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Michael Mrozek

@balpha Yay!

rchern

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael Mrozek

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A: Public beta period has officially expired! So, what now?

almost there fellas....

mmyers

Congratulations!

radp

grats!

mmyers

7:02 PM

Aaand that's the end of accessing webapps.SE from work. (Not that I ever did, anyway.)

radp

I don't really like those voting arrows, but anyway.

mmyers

Can we get a screenshot here? I'd like to see the new look.

rchern

sure, sec

Cawas

@TheUnhandledException oh sorry! never pictured that could happen. animated gifs are the oldest thing on internet.

radp

@rchern Congratulations, now nobody can vote to close anymore. Have fun!

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7:07 PM

@Cawas I wouldn't have thought so either

radp

I can't believe the SO team allowed that to happen, but that's what it is.

Not like I didn't call for it :)

mmyers

@rchern: Looks nice. I'm going to assume the stripes in the header are just compression artifacts?

Michael Mrozek

@radp Oh, they did push the rep limits back to normal. I figured they were going to delay that

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Hahaha

Should be interesting

How does it work if you propose a SE site which gets implemented? Do you automatically become a diamond mod for proposing the site?

Michael Mrozek

@TheUnhandledException On SE 1 sites you did (♦♦, in fact); on SE 2 sites you don't, it's done through nominations

radp

7:10 PM

Until GoodEnough gets 1,065 more rep, NTI just cannot vote questions closed.

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@MichaelMrozek Ah, OK. And SE 1 sites are no longer available for purchase right?

Michael Mrozek

Right

radp

You better nominate many mods :)

rchern

@mmyers, click on the image for a full view

Michael Mrozek

@rchern It looks weird on my screen too, even in the full view. The actual site looks right though, so it must be something about the screenshot

rchern

7:12 PM

Oh. I just used windows Snipping Tool.

shrugs

mmyers

Yeah, I was looking at the full-size view.

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@rchern using any windows tool, there's your problem

"Life without walls"... so, why do I need windows then?

radp

@TheUnhandledException It's just a huge window

where the glass is made of unicorn farts

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@radp Isn't that known as "the outdoors"?

@radp LOL, nice edit

Michael Mrozek

@rchern That's a pretty epic number of links at the top, I just noticed that

rchern

7:15 PM

hehe

radp

In other news

Gobierno declara estado de Excepción #Ecuador #30S

Tweeted by Presidencia_Ec on September 30, 2010 at 6:37 PM

↑ Governments use twitter to announce stuff.

(At least I'm glad that isn't Facebook. Just imagine how weird it'd be to "like" that.)

Michael Mrozek

I googled "ecuador state of emergency" -- it's depressing how many results I found

May 2010, Oct 2009, Feb 2008, ...

radp

@MichaelMrozek Click more and pick latest :)

Chacha102

whats happening?

Michael Mrozek

An attempted coup, apparently

Fosco

7:28 PM

peru closed their border, encourages columbia to do the same..

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yikes

ChrisF

Forgotten my OpenID password - can't log back in....

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@ChrisF UG

Can anyone confirm this is a SE 1.0 site? answers.splunk.com

ChrisF

@TheUnhandledException - if I used the same password everywhere it wouldn't be a problem - but then I'd have other problem ;)

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@ChrisF No forgot password system with your OpenID provider?

rchern

7:32 PM

@TheUnhandledException, I see <meta name="generator" content="StackExchange 0.9 (20100413135304-37b86aed49ad)">

ChrisF

Oh - yes - but then I'd have to reregister on my work computer and the upstairs one & I'd forget again and so it goes on

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@rchern Thanks! I didn't even think to check that, didn't know SE put a given meta in

ChrisF

Ha - remembered it!

