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Chacha102

12:51 AM

demandprogress.org/blacklist

Moshe

3:50 AM

Anyone here?

rchern

no (;

Moshe

Okay, then I'm out :p

Seriously, i need some help setting up the android sdk

Yi Jiang

What? What did I miss? Oh...

rchern

erm, post on SO?

Moshe

I did, but that will take too long

I've got a bunch of small issues and edit edit editing a question is messy and slower than here

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

3:52 AM

it's around midnight in North America, not sure you will get help fast :/

Moshe

If anyone here can help, I'd appreciate it

Right, I'm in North america now

and it depends on your timezone

in LA it's only around 9-10pm

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

ya, but I think most of the population of SO is from N-A

and it's past office hour

Moshe

so SO is made up of peoples lunch break?

nevermind

Can you help me?

Yi Jiang

It's noon in East Asia, so maybe it is lunch break people here

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

Never used the Android SDK, can't really help

Moshe

3:54 AM

OK

I'm basically having issues setting up Java

The SDK is a little easier

It seems that Eclipse was not reading my classpath for some reason

Yi Jiang

Nope, sorry, web developer here, totally out of my league

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

What error you got from Eclipse ?

Moshe

Ok

I don't remember

It couldn't load a Java file or something

Hang on, I'm going to extract it

I downloaded again

rchern

man, setting up eclipse is easy. install java, download eclipse, extract archive.

done.

Moshe

didnt work for me

Could it be an issue of 32 bit mixed with 64 bit? Perhaps an older Eclipse?

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

3:57 AM

I can't really know unless I see what your problem is exactly

rchern

oh come on @HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL

Moshe

Eclipse is extracting

rchern

where are your mind reading skills?

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

I left them at school, sorry

Moshe

I'm not expecting mind reading

rchern

3:58 AM

all you need to know is that it isn't working! (;

Moshe

I apologize, my mistake. I'm going to see what happens with Eclipse. I'll be back in a few minutes.

Thanks for tolerating my idiocy here.

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

It's idiocy all day here :p

Moshe

Yep, HolyV

Okay, Eclipse Galileo (as recommended by the Android SDK) is starting...

Workspace set up...

Progress bar and splash screen...

Hey, it loaded!

Well, It looks like @HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL 's mindreading powers save the day

rchern

also note that you got 2 answers to your question

Moshe

right

I saw one

rchern

4:04 AM

heh

Moshe

What's so funny?

Look, I had a problem before and now I got a solution. We all have those.

rchern

huh?

i'm confused.

Moshe

You "heh"ed. I'm curious why

ok well, thanks.

Now for the Android part of things

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

rchern is a monkey who types random key

Moshe

and you read minds

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

4:05 AM

she writes perl too

Moshe

Oh yeah? How come it's not in her profile?

:D

rchern

you asked what was so funny

i have no clue what's funny

shrugs

Moshe

Actually, @rchern , I noticed you are starting iOS development.

How old is that profile update?

rchern

i dunno. i don't date my profile updates. (;

Moshe

Approximately

a month

ok, let me rephrase

How far have you gotten with iOS dev?

a year

Yi Jiang

4:09 AM

@rchern Feature Request: Revision History for Profiles! Wait... that won't work

rchern

heh

Moshe

@YiJiang Why not?

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

It's mostly a useless feature, I think there are way other feature they could add before that.

Moshe

Fair enough

Downloading the Android SDK starter package.

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/…

That's the list of the most popular feature request not implemented

Yi Jiang

4:12 AM

@HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL With half of them rejected... well, sigh...

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

It's filtered, that's all the non [status-accepted] one

Moshe

SE is written in PHP?

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

no, it's C# ASP.Net MVC

Moshe

what language?

oh

Yi Jiang

The "req" tab's the one you're looking for then: meta.stackoverflow.com/?tab=requests

Moshe

4:13 AM

cool

Yi Jiang

63

Q: Which tools and technologies were used to build the Trilogy?

Picking up from the blog, the following is a more complete stack pieced together from a variety of places. Please add any that I may have missed. Return to FAQ index

Moshe

Cool link.

Unicornify ftw!

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

<---- Yes

.

