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user259867

16:00

@Shog9 Which ones? I added old Gmail account to Area51, and this triggered something.

user259867

Or maybe it was the moderator initiated thing, after yesterday's meta post about me?

user259867

Frankly, I don't care either way: if they get merged, so be it. More rep for me.

Jason C

@JanDvorak It was something super douchey, like "10 minutes and 5 close votes. Check and mate!"

Jan Dvorak

Oh. That wasn't nice.

Shog9

The ones with that email address. No rep; just dups. @raff

user259867

16:03

Then let's not merge.

user259867

I should not have linked that Gmail on area51

Jason C

@Shog9 Has the number of times you've had to explain revenge down-votes decreased yet?

nicael

@InfiniteRecursion Those building are the same ones :) Just in evening.

SPArchaeologist

the head is here! all praise the head (and remember him @Benny alluded to a Twilight Sparkle hat for this year bash)

Shog9

@Rafflesiaarnoldii rejected for now. If you don't want them merged, remove the shared email - otherwise, it'll eventually trigger a merge.

Also note that that's the only valid email on your account, which usually isn't a great idea

@JasonC ^^^ this is all the support I'm doing this week. Unless you count cranberry sauce.

Which I do.

animuson

16:10

ships Shog 100 cans of cranberry sauce - Get to work!

Infinite Recursion

I know @nicael, but blue is so much better. The Duck is also the same, just in the rain with some overhead clouds.

Jason C

Infinite Recursion

look at ani, he is cat-less :(

feature-request remove @JasonC's oneboxing privilege...the gifs hurt our eyes

Jason C

They've got it worse in the den.

If you want I could animate that last one with a rainbow palette cycle.

animuson

Jason is stalking you, Shog! He has a picture of the back of your house!

Infinite Recursion

16:15

The wall is the height of rudeness in a conversation Jason. Have patience.

Jason C

It's not just me, there's a whole crowd of us out here.

Infinite Recursion

Results take time to be visible and conclusive after any change. It's too early to conclude anything from the change.

Jason C

I think you misunderstood the graphic; I was referring to shog's stonewall response.

Infinite Recursion

That's exactly what I inferred from the picture.

Jason C

Word.

animuson

16:21

I have a day completely to myself with no one around. Ah, it's been a while.

Jason C

@animuson IM BORED WHERE DO U LIVE

Infinite Recursion

Go answer this if you are bored :P

0

Q: Equivalent of "Excuse me" for "you're not in my way"?

Is there a quick phrase, like "excuse me", that means "You're not in my way; please don't change this fact"?

vocabulary

SPArchaeologist

2

I propose this

Shog9

Steady as she goes

TGMCians

16:37

status-closed

Jason C

I just ran into some lady standing outside the store holding a stroller with her kid in it and begging for change. My immediate thought was "come on, really?"

Then I questioned my reaction, then I turned around and looked and realized it was a fake baby, and stopped questioning my reaction.

This is why legit beggars don't get my change.

Farhan

Hello Meta.

Q: What is the benefit of reputation on a meta site? How and where is it getting counted?

Bart

Meta sites don't have reputation. Except for MSE

Jason C

^

Farhan

So UpVotes/DownVotes on questions there don't mean anything?

Anna Lear

16:43

And on MSE it works the same way as everywhere else.

Bart

@Farhan not in terms of reputation, no.

Jason C

@Farhan The rep displayed for you on a meta site is your main site rep. Upvotes/downvotes on metas are generally taken to mean "I agree / I disagree" or "I like this / I don't like this". They don't affect reputation though.

Bart

This in addition to the normal reasons for votes. Bad questions still get downvoted. Good ones upvoted

Jason C

Well they don't affect reputation points, I suppose they still affect personal reputation to some.

Farhan

Got it. Thanks guys.

I always love it when I get answers quickly.

Jason C

16:46

And the best place to get answers quickly is a chat room full of bored, grumpy people looking for an excuse to change the subject.

Bart

Jason C

►

Infinite Recursion

can someone please bin those?^^

we aren't so bored yet

Farhan

@JasonC At least you have people. Some places in the world are deserted.

