, here? — Lynn Crumbling 6 secs ago

Jason C

I don't know what fkey().fkey is.

Doorknob

@JasonC It's a function that returns your fkey. (Well, fkey is a function that returns an object with a single fkey parameter; not sure why it's a separate thing but oh well.)

Jason C

Are you referencing somebody's source?

bjb568

8:03 PM

type it into your console

Doorknob

@JasonC No, it's defined in master-chat.js.

(I think. Somewhere in the scripts loaded in chat.)

Jason C

Ah I see.

Doorknob

yeah, it's defined on line 1 of master-chat.js.

The implementation (jsbeautified):

function fkey(e) {
    return e || (e = {}), e.fkey || (e.fkey = $("input[name='fkey']").attr("value")), e
}

I see why it returns an object now. It's so that you can do stuff like $.post(url, fkey({foo: 'bar'})).

Jason C

Am I correct in assuming you can read all WebSockets events without authenticating? You just can't post new messages. Right?

Doorknob

Can't post messages via websockets anyway.

Jason C

8:06 PM

I didn't mean via websockets.

Doorknob

It's a POST request to /chats/*/messages/new.

hichris123

@JasonC Not flag messages.

michaelpri

test

Lynn Crumbling

@michaelpri ERR_TEST_FAILED

michaelpri

Oh, wow. That worked :)

Lynn Crumbling

8:09 PM

Needs one more. stackoverflow.com/q/30383332/656243

michaelpri

another test

Doorknob

@michaelpri ERR_TEST_SUCCESS

michaelpri

@Doorknob Yay :)

Lynn Crumbling

@michaelpri ERR_DUP_TEST_REQ

@Doorknob ERR_TEST_QUOTA_EXCEEDED is on the horizon

@michaelpri j/k of course :)

(although, you could always hit the sandbox.)

michaelpri

@LynnCrumbling Ehh, too lazy

bjb568

8:13 PM

NOTICE_TEST

Lynn Crumbling

@michaelpri well.. carry on then.

michaelpri

I'm actually finished now

Lynn Crumbling

no i don't see the problem here. it is a car reservation program. busy/free slots should be viewable. is this simplified enough for you? — Yvan 41 secs ago

^ cv-pls

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: USER INPUT ON GOOGLE MAPS by samrina siddiqui on stackoverflow.com

Lynn Crumbling

sigh

Gone.

Hrmm.. stackoverflow.com/q/30383583/656243

^ delete

bjb568

8:25 PM

Robot exoskeleton remote control

►

Undo

@JasonC Do you know any Ruby/Rails?

It's become my absolute favorite language/framework

@LynnCrumbling closed

bjb568

Borked

It also doesn't fade out.

Lynn Crumbling

Holy POB batman. stackoverflow.com/q/30383708/656243

@Undo thanks!

Their other question is garbage, too. stackoverflow.com/q/30236666/656243

JonasCz

@bjb568 They should just fix all the grayed out answer problems. Can't be so hard to modify it so that all the popups, dialogs, notifications are not children of the answer in the html.

@LynnCrumbling At least op took the time for proper formatting :-)

user259867

Uh... there is no way to sort the question list by votes any more?

Lynn Crumbling

8:32 PM

@JonasCz Hah. Yes... way to find that silver lining :)

Jason C

@Undo Nope. But I'm always interested in learning new things. Why do you like it?

Undo

@Yes stackoverflow.com/…

'popular' tab

Lynn Crumbling

^ Hah, it served as a ping AND an answer.

Way to be efficient @Undo.

Jason C

I don't see a popular tab? But Questions -> Votes is there.

Undo

@JasonC It's pretty, ActiveRecord is convenient, and there's a gem already built for most tedious things you'd even have to do.

@JasonC Are you on the new nav?

Jason C

8:33 PM

I guess not.

Is it A/B tested?

user259867

Ah, the sorting options change based on the tab... this is why I couldn't find "most linked" earlier.

Undo

@JasonC Well kinda.

user259867

@JasonC You can enable it in preferences.

