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12:36 AM

Do we really need the credit-card tag on SO?

One of the most neglected items in SE sites is fixing the synonym queues for usability, productiveness and notification.

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Q: Request tag synonym approval [tz] => [timezone]

In attempting to keep things clean, a very long time ago I suggested a tag synonym on StackOverflow for the tz tag to be merged with timezone (tz has 25 questions, timezone has 3,941). I guess nobody looks at tag synonym votes at all. How is it ever supposed to reach the required 4 votes? I ...

@hichris123, I dunno, seems like there might be some play with credit-card programming stuff. The excerpt was really messed up, so I edited that.

hichris123

@LanceRoberts Yeah, the problem is that it looks like from a quick glance a lot of it is off topic.

Lance Roberts

Yeh, that could be, looks like a good project for someone who needs an editing badge.

hichris123

@LanceRoberts In my next lifetime.

Lance Roberts

12:53 AM

I've a long list of SO projects also, but less incentive to get to them now that I've got all the editing badges (and not that much time).

hichris123

I don't really care about the badges, I'm just making a goal of getting to 2K rep soon on SO.

Lance Roberts

Yeh, I need to focus more on SO rep, just takes time to test answers out. Less than 80 rep to go for 10k.

hichris123

That's true. I tend to answer stuff that I have used before, or can adapt something that I've used to the question.

Lance Roberts

Any idea how you got the pointy hat?

hichris123

Yes...

You want it?

Two hints: It's the meta version of a non-sekrit one, and Shog said something about 10 of the most useless points on the internet.

Lance Roberts

1:00 AM

Hmm, I'll have to study the normal hats then.

Wow, I don't see a single hat that is worth exactly 10 rep, the mystery deepens.

Ok, think I got it figured out, we'll see.

hichris123

1:22 AM

@LanceRoberts What do you think it is?

Do you really have to delete it that quickly? Didn't even see it.

Lance Roberts

My credit-card tag wiki got rejected by those who don't understand the use and formatting of tag-wiki excerpts. I'll try again.

hichris123

Yep.

Why can't you edit them without peer-review?

Lance Roberts

On SO, I'm not 20k. I can do it on Meta.

Tag wikis have higher limits.

Gotta go, later.

hichris123

Oh, I was thinking it came with the approve/deny part.

See ya.

hichris123

1:40 AM

@animuson or anyone dev/CM: has this ever been figured out?

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Q: Can a user gain more than 2 rep for editing?

I edited this post and noticed my reputation change from 1466 to 1470 (i.e +4). I went to check my reputation changes and found: Note: My reputation later went down from 1470 to 1468, so it appears the system realized it made a mistake and corrected my reputation, but hasn't gotten rid of ...

bug reputation suggested-edits

Or @9Shogsa-Shogging

RyanCarlson

@hichris123 I'm surprised that the great reopening of Spam Review is still open.

And with a score of 9

hichris123

@RyanCarlson I don't think the mods/CM's care, really, since they're not going to reopen it unless we can make it into a real site.

RyanCarlson

Yeah

@hichris123 We should get 200 people together at one time, then create a new spam review proposal. Everyone would immediately follow it, upvote the example questions, and then commit to it, so it would be "fully committed" before any mods got a chance to close it.

hichris123

Wonder how that would go over...

Honestly, I want to do that except for the flag queue. Undo and I are plotting.

With comment flags.

RyanCarlson

We'd probably get suspended or something.

I just had a great idea!

hichris123

1:51 AM

For which? Flags or Spam review?

RyanCarlson

something else

hichris123

What is it?

RyanCarlson

We should make a "Procrastinators Exchange"

I'll propose it...

hichris123

What would the questions be?

RyanCarlson

tomorrow

XD

Example question: "How should—wait, I haven't thought this out fully yet. I'll update this tomorrow"

hichris123

1:54 AM

I like that one.

RyanCarlson

Cool!

