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@pizza nah, we just have a bunch of stimulus

@pizza Doesn't look half bad!

It looks more like 70% bad.

user259867

Oh, it wasn't today. The announcement just got updated recently.

"because we count in the decimal base" no — bjb568 6 secs ago

ITT, somebody doesn't know what bases are

hehe

But if that meal has a negative nutritional value "imagine" the complexities ;-) — infinitesimal simplicio 16 hours ago

btw, yer math logo looks sharp

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@SmokeDetector tpu

12:29 AM

@Doorknob Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

Conspicuous Compiler

@bjb568 Um, bjb, you do know that decimal means "10", right? As in, although the dude's turn of phrase is weird, he's right.

Also, if you think somebody is wrong, it's probably better to explain it rather than contradicting them without explanation. It would make you look less bad.

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@ConspicuousCompiler bjb has a point (as usual, poorly expressed). In any base, "round" numbers with respect to that base end with 0. E.g., if we used base 8 notation, then 8 would be written as 10. These numbers are easy to work with, especially for multiplication: 10*10 = 100, etc. This holds in any base.

12:48 AM

Check this out; it's very beta, not really styled yet, please don't share it: disorient.ddns.net/SOVoteMonitor/qatest.jsp - lets you browse QA responses by question instead of by candidate.

Cheryl's Birthday Problem - It depends on your point of view

@ConspicuousCompiler Yeah, like binary means "10" right? And trinary means "10" right? And quadrinary means "10" right? …

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bjblang will have "assert [statement]" and "assert I know [statement]"

assert bjb == ?

user259867

kewl, I suppose

user259867

But that would be a built-in constant.

> An update has been made! Please refresh the page!

That's quite bold and red and annoying, @JasonC. :P

12:54 AM

@hichris123 Yeah and even better, the update totally isn't worth it.

No matter, that's what dev tools is for.

Hey don't go nerfing my update message.

asert al kat iza akewl

KTHXBAI

@JasonC You should take withdrawn candidates into account.

:P

@JasonC I already did.

12:57 AM

asert Ei akno [al kat iza akewl]

@hichris123 On what; the vote monitor?

You mean e.g. gray out Amit?

or don't show a place for him.

It claims he's #30, but he's #NaN really

It's his uh... hypothetical rank if he unwithdraws. >.>

Ed's in #10? er... okay...

Should adjectives be before nouns?

Or after?

1:00 AM

Welp, if you have a feature request, github.com/JC3/SOVoteMonitor/issues :P.

@bjb568 what language? example?

Because I would bet it's both in English.

Yup Ed and I were tied for a long time. He usually does well in the next few hours every day though.

I think he'll come out ahead by 10-20 votes in the end.

@hichris123 In bjblang. Eg "Asert al egrin kat iza akewl" vs "Asert kat (al egrin) iza akewl"

(assert all green kats are kewl)

Assert all green cats are cool.

Assert all cats that are green are cool

So before the noun? Or after?

1:02 AM

assertion failed

@bjb568 Typically before, but it doesn't really matter...

ok

bjb lang fails grammar 101 anyway.

@JasonC funny as he doesn't seem very active.

@hichris123 bjblang has own grammar 101

@Roombatron5000 plz send teh coffee

1:08 AM

!!/so2015?

@Roombatron5000 Yay for the 2015 Stack Overflow Moderator Election! Election voting begins in 0 days, 18 hours, 51 minutes and 27 seconds.

1:19 AM

You need to flag your own answer for a moderator, through I think everyone is willing to revert their downvote if you quote the essential parts of the links here. — Braiam 30 secs ago

I'm such a nice guy, ain't I?

Conspicuous Compiler

Wouldn't the nicest thing to do be to go to the links, summarize what they say, and then upvote?

@pizza I have been. For so, so long...

> The problem is that you do not understand the SQL language and, as a consequence, asks the database is not something that you need.

ahhhh

Mildly annoyed that he obstinately writes in Russian

@ConspicuousCompiler I know nothing about the "interesting" and "relevant" parts

@Shog9 parse error on second occurrence of word "is" on line 1

@AlexisKing It's possible asks the database is disappear. As a consequence is not enough error.

