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00:00

cv-plz-dup meta.stackexchange.com/q/251663/180276

Frank

@Doorknob game link?

Undo

@Frank chess.com/echess/game?id=107606678

Frank

oh, there

Undo

I'm gonna have to run shortly, fyi

as in like right now. Cya!

Doorknob

awwww. But the game was so close to ending! :P

Meanwhile, I shall deliberate my next move... hmm. Debating between Bf7 and Nf7.

SmokeDetector

00:02

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: THE TRANSFORMATION OF TRIANGLE ABC TO TRIANGLE A'B'C' WHAT IS THE IMAGE OF A by JAY on math.stackexchange.com

ɥʇǝS

I hate boards with no numbers/letters on the side >.>

Use the bishop @Doorknob.

But don't take my word for it.

Frank

check this out!

2

Doorknob

Yeah, that's what I was going to do. The knight isn't currently in any danger, and it'd be better to save it if possible

ɥʇǝS

Is it fair if I give advice >:D

(bad or otherwise.. ;)

Doorknob

@Frank Nice, you're the first!

ɥʇǝS

00:03

@Frank woot woot!

Frank

XD

user259867

@Frank I hope drinking hemlock poison is optional.

Jason C

I don't understand those badges.

ɥʇǝS

you do realize you have the advantage right @Doorknob?

bjb568

theworstportfolioever.com

ɥʇǝS

00:05

well, sorta.

Frank

I've asked 142 Questions, all of which have been upvoted

Jason C

I just got "Curious" on SO an hour or two ago but I haven't asked a question there in over a week.

Doorknob

@ɥʇǝS Uhh... what?

ɥʇǝS

if I can get some coordinates on the board..

Frank

@JasonC I haven't asked a q on GL in over a month (last one was Feb. 5 iirc)

Doorknob

00:06

I technically have a material advantage, but all my pieces are scrunched up in a corner, which is far worse.

Frank

so don't know why it was suddenly awarded.

AstroCB

Why is not capitalizing "I" so common in SE posts?

bjb568

coz

AstroCB

Is it that difficult to reach Shift?

Doorknob

25

Q: Should we change the positive asking record criteria for the Curious badge set?

Poking around the people's profiles to see how the new activity page looks I keep seeing things like this: It looks strange to have a 25/5 progress on a badge, but the dialog explains that what this user is missing is a positive record of asking. The formula is: (total questions - negative qu...

Frank

00:07

@AstroCB i see that everywhere

bjb568

people stupid n lazy

Jason C

@AstroCB s/in SE posts/everywhere

Doorknob

I think that just happened

Jason C

Oh maybe that's it.

AstroCB

@JasonC I know, but you'd think if you're trying to get some attention for your question, you'd at least put a little bit of effort to make it presentable.

ɥʇǝS

00:08

@Doorknob BAH. Is there no way to get the coordinates to show up?

Jason C

You'd think that, but keep dreaming.

ɥʇǝS

oh I found it

Frank

beat 142 questions, all upvoted. None 0 voted. I didn't realize that til just now...

user259867

> I think that using a capital "i" in the middle of a sentence is obsolete. Please don't remove it from my posts. Or whatever, it's too hard to keep up with all you old-style-grammar people. :( -- scimonster

user259867

Fortunately it's one of the easier things to autofix when editing.

Jason C

00:11

I like the honesty of his opinion, though, lol.

ɥʇǝS

@Doorknob oh, your last move kind of messed it up.

err, move two moves ago.

Frank

<p>your browsers don't support this shit</p>

@SmokeDetector fp

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp fp fp

Frank

!!/alive

bjb568

@SmokeDetector fp fp fp fp fp fp fp fp fp

Frank

00:13

ok I'll start digging the grave...

Jason C

@SmokeDetector falsetrue

SmokeDetector

@JasonC Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Jason C

Lol wat

flexes

Frank

@JasonC hahaha

ɥʇǝS

@Doorknob Move your king and you can do Rxg1#

Frank

00:14

!!/alive

SmokeDetector

@Frank You doubt me?

Frank

kinda

Jason C

^ Yeah

user259867

> What is the difference between these math courses?... MAT120, MAT121, and MAT122. [school unknown]

Frank

hmmm

I know

the last digit!

xD

Undo

00:17

okay back

@Doorknob still around?

Frank

@Undo Smokey doesn't like it when you go away

Undo

awww

poor thing

!!/alive?

