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11:00 PM
@Sam And shouldn't that tell you a little something about what happens when you're unprofessional and argumentative on a public-facing website? Thinking bad of others because they disagree with you leads to being irrationally angry at people
(late to type that :p)
 
My 2 year old niece drags my dog all around the house by the ear sometimes, the dog just makes a sad face, doesn't bite or anything. He just wants to be her friend.
 
Here's the thing: SR is an experiment. We have to crack down on answers. If we don't, this will become a spam haven.
 
Sam
ok
 
@LaszloPapp 50 closed questions instead of 250 with one close vote :)
 
Sam
I understand
 
11:00 PM
Wonderful
 
Why is The Workplaces.SE's favicon the same as their old beta favicon?
 
Sam
but you could simply say: "Sam stop
now
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: you can achieve the same with links, too.
 
Sam
30 days it's a really big punishment
 
@Sam enough. right now.
That work?
 
11:01 PM
@Sam We did. Gilles did. Several members of the community did.
 
@LaszloPapp oh, links are just links. They're just backlogged too so if no one is present they still get closed.
 
Sam
When Gilles deleted my answer I had already improved it
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: just like links?
 
Sam
put in my clothes
2 guys said he was wrong
 
@Sam I assume you mean your shoes ;)
Let me look up the answer
 
Sam
11:02 PM
(yes, I'm not english... sorry..)
thanks!
 
@LaszloPapp yes, you post: your-question-link in the room
Here's the backlog php.cv-pls.com
 
@Sam Found the answer.
 
@BenjaminGruenbaum: to be honest, I dislike this style. I prefer upcoming inline content
 
@animuson No... are you sure your query is right?
 
@Sam two people said he was wrong. That is no excuse whatsoever for acting irrationally and calling out people on a public-facing site.
 
Sam
11:03 PM
I was really stupid in choosing nazis as an example of people addicted to rules..
 
these links and posts do not bring anything inline, so I do not bother to open them.
 
@LaszloPapp there's a browser extension for that :D cv-pls.pieterhordijk.com
 
@LaszloPapp they are inlined by the browser extension
 
@Sam have you read this?
 
nazis are never a good example ;)
 
11:03 PM
@BenjaminGruenbaum: browser extensions ...
 
@hichris123 Same exact query I've been using. There were like 300 results for the next result-set I was going to do, so I stopped. Now when I run it, all the results seem to have disappeared.
 
no, thanks. :)
 
Seriously. Every time you're tempted to compare what happens on a website to real-life dictatorships, you should just ... not.
 
@LaszloPapp :D
 
Sam
@Undo yes.. but what I meant is that a bit of tolerance is always welcome
 
11:04 PM
@Sam Ah, so it's tolerance.
 
but then again, you install an extension to achieve the same what a link already can do. :D
 
@animuson Maybe you fixed them and you didn't even remember it... :P
 
Sam
I improved my answe as Izzy told me
I did it immediately
 
@AnnaLear somehow people never complain that walmart, best buy or radio shack are not democracies.
 
Sam
and it was also wikified
there were just 2 answers and I believe in this section
I don't want to see it closed
 
11:05 PM
ah, SR, single responsibility...
 
As I said, this is an experiment site. We have to delete answers that don't fully match the guidelines, at least for the first three months or so. Then we can think about relaxing our requirements for answers.
 
Sam
ok..
 
@AnnaLear Can this question be marked as : meta.stackoverflow.com/q/214750/245764
 
Sam
probably you know this things better than me
 
@Sam A trick for high-quality answers: Bullet lists and screenshots.
 
11:06 PM
@syb0rg I'm not sure if that's 100% done. I'll check.
 
@Undo: is it clearly communicated with the participants so that they do not feel offended?
 
Make a bullet list and go down and check every requirement in the question, and write something about how the software fulfills that requirement.
 
@AnnaLear I have a Retina display, and they do look more sharp now. They have for a while, but the status was never changed on the question.
 
Sam
@Undo yes, but I fear that if many people get their answers deleted they could become upset..
I can do it.. As I'm doing for the questions
 
@syb0rg I mean I'm not sure that was done for all sites in the network.
 
11:07 PM
@Sam They might, true. Let the mods handle that.
Not your job to worry about it.
 
Sam
ok
However I got disappointed since I have been opening Questions on meta like this
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Q: How do you interpret this blog article about guidelines on SE?

SamI would like to draw your attention on the following topic. I will cite some part of the guidelines. "We prefer questions that can be answered, not just discussed." "We never claimed that subjective questions were horrible abominations that should never be asked." "Because we believe so deeply ...

 
@Sam Yes. One question is enough. You don't need to make a whole bunch of them.
 
Sam
yes.. I admit a lot of time I was upset
 
Which is natural for humans. Your job is to make sure you don't let it show. Ever.
 