1:24 AM

backtracking suggests "asks" as a possible error candidate

@JasonC Could you imagine? One day, the database is simply... disappear, never to be seen again.

Not to be a pedant, but you mean "the database simply is... disappear".

@JasonC You're right. I'll repent for my sins until they are disappear.

Very good, may the Lord grant you enough error.

looks around and sighs At least we amuse ourselves.

I know right, haha

1:27 AM

@JasonC you just the database...

It was accidentally, I swear.

Hey guys what does error: the database mean? Is it bad?

lel

META is murder

I must say, the meta logo is kinda shouty

Q: Off topic questions have to be cleared out of the way, but NOT via closure

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Recently I ran across a particular question on Stack Overflow. Despite its being quite easy to answer, it has got no answer yet (and most likely won't, as questions older than a hour hardly receive any attention anymore). Besides that, the OP told me that he wants an answer from a professional de...

discussion

anyone who hasn't read that, read that.

Q: Javascript non-blocking scripts, why don't simply put all scripts before </body> tag?

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In order to avoid javascript to block webpage rendering, can't we just put all all our JS files/code to be loaded/executed simply before the closing </body> tag? All JS files and code would be downloaded and executed only after the all page has being rendered, so what's the need for tricks like ...

javascript nonblocking deferred-loading

as a js guy, I have no idea what this guy is talking about

@bjb568 he's observed that the page will render quickly if you put the scripts at the end, because the browser doesn't have to wait to load them first. Asking if there's any reason not to do that.

1:37 AM

@Shog9 Huh, I've saved many of his insightful posts for offline reading, didn't yet for this one. Starred and saved.

(not that I go offline, it's just a convent list built into browser)

@Shog9 well, if you are comfortable making that assumption, edit it.

@bjb568 what do you mean, "assumption"?

It's not crystal clear so it can be interpreted in multiple ways.

I haven't even opened the question. I just repeated what he's saying in the part of the body that oneboxes

Unless there's something later on in the post that contradicts what I just said...?

"simply before the closing </body> tag?" then "head" in code example

Oh, he said without that.

> the author (in the same article) suggests to put his code before the closing </body> tag (see the "Script placement" section of the article), so he is basically loading the scripts before the closing </body> tag anyway. What's the need for his code then?

So should I A? Author says B but I don't think I need to, I can do A. Same author says I should do A! Why does he B?

Then an example of C at the bottom.

@bjb568 ok, so... the technique he's describing is a classic method of preventing slow scripts from blocking. It's commonly used for scripts that aren't essential for the page to function. If you've ever seen one of those horrible ad-crusted lyrics sites that takes a minute to load 300 bytes of text, you've seen what happens when this isn't done.

1:44 AM

badge names needs to be localized :/

He's apparently found someone suggesting an even more rube goldbergian technique for doing the same, and is asking why all that is necessary.

Question could be clarified by re-writing it to ask, "Why would I script the addition of script tags to the header when I could just bake them into the bottom of the body?"

Does that make sense to you, @bjb?

stackoverflow.com/questions/29688718/… can a mod please wipe these comments so the OP can salvage the question without a slew of comments?

@SterlingArcher done

The Shog attacks!

Well, some of those comments were constructive, but thanks!

@Shog9 thank you sir

1:51 AM

@SterlingArcher no, mostly not. Someone - anyone - should've asked

What part of this is giving you trouble? Folks here tend to offer a lot more assistance when you're specific about the area that has you stumped. — Shog9 ♦ 29 secs ago

I assume that's what the 4-5 people squealing "show the code" were trying to get at, but who knows. Maybe they just like seeing broken code.

Was pointing to relevant google searches bad?

I don't know, I didn't click any of them. Or the fiddle link, I see someone just posted.

I know it's a bad question but sometimes guidance helps I guess

oh, you're talking about your comment

@Doorknob Installing pentadactyl remembered me why I use emacs for editing intensive tasks, instead of vim...

it doesn't correctly supports tab groups!!?!?

and adds an extra line break each time I send a message :(

1:55 AM

I strongly suspect the problem here isn't the inability to find the JavaScript random number API. It's more likely an inability to string together the code to make three simple built-in APIs work together. Or possibly they haven't been taught loops yet. Who knows.

