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bjb568

00:06

Why do particles disperse in solution? It's intuitive that in a universe with nonzero energy, particles will scatter in unpredictable ways and not stay together. But is there a way to prove it? It also kinda makes sense that entropy will increase, and they say entropy is always increasing in the universe. Why?

user259867

Let's take 3 particles in a 1-dimensional world, like the interval [0,1]. Their positions, x,y,z, can be encoded by a single point (x,y,z) in the 3-dimensional cube [0,1]^3. (Key word: configuration space). This point will be moving in a cube bouncing off the walls when the particles hit 0 or 1. It has no preference for any particular location in the cube.

user259867

The part of the cube where the three particles are within, say, 0.1 distance of each other is roughly a cylinder of radius 0.1 around the spatial (long) diagonal of the cube, connecting (0,0,0) to (1,1,1). Key point: volume-wise, this is a small part of the cube.

user259867

Therefore, the particles will spend little time close to each other, proportional to the time we spend observing them.

user259867

Now this was a rather small model. Take 10^20 or so particles in a 3-dimensional box. The configuration space will now be have 3*10^20 dimensions. But the same ideas hold: the part of configuration space that corresponds to the particles being close together has small volume.

user259867

By which I mean, extremely small volume (such disproportions get exaggerated in very high dimensions). So within our lifetime, we are never going to observe the particles reaching such a state, even though they in principle could. Of course we can make them begin in such a state, by dropping a concentrated bit of matter somewhere. But moving randomly on their own, they will leave that tiny region of the configuration space, unlikely to return.

bjb568

00:14

Oh, kewl, so if the particles' positions are independent, being together is just statistically unlikely which is easy to see because they could equally be anywhere. If they ~~push eachother away~~ repel (like ions with electromagnetism force or whatever), then theyre pushed apart with nothing to counteract it.

Yay, I'll now eat pizza.

user259867

The one that Mooseman never finished?

bjb568

:P

Unihedro

But mooseman is still eating pizza.

bluet

:( reminds me of when I had a nice pizza hat to wear

hichris123

19

A: summer bash 2015

Winter Bash is as much fun as it is, in small part, due to it taking place once a year. The Winter Bash adds some incentive to participate during the slower holiday season when visits, contributions, etc. tend to decline. A 'Summer Bash', while probably a lot of fun, would potentially dilute the...

user273376

00:41

omg, just got a Reversal badge - awesome!

bluet

congrats !

user259867

But no pirate hat.

user259867

I hope they will indeed change the requirements for Reversal to be closer to what Red Baron hat was.

user259867

An answer that reverses the direction in which the question was going.

user273376

I am glad the answer made sense!

user259867

00:45

And I'm being jealous. :p

user259867

Also unhappy about parsing an HTML document in which headings are actually spans with bold font.

user259867

In 2015....

user273376

@Fundamental don't be jealous!

user259867

I want the jealous badge.

user273376

I want the sabre-tooth badge

bluet

00:52

#itsnotxmasanymore

user273376

@bluet yes! tell that to the advertisers here

user273376

gah!

Anonymous

@hichris123 Hey. I'm getting 1.5KB/s of valid data from someone running a weird client (it seems to be identifying itself with non-ASCII characters). That's not you, eh?

hichris123

@JeremyBanks Probably not. I'm using uTorrent, so...

Anonymous

@hichris123 Hmm. I don't suppose you know how to add trackers to an active torrent in µTorrent? I added udp://tracker.openbittorrent.com:80/announce and udp://tracker.publicbt.com:80 to mine, to see if I could get any random peers.

hichris123

01:05

@JeremyBanks Hold on a sec, I can try. :P

I think I'm seeding to you now.

Anonymous

Looks like it! It's jumped to 1Mb/s.

Anonymous

Awesome, thanks.

bjb568

01:21

Hay, looks like there's another kitten here!

Hi, @sabretooth!

Many skary

Unihedro

or, you know, look into a mirror

bjb568

rawr

I lookz kewl!