Moshe

:D

Ok, I downloaded the starter

Where is a safe place for it to go?

rchern

on your computer!

Moshe

4:18 AM

Not necessarily

It's a shame I can't have a CLASSPATh that points to the cloud

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

at that point I got no clue, all I've done in Java was some Game Dev with Slick, Some Swing apps for school and a little bit of servlet.

Moshe

ok cool

I'm going to go with my "development" folder

probably the least safe, as i do housekeeping and i delete things....

While I do that, please look at this question and tell me why it's closed:

0

Q: Are there any Online IDEs that support ObjectiveC?

Possible Duplicate: Are there any good online IDEs? Are there any online IDEs that support ObjectiveC? The popular ones seem to have neglected this language. Please include a link.

ide environment

I"m looking for an online Objective-C IDE

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

There's a bounty on the other question to get one for Objective-C

9

Q: Are there any good online IDEs?

Bounty Added: I am looking for an online "IDE" that supports Objective-C. Does anybody know of any good online IDEs that allow collaboration, like google docs and spreadsheets do? I'm not expecting a full version of Visual Studio but perhaps a cut down editor capable of HTML, javascript and...

ide cloud saas online-resources code-editor

Moshe

Well, that was added later...

rchern

because it is a duplicate, just like it says?

Moshe

4:21 AM

it's not

mine is more specific

rchern

ask the people that closed the question

we have no idea (;

Moshe

And you don't see the merit in reopening?

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

you need 5 people to reopen

Moshe

Right, I have 2

any takers?

The other question's bounty was added afterwards

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

I don't have 3k yet on SO

Yi Jiang

4:22 AM

Ah... no, the "Objective C" bit wasn't there when you first asked

Moshe

True

Yi Jiang

Well, I'll consider reopening

Moshe

But that was what I really wanted.

Thanks.

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

You can flag it for moderator attention to get it reopen

Moshe

Should I revise the title to "Online Objective-C IDE?" to be more concise?

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

4:24 AM

I don't think it's going to change much

rchern

lol, wait. your original question just asked about ides and didn't mention objective-c, but you're seriously asking why it was closed as a duplicate?

Moshe

I guess I really just want it reopened. I didnt make that edit fast enough...

Can I complain some more? :D

One more closed Q.

1

Q: Why are there so many programming languages, and why are new ones still being invented?

Why are there so many programming languages? And what prompts someone to create a programming languages in spite of the fact that other languages already exist?

programming-languages

rchern

...

Moshe

rchern - I know. Don't mind me. I'm not usually like this.

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

Anyway there's a bounty question for that, it's going to get a lot more attention than just a normal question.

rchern

4:25 AM

somehow i doubt that (;

Chacha102

Why are people in here near 9:30PM PST?

rchern

and exactly how is that question not subjective and not argumentative?

Chacha102

Are you all still at work?

bdonlan

Not everyone is on the west coast of the US :)

Moshe

I want to get some documented reasons - things they might teach in a college course

Yi Jiang

4:26 AM

@Chacha102 It's 12.30 Singapore time, lunch break people!

Chacha102

Have I discovered a secret crop of programming slaves that never start working?

bdonlan

1:26PM here in Japan

rchern

...

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

no, im documenting my own project atm (it's 00:30 here)

Moshe

I'm acting like an imbecile here. what can I say? My apologies.

Chacha102

4:27 AM

Wait .. I need to document these chats if the FBI comes bouncing in on me

Moshe

Why would they do that?

rchern

@Chacha102, and just what are you doing here then?

Chacha102

@rchern Oh ... I was just ... errr....

Moshe

@rchern - really - I don't want to look like an idiot. I came to The Tavern to get set up with Android SDK.

Yi Jiang

@Chacha102 Informant for the FBI, busting a group of non-working <del>terrorists</del> programmers

bdonlan

4:28 AM

@Chacha102, the entire chat room transcript is logged for just such an occasion :) chat.meta.stackoverflow.com/transcript/89/2010/8/3

rchern

@Moshe, I just don't get the point of cross-posting at the same time

Moshe

Actually, In a bookstore today, i saw a really shady guy reading a Javascript book.