@Sam what were you trying to accomplish with that discussion? Even on a meta site, the discussion should have a goal. A broad "what do you think" kind of stuff doesn't tend to go over well or be productive.
 
Sam
11:10 PM
@AnnaLear: I've studied cognitive psychology
I wanted to show that the guidelines of this community are speaking of flexibility
 
@Sam as have I, and a lot of it is out of date :)
 
Sam
to close questions only when it's really needed
and so on
 
And I've been using SE sites for 4 years. We've learned a lot of lessons along the way about what works and what doesn't in practice.
 
So @Sam, I believe you can make a good contributor. You'll have to work at it, but you can do it. You have to accept criticism with grace and an open mind. I do have to warn you, though: After this suspension is over, the next one will be for a year. You have to try your hardest. Got it?
 
Not primarily opinionated is a close reason on SR?
 
Sam
11:11 PM
@Hiroto: that article is really well written. Don't say it's out of date.
 
The fact that SR exists at all is a testament to us recognizing the need for something like it. It cannot, however, be as flexible as it might seem like a good idea from the outside. We've been down that road before (most notably, with Skeptics and Programmers)
 
Sam
@Undo yes...
 
@Sam I said a lot of cognitive psychology is out of date. When did I ever hint at whatever article you're referring to being out of date?
 
Sam
but Undo...
if we were not speaking here..
I would have not known that
it's not respectful
I know it may work
but is just handling human like you handle numbers
 
@Sam FYI, closing is meant to improve questions. It's meant to be a This question is either off-topic or the site or you could improve it by doing this. It's not meant to be bad, per se. It's meant to make the site better and create better questions.
 
Sam
11:13 PM
7 days -> 30 days -> 1 year
 
It's documented all over mSO, actually.
 
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A: VB Byval I don't need it

catbertBecause the default is using ByRef, which you most certainly don't want.

 
Sam
@Undo but maybe moderator can make wrong choice
it's human
and you were upset too when you banned me
 
Sure, but we are peer reviewed and all mod messages and suspensions are reviewed by the community team.
@Sam I really wasn't.
@Sam The problem is: If you don't behave after two warnings, you probably won't ever.
 
Sam
You were angry because I said it was like to see the raise of Nazism
 
11:15 PM
No, I was shocked. Not angry.
 
Sam
I meant this
I'll post a link
 
@Sam we moderate with level heads. and as @Undo has said, everythign we do is peer-reviewed
 
it is interesting to see how upset people get about nazism, but much less - if any -, about communism.
 
52 mins ago, by Anna Lear
This conversation is going great. "They should just tell me to stop." "Okay, stop." "Yes, but... keeps repeating the same arguments". It's time to drop this, @Sam.
^ 52 minutes ago
 
Sam
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Q: How to refer to the phenomenon of people not wanting to change their minds?

SamI knew a psychologist who was calling it self-referentiality. People are always trying to see only the sentence which confirm their beliefs. What's the correct name for this?

 
11:17 PM
If someone made a mistake, it would have been reversed by now. but it hasn't been. I'd advise that you just drop this, right now, go sleep or walk away from your computer, and take several deep breaths.
 
Oh, I'm not going to get into psychology. All I can tell you is what you've done, how you should act, and what will happen if you don't shape up.
 
Sam
I chose the worst example. But what I was meaning was that million of people can share the same (in my opinion wrong) ideas
 
I've told you everything I can.
And now it's time to drop it.
 
Sam
just one other thing
please
 
@Sam no
 
Sam
11:18 PM
think on all this stuff tomorrow
 
You have said that about 15 times now
 
@Sam And how do you know you're not biased? If this is a battle of opinions, it's not going to end well for anyone.
 
I will. Now it's time to drop it.
 
and repeated yourself every time
 
Sam
read what I meant with that sentence
 
11:18 PM
I've got to go do something else now
 
Sam
it was not an offence
ok
thanks
 
Goodbye, sir ;)
 
Sam
bye :(
I really respect who is humble enough to change his mind and strongly try to wear other people's shoes. But it's really hard to see this happening.
I didn't said Nazi to no one. I meant that the raise of nazism was possible for the same mechanism that allows so many people on a community to share only one point of view.
It's called confirmation bias. It means the mechanism through wich people are trying to see only the POV which confirms what they already believe: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias
@undo: good nigth
I chose a really bad example, but you know I was upset, I thought people were lacking of respect to me and no one was listening also when I was taking really authoritative sources :(
I did many mistakes. And I will not write anymore on SR meta, however I would really appreciate a second chance. I think 30 days of suspension without an explicit warning, and taking in consideration that I was upset, and I didn't mean that sentence as an offence, are really not that fair.
 

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