Jason C

@InfiniteRecursion Pictures can be posted, pings can happen. This is how the chat rooms you choose to be in work.

Infinite Recursion

16:53

Which pings are you referring to @JasonC? If Haney acted on those pings, it's again a matter between SE and myself. Noses should be kept out of other people's business. I have had enough discussion about "pings", please.

Jason C

... huh?

Bart

grabs popcorn

Jason C

also grabs popcorn

animuson

Are you guys watching the latest lpapp debate?

Infinite Recursion

Nov 11 at 19:49, by Haney

I'm not defending anybody. I'm enforcing the rules of Stack Exchange which include no harassment.

^next time please read that before you educate me about chatrooms

Jason C

16:57

No I'm just grabbing some popcorn to watch the show while InfiniteRecursion writhes around for a while in a conversation alone.

cVplZ

@InfiniteRecursion <3 ur new pic!

Infinite Recursion

Thanks @cVplZ

cVplZ

@animuson where can we view?

animuson

7

Q: Failed audit - why is this a good question?

I had a review audit on this question, and I said it should be closed because it is primarily opinion-based. The system said that I failed the audit because the question is actually high quality. How can a question that basically says "why don't people implement x" not be opinion-based? How is...

discussion review-audits disputed-review-audits

Jason C

grabs more popcorn

Jeez. grabs a popcorn refill

Bart

17:01

@animuson yay, he's back!

grabs more popcorn

2

animuson

Lol, because saying "this isn't opinion-based" makes it not opinion-based.

2

Oh, oh, oh, it's magic!

I will never understand the people who randomly protect questions just because they can...

Jason C

If we add "It is my opinion that..." to the start of every paragraph in each answer, then at least we can give it fact-based answers.

cVplZ

Should your common sense be pardoned? Not sure what he got suspended for, but it's been 5 months already. Maybe a pardon in time for the holidays?

Infinite Recursion

No please

animuson

@cVplZ That's not gonna happen. He got a lot of chances because of his reputation. And to be fair, this is his second 1-year suspension.

You could probably search MSE and find a bunch of posts mentioning him being rude.

cVplZ

17:11

ok :) I would like to see a pardon though for someone who the higher ups think has been/could be rehabilitated.

Jason C

Hey, how do you guys feel about that IEDC support thing? Do you think it could bring in some interesting questions and answerers?

Bart

@cVplZ search for "Col. Shrapnel" as well

Looong history

IEDC @JasonC?

Jason C

@Bart The ie dev center thing

13 hours ago, by Infinite Recursion

> "The Internet Explorer team is excited to announce that web-development support is moving to Stack Overflow."

Infinite Recursion

Rude hardly describes it, they were literally abusive @cVplZ. I have seen and flagged them, so I don't think he should be pardoned.

Jason C

Also, lol @animuson's "closure kingdom"

animuson

17:15

Two of those reopen votes came from the review queues, from users who likely just saw upvotes and text and went "ooooo Reopen!"

One of them is being... investigated...

TGMCians

@JasonC Ah gone :/

Bart

someone should suspend this animu ... ah, he's here ... nevermind.

TGMCians

hehe

Infinite Recursion

but his cats are missing :(

@Kendra: some of my important and upvoted comments were removed because I criticized an IMHO moderator abuse in here. For me, this is the end of the discussion in here. — lpapp 1 min ago

it's over

animuson

@Bart I wonder what word in there triggered the insta-flag-delete.

Jason C

17:21

@animuson "despotic"

animuson

Oh, he used the word "shitload" I see...

Infinite Recursion

@cVplZ anything after <3 doesn't arrive in the red notification

@cVplZ <3 :D

^check if it's an empty notification

Bart

@animuson whatever it was, it wasn't valuable enough to keep around

Infinite Recursion

All the notifications I get with a <3 are truncated..

animuson

I like how he claims some of his "comments" in plural were removed, when it was just one. He's really good at exaggerating.

Important comments, even.

Infinite Recursion

17:27

> important and upvoted comments

animuson

Upvoted comments on Meta don't really mean much. Anyone can get a comment upvote on Meta. That's like being excited because you have grass.

Frank

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Yeah, that one didn't go too well...

animuson

Not that type of grass. For those of you with naughty minds.