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

I'm off now, I have a course in 7:30 hours

rchern

cross-posting basically just wastes everybody's time

and chat isn't meant to replace SO

Moshe

@rchern - You are right. i thought that perhaps the folks in The Tavern would be different than those on SO.

@rchern - True.

Yi Jiang

4:29 AM

@rchern Not entirely true - I'd never have noticed that edit for the online editor question if he hadn't posted it here

rchern

you had 2 answers within 11 minutes that were both spot on.

@YiJiang, talking about a different question from the ide one

Moshe

@rchern - bows head in shame I can't argue with you. You are right. I'm sorry. (Seriously.)

Yi Jiang

@rchern Yeah, I'd just noticed that...

rchern

:P

Moshe

@rchern I am seriously feeling like an idiot now.

Anybody know how to point my classpath to the Android SDK folder?

Yi Jiang

4:31 AM

@Moshe Aren't we all? (quietly points to the top starred question in the feed right now, then ducks)

Moshe

@YiJang - Be nice.

rchern

stackoverflow.com/search?q=classpath+android+sdk

@YiJiang ):

Moshe

waiting for the format to come through

rchern

format to come through?

Moshe

nevermind

SO links to questions are autoformatted

I didnt realise it was a list

Chacha102

4:33 AM

so, anything interesting happening?

rchern

@YiJiang, usually the common error on delete statements is forgetting the where clause? I had the correct where clause. Just the wrong damn from clause. Deleted a group of people from the directory rather than deleting their permissions. On a production table.

Oops |:

Moshe

@rchern - dont make excuses.

:D

Chacha102

that isn't very interesting..

rchern

which part of that is making excuses?

Moshe

"I had the correct where clause." sounds like a defense of sorts

whatever- I'm not looking to pick fights

ugh

rchern

4:35 AM

errrr, it's just a followup sentence to my opening sentence. (;

Moshe

my bad

rchern

@Chacha102, sorry...what did you want to talk about?

/me sighs

Yi Jiang

@rchern Don't have to keep on repeating that - I was online when you posted that. Although it does sound pretty funny/sad/weird taken out of context

Moshe

I'm sorry

Not my night right now

On a different note - Anybody here know foreign languages? (Not rogramming related - spoken)

Yi Jiang

@Moshe 吃饭了吗？

Moshe

4:37 AM

OK, that counts

No clue what you wrote

rchern

At least it isn't pinned anymore. It'll fall off soon. (I hope)

bdonlan

日本語なら話せますが

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Have you eaten (common Chinese greeting)

Moshe

Erm, ... yes. What did you have to offer?

rchern

hey, who just starred it? lol

Moshe

4:38 AM

@rchen - does starring keep those posts up longer?

rchern

bad starrer!

Moshe

:P

rchern

i hate you

4

not really...but a little...but ont really

Moshe

unstarred

i was just teasing

does starring keep it up there for longer?

rchern

stars/age may be the formula. i forget

Yi Jiang

4:39 AM

@Moshe I think it follows the same formulae as the "Hot" questions tab

Moshe

ok

rchern

it is good that it is there. otherwise people might get confused and think i'm perfect. giggles

Moshe

Well, the "I hate you" gets a start

rchern

i was kidding!

Moshe

You're on a roll - keep it up.

I know, but someone else starred it first.

:P

Yi Jiang

4:41 AM

@Moshe Taking random posts out of context and sticking them to the top of the feed... sounds like fun! star +1

rchern

meh fine. but it is 20 til midnight. let's all laugh at rchern day ends then!

:P

Chacha102

@rchern LOL LOL

@rchern ROFL!!!!!!

@rchern HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!

2

@rchern he he he he he...

@rchern ho ho ho ho ho....

@rchern ha .. ha .. ha...

rchern

is this how you define interesting by the way?

Chacha102

@rchern ha...

Moshe

@rchern - just star @chacha102 s laughing

Chacha102

4:43 AM

You did say to laugh at @rchern's days end.

rchern

@moshe, no point...i just figure @Chacha102 will pin it here shortly :D

Moshe

how does pinning work?

Chacha102

it sticks to the top and it just doesn't come down...

Yi Jiang

setInterval(function(){
$('#input').text('Hahahaha');
$('#sayit-button').click();
}, 3000);

This should do

Moshe

@YiJang - Javascript, yes?

how do you pin something?

