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16:00
@ProgramFOX Tu amigo bienvenidos! Si tengo una solicitud de cierre de votación se me permite estar de vuelta, guau guau
>>translate auto en Tu amigo bienvenidos! Si tengo una solicitud de cierre de votación se me permite estar de vuelta, guau guau
@ProgramFOX Your friend welcome! If I have a request to close voting I may be back , wow wow
>>translate en es Nice to meet you! See you again sometime!
@Unihedron Encantada de conocerte ! Nos veremos de nuevo algún día!
16:01
@Sompuperoo Encantada de conocerte ! Nos veremos de nuevo algún día!
>>translate auto kn I like to test a bot
@AndrewT. ನಾನು ಒಂದು ಬೋಟ್ ಪರೀಕ್ಷಿಸಲು ಇಷ್ಟ
ok, unicode test passed nothing to do here
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It gets translations from Google Translate.
I figured it out :)
16:26
[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: CLARIFICATION NEEDED REGARDING SURFACE TENSION by Ajith on physics.stackexchange.com
ABORT ALL PACKETS. HE KNOWS!!
16:42
@Unihedron we used to have so much fun ;)
ಠ_ಠ
^ FOX is flaunting his script! bad behavior :P
16:50
>>translate en fr ABORT ALL PACKETS. HE KNOWS!! ಠ_ಠ
It's turned off :P
Aww :/
Bot started.
Okay then.
Here's the bot @Uni @Inf ;)
16:53
@InfiniteHappiness ABORT tous les paquets . IL CONNAIT !! ಠ_ಠ
uhh...
How did it do that???
I didn't trigger it.
>>translate en fr ⊙︿⊙
@Unihedron ⊙︿⊙
Oh well, I shutted it down without making it leave the room, so probably the connection was still open.
@ProgramFOX I think you get a megapacket of all previous existing messages as ev1 when you logon the chat.
16:54
@Unihedron Nope, I don't think you do. But I didn't make it leave the room so probably the connection was still open somehow.
Fix it FOX!!
Eh, if it doesn't leave the room, I cannot fix it in the code.
stern look at @Inf for saying that there's something wrong with me
:O It spoke! gasp
16:57
MWAHAHA++
It's the FOX taking revenge for his bot :P
Nov 30 at 16:43, by ProgramFOX
Nobody insults SmokeDetector without I take revenge.
Nooo, surely not @Inf ;P
!!>var a="mu";[0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0,0].forEach(function(o){a+="ha"});a+"a!!"
@Unihedron No
(that's not a command)
Both the foxes have united against us @uni !
17:00
@FOX9000 Then make it a command! You're a bot, you should know better..
Invalid arguments.
hehe :P
@FOX9000 Valid arguments.
@Unihedron I'm not going to do something eval-like, because security.
17:01
@ProgramFOX ok
> We can't tear out a single page of our life, but we can burn the whole book.
^ Is everything fine @uni ?
@InfiniteHappiness New quote until winter.
Didn't have anything more meaningful, so.
Fine then :)
17:11
@Mooseman !!/isEatingPizza?
@Unihedron Inf convinced me to change my name...
afk
huh? me? when? @Moosemaniseatingpizza
All I can recall is you changed it and announced it like this:
yesterday, by Mooseman
@InfiniteHappiness I updated it on MSE. How long does it take to change here? Thanks
Huh? That convinced you?? ⊙︿⊙
You're just very convincing @InfiniteHappiness
17:21
To eat or not to eat pizza... that is the question
The answer must be yes. Always.
@Inf I'm not saying anything against you... :o
I know @Bart, but I thought my impact will be less on strangers on the internet :P
Then why are you eating the pizza alone @Moosemaniseatingpizza? :P
@InfiniteHappiness @InfiniteHappinessIsEatingPizza?
@Inf !!/isEatingPizza?
inb4 "isEatingPizza?" train...
Rather, "Eating Pizza is Infinite Happiness" :)
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Mooseman is eating pizza is infinite happiness. Sorry logic is broken.
17:26
@InfiniteHappiness so... I have a few different thoughts on this, which can be summed up as "you're not wrong, but it may not matter"
In the example you gave... Given the current state of the question, has harm been done?
No, harm hasn't been done.
Ok, now I can see how it doesn't matter.
Remember, the goal here is to put questions on a path to their most appropriate destination as quickly as possible. We can make mistakes - we just need to do significantly better than the automated systems. Which is still a pretty low bar, albeit one that First Posts struggles to clear.
