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Alexis King

20:02

were iz teh kitteh, nywey?

Tim

Come on! stackoverflow.com/questions/29354194/…

hichris123

@AlexisKing I dunno -- but are you going bjb? Eeek!

Alexis King

@hichris123 sssh, you'll blow my cover

Frank

this is just painful... youtube.com/watch?v=HYcsW48HHXM

Jason C

20:19

@Frank I can't understand how a person's brain could even [not] work that way.

I wonder what their world is like

I love the dude who just gets into his car and pulls it right out.

Omg and it keeps getting worse

@Frank youtube.com/watch?v=Q_S61MyZtkA&feature=youtu.be&t=197 lol @ traffic lights at 3:17 (yes, you got me sucked into car compilation videos)

Alexis King

20:36

@Frank oof, and I thought I was bad at parking

Frank

@JasonC hahaha! that tiny car with the triaxle trailor...

Jason C

@Frank Haha I know!

nicael

@AlexisKing damn, nuked my comment :D

bjb568

@hichris123 yeah, it's your graph

Alexis King

@nicael lol, I didn't actually flag it

bjb568

20:47

@AlexisKing new house

Alexis King

I'm a little unsure if we should really be trusting @bjb568 with home ownership.

bjb568

:p

SmokeDetector

20:58

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: deluxetable error (Illegal pream-token (\\string): 'c' used \\startdata) when using \\rowcolor and \\specialcell by Candace on tex.stackexchange.com

hichris123

@AlexisKing Sorry. :(

@bjb568 I'm confused how my graph made jQuery slow, but...

Frank

21:11

ahahaha! The first one is awesome... youtube.com/watch?v=dxMts3sfdr4

bjb568

@hichris123 other way around

hichris123

@bjb568 Wait, vanilla JS made my graph slow? That makes sense!

@AlexisKing How would you do that?

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[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Having trouble with while loop using read for multiple variables by snowexcuse on serverfault.com

Doorknob

21:27

@SmokeDetector delete, suggested edit

@SmokeDetector delete

umm

hichris123

@SmokeDetector ignore

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@hichris123 Post ignored; alerts about it will no longer be posted.

Doorknob

ah, right

hichris123

@Doorknob Probably after 2 minutes.

@Woodface He didn't follow the trademark guidelines, though. cc @Haney

> StackOverflow.com Ranked #178

From stackexchange.com/legal/trademark-guidance:

> Stack Overflow is a programmer Q&A site on the Stack Exchange Network. As a name, Stack Overflow, is always written "Stack Overflow" (two words, capital letters). The website domain name is always written stackoverflow.com (no CamelCase, single word capitalization rules apply).

Haney

@hichris123 close enough

LOL

hichris123

21:34

@Haney Managers. I wonder who was the cause of the Denver office "issues", hmm?

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Q: The Denver office violates the trademark guidance

According to Stack Exchange's trademark guidance: The website domain name is always written stackoverflow.com (no CamelCase, single word capitalization rules apply). However in the semi-recent Server Fault blog post, Welcome Shane Madden, ServerFault Valued Associate #0000007!, there's a pi...

> Code reviews triggered voluntarily by author

Huh, interesting. Most places have mandatory code reviews.

Good presentation other than the trademark issues. ;)

Haney

Thank you!

I should tidy up the branding stuff... Will get to it this week. Thanks for pointing it out.

hichris123

:P it's not super important.

I find it interesting that you all blog quite a bit & give presentations; tell the world about what you do. A lot different from other companies.

bummi

hope I got it, abusive? apple.stackexchange.com/a/178965/55266

hichris123

@bummi yup

Not having a ton of faith in that user... so why don't we blacklist them?

!!/addblu apple.stackexchange.com/users/120160/bob-the-builder

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@hichris123 User blacklisted (120160 on apple.stackexchange.com).

bummi

21:49

due to my poor english, his other answer sounds for me like LQ but answer?

hichris123

I think? I'm not sure either.

bummi

reassuring :) , the name/website does not expect to much positives, but I saw worse names with good content

bjb568

@hichris123 wot

hichris123

@bjb568 Isn't that what you said?

bjb568

No

hichris123

21:57

Well, isn't it true?

bjb568

Absolutely not.

hichris123

Why?

bjb568

Since when does jQuery even claim to attempt to be fast or optimized at all?

Are you just trolling me or what?

hichris123

Since when did I claim it did?

I'm claiming that vanilla JS is making my graph slow.

And that it is -- if you removed vanilla JS, the graph would be fast, albeit slightly less than functional.

Doorknob

Any code can be made faster, as long as it doesn't have to work.

I think @bjb568 would benefit from a thorough reading of c2.com/cgi/wiki?OptimizeLater.

bjb568

22:11

@hichris123 I don't think you're effectively conveying information.

Or trying to.

Jason C

user259867

Speaking of JS: what would be a quick practical way to add a keyboard shortcut for "downvote the currently open question?" I'm tired of clicking.

Doorknob

@Woodface ... use the built-in keyboard shortcuts?

user259867

All the key up/down events are confusing...