Problem is, there's no specificity

I'm trying not to read the question Shog is discussing about...

@Braiam Because you haven't yet been enlightened by the One True Editor? :P

@Braiam Tab groups? I was not aware this was a thing

@Braiam Yeah, I had to make a tiny userscript to fix that :P

@Doorknob I suspect the git version fixed that...

6 secs ago, by Braiam

@Doorknob I suspect the git version fixed that...

but it's just a suspicion...

@Doorknob HERESY!

Conspicuous Compiler

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@Doorknob btw, is the coolest thing EVAR!

1:59 AM

@ConspicuousCompiler hahaha

this isn't the UL chat room and there's a editor war!? looks for popcorn

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@Shog9 thats very true

@Shog9 Yes

Also book 9 of the odyssey, sorta

Seems he could just use async.

@ConspicuousCompiler 7chan? How many asian people are there?

@bjb568 I closed it already, but IIRC that question is like 4 years old?

2:10 AM

in what universe did you close it?

just the non-cached universe?

@bjb568 IE9 didn't support async.

@hichris123 screw them

user259867

and still doesn't

IE9 had a large market share back then.

Probably 30% ish.

Undo

cv-plz software-rec stackoverflow.com/q/28309696/1849664

2:13 AM

@pizza IE9 didn't support -- and still doesn't support -- pretty much everything.

IE9 is the new IE6, still the one holding us back.

@Undo tl;dr cv-plz title:free title:plugin

@Qantas94Heavy Not DD!

bjb took the nuclear approach -- he's in the nuclear winter right now.

@bjb568 stop talking borkey language

2:15 AM

:p

Did you guys ever see this?

I love it

> Senior Software Engineer - Oracle, Java, SQL, GIS
HERE, a Nokia company
Frankfurt, Germany / relocation

That "HERE" confused the heck out of me

Ok, so on disorient.ddns.net/SOVoteMonitor/qa.jsp, I want to let you navigate to the previous and next question for a particular user. Right now I put these little triangles by each user name. It's kind of crowded and weird. Does anybody have any ideas for a better way to present the navigation?

looks bad

Yeah I know

You're welcome to redesign it. I'm not good at this kind of stuff.

The styles are all in localhost:8080/SOVoteMonitor/qa.css

2:26 AM

gr8

i can see ur localhosteyz

der

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SPAM android.stackexchange.com/a/105709 new kind

LOCALHOST IS LOCAL

On left is sticky scrolling question, on right is collapsed answers to each.

Fail. Wrong tab. disorient.ddns.net/SOVoteMonitor/qa.css

@bjb568 Should there be an "expand/collapse all"?

And do cool people not use frames any more?

nobody cares about intros

2:30 AM

@pizza tpu oh wait

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@SmokeDetector fp edited

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Is this better for Super User? stackoverflow.com/questions/29689284/…

@bjb568 That's irrelevant. I will not be chopping anything anybody wrote out of any questionnaire response.

2:44 AM

oh gah

position: -webkit-sticky;
position: sticky;

THE SECOND ONE OVERRIDES THE FIRST WHYYYYY

@Qantas94Heavy Yes.

@jason jsfiddle.net/z5sqpsad

@bjb568 It's not sticky for me

jsfiddle.net/z5sqpsad/1

YER BROWSER SUK

That's kind cool. But now it's an extra 30 clicks to read all the answers; my assumption is that a person looking at the page will want to read all the answers.

2:51 AM

Maybe a show/hide all checkbox?

(use intermediate state for some shown)

I could just not make them collapsible, but sticky the question.

Although, will this look weird on a phone?

What if I split the screen vertically, and put the question at the top with a scrolling response area at the bottom?

And make the question collapsible

AHHHH I hate web pages.

user259867

Nov 25 '14 at 22:36, by Shog9

I've learned to be very, very wary whenever someone suggests a checkbox.