SmokeDetector

@Undo Kinda sorta

Frank

@Undo see above, he was falling asleep

hichris123

Wanna be a dev at the CERN Accelerator Complex in Genève (think: Large Hadron Collider)? We've got you covered. https://careers.stackoverflow.com/jobs/83497/software-engineer-cern-european-organization

Tweeted by haneycodes on March 19, 2015 at 4:01 PM

Undo

00:19

weird

hichris123

Hmm, does @Bart need a job?

;)

bjb568

yay inverted colors

Undo

that looks terrible

also, your move @Doorknob

ɥʇǝS

Lets see if he does what I would >:)

Man, I'd forgotten how much I love this!

Jason C

@hichris123 I want to hate the careers site but that looks like kind of a cool job.

Undo

00:26

Chess is great fun :D

@ɥʇǝS now I'm curious, what'd you do?

hichris123

@JasonC Hey, relocation is offered. ;)

Jason C

I see that...

AstroCB

@Woodface Yes, because you can declare an 800 year-old core language feature obsolete singlehandedly.

ɥʇǝS

@Undo You mean what move I would make?

Undo

@ɥʇǝS yeah

ɥʇǝS

00:30

It's a secret until after he moves :P

Undo

Oh :P

Jason C

Dang, every point in that job is right up my alley, and I have every requirement, except I don't have a degree.

user259867

Stay in school, kids.

Jason C

^

Frank

won on time here

user259867

00:31

But not for too long. Ph.D may be overdoing it.

Frank

(he didn't see the clumsy open queen at the beginning)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] Repeating characters in body: Problem in adding Lightning app to Salesforce 1 by Vandana on salesforce.stackexchange.com

Jason C

Ha, I've never actually felt bad about dropping out of school until this very moment. I'll bbl, I'm going to go binge eat steak and bacon, chain smoke, then cry into my pillow for a while.

Undo

Really what it feels like is every hiring manager just stamping "must have piece of paper" on every job.

Doorknob

@Undo Sorry, at a restaurant with friends. I'll play you back later

Frank

00:35

live.chess.com/live?v=2015022001#g=1094133019

Undo

@Doorknob ah okay, np :)

Jason C

@Doorknob Are you playing online chess while you're out eating with friends?

More like DORKnob! HA HA HA!

I'm just kidding, that was mean.

user259867

It's been estimated that over 100K people die every day. You're lucky you only lost 25K views... — Shog9 ♦ 4 mins ago

user259867

More adventures with the idiotic piece of stats.

user259867

I brought mine down by ~20K by deleting one of my answers.

ɥʇǝS

00:40

there should be some way to "fork" a chess game on these sites

James

@Woodface, you deleted a an answer that was worth 20K?

user259867

Reaching so many people is dangerous during the flu season.

bjb568

@Woodface latest epidemic at skewl is coming to an end

user259867

Still waiting for the new design of Server Fault to show up.

bjb568

4th one this winter…

Frank

00:47

hey, went over 900 with this game live.chess.com/live?v=2015022001#g=1094141098

bjb568

login wall

bjb568@yrrl-5vnx:/root/DevDoodle$ mail bjb568
Cc:
Subject: hi
hi
bjb568@yrrl-5vnx:/root/DevDoodle$ mail
No mail for bjb568

Mail is impossible.

I will never be able to validate my SSL cert.

I can send mail to the outside world, but not receive it.

Doorknob

@JasonC Doorknob is an acronym of DorkNoob :P

Jason C

@bjb568 You have all your ports open? 587?

Doorknob

Food still isn't here. I'm going to try figuring out my move now

bjb568

@JasonC Looking… yas, open

Jason C

00:58

MX records set correctly?

Frank

trying to get teh bullet chess rating up

Greg Ros

Is it correct that list-type questions are generally frowned upon in SE?

Or does it depend upon context

Frank

@GregRos generally, yeah

cuz there is no best answer

it brings up a bunch of opinions.

Braiam

> upon context

Jason C

@bjb568 What's your email address? I'll send a test mail and check my server logs.

bjb568

01:00

@JasonC probably ^

Frank

@JasonC bjb568@!awsomecatz.kewl

bjb568

@JasonC bjb568 @ mewabsite . com

where me wabsite is DD and .com is not .com

user259867

@Doorknob You mean anagram, not acronym.

user259867

Entering "anagram" into Google brings up an Easter egg, btw.