Doorknob

vd

Jason C

22:12

Error: Cat has stopped responding. Wait? Close?

Lynn Crumbling

@JasonC Ignore?

user259867

Cats cannot be ignored.

Jason C

(Report would be option 3, but only randomly.)

Doorknob

abort / retry / ignore

bummi

interesting: superuser.com/a/895968/172747

bjb568

22:13

@Doorknob I agree with that, I'm not making unreadable code for the sake of performance, nor did I ever say it's a good idea.

hichris123

@bjb568 Hrm, well let's make this simple then: jQuery is slow. Vanilla JS is slow. The best code is no code at all.

user259867

@Doorknob Well, I wanted one click, but since that would involve typing something else, I guess vd will work.

bummi

peace ... please :{

Jason C

@bummi Misread as "sharted out the memory"

Lynn Crumbling

@bummi Flagging NAA

bummi

22:16

@JasonC the answer in howtogeek.com is referring this question, that's what I found interesting

hichris123

@bummi wait wait wait really? Ahahaha.

bjb568

@hichris123 So code the minimal amount for it to be functional. Fine. What's your point?

hichris123

@bjb568 That everything is slow. It's just a matter of how slow.

bummi

@hichris123 would be interesting to know is superuser and name are enough to attribute the owner?

bjb568

@hichris123 That makes no sense. "Everything is slow"… relative to something that is very fast, of course, that's by definition. "It's just a matter of how slow"… that is not a logical sentence.

hichris123

22:21

@bjb568 "relative to something that is very fast" or relative to no time.

bjb568

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

hichris123

Everything is slow.

Start off with that.

bummi

at least the are linking somewhere to the thread

Jason C

@bjb568 Is the code you're using now noticeably too slow?

bjb568

@hichris123 Relative to what?

@JasonC What code? DD?

Jason C

22:23

@bjb568 Whatever you're talking about.

hichris123

@bjb568 0.0 seconds.

bjb568

@JasonC Nothing specific.

@hichris123 So?

hichris123

Doing something is slower than doing nothing.

bjb568

Obviously, I get that.

Jason C

@bjb568 @hichris123 Then it's perfectly fine code. Next.

hichris123

22:25

@bjb568 Therefore, if you want to do something, it's going to be slower than you want it to be.

bjb568

@hichris123 Let's see if you can find assumptions that led to that conclusion. I'll just sit here and watch.

hichris123

@bjb568 Assumption 1: you want what you're doing to be as fast as possible.

bjb568

Ok.

hichris123

Assumption 2: What you're doing by definition takes time, which is therefore not as fast as possible.

bjb568

Shakey, but fine.

hichris123

22:27

Assumption 3: You will never be truly satisfied with how quickly it happens.

bjb568

Nope.

hichris123

Or would you?

I don't know.

bjb568

Hint:

1 min ago, by bjb568

Nope.

hichris123

It seems that Assumption 1 would propel you to optimize as much as possible, and Assumption 2 states that that's never possible.

bjb568

I want to optimize as much as possible, but I also want other things as much as possible or as little as possible. So I make a tradeoff.

Like with literally everything in life.

hichris123

22:31

Exactly.

Which is where jQuery comes into play.

Ease of use, or speed?

bjb568

I say you lose both with jQuery.

hichris123

There's quite a few things that are much less verbose with jQuery.

bjb568

Sometimes verbosity is easier to use.

hichris123

For programmers that Google solutions? Hardly.

Now, that's not to say it's always the right choice.

bjb568

@hichris123 Who are you referring to here?

user259867

22:46

Woodworking made it to the public beta.

bjb568

yay

user259867

Fun fact: none of the betas launched in 2013 or later graduated yet.

bummi

IMHO spam superuser.com/a/895978/172747

bjb568

SPAM ^

bummi

@bjb568 can spam hunting be legit stalking?

bjb568

22:57

meh, I guess

bummi

@bjb568 would you translate meh?, please

bjb568

It doesn't mean much.

bummi

1. yes 2. no

does not matter, how to get them without ?

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23:15

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Getting Cookie returns NULL every time by Danielle Shwed on stackoverflow.com

bjb568

Should all the controls always be there for consistency, but greyed out when not applicable?

Or just completely hidden?

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23:45

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Bottle web app not serving static css files by user1994100 on stackoverflow.com

bjb568

Alive?

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[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title: How do you build guitar 'muscle memory' faster? by Tim Hargreaves on music.stackexchange.com

user259867

@SmokeDetector ignore

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bjb568

Ooh, woodface is here. So… which version do you like above?

… or maybe he's not here.

Maybe I need to ping @woodface

@woodface may just be on another tab

Pinging @woodface shouldn't annoy him at all, it's just a pleasant reminder for @woodface that kitteh has a question for @woodface so @woodface should come answer the question for @woodface

Or maybe he's gone.

Unihedro

23:50

1cvplz stackoverflow.com/questions/29169873/…

bjb568

Oh @uni is here, maybe he can answer by usability question!

@Unihedro poof

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