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/me cheers

Sathya

answers.splunk.com --> requires custom login

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7:34 PM

@Sathya Yeah, I saw that

I was sending that as an answer to a pricing question on ServerFault chat... I almost went into a recursive loop, LOL

Sathya

You can actually see the openID login URL text box

which gets cloaked

and then redirected to the custom login

ChrisF

Just got to get answering some questions on web apps, sorry - nothing to install so I have close rights when I stop being a moderator ;)

Lance Roberts

@ChrisF, I'd like to get more rep there so I could edit.

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@ChrisF I want to but my OpenID provider is down! >:o

Michael Mrozek

@LanceRoberts It's massively frustrating not being able to edit on all the SE sites

ChrisF

7:42 PM

@TheUnhandledException I use MyOpenID - seems to work pretty much all of the time (famous last words)

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@ChrisF I use Verisign, only had 2 issues (this one included)

My sockpuppet uses MyOpenID

ChrisF

@LanceRoberts Well I need to get another 400 for normal edit rights and 1400 for close rights, the closer I can get to these by the time moderator elections come round the happier I'll be

Michael Mrozek

@ChrisF Just tell them you're not stepping down without a fight, and suspend nothingtoinstall.com/users/7/jeff-atwood

ChrisF

@MichaelMrozek I'd like to see someone try ;)

If I don't get nominated or elected it's no big deal - it's nice being able to see all posts, but I miss being able to vote to close without it being immediate

C. Ross

@ChrisF Gosh, ain't that the truth

Michael Mrozek

7:52 PM

We've closed like 10 posts total on Unix, so I don't particularly miss it :). We're kind of ridiculously problem-free, it's making me nervous

rchern

For retweet-y goodness if anyone is so inclined: twitter.com/Nothing2Install/status/26006743032 (;

C. Ross

@MichaelMrozek It makes sense; Unix users are traditionally involved in online communication; usenet, etc

John the Seagull

May I add my voice to the disliking of the design of n2i?

radp

To be honest people had quite some time to preview the design on the sites' meta

sure, screenshots don't tell the full story

John the Seagull

Main problem for me is that I can't keep up with all the sites that interest me

And I can't even hope to keep up with the sites that interest me AND their meta sites

ChrisF

8:01 PM

@JohntheSeagull Indeed - and it'll only get worse as more sites are added

radp

Well, I'm linking to the Gaming design so you can give feedback before it's too late then ;)

(the only final thing about that title is that it's going to be different)

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Q: Design Ideas for Gaming Site (updated with screenshots v2)

Hi all. I'm Jin and I'll be working on the designs for the Stack Exchange sites as they graduate from the beta phase. Each site will have its own unique theme that will reflects its topic. However, all sites will share quite a bit of common elements so they feel like they're part of the Stack Exc...

John the Seagull

@ChrisF sad but true. Let's see what the geniuses come up with?

ChrisF

@JohntheSeagull Well there's the plan to merge half the sites with Programmers ;)

Fosco

re: gaming site's retro look:: meh.

ChrisF

@JohntheSeagull Now we'll get the howls of protest from people saying either they prefer the sketchy design

Oo - founder badges should start appearing on Area 51 soon - area51.stackexchange.com/badges/204/founder

"Participated in the definition, commitment, and beta phases of a successful site."

John the Seagull

8:09 PM

So how was thatonelevel.com finally decided?

radp

@JohntheSeagull it wasn't

it was the best name when the mockups were made

we still don't have a name

ChrisF

I haven't paid much attention to that discussion - is it still going on?

John the Seagull

I like this design a lot more than the other one. I have one suggestion though. I'll put it on the meta thread

radp

@ChrisF I have mainly given up on tracking it

it's really disgusting to see top answers wave up and down between -1 and 4

ChrisF

@radp That's one reason I gave up too - all the suggestions just seemed to be down-voted for the hell of it

Cawas

8:17 PM

continuing the random pictures with a random link:

maps.google.com/…

google street view with a dead corpse o_O

John the Seagull

Maybe he's just napping over bloody pee

Cawas

or maybe someone cut him with a chainsaw

John the Seagull

Although it seems likely he was ran over

Welbog is Jin the designer???

radp

@JohntheSeagull No

Their gravatars are similar but different.