Andrew T.

> .com is not .com

bjb568

01:01

@Doorknob u suffar much

Andrew T.

!!/wut?

SmokeDetector

@AndrewT. Whaddya mean, 'wut'? Humans...

bjb568

@AndrewT. yes, .net

> No mail for bjb568

furevar alooooooone :(

user259867

There was also "picklish" in the first version of the username. An anagram of... "Lick Hips"??

Frank

!!/what's-better-than-a-cat?

:(

bjb568

01:03

a kewl kitteh!

Jason C

@bjb568 Connection refused to port 25 when submitting mail.

DNS looks fine, btw.

bjb568

Andrew T.

maybe other firewall? i dunno

Jason C

@bjb568 Nope, can't connect. Ask your ISP if they block it.

bjb568

I really doubt it, I got it working on another service.

Avinash Raj

01:09

@Shog9 may i know the reason for deletion of this question?

Jason C

Well I definitely can't connect to your port 25, but you are reachable, I can connect to your SSH port. You can also test at canyouseeme.org if you don't want to believe me.

Maybe like Andrew says; do you have another firewall interfering?

Shog9

@AvinashRaj extremely poor quality

bjb568

Given they have this article, probably not mediatemple

@JasonC I can't connect either.

@JasonC IDK… :P

I don't recall anything like that.

Oh wait, maybe I borked something like iptables or whatever it was.

I was screwing with it before.

Jason C

@bjb568 That article is odd; the way I read it they're describing the opposite and saying that they don't block outgoing connections from you to SMTP servers elsewhere (which seems like a misguided attempt at keeping their customers from sending spam).

But I'm also hungry.

bjb568

that's relevant.

Avinash Raj

01:13

hmm

bjb568

I essentially copy pasted unix.stackexchange.com/q/13755/77768 so now iptables isn't a problem

user259867

"I know, I'll copy-paste from Stack Exchange..."

Jason C

Can you telnet to your port 25 locally, from behind your firewall?

Try both from the server itself and from another machine on your lan.

bjb568

bjb568@yrrl-5vnx:/root/DevDoodle$ telnet localhost 25
Trying ::1...
Connected to localhost.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mail.devdoodle.net ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)

On server seems to work.

Don't have another server on lan.

Braiam

@bjb568 sudo lsof -i :25?

Jason C

01:15

What about the firewall in your router?

Braiam

@bjb568 it's hearing the localhost, it doesn't mean that is hearing the ethernet interface

Andrew T.

port forwarding?

Braiam

@AndrewT. I prefer testing a layer at time

from inside out

Jason C

@bjb568 If you can find another machine on your lan to test with that's the next best step to narrowing it down. How about your phone, on wifi, with a telnet app?

Andrew T.

@Braiam point taken, since I never handle network administration actually :)

bjb568

01:17

bjb568@yrrl-5vnx:/root/DevDoodle$ telnet devdoodle.net 25
Trying 205.186.144.188...
telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused
bjb568@yrrl-5vnx:/root/DevDoodle$

@Braiam yer rit

Braiam

yup

is that your real ip?

bjb568

bjb568@yrrl-5vnx:/root/DevDoodle$ sudo lsof -i :25
COMMAND   PID    USER   FD   TYPE     DEVICE SIZE/OFF NODE NAME
master   3633    root   12u  IPv4 3532693945      0t0  TCP localhost:smtp (LISTEN)
master   3633    root   13u  IPv6 3532693946      0t0  TCP localhost:smtp (LISTEN)
smtpd   20730 postfix    6u  IPv4 3532693945      0t0  TCP localhost:smtp (LISTEN)
smtpd   20730 postfix    7u  IPv6 3532693946      0t0  TCP localhost:smtp (LISTEN)

@Braiam ^

@Braiam DD's

Jason C

@bjb568 That doesn't add info, we already knew it couldn't happen from the outside, and unless your router has hairpin routing, it went out then back in.

bjb568

@JasonC IDK, it's not user configurable

@AndrewT. I don't think I'm doing that

@JasonC How would that help?

Braiam

@bjb568 is only listening on localhost....

Jason C

01:20

@bjb568 They're all bound to localhost, not to * or any specific interface.

Check your mail server configuration.

bjb568

@JasonC looks like words and colors

Braiam

@bjb568 what are you using?