@JasonC no

unless portrait

in which case, don't sticky

@media min-width

> ACH! Don't tell me you've never been to an Oktoberfest!
Folks, that's food, drink and entertainment at its best!
Men in lederhosen, frauleins in dirndls, all so full of cheer,
Enjoyin' tasty bratwursts and steins of Hofbrau Beer!

Jamaicans enjoy Red Stripe Beer with red beans and rice.
They like their pristine beaches and they are very nice,
But for simple pleasure and taste buds that you'll endear,
There ain't nothin' like washin' down a bratwurst with a beer!

Friends in Italy enjoy the view of Vesuvius sippin' a Poretti,

> Brats oh Brats, I love thee lots, ye Brats.
Brats oh Brats, tonight I ain't gots no Brats.
Brats oh Brats, where for art thou my Brats?
Brats oh Brats, though this night, unclogged my arteries rest.
Yet I miss thee lots my Brats

Tender gristle, salty fat, covered in skin
That's where it's at and why its in.
Scrumptious cholesterol,
and concentrated calories.
It is loved by all,
on any kind of salary

Brats oh Brats, I love you lots, you Brats
Brats oh Brats, on many a night for you I would tarry.

These aren’t getting any better.

But this is my burnt offering.

> Barbarian
red-hot
adolescent
tiny
wee
unexpected
raw
small
thrifty

3:09 AM

I'd prefer a "tip your moderator" feature on flags. Tips should be in the form of poetry or bratwurst. — Shog9 ♦ 2 hours ago

Now we just need a flag...

The previous acrostic was not intended to reference any red-hot adolescent of our mutual acquaintance.

Fate and a Date with Bratwurst

That’s probably the best of the lot.

Eh, I wonder if I should post a bug report on the master thread about mispluralization: It says "1 people helped"

He helped the Poles.

^^

Scorpions - Born To Touch Your Feelings

@Unihedro The chosen people are one people.

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3:22 AM

In Russian version, "reached" is translated as "затронул"... i.e., "affected emotionally".

user259867

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@tchrist one person?

@pizza is incredible the similarities with some asian languages...

@Unihedro Well, in the other context, yes.

user259867

@Braiam Well, Russia is in Asia to a large degree... geographically, and then there's some Tatar-Mongol history...

3:34 AM

@pizza Except for the part that Sarah Palin sees out her back window.

@pizza I'd never actually paid attention to the lyrics in Rock You Like a Hurricane until recently.

They are terrifying.

me kitteh, no me rock

no me hurricane too

!untranslate no me hurricane too

Amusing Ourselves to Death

Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business (1985) is a book by educator Neil Postman. The book's origins lay in a talk Postman gave to the Frankfurt Book Fair in 1984. He was participating in a panel on George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four and the contemporary world. In the introduction to his book, Postman said that the contemporary world was better reflected by Aldous Huxley's Brave New World, whose public was oppressed by their addiction to amusement, than by Orwell's work, where they were oppressed by state control. It has been translated into eight languages and...

@tchrist That doesn't sound like talking about amusing ourselves at all. :<

More like being amused by... entertainment! Who'd have thought?

3:48 AM

“Addiction to amusement”

It's a reasonable point, though.

It is.

At the same time, I question its conclusion that it's necessarily a bad thing.

Depends on your definition of "bad".

After all, it's not like life has much purpose either way, so might as well enjoy it, right?

I personally find 99% of entertainment intolerable, but if you find it enjoyable, enjoy it!

> What Orwell feared were those who would ban books. What Huxley feared was that there would be no reason to ban a book, for there would be no one who wanted to read one. Orwell feared those who would deprive us of information. Huxley feared those who would give us so much that we would be reduced to passivity and egoism. Orwell feared that the truth would be concealed from us.

@tchrist I've read that review. It's fantastic.

3:50 AM

The book is worth reading.

While one yet can.

I actually prefer the part that follows that.

> Huxley feared the truth would be drowned in a sea of irrelevance. Orwell feared we would become a captive culture. Huxley feared we would become a trivial culture, preoccupied with some equivalent of the feelies, the orgy porgy, and the centrifugal bumblepuppy.

Because that's terribly accurate.