John the Seagull

yes, went to check it

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8:29 PM

@radp I love it:

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Q: Add a character palette to the editor

A small character palette in the sidebar would go a long way to bringing more Unicode awesomeness to StackExchange. I for one am tired of typing -- in place of an em-dash — and we live in 2010, for balpha's sake. Some SE sites would need this more than other. For example, I can see English makin...

feature-request editor unicode

ChrisF

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Q: Will an option to migrate to Nothing To Install be added to Super User's Close dialog?

The title says it all really. Now that Nothing To Install is live, will it be added to the close dialog?

feature-request close-reasons

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@ChrisF +1, it should be!

Michael Mrozek

@ChrisF You lost no time with that one :). I'm sure it will be, but last I heard they're still implementing the new migration system

ChrisF

It's not as if the go live date snuck up on them is it?

Michael Mrozek

Well no, but being told "you have n days to finish this" doesn't mean they'll actually get it done in n days

I have no idea what the progress is, but I tried to get migration between Unix and Ubuntu added while we were still in beta and was told they haven't finished implementing the feature yet

ChrisF

8:42 PM

I know - my tongue was in my cheek (slightly)

radp

Michael Mrozek

Wow, that's a massive number of downvotes

C. Ross

People like downvoting on meta

radp

The total is 719/-732

@CRoss Especially when it costs nothing :)

rchern

o: where'd you get that image from?

radp

8:43 PM

@rchern data from posts/{id}/timeline

rchern

ah, manually created?

radp

Yeah.

(Yes, on July 15th the bars overlap by one unit.)

Michael Mrozek

I like it. The extent of my graphical capabilities is the chart I made in Chat feedback

radp

@MichaelMrozek It's just a few "clever" settings, a stock style and the Ubuntu font just because :)

rchern

I knew the timeline existed, just didn't recall a graph there (:

one less beta icon!

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8:51 PM

@rchern YEY!

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9:03 PM

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Q: Login via Verisign PIP OpenID not working

The actual Versign web page for PIP appears to be down: https://pip.verisignlabs.com/. Does anyone know if this service is going away from Verisign? Or is the Verisign site down?

support openid login-problem

Anyone else know why Verisign PIP is down?

John the Seagull

9:16 PM

Because Verisign is EVIL

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LOL

radp

9:53 PM

How far can you go?

John the Seagull

In what timeframe and with which means of transportation?

radp

@JohntheSeagull nasm

Michael Mrozek

@radp I love that story

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At firs I though it was going to be the 500 mile email story

Michael Mrozek

10:08 PM

I used to love that story, before Reddit decided to share it and the story of Mel with me several thousand times

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I still love that story, overused as it may be :-)

radp

so, is there any Unicode character you'd love to use more often in your answers that isn't one of the following?

 ┌─┬┐ αµ ~∀ ±−  ↖↑↗ ≤≥
 │┼├┤ βϱ `∃ ×² – ←⇔→ ⇐⇒
 └─┴┘ πω ¬∊ ÷³ — ↙↓↘ ⊂⊃

 and \forall makes the above not align properly on my monitor :/

(the first block of not immediately useful characters is for <pre> tables)

John the Seagull

care to point to the story for us uninformed?

radp

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Q: Add a character palette to the editor

A small character palette in the sidebar would go a long way to bringing more Unicode awesomeness to StackExchange. I for one am tired of typing -- in place of an em-dash — and we live in 2010, for balpha's sake. Some SE sites would need this more than other. For example, I can see English makin...

feature-request editor unicode

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@JohntheSeagull Which story?

John the Seagull

10:15 PM

How far can you go?

radp

@JohntheSeagull have you tried clicking on the link? :)

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It was a link: muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html

radp

I for one just wouldn't have started that journey down teensy line at all.