Frank

@Inf you look weird.

Infinite Recursion

Thanks @Frank

Frank

17:29

yup, np

Infinite Recursion

:D

Frank

How's u?

Infinite Recursion

Happy. How's u?

Frank

@InfiniteRecursion good

Jason C

@animuson If there's no grass, play hockey?

By the way: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/250854/…

Your closure kingdom is only #13.

animuson

17:32

Does that count deleted posts, though?

Infinite Recursion

Nice truck, I saw the picture @Frank. Finally you puchased it :)

cVplZ

@InfiniteRecursion I already clicked the notification , so won't receive message notification , maybe you can try later when I'm not on

animuson

I often nuke questions when I close them.

Frank

@InfiniteRecursion thanks

@JasonC Cool!

Infinite Recursion

Check when the others send you hearts @cVplZ, all get truncated

ProgramFOX

17:33

@JasonC What does the query return exactly?

Jason C

@ProgramFOX Number of posts closed by that user (not including deleted, working on that now)

ProgramFOX

@JasonC Oh, cool!

animuson

My close votes tab says I've cast 6,936 close votes in my time.

user259867

@JasonC I don't think the query works correctly with the current format of votes. It shows nothing for me, and I closed thousands of questions.

cVplZ

@JasonC ? not understanding exactly... rene has better query probably

ProgramFOX

17:35

@JasonC Do you have to be the last close voter?

Jason C

It's not close votes.

animuson

I think his query looks at closure notices and finds which ones have your name in them.

Jason C

It's posts closed, e.g. animuson here: stackoverflow.com/questions/13120669/…

ProgramFOX

@JasonC Isn't that the same as being the last close voter?

(not in case of mods of course)

Jason C

@ProgramFOX No, like when a mod walks in and closes a post. I don't really know how it works on the mod side.

ProgramFOX

17:37

@JasonC There are many non-mods on that list and they cannot insta-close a post, unless you are the 5th voter.

animuson

We close the post like any other user. Ours is just binding.

cVplZ

like this data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/202555/… ?

Jason C

Then maybe it is last close voter.

cVplZ

I think that counts when just last vote, not necessarily 5th ^

Frank

@Rafflesiaarnoldii You haven't changed your name for some time.

Jason C

17:38

It's not the last close voter.

Frank

Neither have you @cVplZ.

Jason C

Actually now I'm a little confused. So in e.g. cvPlz's query it, as expected, shows all the posts I was the last cv on.

But if I look at my query (PostHistory, where PostHistoryTypeId = 10), it's all the sort of "unilateral" pre-vote actions that I took. Like my dupe hammers.

cVplZ

@JasonC yea it is , look at animuson's data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/202555/…

user259867

Here are the recent closures in the PostHistory table‌. Note that UsedId is usually -1. Voters are listed separately, in a format that's next to impossible to parse with SQL.

Jason C

@cVplZ No I mean mine is not the last close voter.

ProgramFOX

17:40

I don't think your query works @JasonC. I was the last close voter on at least one PPCG post but it doesn't show me in the PPCG list.

Jason C

Mine is, for reasons I don't comprehend, posts that were closed by a binding vote.

cVplZ

but animuson, only 1583?

Jason C

@ProgramFOX No, mine is not the last close voter.

Mine was intended to show binding votes, and it does, but I don't actually know why it does.

ProgramFOX

@JasonC But... non-mods cannot cast binding votes.

user259867

@ProgramFOX Dupehammer

Jason C

17:41

@ProgramFOX Sure they can, like when I use my gold badge to dupe hammer a question.

ProgramFOX

oh right

Frank

I want a query hat shows me which posts I cast the first cv on.

Jason C

I was looking for binding votes in that query and it worked as intended. I think. I'm just intrigued now to learn that PostHistory seems to show the binding votes only.

@Frank You can probably modify cvplz's to do that.

user259867

@JasonC It shows all votes, in the Text column. (And the binding dupehammer is annotated there).

cVplZ

@Frank data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/202556/…

Jason C

17:45

Goddammit

The stupid sede graph is crushing my browser again.