Unihedro

ror

bjb568

:D

user273376

01:39

@bjb568 MEOW!

bjb568

MEEEEEEW!

user273376

lol, I am a Sabre Tooth Kitten.... fear me!

bjb568

:O

bows down

user259867

"Sabre Tooth Kitten" would be a better OS X version name, and more consistent with past names, than Yosemite.

bjb568

Kind of long tho.

user259867

01:45

OS X sbr_tth_kttn, then

bjb568

-1

A: Save buttons that don't save

You missed out the third and best option. The fact that your clients are being perpetually confused about your interface to the extent that they're forcing you to give its buttons misleading and incorrect names is a strong indicator that the interface is fundamentally flawed. Consider going to a...

wow, great answer

Your product is crap, redo everything.

This question started off okay but, by the end, had devolved into laziness. Is this how you approached your work tasks? — Lightness Races in Orbit 17 mins ago

sigh…

user273376

02:00

@bjb568 this is good!

user273376

@Fundamental it'd be a catastrophe if there weren't one

bjb568

I think you broke the paws in the stream of starred messages!

user273376

@Fundamental that is quite catchy

GnomeSlice

►

user259867

@bjb568 Is this page in your bookmarks?

bjb568

02:05

There's an activity tab? Sweet!

That'll save time.

I didn't know that existed.

hichris123

brb reporting bjb for stalking

user259867

I knew because I have its analog in my bookmarklets, for another user.

user259867

Now hichris will have two reports to file.

hichris123

> Yeah I can see that too. This guy really got some nerves. He apparently has some God gifted abilities to magically know that people who are downvoting are those who doesn't like this question :)

some people are really nice.

@Fundamental lol

bjb568

@GnomeSlice The music was actually quite good.

CV stackoverflow.com/q/27883174/2371861

℃ ℉

^ 3 letters!

Unihedro

02:18

Construction Foam?

bjb568

Me likey unicode.

@Unihedro Yes, that.

user259867

The stages of learning the Unicode standard: -_- ^_^ o_^ o_o O_O (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

Tweeted by mattmight on January 9, 2015 at 4:45 PM

bjb568

purrleese, unless you have to deal with Windows, you'll never encounter those support pawrblems!

GnomeSlice

@bjb568 toe-tappin' even.

bjb568

No, like harmonic analysis even!

I still have yet to figure out what this is for.

O_O

Should DD votes be cast via XHR or Sockets?

Unihedro

02:37

(rolls eyes) Why not both?

3ventic

DD votes?

user259867

@3ventic Dunkin' Donuts

3ventic

Votes for a fast food restaurant..?

bjb568

@3ventic DevDoodle

Is one faster than the other?

I'd think sockets are.

3ventic

If you have a socket connection already, you might as well use it, but otherwise XHR is probably better

user259867

02:44

Dunkin is not really a restaurant, and does not have much in terms of food. Or coffee for that matter.

user259867

But donuts... mmm, donuts.

bjb568

@3ventic k

user259867

This location doesn't have Double Chocolate. :(

bjb568

Dunkin may be best in Taiwan, but in civilized places, go to krispy kremes.

Hey, the even have decent typography on their wabsite!

Shokhet

02:51

anyone know about SE markdown? .....I'm having some issues with a specific post.

user259867

Link?

Shokhet

hang on; I didn't post it yet, so I took screenshots

....I don't want it to be sub-bullets; why is it doing that?

user259867

There is extra space before the first bullet, try removing it.

Shokhet

k, brb

@Fundamental That was the problem. Thanks!

user259867

np. Also note that empty lines between the items may increase the vertical spacing in the rendered list: this may or may not be what you want.

Shokhet

02:56

I didn't realize that, no....that was something I tried to fix the problem of the sub-list (though it didn't work)

Thanks!

user259867

I thought that those empty lines would result in separate <ul><li>text</li></ul>. But this is not what's happening; instead, the bullets separated by empty lines become <ul><li><p>text</p></li></ul>

Shokhet

.....it's been years since I looked at HTML. I'm not exactly sure what that means, but I'll take your word for it :P

bjb568

r u blind?

user259867

@bjb568 ?

user259867

@Shokhet BTW are you looking forward to moderating LH?

bjb568

03:05

> Fundamental: <some html />
> Shokhet: it's been years since I looked at HTML

Shog9

clearly, that was XHTML, not HTML

Shokhet

@Shog9 I apologize to anyone I've insulted with that remark.