4:09 AM

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user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu welcome back

@pizza Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

:D

4:25 AM

:D

izquierda
derecha
delante
detrás
cerca (y)
lejos (y)
algo más;
abajo
arriba
enfrente
encima
debajo
entre
al lado
y ya!

oh god

bjb is kill

Night!

night night

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: .TORRENT FILES WON'T OPEN IN UTORRENT AUTOMATICALLY by DAVID on superuser.com

Morning!

Morning!

Morning!

4:32 AM

Night.

SilentKiller

Night.

Night.

[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website: How to gain adminstration rights in the administrator account? by Eason Green on superuser.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector tpu

@pizza Blacklisted user.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Lean muscle really fast it's also by khol diggi on superuser.com

4:41 AM

@SmokeDetector tpu

@AlexisKing Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

I read that as "Let's muscle really fast"

And I got all excited

user259867

5:16 AM

@SmokeDetector fp

@pizza Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

user259867

SPAM superuser.com/questions/902623/…

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@SmokeDetector gone

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@pizza gone

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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Gain Muscle Fast by jiuoca wioz on meta.stackexchange.com

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5:36 AM

@SmokeDetector ignore idk

@pizza Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

@SmokeDetector tpu gone

@Roombatron5000 Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: Herbal facts With Muscle Building Supplement by Silke Lehrer on askubuntu.com

@SmokeDetector tpu

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

5:41 AM

Not sure this is a good idea. — tchrist 3 hours ago

probably not a good idea, unless inf gets tougher

inb4 30k-rep botling?

user259867

@SmokeDetector gone

@AndrewT. yea, guess it wouldn't really hurt anything.. but doesn't seem like very important or necessary

user259867

Don't know why Tim was so concerned about spam on Meta... I usually have to flag in a hurry, otherwise it'll be gone already.

did he just keep the page open for hours and then clicked "view 40 new posts" or something..

5:49 AM

spam drupal.stackexchange.com/q/155436/20140

user259867

@Roombatron5000 Yes.

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@SmokeDetector tpu

@bummi Blacklisted user and registered question as true positive: added title to the Bayesian doctype 'bad'.

A: How do I stop cars from tailgating?

2

My wife's uncle drove a schoolbus back in the 50's, and related a story about cops who used to tailgate the bus, just waiting for someone to zip past them in the other lane so they could pull them over. One day he was driving a load of older kids and noticed the cops right on his tail again, so h...

5:53 AM

wut.

I saw a bumper sticker that said something like "So you think I'm a slow driver? Well, I'm ahead of you!" Made me laugh

@AndrewT. many places in america like to earn extra cash by highway robbing it's citizens

Ferguson gave out 10,000 more arrest warrants than it's population in 2013

I believe it's still not worse than some countries in SE Asia (yes, I'm talking to you, Indonesia, my home country)

ProgramFOX

gone

Anonymous

@Roombatron5000 That seems... reckless and dangerous.

@JeremyBanks people were much tougher in the 50's

Anonymous

6:00 AM

Yes, but they also suffered more accidents for it. :P

Infinite Recursion

@Roombatron5000 I dislike bots, but other users in this room like them :/

You would be a good mod if you nominated, @Inf...

4

jurgemaister

@pizza I read your answer. What I was thinking about was a feature request to remove the triage que altogether.

user259867

@jurgemaister That's not happening soon. At the very least, SE should try to fix it before throwing it out.

Infinite Recursion

@AndrewT. Thanks Andrew :)

user259867

6:13 AM

I do like the idea of triage. But the button names are all wrong, and users click on them without thinking what they do. This is old news, of course -- but the recent trend is downward. :/

Infinite Recursion

*news

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/4863640/1699210

Should an edit adding W3Schools to tag wiki be approved? stackoverflow.com/review/suggested-edits/7721007

jurgemaister

@pizza Well, the idea is excellent, but the execution is meh

@Qantas94Heavy Although W3Schools have significantly improved, it's still (mostly) never the best resource out there. And this case is pretty clear cut if you ask me

Also, that's a pretty solid wiki

Agree, just wanted to make sure.

6:29 AM

@Qantas94Heavy goin on 45 minutes.. still needs 1 review..

spam superuser.com/q/902642/172747

user259867

This spam is just too damn long.