I'll start it tomorrow

Actually probably the day after

I'm sort of busy procrastinating right now.

RyanCarlson

2:06 AM

@hichris123 I just read all about your and Undo's comment flagging.

I'm quite surprised at the 89.79595% accuracy rate

hichris123

@RyanCarlson Where?

RyanCarlson

erwaysoftware.com/charcoal

hichris123

No, I know, but did you look for replies from Undo to me?

RyanCarlson

Or do you mean where did I read about it?

hichris123

Yes.

RyanCarlson

2:14 AM

...places...

hichris123

...

Where?

And the 89% I don't think is being updated.

RyanCarlson

Dec 19 at 0:00, by hichris123

@Undo Sometime we should really flag tons of comments and make the mods go crazy.

hichris123

I've only not flagged one comment I think that the tool has given me.

RyanCarlson

And after that

And also on

Charcoal HQ

Where smoke is detected, diamonds are made, and we break thing...

19

46

hichris123

Room owner here.

You want a ban? :)

RyanCarlson

2:16 AM

...Why?

hichris123

Yes, would you like to join the club?

RyanCarlson

Sure

I think

hichris123

@Undo When you're back into internet land, give @RyanCarlson a login for Charcoal.

RyanCarlson

What exactly does "joining the club" entail?

hichris123

It's Undo's tool, and he's in low-bandwith internet.

RyanCarlson

2:17 AM

I know

I saw

hichris123

It's just being able to use Undo's tool to flag obsolete comments.

Undo the Snowman

2:56 AM

I arrive.

hichris123

Oh, hello @Undo

ElfSlice

@UndotheSnowman I remain.

Undo the Snowman

Lol

I have LTE internet.

With one problem:

It's on a mobile phone with a 2 gig cap

hichris123

Ha.

ElfSlice

You win some, you lose some.

hichris123

2:58 AM

2GB a month

Undo the Snowman

Yup

So, @RyanCarlson wants a login?

hichris123

Chat can't take up too much data.

Yeah, he's off, though.

Undo the Snowman

grumbles to self about making decent signup sytem

hichris123

Hmm...find any hacks for personal information yet, @Undo

ElfSlice

posts gifs to use up data

hichris123

2:59 AM

And oneboxes.

ElfSlice

mostly gifs

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 personal info?

Like what?

hichris123

Emails.

ElfSlice

Mobile chat doesn't even show oneboxes, does it?

hichris123

So he doesn't have to be asked for it.

Undo the Snowman

3:00 AM

@ElfSlice Mobile hotspot.

I'm on my laptop

ElfSlice

You'll probably use up more data that way.

Undo the Snowman

(but it does show oneboxes)

ElfSlice

If you're worried about conserving it.

Undo the Snowman

Yeah, but I want my keyboard.

hichris123

I doubt he cares.

He just wants us to feel bad for him.

Undo the Snowman

3:01 AM

@hichris123 It's Manish's job to find PII leaks. Not mine.

hichris123

I've already used up like 1GB today alone.

@Undo I'm trying to find a hack for dev. Not working...

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 They locked it up pretty tight.

There's still one left...

hichris123

@Undo Wow, the devs lazy or something? Or you wanted your backdoor to dev?

Undo the Snowman

Meh, the chances are pretty low of someone else finding this one.

hichris123

Now I know what my project is...

Undo the Snowman

3:04 AM

Heh

hichris123

Just warning you now.

Though I don't really know how to exploit and find bugs.

Undo the Snowman

Better idea: hack Charcoal

hichris123

Who cares, SO can teach me that.

Undo the Snowman

> How can I hack in to dev.so?

hichris123

@Undo I saw the Github repo, so I can just see what is wrong/bugged/can be exploited in it.

Undo the Snowman

3:06 AM

> I really want to see the junk that devs post. Please send teh tips for hacking into dev.so.

@hichris123 Oh.