Undo

@JasonC stackoverflow.com/users/preferences/current

All the way at the bottom

JonasCz

You have to sign up for it. Look at the MSE post introducing it.

Jason C

8:35 PM

Now I just wait patiently.

JonasCz

It only took a few minutes for me.

rene

@LynnCrumbling I flagged it because I got it in the Triage queue

JonasCz

You'll enjoy how (almost) awesome it is !

bjb568

why is there a space before the punctuation?

rene

Why is there no capital at the start of your sentence?

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bjb568

8:38 PM

huneedacapital

user259867

> Update: As we have 500 active testers now (you are amazing!), we will delaying new alpha activations until we roll out a set of fixes. Opting in now ensures you'll be in the next few hundreds to see the next version.

Jason C

I've noticed that the harder @bjb tries to be a smart-ass, the harder he fails.

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JonasCz

@JasonC, You'll have to wait then, but it'll be even more awesome when you do get it :-)

user259867

SPAM cooking.stackexchange.com/a/57677

JonasCz

8:55 PM

Do you think it looks nicer with the tabs like this ? Ie. with the tabs in the bar, rather than the current design with the tabs on top. Saves space, especially if the whole thing is moved up.

The current one:

Or maybe even with the tabs to the left of the sort / filter options, all on one row.

user259867

@JonasCz Placing all on the same level would hide the hierarchy of changes. The filtering options you have depend on the tab you have chosen. So the user reading left to right, choosing options and then switching tabs will be in for a surprise...

JonasCz

True.

bjb568

9:13 PM

needs freehand circles

hichris123

9:23 PM

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Q: Change "comment" to "critique or request clarification"

Got around to talking about comment flags with Robert Cartaino this morning... We're working on rejiggering the flagging options to make it a bit more obvious when stuff should be flagged, with the end goal of making it possible to automate some of the current flag-handling. More on that later; o...

user259867

Eh, looks complicated. Let's shut down The Workplace instead, if they can't handle the existence of comments.

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp-

Lynn Crumbling

User asked a dup of their own question: stackoverflow.com/q/25326888/656243

(and original answerer comments that)

hichris123

abusive: math.stackexchange.com/questions/394257/…

Lynn Crumbling

9:43 PM

@Rachel Still around by any chance?

cybermonkey

kill this question with fire: stackoverflow.com/questions/30360652/… (unclear)

Lynn Crumbling

@Rachel I just found one of your answers and was curious if you use MvvmLight at all.

user259867

Fun fact: Biology had the second-longest period between beta launch and graduation. Which site had to wait the longest?

cybermonkey

cv-pls: stackoverflow.com/questions/30360652/…

@Yes Lifehacks?

user259867

They haven't graduated, so not under consideration.

cybermonkey

9:52 PM

hm

hichris123

@Yes Salesforce?

user259867

@hichris123 No, they are #8.

cybermonkey

@Yes I give up :-).

user259867

The longest wait, in days: Personal Finance & Money (1303), Biology (1253), Graphic Design (1184), Movies & TV (1155), Chemistry(1113). The rest waited <800 days.

hichris123

Ah, Money.

cybermonkey

9:55 PM

@Yes 3.56 years is a hell of a long time..

user259867

The quickest to graduate: Ask Ubuntu (74), Arqade (91), Web Applications (92), Webmasters (97), Seasoned Advice (97), Mathematics (97), Game Development (99). (The rest waited >100 days). The good old days when "90 days in beta" meant something.

user259867

Little surprise that the Money site is the one who had trouble getting enough moderator nominations.

Doorknob

PPCG is at 1575 and counting.

And Code Review is at 1583, pending graduation.

Alexis King

CR technically graduated a while ago. It just doesn't have a design yet.

Doorknob

No, the graduation announcement was a while ago.

user259867

9:59 PM

Board & Card Games is at 1675 days and counting. With no graduation announcement.

Alexis King

> I am pleased to announce that effective from September 22, Code Review has graduated!

cybermonkey

What stops a site from graduating?