Jason C

@bjb568 Because that will tell you if it's listening on that interface, without any added possibility of problems from routers, ISPs, or anything outside. But, given your lsof output, not necessary now.

bjb568

@Braiam teh postfix

Braiam

upload a sanitized copy of your /etc/postfix/master.cf

Jason C

01:22

@bjb568 In your config file what is inet_interfaces and smtp_bind_address (if specified) set to?

bjb568

@Braiam pastebin.com/FHjkxxJ7

Oh, there's a master thing too?

much complicate!

Jason C

@bjb568 inet_interfaces = localhost set it to all for now.

Line 42 in the pastebin.

Braiam

> inet_interfaces = localhost

:(

then systemctl postfix restart or however is supposed to restart

bjb568

pastebin.com/GfniZFZP

@JasonC ok…

Jason C

@bjb568 See also postfix.org/postconf.5.html#inet_interfaces

Braiam

01:25

postfix is quite powerful but dainty

Doorknob

@Undo Sorry, the food arrived literally just as I sent that message :P

bjb568

bjb568@yrrl-5vnx:/root/DevDoodle$ telnet devdoodle.net 25
Trying 205.186.144.188...
Connected to devdoodle.net.
Escape character is '^]'.
220 mail.devdoodle.net ESMTP Postfix (Ubuntu)

yay better

Jason C

It works now; mail sent.

bjb568

Appears to be telnet-able on 587, but not 25 from my laptop

Braiam

mail retrieved...?

bjb568

01:26

No mail for bjb568

Doorknob

Your turn. My friend tried to help but the only advice he had was "move the pawn" which would achieve... absolutely nothing

Jason C

My server was happy sending it; did you get it?

And I can telnet no problem.

bjb568

Didn't get anything.

Braiam

Starting Nmap 6.47 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2015-03-19 21:27 AST
Nmap scan report for devdoodle.net (205.186.144.188)
Host is up (0.14s latency).
PORT STATE SERVICE
25/tcp filtered smtp

mm...

bjb568

My New Year's resolution for 2014-54-12/30/14 Dec:12:1420001642 is to learn these stupid time formatting strings.

Andrew T.

01:28

my email didn't get bounced

bjb568

I hear in some places, you need one form of ID to buy a gun, but two to pay for it by check. It's interesting who has what incentives to care about what mistakes.

Jason C

@bjb568 We're a step farther. This time it got bounced by your server with unknown recipient. bjb568@, correct?

bjb568

3 relevant xkcds for this, must be hard for everyone.

@JasonC yah

you can try admin or support or root too

Jason C

<[email protected]>: host mail.removed.net[removed] said: 550 5.1.1 <[email protected]>: Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table (in reply to RCPT TO command)

Andrew T.

welp, bounced, in the end

Braiam

01:30

translation: when I asked postfix for bjb, he said such person doesn't exist

bjb568

:O

Jason C

Sort of... I think there's more to that error than the standard unknown recipient.

Does your server actually have a login account named bjb568?

bjb568

yah

Does there need to be anything in /etc/postfix/virtual? It's empty now.

Andrew T.

> This happens if you've set up some email addresses for a domain in the control panel, but the domain itself isn't actually using our mail servers.

bjb568

@AndrewT. quotesource?

Jason C

01:33

Same deal with admin, server, root.

Andrew T.

it's from here, maybe not related

Jason C

No, the domain mail servers are correct.

Andrew T.

searching for "virtual alias table [RCPT_TO]"

bjb568

@AndrewT. probably not, esp because SE clone

with worse design than SE

Frank

haha, look how far I played this before he resigned... live.chess.com/live?v=2015022001#g=1094172245

bjb568

01:34

@Frank login wall

Jason C

@bjb568 Try adding a line [email protected] bjb568 to your virtual file.

Braiam

> 550 5.1.1 Recipient address rejected: User unknown in virtual alias table;
This is the bounce back message that is received by the sender from our server if the destination email address does not exist.
The same error message is received if the recipient has a mail loop. That is, if the recipient has set a forward to another email address and that email address is forwarded back to the original one. In this case, you need to remove the loop in order to receive the emails.
If there is a forward set for an account, and an email is sent to that account, if for some reason the forwarded email…

Jason C

Then restart. Let me know when you did that and I'll test again.

bjb568

@JasonC like, replacing removed?