Chacha102

4:44 AM

> I love to laugh, Loud and long and clear, I love to laugh. It's getting worse ev'ry year

> The more I laugh, The more I fill with glee, And the more the glee, The more I'm a merrier me, It's embarrassing!, The more I'm a merrier me!

Moshe

Ugh

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Yes, jQuery. It should automatically fill the input box with some laughter before sending it. Every 3 seconds

Moshe

setInterval(function(){
$('#input').text('Hahahaha');
$('#sayit-button').click();
}, 3000);

Yi Jiang

Of course I'm not going to try it out... or maybe I should

Moshe

I will

Chacha102

4:45 AM

> When things strike me as funny, I can't hide it inside, And squeak - as the, squeakelers do, I've got to let go with a ho-ho-ho..., And a ha-ha-ha...too!

bdonlan

If you're going to try it, do it in a new room :)

rchern

@Moshe, on a serious note, pinning is for informational stuff that is vital to know. or at least, that's what its purpose is

Moshe

Disclaimer: I am now trying some code written by @YiJang. If my account get's suspended, someone help me.

@rchern - thanks

Yi Jiang

Erm.. DON'T

Moshe

Hahahaha

oops

Hahahaha

Chacha102

4:46 AM

> I love to laugh, Loud and long and clear, I love to laugh, So ev'rybody can hear, The more I laugh, The more I fill with glee, And the more the glee, The more I'm a merrier me!

Moshe

it worked!

I closed the tab to stop it

Chacha102

HA HA HA he he he ho ho ho ho .. ha?

Moshe

@Chacha, paste this into your address bar:

javascript: setInterval(function(){
$('#input').text('Hahahaha');
$('#sayit-button').click();
}, 3000);

Chacha102

hmm?

Hahahaha

it only works once unless you type something else..

Moshe

really?

Chacha102

4:49 AM

Yes

there is a duplicate detector on chat

Yi Jiang

Hmmm? Ah well...

Moshe

@YiJiang !!!!! Fix your broken code!

Chacha102

it won't post a message if it is the same as the last one..

Moshe

I was enjoying it.

So add a random character, like a period or question mark.

rchern

yes, because they have spam prevention. sad that it is necessary.

Chacha102

4:49 AM

►

Moshe

@Chacha102 - Mary Poppins, yes?

Chacha102

Yes

Moshe

Ok, cool

@rchern- thanks for the the help. @YiJang - Pin your script.

Chacha102

This one has more Stereo sound..

►

2

rchern

oof, don't pin the spam script

or star it

Chacha102

4:51 AM

You just had to say that....

Yi Jiang

@Moshe Please don't.... No seriously don't

bdonlan

pinning two versions? Way to use up all the space for starring :|

Chacha102

Note only I can pin stuff ... and mods

rchern

@Chacha102, sadly, yes, I did have to say it apparently. A script to generate spam should not be starred and should definitely not be pinned.

Chacha102

Here, let me get rid of both of those..

I can also cancel stars/pins

Moshe

4:53 AM

Well, I'mma make a new version that beats the spam filter and star it in the "Test Chat" rooms.

See how they go over.

Chacha102

Here, let me pin something more whimsical and suitable for the room

Moshe

Unless of course, there are any objections.

Enjoy.

Yi Jiang

@Chacha102 Much better :D

Moshe

I gotta get Android running. Time to port iOS apps to Android. (iOs= great frameworks, Android = start from scratch...)

Gnite - thanks @rchern, @HoLyVieRUNIONDOEVILSQL @everybodyelse

Thanks for the reopen on the "online ide" question too... :D

Yi Jiang

Holy crap! blogs.forbes.com/kashmirhill/2010/08/30/…

2

Well that explains why my surveys havn't gotten back much usable information

Must use Comic Sans and txtspk next time

Moshe

5:10 AM

OK, I'm back. Got another issue with Eclipse.

Cannot complete the install because one or more required items could not be found.
Software being installed: Android Development Tools 0.9.9.v201009221407-60953

For the record, my Question on SO got a bunch of views already. It seems that there are Android Devs awake at all times of the night.

radp

8:18 AM

@YiJiang big media catches on ars technica articles with a month difference? :)

Fosco

9:43 AM

just finished a SIX hour game of Civilization 5.. holy crap.