:P

Shog9

(as usual, I have no idea what bjb is on about)

user259867

I have no idea what the creators of XHTML were about.

Shog9

they were drunk on the sweet ambrosia that was XML in the early 2000s

Shokhet

03:07

@Fundamental A little. The only think I'm worried about is not having enough time to do the job right.

Shog9

a heady vintage indeed, though age was not kind to it

bjb568

@Shog9 The humor is caused by the contradiction from Shokhet obviously seeing the HTML Fundamental posted before saying he hadn't seen HTML for a while significantly longer than the time between his message and Fundamental's.

user259867

LH should have 4-5 mods instead of 3, to handle all the deletions.

bjb568

And 10k to all!

Shog9

Today I learned that bjb reads chat messages before responding to them.

<-- Impressed

Shokhet

03:09

@Fundamental D'you think? ....it's smaller, currently, than other sites I can name that have three mods.

user259867

On the starboard, it's the star that's impressed.

bjb568

@Shog9 I certainly don't for questions before VLQ'ing and ranting to all the highreps in the comments.

Shog9

Impressment

Impressment, colloquially, "the press" or the "press gang", refers to the act of taking men into a navy by force and with or without notice. Navies of several nations used forced recruitment by various means. The large size of the British Royal Navy in the Age of Sail meant impressment was most commonly associated with Britain. It was used by the Royal Navy in wartime, beginning in 1664 and during the 18th and early 19th centuries as a means of crewing warships, although legal sanction for the practice goes back to the time of Edward I of England. The Royal Navy impressed many merchant sailors...

hichris123

@Shog9 Although his message was incredibly verbose, so...

user259867

@Shokhet Last time I checked, LH had more than half of all posts in the deleted state. Let me re-check...

hichris123

03:10

!verbose=0

there

Shog9

FREE THE STARS!

Shokhet

@Fundamental I think that's @Shog9's fault, actually....though I don't currently have the privilege of viewing deleted posts.

GnomeSlice

@Shog9 How else do you respond to them?

user259867

Currently, 67% of all Lifehacks posts are deleted.

Shog9

you can't blame me for ALL of them

17%

how are you getting 67%?

Shokhet

03:12

@Fundamental Really? Wow.

GnomeSlice

@Fundamental hue

user259867

As usual, I'm ignoring tag wikis, which is probably the reason...

GnomeSlice

Oh, it's not 67%?

Shog9

20% of questions are deleted

bjb568

aww

user259867

03:13

307 visible Qs, 915 visible As, out of 3695 post Ids.

Shokhet

@Shog9 I didn't. I just saw one of my questions duplicated, almost exactly, and couldn't find it....found it under "deleted questions," deleted by yours truly. I thought that was a waste of effort.

Shog9

contrast with 19% deleted questions on Stack Overflow

Shokhet

but there are also much fewer questions than on SO

Shog9

@Fundamental ah, yeah. Only 1480 normal posts.

Shokhet

and I think that there are fewer questions per day, as well

bjb568

03:14

@Shog9 That's weak. DevDoodle will be better!

I'll raise it to 60%!

Shog9

down from the current 100%?

bjb568

There are no questions… so division by 0 error… ?

:P

user259867

@Shog9 But I count about 100 tags on LH. What are those Ids used for?

Shog9

I heard DevDoodle gets 20,000 questions per day, and bjb single-handedly deletes all of them

15

bjb568

:O

hichris123

03:16

Wait, bjb's a moderator on DevDoodle? This changes things...

bjb568

ima dev!

And the only level-2 mod.

pwoof!

user259867

Speaking of deletions, I thought this was funny enough to be preserved as a screenshot:

user259867

Shog9

@Fundamental 534-1519 aren't used

bjb568

@Shog9 Why?

Shokhet

03:19

@Fundamental Huh. Besides for typoes, I think that sounds very much like someone's homework.

bjb568

@Shokhet ya don't say?