Braiam

time to install postfix.... no

Jason C

01:35

Yeah with your real domain.

I'm trying to save you some spam here, lol.

bjb568

:P

@JasonC ok

Andrew T.

!se User unknown in virtual alias table

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp lol

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Jason C

@bjb568 Hm, same problem. That was my best guess, from postfix.org/VIRTUAL_README.html#virtual_alias. You should read the postfix manual. Sounds like you have some sort of virtual host thing set up or something that you aren't aware of.

James

01:38

bahahahahaa

Jason C

Especially if you copied the config file from somebody else's setup.

bjb568

@JasonC oh noes

Andrew T.

maybe http://superuser.com/questions/743769/recipient-address-rejected-user-unknown-in-virtual-mailbox-table-when-sending
related http://serverfault.com/questions/179419/postfix-recipient-address-rejected-user-unknown-in-local-recipient-table

Jason C

@bjb568 Do you have a file named /etc/aliases?

bjb568

# See man 5 aliases for format
postmaster:    root

@JasonC yas ^

Braiam

01:42

@JasonC send the mail to [email protected]

Jason C

In your master.cf file set myhostname to devdoodle.net, not mail.devdoodle.net.

Then restart and I'll test again.

Braiam

> The solution, as explained b techieb0y, is to remove $mydomain from the line:

mydestination = $mydomain, localhost.$mydomain, localhost

you need the opposite

Jason C

Nevermind follow Braiam's suggestion, I may have misinterpreted myhostname, I'm just guessing at this point. I'll try Braiam's test right now.

Braiam

> This line tells postfix that any messages sent to $mydomain are to be received and stored on this server. That's not what I want (what you want), I want those messages to be sent to the actual mailserver for example.com.

bjb568

sounds complifusing

Jason C

01:44

@Braiam that won't work, there's no dns entry for devdoodle.

@bjb568 did you just copy your postfix config file from somewhere? Why not start from scratch and follow e.g. linux.com/learn/tutorials/… or similar.

bjb568

@JasonC I followed a tutorial

Braiam

@bjb568 change myorigin = devdoodle.net to myorigin = $mydomain

and:

Jason C

drumroll

Braiam

echo "bjb568: bjb568" >> /etc/aliases
postalias /etc/aliases

Jason C

Oh yeah wait I'm going to try sending to postmaster, see if it arrives at the root@ address.

Nope.

Braiam

01:49

boo

bjb568

@Braiam huh… permission denied

user259867

@SmokeDetector fp

Jason C

@Braiam I think he's got "virtual aliases" configured, based on what I'm reading, but I'm not sure. Meaning it'd go in virtual.

SmokeDetector

@Woodface Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

Braiam

well, at least postfix is responding.. so we have progressed

Jason C

01:50

Yeah

Braiam

@JasonC he has alias_maps = hash:/etc/aliases

and alias_database = hash:/etc/aliases

@bjb568 what postfix logs say about the mails it tries to deliver?

bjb568

@Braiam does that mean override file with or something?

Jason C

@bjb568 Try commenting out those virtual_alias_* lines at the end of your config file, restarting, and then modifying /etc/aliases and running postalias as Braiam suggests, and possibly restarting again.

@Braiam Yeah but he also has virtual_alias_maps.

Andrew T.

cv-plz broken code codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/84543/…

Braiam

ok... lets see where I saw that postfix configurator...

bjb568

01:53

@Braiam can't find logs, not in places wabernat says is default

ɥʇǝS

haha @Doorknob did what I was going to!

Jason C

In any case try without the virtual_alias lines, even if you can't modify /etc/aliases for whatever reason.

Then we can at least try postmaster@ and root@

Braiam

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/q/507376/792066

@JasonC he can't because he isn't root

Frank

I haz may root

bjb568

@JasonC k

SmokeDetector

01:55

[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: I Dont Know The Title Of This Cases . . by Pratomo Asta Nugraha on superuser.com

bjb568

@JasonC can modify /etc/aliases with vim

Jason C

@SmokeDetector i detected ur moms offensive body

Braiam

stackoverflow.com/review/low-quality-posts

> There are no items for you to review, matching the filter "questions"

yuk stackoverflow.com/questions/571439/azure-task-scheduler

Jason C

@SmokeDetector fp

SmokeDetector

@JasonC Registered question as false positive and added title to Bayesian doctype 'good'.

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