ChrisF

I'm off

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Later @Chris!

Emtucifor

10:21 PM

@radp type alt-0151 on your keypad to get an em dash —

0150 for an en dash. –

0149 for a bullet •

radp

Windows only, @Emtucifor

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Mac is Option-8 for a bullet

rchern

step 1: switch to windows?

Emtucifor

0147, 0148 “”

rchern

:D

Emtucifor

10:22 PM

that IS windows

I'm on Windows XP right now.

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Wëëëëëë

Wow, this place just started hopping :-)

rchern

@Emtucifor, yeah, but @radp was pointing out it isn't a cross-os solution.

Emtucifor

hold down Alt, then on the numeric keypad (not the top row numbers) type 0151.

then let go of alt.

Oh, I understand, sorry.

I understood it backwards. :)

rchern

oh wait, i mean

Ɋ:

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@rchern HA!

Emtucifor

10:23 PM

how about allowing certain accent characters to be entered as two inputs, like in MS Word and Yahoo Messenger?

Such as you press Ctrl-' and press e and you'll get an e with an acute accent.

or ctrl-shift-; then u to get u with an umlaut

radp

Those are dead keys, again keyboard layout specific.

Emtucifor

dead keys?

radp

Some keyboards, like the German, have those.

Emtucifor

so some keyboards don't have a semicolon?

radp

Dead key

A dead key is a special kind of a modifier key on a typewriter or computer keyboard that is typically used to attach a specific diacritic to a base letter. The dead key does not generate a (complete) character by itself but modifies the character generated by the key struck immediately after. That way you do not need a dedicated key for each possible combination of a diacritic and a letter, but only one dead key for each diacritic, in addition to the normal base letter keys. For example, if a keyboard has a dead key for the grave accent (`), the French character à can be generated by firs...

no, ctrl-' + letter to get the letter with an acute accent would be a dead key combination.

Michael Mrozek

10:26 PM

@Emtucifor That seems like it should be the OSes job. Like:

rchern

i gotta commit alt+0586 to memory

Michael Mrozek

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A: How do I put a hat on 'e' (ê)?

Press Ctrl+Shift+U and an underlined U will appear. Next to it type in EA, which equals ê. Found the info here

rchern

oooo hrm that code doesn't work here though.

J i don't want a J!

Emtucifor

J

radp

Besides none of those gets me a nice, cuddly →

rchern

10:28 PM

fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/…

Emtucifor

I suppose you're right, it should be the OS's job.

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@MichaelMrozek LOL, a hat :-)

Emtucifor

In the meantime, why not support it through javascript, and do it without changing the keyboard layout?

Shog9

want a sombrero

rchern

google.com/search?q=0x00e8+in+decimal

radp

10:28 PM

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Q: Add a character palette to the editor

A small character palette in the sidebar would go a long way to bringing more Unicode awesomeness to StackExchange. I for one am tired of typing -- in place of an em-dash — and we live in 2010, for balpha's sake. Some SE sites would need this more than other. For example, I can see English makin...

feature-request editor unicode

rchern

hmmm, works in chrome's omnibox but nowhere else?

now i'm sad

Michael Mrozek

I'm really surprised how popular that proposal is; adding individual character pallete boxes to every website seems terrible. Your OS should have that capability and if it doesn't you should get a program that adds it automatically

Making every website implement it separately is completely backwards

radp

@MichaelMrozek please note I didn't propose accented letters and the such

Michael Mrozek

@radp It doesn't seem like there should be a difference

rchern

greeeeeeaaaaaat. /questions is broken on NTI ):

Michael Mrozek

10:31 PM

@rchern Aren't you some sort of important person there? Fix it

FIX IT

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LOL

rchern

):

Michael Mrozek

I use /questions pretty much exclusively, so that'd be sad times for me if I followed WA^H^H NTI regularly

rchern

ditto. all of my bookmarks are for /questions

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I wish I could log in...

radp

10:32 PM

@MichaelMrozek by the way I'm using a custom keyboard layout to have some more unicode awesomeness at my fingertips (including arrows)

AND THAT STILL ISN'T ENOUGH UNICODE AWESOMENESS. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH UNICODE AWESOMENESS INDEED.