Shog9

2615-3612 aren't used either

user259867

For no reason other than to mess with my stats collection? >:$

hichris123

@bjb568 So you are a mod! :O

bjb568

:O

Shokhet

03:19

@bjb568 The sites I'm most active on don't get much homework questions

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: BAJOTZ ARTWORK [WATTPAD67] by Bajotz .X. on android.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

@SmokeDetector tpu

SmokeDetector

@JanDvorak Registered as true positive: added title to Bayesian doctype 'bad' and blacklisted user.

bjb568

Knowing which swear words you said to the machine can help us diagnose your problem. — bjb568 7 secs ago

user259867

www.wattpad.com/78459577-bajotz www.wattpad.com/78459577-bajotz www.wattpad.com/78459577-bajotz — Bajotz .X. 23 secs ago

user259867

03:22

They did not all fit into the post

5

hichris123

@Fundamental github.com/Charcoal-SE/StatEngine might help a little

Shog9

@bjb568 beats me

bjb568

ur system…

user259867

Someone hacked Lifehacks?

hichris123

Obviously it's @bjb568's fault.

bjb568

03:23

:O

It's C#'s fault!

Why does that wheel of blame looks suspiciously like the old one?

user259867

Because it is the old one.

user259867

Jan 1 at 19:26, by Infinite Snowflakes

^ I reverted, learnt my lesson and now I know why no one changed it before me

bjb568

y?

user259867

SPAM android.stackexchange.com/a/95512/76613

user259867

Same bajotz guy/gal

Jan Dvorak

03:28

What is he even advertising?

Shokhet

@JanDvorak His website (bajotz.com), obviously :P

user259867

Subtle product placement, I see it now.

bjb568

@Shokhet server not found

Shokhet

@bjb568 Same error here, actually. I dunno....

user259867

It's hosted on that wattpad domain, mentioned above. First Google hit for bajotz

bjb568

03:30

slugterra.com is official site, says DDG

AstroCB

03:53

Why can I see this deleted question with <10k?

hichris123

Since it's your audit?

Unihedro

I can't

AstroCB

@hichris123 That's just weird; why show me the deleted question after I review the answer audit (the answer was visible during the audit) and then show me the deleted question but not the answer when I go back and look at it again?

hichris123

Uh... because it's opposite day?

AstroCB

Right.

Unihedro

03:56

checks calendar nope, not april fools...

bjb568

04:14

Jan looks like June.

Many confuse.

AstroCB

destroy-plz stackoverflow.com/questions/27883922/…

user259867

Gone

AstroCB

That took surprisingly long for a post of that nature.

It got 3 close votes and 9 downvotes before it was nuked.

And the user's still there.

user259867

People don't know what their flags are for.

AstroCB

Apparently not...

If there are any moderators here, feel free to destroy this user as well.

user259867

04:24

BTW your post here could be more specific too: It's an offensive post, not just a usual request for delete votes.

bjb568

> I'm a fat pig married to a corrupt pig moderator on stack overflow!

O_O

user259867

So that low rep users like myself know they can help there too.

bjb568

on DD you could do more with low rep.

Infinite Recursion

@Braiam lol no, I kicked bjb only once. Maybe other people kicked him in 24 hours before me, ask them ;)

bjb568

Well, I didn't notice.

Infinite Recursion

04:27

Good

AstroCB

@Fundamental True, but I'm not the kind to use destroy frequently, so I thought that it'd have more effect.

Infinite Recursion

Why does your bot behave like a fake @SmokeDetector? Please terminate that troll bot before you sleep.

AstroCB

@bjb568 I'd like to see the user who created the fake account just to see what Andrew Barber did to incur so much anger.

Shog9

Someone who can't count and doesn't realize that more than one person doesn't care for his posts. And also likes to blame the messenger.

bjb568

noikynoiky

Frank

04:47

►

@bjb relatives fail

bjb568

Oh yeah, well… youtube.com/results?search_query=tree+fails

Catz are smooth

Unihedro

Wow, such a sad scene to see lots of franks drown

bjb568

05:07

Moar gifs?

Unihedro

@bjb568 Reminds me of Toy Story.

bjb568

Unihedro

@bjb568 submit it to thecodinglove.com, it's insane

bjb568

k

►

Shog9

05:31

Begone, foul gifs

bjb568

Foul?

Braiam

@Shog9 a gif to shoo other gifs, sounds legit

bjb568

One for @Undo

(or 2)

Why you shouldn't mess with @Frank.

bjb568

06:02

> WebSockets is very faster than xhr. I think jQuery had better support
WebSockets in Core.

- groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jquery-dev/ajm-BbhHdAE

O_O

Braiam

@bjb568 you need support on server side...

bjb568

@Braiam ambiguous

Braiam

to use websockets you need a server that supports it

bjb568

@Shog9 domain :O

@Braiam Yeah, durr.

nicael

06:29

8

Q: If an edit was suggested to an answer to my question and I go to this edit, I see the checkmark

For example, this edit was proposed to an answer to my question. The bug is I see the checkmark when I go to this edit (I can't click checkmark however).

Fix it while it has a +300 bounty! :)

bjb568

Night!

Braiam

06:51

> Defect: 3 roaches in cabin.
Action: 1 roach killed, 1 wounded, 1 got away.

bluet

@inf... ^ move the gifs to bjbs cv room and kick the multi-giffer pretty plz

2

make the gifs go away

type stuff

user259867

07:34

Moving the gifs away...

user259867

The IAU ban came after the 'redefinition of 'planet' to include the IAU president's mom' incident.

Braiam

@Fundamental he didn't talk about that in his ted talk :(

user259867

Too bad (but that should have been a parenthetical remark :)

user259867

Maybe this: Linux [or BSD :) ]?

nicael

1

A: How to test if a toilet is leaking?

As lifehacker mentions, you can check if your toilet tank is leaking in this way (essential info): Put some dye, e.g. green one (anything coloring) in the toilet tank Don't flush, wait for some time. If in the toilet bowl you see colored water, your toilet is leaking, otherwise it doesn't...

as low audience there now, then...

Braiam

07:41

@Fundamental why not Linux (or BSD :])?

user259867

But that's a different emoticon. Changes the meaning.

Braiam

08:04

@Fundamental mm... how about ( BSD (: )?

Jan Dvorak

spam seed? superuser.com/questions/863308/…

bluet

@JanDvorak possibly, too early to tell

Jan Dvorak

should I wait, or risk it? The user has no other visible activity

bluet

@JanDvorak it's an off topic question, vtc , not spam as of now

Braiam

in Root Access on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 2 mins ago, by Braiam

you guys might want to close this one fast http://superuser.com/q/863308/235569

Jan Dvorak

08:23

answered with spam

now gone

spam flag (older than the answer) marked helpful

vlq security.stackexchange.com/questions/78917/…

Braiam

@JanDvorak interesting opening words: "I wanna be"

Jan Dvorak

doesn't follow with "the guy", though

Braiam

if he wants to be THE guy, he's still 100 years apart

TGMCians

08:52

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27885326/lost-application-project

Jan Dvorak

eugh stackoverflow.com/questions/27884890/…

OT stackoverflow.com/questions/27885455/query-about-ip-address

(cv-pls)

SmokeDetector

10:23

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: DETERMINANT OF SKEW SYMMETRIC MATRIX OF ODD ORDER IS ZERO. HOW by MMS on math.stackexchange.com

Jan Dvorak

unclear

Jan Dvorak

10:38

downworthy? math.stackexchange.com/questions/1099857/…

three answers in three minutes. Not a fan.

bluet

this question which I think was spam had -15 before it was deleted stackoverflow.com/questions/27886094/…

Jan Dvorak

10:56

SPAM meta.stackexchange.com/questions/246918/…

Infinite Recursion

11:53

@bluet Why does @bjb behave like this nowadays? :O

bluet

@InfiniteRecursion rebellion phase?

rene

12:19

Am I in this room or is the avatar board borked?

Hmmm, must have missed the roomenter event from the websocket...

Infinite Recursion

@bluet very likely. That is why I refrain from kicking him.

Sumurai8

cv-pl0x stackoverflow.com/questions/27886945/…

rene

Why is a code snippet not enough for when you have a jsfiddle link?

Bart

13:11

cv-plse stackoverflow.com/questions/27876135/…

Jan Dvorak

@ShadowWizard cool. More stuff to downvote and closevote as unclear (because who is going to read that?) — Jan Dvorak 12 secs ago

Infinite Recursion

13:35

@bjb please post cute gifs in your room

ProgramFOX

in Botlings practice room, 10 secs ago, by bjb568

Yes @Inf. I will stop spamming the Tavern with GIFs.