@Shog9 will there be an "I can edit to fix all the problems" button?
Oftentimes I find a need of that, I just click "needs improvement" and go to the question page to edit..
Contrast with the close queue, where the cost of a mistake can be pretty high.
@Unihedron I'm not against it; I'm never against editing... But I don't want to see it yet.
17:33
Gotcha
My gut feeling is that if we provide an editing option, we'll want it to pull the question out of triage and into... another state. One where we gently beat the editor over the head with the notion that he should be editing the whole damn post and not just fixing code formatting or that one annoying typo.
Hence why I included "all the problems" - though I see your point, extra attention is needed for the editor to be aware of what they're supposed to do
@Shog9 Although almost every question needs some editing. Sooo...
Based on the ones that I reviewed in the Triage (a tiny data set), I don't see it working. The triage outcome doesn't coincide with the actual fate of the questions. The triage reviewers don't seem to be in harmony with the opinion of the community stackoverflow.com/review/triage/6392684
Regardless, I don't particularly want editing to happen in the triage queue itself. Even for a fast editor, editing is a lot slower than clicking a button, and other folks may be waiting on you to finish.
17:38
Maybe 500 rep is too low, they can't know what needs to be closed. 2k is better
I'm also going to rant about how the triage reviewers don't seem to be aware that crap should be dealt with. I wouldn't be against significantly rising the rep limit to access the queue, like 3-5k. 2k
> this question has too many issues and isn't worth fixing
≠ Unsalvageable
> this question requires work
Append "to fix"?
Why no flag dialog?
Why no comment dialog?
"Unsalvageable" needs work too, make them mutually exclusive.
I'd rather have low-rep users triaging and high-rep users in specialized queues where their experience can be put to better use. Or, y'know, answering questions.
@Shog9 Answering? :O
@Shog9 Sure, I'll go answer questions!
user259867
17:40
Answering questions is so 2011.
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gears up RegexBuddy and regex101 and camps [regex]
@bjb568 y'know, that thing people do until they earn 10K and have no more worlds to conquer.
@Shog9 s,10k,20k
… 20k?
whichever
I kinda coasted from 15 to 20
17:40
Hah! I am Unihedron's Sock.
make it 100k, 'cuz you stop getting moar delete votes by then
Is it considered plagiarism to copy a code snippet (but not the whole answer) and post it as another answer?
I forgot when I posted my last answer on SO, and I am only a 3k user :/
@hichris123 not if you attribute it
Wondering if I should flag a post I found...
17:41
@hichris123 yes, please add attribution
@Shog9 It's not.
@hichris123 toss in a link to stackoverflow.com/help/referencing
k, sounds good.
Reputation system breaks down after about 1k. After then all the mod tools get unlocked which has nothing to do with post contributions. Mod tools should be unlocked by modding! It's especially obvious on the high end. 20k users really aren't better than 10k users. Certainly 100k won't make a difference.
@bjb568 inb4 "riot moderation" rant
17:43
The problem is, some users are really good at using the mod tools but really bad at actually understanding the posts they're moderating
But the people who get 20k or gold badges aren't those willing to actually moderate stuff. They're interested in gathering more rep
Some don't have time to answer. Some don't want to. But that doesn't make them a bad mod.
The problem is, lots of users have mod tools but don't use them. They rather watch the crap flow in and pick the ones they like to answer.
@JanDvorak Exactly.
@bjb568 doesn't make them a good one either.
17:44
@Shog9 perhaps helpful flags do?
Frequently, the difference between too broad and good (or at least, duplicate) is knowing something about the topic
@Shog9 But close votes are not granted on per-tag-score basis, but per-reputation.
@Shog9 You know what does make them a good one? Experience. So, for example you should be able to insta-edit when you have enough edits approved (minus 3x edits rejected).
Same for answers. If you don't know what you're looking at, differentiating between highly specialized knowledge and Markov bullshit can be... challenging.
@bjb568 Yeah, no.
17:46
that's why we have a skip button
Think how many people have edited 1 tag and gotten an edit approved.
@hichris123 Obviously we need to fix the robo problem too. Like, harder audits!
@bjb568 Because the CVQ ones aren't hard enough?
@bjb568 gets you half way there. Again though, there's a requirement to have done something else, to have some connection to the actual topic(s)
@Shog9 badges on moderation?
17:47
@bjb568 I really don't think we can ever truly get a perfect audit system. So many borderline cases...
Random thought #1: Random bans revokable only by asking on meta?