10

Q: Ability to disable SEDE plot for a query link, before the query is run

The Problem This request is to address Data Explorer page keeps freezing Chrome and Firefox. There is an issue now where large queries that result in complex plots can bring the browser to a grinding halt when plotting the query, thus leaving the query unviewable and uneditable - even for queri...

feature-request data-explorer

^ Shameless plug

cVplZ

Highest mod with most binding close votes I've found so far is Robert Harvey with 5270 Shog, bluefeet, animuson, Flexo are in the 1000's

user259867

@JasonC There's a checkbox "Text-only results".

Frank

I only cast 61 cvs on GL.

Jason C

@Rafflesiaarnoldii Yeah I had to rebuild my query. Text-only results not always sufficient, see description.

Infinite Recursion

@cVplZ: because they nuke the posts. Deleted posts don't reflect on SEDE

Frank

17:48

50 of them were 1st cvs

cVplZ

@InfiniteRecursion oh right

animuson

If anyone is interested, Amazon currently has Watch_Dogs PS4 or Xbox One for $29.99 on Lightning Deal.

cVplZ

@JasonC i don't think this could be right data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/250867/… , community has to have tens of thousands of deleted posts not just 500

Jason C

@cVplZ Wait how did you get that query

I copy + pasted it into a new window instead of forking it, I thought

cVplZ

oh, just saw it in recent tab

Jason C

17:53

Anyways that one's not ready for public consumption, I'm looking into that now.

Oh lol

animuson

I was actually confused why Community was in the list. Afaik the Community user doesn't close questions? How has it closed almost 300,000?

user259867

@cVplZ You get only those that were subsequently undeleted; this is why they are in SEDE.

Infinite Recursion

Everyone is busy with SEDE, trying to find your closure kingdom @animuson, they aren't interested.

user259867

@animuson If there is no binding vote, UserId is set to -1. The voters are listed in the Text column.

Jason C

I'm getting things that don't make sense.

Consider data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/250868

animuson

17:54

Ah, that actually makes sense now that I think about how they're displayed in the timeline.

Jason C

Why is stackoverflow.com/questions/7825753/… in the above query?

Ohhhhh is it because the answer was deleted then undeleted by animuson (who also wrote it)?

user259867

^ yes, that

Jason C

I don't think questions that are currently in a deleted state show up in PostHistory.

user259867

They are not in SEDE at all, including PostHistory

Jason C

Yeah

So the deleted thing isn't possible, the best I can do is add deleted then undeleted questions to the count.

animuson

17:56

That's me. Even back in the day, I was doing things just to throw you off my trail way in the future. Take that!

2

Jason C

Lol

That's actually my conspiracy theory about stonehenge and the pyramids too. They served no purpose other than to troll people a few thousand years later.

That's what I would have done at least.

So yeah that query's the best you get. You're the 13th most despotic close monarch, @animuson. Shape up or ship out.

Not even a bronze.

Shog9

No, I'm sure they were trolling people at the time too. That's the mark of a really successful troll: it keeps working long after the intended audience is dead.

Jason C

Indeed, ancient troll heroes.

animuson

"Hey guys! You really wanna mess with people? Let's build a pyramid!"

If all the moderators ever get together, we are so gonna build a human pyramid. You all will suffer!

Jason C

Archaeologists recently uncover 4500 year old stone in pyramids with the inscription, "PWNED"

MysticMagic

18:04

@InfiniteRecursion Got your message.. Thanks :)

Jason C

Reference to Hitler dated 12000BC discovered as earliest known occurrence of Godwin's Law.

@cVplZ data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/250867/… excludes answers, shows as much as possible in database.

MysticMagic

And I like this cute bird, too :) @InfiniteRecursion see you tomorrow. :) night..

TGMCians

night!

ProgramFOX

Night!

SilentKiller

@ProgramFOX hiya

ProgramFOX

18:16

@SilentKiller Hiya!

Jason C

Yo

SilentKiller

oY

Jason C

yO

SilentKiller

Oy

Jason C

CORRECT.

SilentKiller

18:18

now?

Jason C

now.

SilentKiller

won

TGMCians

@ProgramFOX hey fox!!

Jason C

wow

ProgramFOX

Everybody saying hi to me, while I was already here for a hour...