That's cheating

hichris123

No way.

Fair game, you posted it.

Undo the Snowman

Better idea: Fork the repro, fix the stuff, and send a pull request :P

And I will attempt to figure out how to merge things.

hichris123

Do you think I could post that in SO?

And not get banned?

Undo the Snowman

No

Well, you might not get banned....

hichris123

Hey, I don't really know PHP, whatever else you did it with, but I can learn.

Hey, I didn't get banned with Spam Review reopening.

(I know I just posted 2 things starting with Hey, I. Weird, right?)

@Undo "echo "This is currently broked. Sorry!""?

Broken, possibly?

Dennis Meng

3:44 AM

sigh

i'm at the point where i feel like the VTC queue is really the only place where i can do anything any more

hichris123

@DennisMeng What do you mean?

ElfSlice

Just click 'accept' on everything. Quantity!

Dennis Meng

@hichris123 99.9% of the questions for which I have any real chance of helping with seem to be questions that really should be closed

jmac

Only 9 more up votes needed. Wink wink nudge nudge.

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 Kinda an mSO meme, kinda a typo :P

Dennis Meng

3:50 AM

i've gotten exactly 9 rep on SO this month. Amazing. >.<

ElfSlice

The correct spelling is 'borked'

Undo the Snowman

True.

hichris123

@Undo I found why Charcoal isn't working on IE. Now to fix it is another problem.

Undo the Snowman

@hic Why?

hichris123

And you used jQuery? Come on, too many memes.

Undo the Snowman

3:53 AM

:D

ajax333221

i love hats indeed

hichris123

@Undo For some reason, it isn't loading this:

<div class="modal-body">
                    <form class="form-signin" action="index.php" method="post">
                                            <input name="username" id="username" type="text" class="input-block-level" placeholder="Username">
                      <input name="password" type="password" id="password" class="input-block-level" placeholder="Password">
                      <button class="btn btn-medium btn-primary" type="submit" style="width:300">Login</button>
                    </form>

Undo the Snowman

Huh.

hichris123

Only modal-header is loading

Undo the Snowman

what version of IE?

hichris123

3:54 AM

IE9

Undo the Snowman

ah

hichris123

That may be the problem.

Undo the Snowman

IE9 borks everything

hichris123

Too much effort to upgrade.

Dennis Meng

Reminds me of the one time I tried to demo something in IE

the laptop I was using had IE6

Undo the Snowman

3:55 AM

Upgrade and help save developers everywhere!

Dennis Meng

and of course, I find out a week later that the code long since stopped supporting IE6 >.<

hichris123

Umm... I'll just use Chrome, since 99% of everything else works on IE9.

Oh, it loads properly using compatibility mode, but doesn't do something with the logon button.

I forget exactly what happens.

Undo the Snowman

Argh. Must get off this tablet.

i keep missing buttons.

i was after edit and hit delete.

hichris123

What tablet?

Undo the Snowman

this one.

hichris123

3:57 AM

Name?

Undo the Snowman

iPad + bad connection

ElfSlice

@hichris123 "Charlie"

Undo the Snowman

and a sleepy user

ElfSlice

I call mine "Dave" though

Undo the Snowman

Woohoo I got back on my laptop.

hichris123

3:58 AM

Come on, you should use Android. Everyone knows it's the iPad's fault.

Undo the Snowman

@Everyone get in here.

hichris123

@ElfSlice Why Dave?

ElfSlice

I don't actually, I was just making a joke.

My dad's name is Dave though, does that count?

Undo the Snowman

Is your dad a tablet?

2

Otherwise, no.

hichris123

I thought you were refering to HAL and 2001.

Undo the Snowman

3:59 AM

Hah!

hichris123

@ElfSlice So if you're the child of a tablet, what does that make you?

Undo the Snowman

tries to hunt down Everyone

ElfSlice

@hichris123 A smartwatch?