Don't get me wrong - I like the concept of earning your way to more privileges by demonstrating competence in the same area. But it only goes so far. At some level, it's really hard to beat "skin in the game" as a check on abuse.
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Q: Prevent minor and invalid edits better

bjb568I'm sick and tired of people repeatedly spamming the edit queue with minor edits. I want to punish the editors and robo-reviewers and prevent some of them from entering the queue in the first place. The audits are too easy It covers the vandalism reject reason, but what about the other ones? A ...

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Q: Rollback button in suggested edits queue

bjb568 This edit was already approved - please visit the post and correct the edit. Why? Can't I have a rollback button on the page? Preferably putting the edit into a mod queue to consider review-banning the robo-reviewers? The extra clicking seems unnecessary.

^ My complaint about the suggested edit queue
@Unihedron My example was for edits…
Random thought #2: Increase moderation vote quotas for users with corresponding moderation badges?
Green - MSE
Red - SO
Yellow - Craft CMS
Blue - Emacs
Thats my rep graph if I would join every site in one day
17:49
Ouch, that went downhill quick: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/278636/…
+1 @Unihedron
+1 @Unihedron
@rene gone
> And given the usefulness of these responses, I'm now out of here. Congratulations folks. – tgm1024 1 min ago
@Shog9 Given that the rep system is kinda borked (sympathy upvoting, +10,-2, no vote confidence scoring (WHERE'S MY META POST THAT GOT ROOMBA'D), etc.) and the high current requirements (like 20k (!)), I don't think that works.
17:50
@rene set himself up for failure really
@hichris123 It can be improved.
@JanDvorak no
Random thought #3: Award moderation tools upon sufficient (i.e. a lot of) Meta participation + sufficient (i.e. even more of) days spent on the site, instead of measuring reputation?
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@Unihedron Agree
@Unihedron +1
@Unihedron Agree
17:52
@Bart sure, but I couldn't find a direct dupe so I thought it was worth an answer...
@Unihedron only positive-voted meta posts should count
@Unihedron lots of Meta participation isn't necessarily a positive thing
@Unihedron +1
@bjb568 score
17:53
@Bart lots of meta upvotes?
Y U IZ SHOUTING?
@Bart By the time you read lots of threads + post lots of well-received content, the metrics has to be falling somewhere...
@Bart If it's positively upvoted tho…
@Bart Yeah, but it shouldn't be.
@JanDvorak meh ... Meta is tricky
Consider users posting on Meta with nice feature requests and bug reports, and upvote discussion threads themselves, that would indicate awareness on the system, blah blah blah
17:54
@bjb568 For all its flaws, relatively few people get past 1-2K without posting something useful.
@Shog9 If they get to 20k, then… what?
any rep >> 20k => rep-whore
They get a smiting stick?
@bjb568 They've stayed on the site for at least a year, and their posts got sufficient views and because of age, posts gets lots of upvotes
@rene you don't get a smiting stick. A smiting stick finds you
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@Unihedron They are a rep whore and have a lot of time to waste here.
And this is whom we hand out moderation
@Unihedron I'm pretty sure I have more meta participation than most of you, and therefore am qualified to speak to its value: it doesn't make you a good moderator.
@Shog9 those upvoted meta posts of yours speak of you being a good mod, though
17:57
@Shog9 What does? Positive meta participation and badges are the two more accurate reflections of your activity on the site / helping the site, in my opinion.
A bad mod won't go on meta and create 20 +5'd posts.
I agree with Shog and Bart about meta participation being irrelevant
@InfiniteHappiness not exactly irrelevant. But not an accurate measure of anything. It shows you're at least interested beyond the parent site. But that's about it.
It may be mostly irrelevant, but it's a data point that can be fed into a "how crappy are you" eval for mods.
@JanDvorak No, they speak of me being... How do I say this without it coming back to haunt me... able to state the obvious without sounding too patronizing.
17:59
...
@Unihedro There's no silver bullet. There rarely is.
nice emphasis on "too" :p
Someone asks for a flag reject explanation => mod explains => community does not like => bam, no more good enough average meta score to be a mod. Pls
Maybe not an average. Maybe a mode or median. Or maybe just n posts above line. Or maybe n posts above line AND mode/median.
18:00
Maybe take a curve like Area51's commitment score. I like that formula.
Or calculate virtual child meta rep and only award mod tools when you have virtual child meta rep over 10- wait, that's what we're trying to avoid...
pats self on the back for avoiding the words "pandering populist blowhard"
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Also, CW score sum could be a useful stat.
count(positive score) && %(positive score)?