Alexis King

(emphasis mine)

Shog9

a heart full of beta

Doorknob

@AlexisKing Then that's inaccurate. Still no new design, still no adjusted privilege tables, still has the "beta" label (on site and A51).

user259867

10:01 PM

@AlexisKing That's a mod jumping the gun, not an SE employee.

user259867

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A: Why are we still in Beta?

Board & Card Games is looking pretty strong. I think it will probably graduate soonish (which is a technical measurement). When the last community self-evaluation came through, the results indicated that quality is nice and high, but Q&A numbers are holding steady - not rising. That's the biggest...

Alexis King

Fair enough, I'll go back to lurking where I belong.

user259867

This "soonish" is from 2013.

Alexis King

@Yes 6-8 years

hichris123

@Yes Aren't they in the queue?

Er, no.

Current list in the queue is: Salesforce, Expression Engine, Anime, Computer Science, Japanese, Cryptography, Movies, Blender, and English Language Learners. — Grace Note ♦ Aug 6 '14 at 0:13

user259867

10:05 PM

@hichris123 Which does not include Chemistry and Biology. Go figure.

Alexis King

It's okay. At least all the ones that haven't graduated can still take out their sadness by laughing at Community Building.

hichris123

@Yes And the majority of those have yet to graduate.

user259867

On both Network Engineering and Biology the initial design feedback was "wait... this isn't what our site is about" followed by users posting a bunch of images that better reflect the scope of the site. Maybe it should be done in the opposite order.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: USING COMMAND OUTPUT AS EMAIL MESSAGE CONTENT WITH POWERSHELL by Rafi Achraf on stackoverflow.com

Shog9

@Yes some sites do keep a thread of image / concept / logo suggestions going.

Mostly they're awful, but there are exceptions

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Q: What should our site design look like?

Keeping with the little note about "The Seven Essential Meta Questions of Every Beta", I thought I'd open the discussion about the graphical interface of our lovely anime/manga site! As our site approaches graduation, we were asked to help with ideas regarding the design of our site.. So, I s...

discussion design

(not gonna comment on which category that one falls into)

user259867

10:18 PM

Design suggestions are probably awful, but a list of images that users associate with the site's topic is something else.

user259867

Like those that users posted on Biology and Network Engineering after seeing the initial design.

Shog9

> I use a trick with co-workers when we’re trying to decide where to eat for lunch and no one has any ideas. I recommend McDonald’s.

We should just get in the habit of proposing the Skeptics design for each new graduating site.

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Alexis King

@Shog9 Oooh, them's fightin' words!

Jason C

Mexico, you mean? They'll get used to it. — Shog9 ♦ 1 min ago

@Shog9 Haha. flagged offensive

Alexis King

...and suddenly @JasonC wasn't RO anymore...

Jason C

10:31 PM

@Shog9 Photography meta puts Skeptics to shame.

Shog9

It's light-on-dark though, so I give it a pass because I quite like that.

Alexis King

> As for Meta, making it a dark theme was the biggest mistake I made.

Hmm. Maybe that should've been @Shog.

Now, you two, fight!

Jason C

Fight about what? I could eat McDonald's fries all day.

Shog9

My all-time favorite design:

Alexis King

Nono, Shog and Jin.

Jason C

10:35 PM

Owww my eyes

Alexis King

this is worse than that one gif

Jason C

Owww the contrast with my browser's window borders

And the inevitable system default radio button on a black background

By the way, guys:

Because this is The Internet and in that context they're really not, @JasonC. Except for ASCII wangs; those are always critiques on the 'Net. — Shog9 ♦ 43 mins ago

Critiques are valid comments, and ASCII penises are critiques, therefore official word is ASCII penises are valid comments.

You heard it here first.

Shog9

Not every critique is a valid critique...

Alexis King

10:50 PM

Then maybe we should change the text to "validly critique or request clarification"? That must be even better, right?

bjb568

totes

@Shog9 what is this even

Shog9

@bjb568 the old new Physics design, of course