Jason C

18:20

@ProgramFOX <sub>hey</sub>

ProgramFOX

@JasonC -1 shouting

:P

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SEVEN - NINE= EIGHT by satwik satapathy on math.stackexchange.com

Jason C

Aw

SilentKiller

@ProgramFOX me entered just a several min ago ;)

ProgramFOX

@SilentKiller Message fixed ;)

@SmokeDetector Your - Math = Wrong

Jason C

18:21

@SmokeDetector Er, is that kind of stuff OK at math?

"Somebody asked me to solve a questionably math-related puzzle. Solve it for me now thanks."

Bart

18:34

@mikeyjk: except that your question is not on topic on Stack Overflow and should be burnt. — lpapp 30 mins ago

Not vindictive at all, is he? :D

user259867

@JasonC According to some, it is. Not according to me.

rene

@Bart don't use words I have to google first... TIL

Bart

You're welcome @rene

Infinite Recursion

Thanks @MysticMagic :)

ProgramFOX

@rene wraakzuchtig

rene

18:38

@Bart I might us it as my win-word in the Den....

@ProgramFOX Tnx

Jason C

@rene "Vindictive"'s got nothing on "boobs" and "farts".

Bart

Ooh, the mod who deleted those comments might have revealed a bug :)

rene

@JasonC those make me wraakzuchtig...

well... not sure about the boobs...

Bart

Someone should get rid of that Community bastard @JasonC

Hobo Sapiens

19:13

Off-topic stackoverflow.com/q/23925377/1864610

TGMCians

ping @rene!

waiting for cv queue stuff in so-close-vote-reviewers room

bjb568

\o/ 98 on photosythesis test

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] All-caps title: SEVEN - NINE= EIGHT by satwik satapathy on math.stackexchange.com

Bart

Congratulations, you're now officially a plant @bjb568

4

bjb568

And yay! Thanksgiving. Oh FSM, now have to endure relatives.

animuson

19:27

I earned an Announcer badge on MSE? Interesting...

Jason C

cv-pls stackoverflow.com/questions/27134717/…

I think the slowing down part is the line: n = targetDataLine.read(tempBuffer, 0, tempBuffer.length); Java isn't quite good and fast at getting data from the system. I guess because of the virtual machine architecture. — AliceInChains 8 mins ago

facepalm

@Rafflesiaarnoldii I gotta say, though, that Haskell answer is kinda cool.

bjb568

reddit.com/r/funny/comments/2ndnpo/…

rene

19:51

@TGMCians sure... we have started...

TGMCians

yeah

Mooseman

bug meta.stackexchange.com/q/244138/202832

0

Q: Expand reputation change event when clicking date, not just arrow

Steps to reproduce: Open the reputation on a profile (Such as mine) Click on the date next to the arrow. The details aren't expanded, even though the td. If you click the arrow, the details are toggled as expected. I think the click function should be bound to the parent td rather than the ar...

bug reputation profile-page user-interface

Jason C

@Mooseman Is that more of a feature-request?

Mooseman

@JasonC I don't think so, seeing as "the td has cursor:pointer."

Jason C

@Mooseman Ah, I see the cursor:pointer edit. Your first revision missed that.

Mooseman

19:56

@JasonC Correct

Jason C

I think the whole site should have cursor:pointer just to drive everybody mad.

Mooseman

cursor:none

Jason C

Or progress, lol.

Mooseman

Anything the spec gives us. let the evil laughs commence (The spec includes a demo, if you scroll down)

3

Q: Expand reputation change event when clicking date, not just arrow

Steps to reproduce: Open the reputation on a profile (Such as mine) Click on the date next to the arrow. The details aren't expanded, even though the td has cursor:pointer. If you click the arrow, the details are toggled as expected. I think the click function should be bound to the parent td...

bug reputation profile-page user-interface

bjb568

20:18

blog.stackoverflow.com/2014/11/…

animuson

I just noticed that super-compiler question had a whole bunch of review audits on it and a further look reveals a lot of people clicking No Action Needed almost exclusively in review.