Undo the Snowman

There he is!

chat.stackexchange.com/users/7484/everyone

hichris123

@Undo Wow.

ElfSlice

4:01 AM

@UndotheSnowman Hahahahaha

Undo the Snowman

He's pretty neat.

He was on the original team during the really early days on Space.SE

(and is)

hichris123

@Undo You should be pretty happy. I'm getting close to 100 flags.

Undo the Snowman

is happy

@hichris123 Yay!

ElfSlice

@hichris123 Given or received?

hichris123

@ElfSlice Do you keep a count of how many times you are flagged?

Given.

ElfSlice

4:03 AM

@hichris123 No, I can't count that high.

hichris123

@Undo I think I'm at like 80-some. 700-something helpful.

@ElfSlice Are elfs not smart or something?

ElfSlice

I'm usually a Gnome

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 He asked Anna once, and Anna said that she couldn't say because there wasn't a counter on the flags-against-ElfSlice page

ElfSlice

GnomeSlice

hichris123

@Undo Feature request? its-always-friday-in-iceland

ElfSlice

4:04 AM

@UndotheSnowman I was given a rough number by someone else. I have more than 100 more than the next guy. I'm the only one in triple digits. So it's got to be somewhere around 130-199

hichris123

@ElfSlice How do you get so many flags?

And how don't you get banned?

ElfSlice

@hichris123 I get banned constantly.

Undo the Snowman

@hichris123 He gets banned.

ElfSlice

I even had a six month ban which ended earlier this year.

Undo the Snowman

Say... @hichris123 what did you do in the Charcoal room?

in Charcoal HQ on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, 1 hour ago, by MBraedley

@hichris123 I was notified of the flag.

ElfSlice

4:06 AM

Mostly because I get mad and curse at people or post pictures of ladies that I probably shouldn't.

hichris123

I flagged my own message.

Undo the Snowman

I... umm...

Ok

hichris123

I don't know why you can do that, but you can.

Seeing if I would be able to handle it since I'm a room owner.

Undo the Snowman

You can't

ElfSlice

@hichris123 You can't.

Undo the Snowman

4:06 AM

10k users have to do that.

hichris123

I figured that out.

ElfSlice

Also someone tried changing their name to 'GnomeSlice' and posted the message "Yeah that guy is a jerk" (referring to their actual self) and got suspended when someone flagged it

in The Bridge on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Sep 5 at 19:32, by Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn Science confirms that people don't like @GnomeSlice.

Undo the Snowman

reminds self not to change name to GnomeSlice

ElfSlice

Probably a good idea

hichris123

Should I try that...

Hmm...

ElfSlice

4:08 AM

I tried changing to my real name a while ago, and changing how I act in chat to clean up my image but it didn't work.

hichris123

What do you do wrong?

ElfSlice

shrug

I get angry and curse at people sometimes. And I post images I shouldn't sometimes without thinking.

hichris123

Anything not on chat?

ElfSlice

No, only in chat.

Although I got a 3 month site ban from Arqade with my 6 month chat ban for circumventing the accidental site suspension in the first place

I still come back because stackexchange is basically the extent of my life.

hichris123

How did you circumvent the ban? New account?

ElfSlice

4:12 AM

@hichris123 Yeah I had a sockpuppet. They said the suspension was an error but I guess I shouldn't have circumvented it anyway. I had a post all typed up and stuff and thought they could just merge it with my other account later.

Oh well.

That's neither here nor there.

Multiple people in the gaming chat have me blocked as well.

hichris123

Now you make me feel like a saint.

Undo the Snowman

Heh

ElfSlice

They think I'm a troll

hichris123

Do you have a giant onebox in real life?

ElfSlice

What?

hichris123

4:16 AM

Are you a giant onebox, or did you make a giant onebox in real life?

ElfSlice

I... no...

How does that even work

hichris123

You tell me.

You're the oneboxing king.