@JanDvorak Maybe +2 or +3 instead of just positive, but yeah, that.
Award it based on number of helpful flags, that is a number that doesn't matter anywhere...
18:02
^^^
Then some certain mod will complain about how he doesn't get to decline all the VLQ flags.
@bjb568 Yes, please
did you see the absence of vlq flags on questions @bjb?
18:04
And how some users have an inflated flag count for helping the system by generating LQRQ content that can be handled in a better manner…
@InfiniteHappiness Yes, yes.
How about we just lock users in a room and hurl insults and Nazi references at them. If they snap in any way, they are dismissed.
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@Bart This plan is A++. @Shog let's do it!
@Bart then I would never become a mod
I think Bart has the right idea here
prepares a room for Shog9
18:05
unless disconnecting the internet counts as not snapping
I'M NOT A NAZI YOU NAZI MODERATOR.
The Room is a 2003 independent romantic drama film written, directed, produced by, and starring Tommy Wiseau. The film is primarily centered on the melodramatic love triangle between an amiable banker (Wiseau), his fiancée (Juliette Danielle), and his conflicted best friend (Greg Sestero). A significant portion of the film is dedicated to a series of unrelated subplots involving the friends and family of the main characters. Entertainment Weekly has called The Room "the Citizen Kane of bad movies" and a number of notable publications have labeled it as one of the worst films ever made. Originally...
I'm not a nazi, I'm just a grammar nazi.
@bjb568 Nice, isn't it?
@bjb568 delete --reason="obsolete"
flags bjb's comment as obsolete, then flags his own as a duplicate
18:07
@Unihedro delete --reason="obsolete"
status-declined
flags own comment as obsolete
@bjb568 delete --reason="obsolete"
status-DENIED
status-bjb-never-gets-any-declined-flags
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18:08
@Bart, that reminds me. There is a conversation you could walk away from... meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/278619/…. The post by Cupcake which he is referring to is totally unrelated (I know because I was involved). That is a dead-end conversation you are having there
@InfiniteHappiness there is a reason my last response was an hour ago
Ok, I thought you might go back after the tavern talk is over.. My bad.
Good night!
,,ǝʇǝןosqo,,=uosɐǝɹ-- ǝʇǝןǝp
18:10
Night!
@Unihedro Night!
Wait, is his new name really "Unihedro"?
@InfiniteHappiness I have a world of blocks awaiting me ... far more important
@uni night :)
@ProgramFOX seriously, I thought that too...
18:11
Night
@Frank delete -Rupside-down
is amused that users are confused
Uhoh. Next it'll be Unihed!
@Unihedro is not ever confused
I like your new name @Unihedro, subtle change :)
18:12
@Frank u iz tree
@bjb568 truth
Enough for another while @Inf :)
@bjb568 u suck @ gramer
@JanDvorak ma grammer iz gooder
status-best-grammer
@Unihedro lies
18:13
58 secs ago, by Frank
@bjb568 truth
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The room for @uni and @inf is still valid, despite our new names :D
:D
It took me a while to pick between "Unihedro" and "Unihedrone".
Unihedro is better :)
Did Nordehinu get a new name too?
Don't make me call myself "Jane"!!!
i is bedst at gramarr mor then all u. me is nevr mispell thing or does bad gramme ,
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18:15
I would had named him "Ordehinu" but I'd cry in that case.
@Frank wat?
@JanDvorak I will try not to, Jane.
@Frank frantically rushes to close message as "unclear"
Jane is a nice name @JanDvorak. Jane Austen is one of my favorite authors.
> this chat message appears to be off-topic because you suck at english.
18:17
> this chat message appears to be off-topic because it has nothing to do with stars.
@Frank You are right, your grammar is better than mine. My English annoys everybody :(
*inb4 off-topic astrology-related chat messages
@JanDvorak hay, ites my natev languige. I's grate at uzing it
How long does it take for a name change to propagate to chat?
@bjb568 duplicate of a message posted yesterday
18:18
@bjb568 six to eight seconds
@Frank You better switch to english then
@Unihedro Mine took longer.
6 mins ago, by Jan Dvorak
@Unihedro lies
yesterday, by Infinite Happiness
@Mooseman: It updates at a certain time every hour, approximately 45 minutes from now...