Michael Mrozek

@radp That seems like how it should be

Shog9

fun stuff...

odata.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/q/11946/…

eh, balpha, no onebox for odata either?

Sathya

notironic.com

Shog9

spoons when you need a knife? Still ironic.

Sathya

how is that ironic ?

radp

10:36 PM

@TheUnhandledException I prefer this:

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@radp Is that Gaming's oopsie image?

That's awesome

radp

It should be. (@jin)

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@radp Are you posting a question on meta or should I? :-)

Michael Mrozek

I'd definitely upvote that, that one is perfect

radp

Feel free to steal this one for Programmers, btw

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A: What should the 404 image be for the site?

Page Not Found We're sorry, we couldn't find the page you requested. However, we did find the release date for Duke Nukem: Forever.

@MichaelMrozek Not so perfect, Ms Pac Man on the wrong side of the killscreen could get us into hot legal ground...

Michael Mrozek

10:39 PM

@radp The killscreen has been printed pretty much everywhere, so I assume it's fair use

File:Split Screen in Pac Man.gif

Description A screenshot of level 256, otherwise known as the "Split-Screen Level", in Pac-Man. Fair use in Pac-Man Though this image is subject to copyright, its use is covered by the U.S. fair use laws because: # Namco has released no such images into the public domain, and a replacement image could not be created that would adequately provide the same information. # The image is being used for no purpose other than to identify the subject of the article. # The image resolution has been significantly decreased from the original, so copies made from it would be of inferior quality. # Th...

mmyers

@radp Then what do you do if DNF makes schedule next spring?

radp

@mmyers Switch to Half Life 2: Episode Three

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Q: The site should use a Killscreen image for the error pages

As badp proposed in chat, this site should use a killscreen image for any error pages:

feature-request error-page

radp

and proceed from vaporware to vaporware

Michael Mrozek

(also, on a pacman but not 404-page-related note, this is an extremely interesting breakdown of the game)

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10:42 PM

Thanks for the edits @radp

Michael Mrozek

@TheUnhandledException Why did you post it separately? There's already a 404 suggestions post

radp

@MichaelMrozek That's a 500 Internal Error suggestion.

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@radp I will edit again

Michael Mrozek

@radp Oh. It should probably say that somewhere then, I didn't even know there were custom images for that page

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@MichaelMrozek I just clarified

Sorry for confusion

radp

10:44 PM

@MichaelMrozek workin on ur problemz?

Michael Mrozek

@radp Yeah, but I hadn't seen any betas propose custom images for it yet, I figured it was just going to be left a lolcat or whatever

mmyers

area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/21841/…

Michael Mrozek

If you're allowed to choose custom 500 images you should probably format the post like the 404 post; "What should our error image be?" instead of "Our error image should be this"

mmyers

↑ In case anyone's spoiling for a good fight.

radp

@MichaelMrozek Others can post competing answers

Michael Mrozek

10:47 PM

@mmyers I pretty much auto-ignore any post/comment/etc. that at any point utters the phrase "what about democracy?"

radp

@mmyers Here, have a ↑

Michael Mrozek

@radp And it doesn't seem a little unfair to have one of the answers be in the question itself?

It's like posting a moderator nomination question with the body "I should be a moderator"

Emtucifor

Bye. Have fun storming the castle. Here's a happy goodbye omega for you: Ω

mmyers

@radp Thanks, I love arrows. And slings.

radp

@MichaelMrozek feature-request usually have the request itself in the question body. This one is not different.

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