Unihedro

Late by one second...

ProgramFOX

Botling abuse! >:D

Infinite Recursion

Good to know, but I didn't kick him from this room, why did he reply in the other room?

Did Shog kick him? :D

ProgramFOX

@InfiniteRecursion Because I executed the command there...

in Botlings practice room, 3 mins ago, by ProgramFOX

!comp concatenate "Yes " "@Inf. I will stop spamming the Tavern with GIFs."

Unihedro

13:39

^^^^

Infinite Recursion

I saw it now :(

Tavern task for Sunday: Completed :)

Braiam

Next Trolling Tavern task for Sunday: decide who we are going to troll and how

Unihedro

votes for Shog

3

Bart

It has been nice knowing you @Unihedro

rene

13:58

What did I miss in the pending edit here: stackoverflow.com/questions/27887753/…

Looks almost if the editor rollsback?

ProgramFOX

weird

rejected

Jan Dvorak

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27887965/…

nicael

-2

A: What does ct stand for in drugs?

Not sure, but I think that in this context, ct stands for coated tablet. From The Free Dictionary: a solid disc of one or more pharmaceutic agents that is (1) coated with sugar or a flavoring to mask the taste or (2) enteric-coated, meaning that it is coated with a substance that resists dis...

Jan Dvorak

Why -2?

Braiam

This can't be correct in context because the suppository product is labelled 4 ct. — Jim Reynolds 3 hours ago

Jan Dvorak

14:12

"4 count" doesn't really sound great either

Braiam

with ct they are just saying 6 to 8

you don't know why

0

A: Is "too broad" a valid reason to close a question that doesn't show any research effort?

Let me tell you what I believe is the real reason why it got closed: It's boring! The question probably is too easy to figure out, or utterly uninteresting that people don't want to see them, and the *most effective way to keep them out of the system is close them and fast. If you don't want a ...

^ the ugly truth

rene

15:05

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27887884/… as a dupe of this

Jan Dvorak

15:24

dat title math.stackexchange.com/questions/1100103/…

minor tex fixup, title intact. How typical :-(

rene

You leave the comment?

I have no idea what that title should be anyway. Not even in dutch...

hichris123

FIX MY PROBLEM OR ELSE?

Braiam

@hichris123 yes sir! just one question sir! what the problem is?

hichris123

@Braiam Uh... hm... uh... can I get back to you on that? :P

user259867

Not worth editing, CVed.

hichris123

15:38

Sorry I still don't know how to continue next step — luke 2 mins ago

^ That's why you don't answer these questions.

AstroCB

15:59

thankyouinadvance, Santa Barbra

27 5

ios swift javascript parse.com jquery html input

user259867

16:20

Wild guess: SQL cluster upgrade on January 6 broke something. — Fundamental 1 min ago

user259867

Feeling data-deprived already.

Braiam

16:37

@Unihedro I wonder... why nobody suggested Pops?

user259867

Does this really qualify to be closed as a typo? It's not a "you typed j instead of i" mistake, but a problem that any other user with the same HTML editor could run into.

user259867

Also, I am biased in favor of keeping it because it's the first (and so far, only) answer by Pekka since March 2014.

Braiam

@Fundamental if you changed the question around "why are my images show only when I don't quote them" or similar it would be ok

I like to think this is one person gradually setting their expectations down to something more realistic http://t.co/eyjuW4jSGB

Tweeted by veryimportant on January 9, 2015 at 4:24 PM

user259867

16:56

I expect a difficulty getting such edits to a closed question past the reviewers. I'll leave this to a 2K user.

user259867

When a question with delete votes is reopened, are the delete votes cleared?

Braiam

no

user259867

This post says yes, but it's from 2011.

user259867

While this is why delete votes are capped at 10, @Lorem as you say it's not a feature request (and the behavior you describe - reopen nullifying delete votes - still exists in any case). Personally, I still think the delete workflow needs some work - bookmarking this for future reference. — Shog9 ♦ Feb 25 '13 at 18:12

user259867

+1 for "the delete workflow needs some work"

user259867

17:04

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hichris123

17:59

This is all recent comments with the text 'downvote' on SO: gist.github.com/hichris1234/abae0ec17a91b88a52ce

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