Michael Mrozek

9:55 AM

That's moderately ridiculous

Lasse V. Karlsen

10:25 AM

It's good I assume?

radp

10:38 AM

@Fosco That's relatively little

Last sunday we had a 22v21 game lasting 3h34m (not a Civ5 game obviously)

that's roughly one mythical man week total

Benjol

10:56 AM

@radp, is a question with multiple possible right answers subjective or not? :)

Marc Gravell

(wonders if I should answer that multiple times)

Benjol

@MarcGravell, I'm still mulling over the fact that (to my mind) people are confusing "we don't like subjective on SO" with "subjective can't work on SE"

and whether polls/discussions/subjective are one and the same, or whether there are differences

balpha

my view: "not subjective" means "every answer is either wrong or right"

that doesn't mean there can't be several correct answers

"use jQuery" and "don't do that" are both right (regardless of the question)

Michael Mrozek

11:21 AM

That's how I view it too; I generally close as subjective if every answer can be considered equally right, since that means voting on them is pretty useless

Benjol

How about poll-type questions, is that in the "don't want" or "can't work" category?

My most upvoted and most favourited question is a poll-type question with no-right, or all-right answers

31

Q: Handy F# snippets

There are already two questions about F#/functional snippets. However what I'm looking for here are useful snippets, little 'helper' functions that are reusable. Or obscure but nifty patterns that you can never quite remember. Something like: open System.IO let rec visitor dir filter= se...

f# reference code-snippets

spoulson

12:14 PM

Hello

HoLyVieR' UNION DO EVIL SQL--

Hello

spoulson

Seems rchern is making a lot of commotion in the starred comments

Sergio Tapia

12:36 PM

sup

spoulson

12:51 PM

Yo

Sergio Tapia

ah

someone finally joined

Benjol

This is the first time I've seen someone ask a question on meta which belongs on SO:

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/65909/…

rchern

@spoulson, I think you mean Chacha was trying to be funny... (;

Sergio Tapia

@Benjol there's always a first. :D maybe he was trolling?

Peter Bridger

So this is the chat interface - nice to finally see it. Looks like they're trying to evolve the wheel again

Sergio Tapia

1:04 PM

I find it very nice to use and very simple to see what's going on. Plus the ajaxy crap fits really well :D

Sekhat

hello all

Michael Mrozek

Oneboxing is just about the only reason I like this chat over a pure text one, but it's a pretty big reason

Benjol

@SergioTapia, don't think so, but you never know

spoulson

@MichaelMrozek Oneboxing?

Benjol

0

Q: long Polling webservice

I have a webpage what asks through jQuery json data from webservice after every 1 second. If there is no data then webservice returns null. The problem is that if client is on site over 24 hours then the browser will collect too much data and will crash. So I decided to set timeout to 60000 in j...

c# asp.net

@spoulson, that is one boxing

certain urls when pasted on their own are 'magicked'

Michael Mrozek

1:14 PM

4

A: What links and sites are handled specially in chat?

The current list of integrated (we call this onebox, or oneboxing, ala search engines) sites is: Stack Exchange Questions Stack Exchange Answers Stack Exchange Users Stack Exchange Chat Messages Stack Exchange Chat Rooms (though not really pretty yet) Amazon Twitter Wikipedia XKCD YouTube Githu...

spoulson

I get it, but don't get the name

now it's twoboxing

Michael Mrozek

They stole it from Google: googlesystem.blogspot.com/2006/07/google-onebox-results.html

spoulson

ahh well, it's just too vague a term I guess. If I were Google, I could get away with coining drab tech terms, too.

Moshe

javascript: setInterval(function(){
$('#input').text('Hahahaha');
$('#sayit-button').click();
}, 3000);

Sekhat

[moo](javascript: setInterval(function(){
$('#input').text('Hahahaha');
$('#sayit-button').click();
}, 3000);)

seems they thought of the obvious :P

phsr

1:45 PM

anyone getting timeouts when trying to clone/push/pull from github?

nvm, firewall issues!

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