18:19
6 mins ago, by Unihedro
58 secs ago, by Frank
@bjb568 truth
Do it fast @bjb, in the next 10 minutes or so, it will update. It refreshes hourly
@InfiniteHappiness did
ROFL
I love it :D :D
41 secs ago, by Frank
6 mins ago, by Unihedro
58 secs ago, by Frank
@bjb568 truth
18:21
36 secs ago, by bjb568
41 secs ago, by Frank
6 mins ago, by Unihedro
58 secs ago, by Frank
@bjb568 truth
I love it too @bjb568
13 secs ago, by Frank
36 secs ago, by bjb568
41 secs ago, by Frank
6 mins ago, by Unihedro
58 secs ago, by Frank
@bjb568 truth
Onebox Overflow
... I get it
21 secs ago, by Jan Dvorak
13 secs ago, by Frank
36 secs ago, by bjb568
41 secs ago, by Frank
6 mins ago, by Unihedro
58 secs ago, by Frank
@bjb568 truth
18:22
1 min ago, by ProgramFOX
Onebox Overflow
hey
hay
25 secs ago, by Infinite Happiness
1 min ago, by ProgramFOX
Onebox Overflow
14 secs ago, by Jan Dvorak
25 secs ago, by Infinite Happiness
1 min ago, by ProgramFOX
Onebox Overflow
I'm gonna change my name back before it goes on chat...
^ This is what happens when Jan and bjb are in harmony!
@Franklin why?
> Besides being the best tree there is, I have strong allergies to certain cats, ducks, glasses, socks, dogs, owlhead/dodo, peeping eyes, and other items I find myself liable to stumble across.
:O
@bjb568 You... Noticed that just now? :O
18:25
Doesn't mention booby…
I thought that nickname had died out already?
dodo?
But it's awesome.
> dogs, owlhead/ dodo
^ I quoted it from there
:/
walks away from SE and heads home to finally sleep
18:28
@Unihedr Night!
Get home first. Night @Unihedro
@Unihedro Night!
I should lie and change it to say "I have strong affections toward certain ...", and completely freak everyone out.
everybody is pinging uni :(
@Frank inb4 inappropriate profile report on Meta
18:29
Go to facebook @Frank :P
@InfiniteHappiness yeah...
I don't think I could actually make myself type that in there though...
True. I remember that you freaked out one day when one user expressed their affection for you in the tavern @Frank
@InfiniteHappiness I don't recall that
Good. I won't remind you. It was unpleasant.
It's raining here, so I'm of work early, after getting soaked.
18:35
Nice :D
I'm not a fan of long usernames. Having an ellipsis may encourage more people to have long usernames. For example my current username is cVplZ, not close vote please. — Sompuperoo 19 hours ago
^ cVplZ changed his name
@InfiniteHappiness I knew he was gonna
Yes, atleast he does it less frequently as compared to Behaviour
@InfiniteHappiness We need a generic name like George for that guy...
lol
it's too boring for him
true
18:39
Pinky McPinkerton the 3rd?
@Bart tl;dr
Hey, stay away from Pink!
:D
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Q: Shouldn't the questions about Stack Apps be closed as off-topic there?

nicaelToday I have voted to close the question about Stack Apps: The black hole known as Meta Stack Apps. I noticed that everyone who reviewed this question in close votes review left open it. So I wondered, aren't the questions about Stack Apps off-topic there because "pertain to specific site", lik...

Love your new avatar @Sompuperoo <3
18:42
Y me name no update?
@InfiniteHappiness rofl
@Frank It is a dog and has a hat :)
@bjb568 o_O
@bjb568 Yeah, that happened to me when I became Frank.
You never changed back to your real name...:)
@InfiniteHappiness shall I?
why not?
Pseudonyms are fun!
@InfiniteHappiness that's why I named myself Bart. Like that nobody will ever kn.... ah ... crap
lol
I wonder how many times we type lol while we're actually not laughing out loud.
I'm so dishonest
@Frank rofl
18:50
@Bart is even worse,
That's why I named myself Inf, you will know me if we meet IRL @Bart
No one will recognize me, I'll be in disguise... ;)
@InfiniteHappiness the blinding reflection of the sun off of your sharpened beak will be all the information I need ... no name required.
yay
Chat just autoreloaded for me.
bjb568 has
Your name's too long.
18:53
@Bart :D
@Bart Do you have a pair of safety goggles to protect yourself?
Oh wait, you are a pair of goggles...
I mean glasses
Yay @bjb568haschangedhisname
^ Eek! You wrote all the words in English. Where is ur style?

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