Mooseman

@bjb568 Me thinks it's even more random than this tavern

Bart

I guess it's not obviously bad @animuson

animuson

@Bart I'm just commenting on how it accumulated a bunch of really bad reviewers. Every single one of these people ended up automatically review banned by the system at some point after "passing" that audit.

Bart

Hah, okay

Jason C

20:30

Maybe it would be good to move it to programmers?

animuson

This guy - ugh - his reviews are just... Wtf...

Jason C

Heh, if most people that fail that audit don't end up review banned later, they could just leave it and pre-emptively review ban everybody that passes it.

TGMCians

hmm good night!!

Bart

Good night

Mooseman

Good night

nicael

20:39

@Mooseman Btw, started to think that my answer is... simply unneeded. I'll delete it.

Jan Dvorak

SPAM travel.stackexchange.com/questions/39041/…

Mooseman

@nicael Up to you :)

rene

0

Q: Recent deleted answer doesn't show up in my profile

Yesterday I deleted this perfect answer because we wanted to shut-up a bot. That plan worked. What I find strange is that in my profile/recently delete answers the link to that answer is not present. Should I blame caching or is there another reason that the deleted answer didn't make it ont...

bug deleted-answers

user259867

Are you sure it's not 60 days old?

rene

@ShadowWizard please make sure I'm not losing more rep due to me having to ask stupid questions on MSE....

@Rafflesiaarnoldii yep, 100%

Jan Dvorak

20:41

spam at -2

rene

@Rafflesiaarnoldii unless they use a 6-8 calendar....

animuson

@rene 60 days past September 11 (when you posted it) is around November 11...

It's November 25 now.

rene

60 days is for the creationdae of the post

not the actual creationdate in the posthistory of the delete event?

user259867

@Undo Should SmokeDetector also check for email in the title? (There are ready-made regexes for that). Missed title: "BUY TOP QUALITY NOVELTY PASSPORTS, DRIVER LICENCE, IDS, ([email protected])"

user259867

@rene It's from the creation of the post, not from its deletion.

user259867

20:44

Which is why it's "recent deleted answers" and not "recently deleted answers".

Jan Dvorak

Just went from -4 to -5. Accepting last flags!

gone

rene

@Rafflesiaarnoldii I got it ....

user259867

Documented here: "currently limited to those posted in the past 60 days.". I proposed to extend it to all answers once upon a time...

user259867

By the way, this ^ is an "experiment" running for year and a half by now...

Jan Dvorak

too promotional? meta.stackexchange.com/a/244143/194047

Anna Lear

20:49

@Rafflesiaarnoldii it was an experiment in the "if this causes problems, we'll pull it" kind of sense. since it didn't all that much, we left it in.

@JanDvorak nope, perfectly fine. exactly what meta's for :)

user259867

I was hoping for "if it works well in limited form, we'll extend it" @AnnaLear

Anna Lear

@JanDvorak that's the same link as your "too promotional?"

not sure if ~~intentional~~ trolling ;)

Jan Dvorak

oops...

offensive? superuser.com/questions/844994/…

user259867

@JanDvorak Can be easily edited into shape.

Jan Dvorak

@Rafflesiaarnoldii What is the actual question there? What I see is a rant.

Jason C

20:56

@JanDvorak review superuser.com/review/suggested-edits/313175

Jamal

@JanDvorak Yeah, SU! You all should be ashamed of yourselves for screwing this up!

user259867

Changing the default spacing in Word, I suppose. My edit was blocked by another suggested edit.

Jan Dvorak

OK... the first sentence can be parsed as a question... assuming "2003" is a style (umm...)

Jason C

It's really not hard to edit that one...

user259867

Let's linespace like it's 2003! ... no, doesn't flow.

Jason C

20:57

It contains two sentences. Both end in question marks. The second is unanswerable. Therefore, question is the first. The end.

Not that it's not a crappy question.

bjb568

VLQ'd

rene

@JanDvorak No, he means that he want to use the normal.dot from Office 2003 to be the default in his current office 2013 normal.dotx

Anna Lear

Yeah, subpar question but calling it offensive is a hell of a stretch here.

Jan Dvorak

uhhhh... can you edit that in @rene?

Bart

What where who how?

Jan Dvorak

20:59

Would VLQ have been appropriate?

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