ElfSlice

4:30 AM

@hichris123 I am?

hichris123

4:42 AM

@ElfSlice Of course.

5:11 AM

Dat retro feel!

7:11 AM

My new greatest idea:

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Q: Implement secret badges

After watching the flurry of activity, and people (i.e. myself) trying to do a lot of stuff to try and get some of the secret hats, I realized that it might be worthwhile for SE to give out secret badges. Some criteria and specs: more work than gold ones of the same type shown with some specia...

feature-request badges badge-request

Tiny Tim

@LanceRoberts We're actually considering that now

Lance Roberts

Oohhh, got lucky I did.

Ugghh, I hate bad audits.

Tiny Tim

@LanceRoberts You might have just set a new record for the fastest status-something tag being applied to a feature request.

Lance Roberts

That's funny, when I was writing it, I was wondering how much rep it would cost me!

Tiny Tim

7:27 AM

They'd be secret insofar as they wouldn't appear on the badges page, but you'd know why you earned one when you did. There's also been ideas for sites themselves earning badges.

Lance Roberts

Per-site special badges sounds like a cool idea. It will add to the community feel.

3ventic

Permanent secrets don't work though.

Just take a look at how many of the secret hats are public knowledge already

Lance Roberts

They'd have to be double secret.

Shadow Wizard

7:58 AM

@TinyTim secret badges sounds awesome, but only if you'll keep changing the way to get them or recycle the secret badges list once in a while otherwise they would become just bunch of more badges. Any ETA beyond 6-8 weeks for this? ;)

michaelb958's a Sleigh

8:31 AM

@TinyTim Nope; the record is 9 seconds. (DE query)

Oops, fail, that's a bug.

The real record is 52 seconds.

Shadow Wizard

@michaelb958'saSleigh nice find, I was going to post it and didn't notice you already found it :)

I have the honor (?) to post quite a lot of feature requests that get statused really fast :D

Laszlo Papp

Hi, someone seems to be doing serial upvote on my top voted answers these seconds... is there anything to worry about?

Shadow Wizard

@LaszloPapp nope, comments are 3rd class citizens

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@LaszloPapp Nobody worries about comment upvotes.

Laszlo Papp

s/comments/answers/

Shadow Wizard

8:40 AM

I think there's no defences on this, just enjoy the... well, nothing really comes from this :)

Laszlo Papp

probably a satisfied user to whom I gave a good answer or who would do it? :)

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@LaszloPapp The script will probably reverse it at 03:00 UTC. That's all that happens.

Laszlo Papp

8 upvotes the last few seconds, and it keeps going up...

Shadow Wizard

Maybe also someone testing how many comments votes we have per day

Laszlo Papp

yes, exactly, that is what I thought, too.

lol

Shadow Wizard

8:41 AM

Or someone trying out a bot

@michaelb958'saSleigh no, script reverse only "real" votes e.g. those cast on posts

michaelb958's a Sleigh

Or a dev trying out //api.stackexchange.com/2.2/posts/{id}/upvote. (I can dream...)

Laszlo Papp

perhaps my mother giving christmas gift. :D

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@ShadowWizard Wait, I thought he was talking about answer votes now.

2 mins ago, by Laszlo Papp

s/comments/answers/

Shadow Wizard

oops!

Laszlo Papp

13 upvotes.... and it keeps coming.

Shadow Wizard

8:43 AM

I can swear he wrote comments

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@ShadowWizard He did. He then edited.

Shadow Wizard

Well, answers are totally different thing @LaszloPapp

Yes it will be reversed

Laszlo Papp

as fast as I get the 5K reputation level, I will lose it tonight. ;)

Shadow Wizard

@michaelb958'saSleigh yeah, still not used to this chat where posts can be edited

Lance Roberts

They need a special hat for midnight lurkers.

Shadow Wizard

8:44 AM

You can get max of +400 from a single users this way

Laszlo Papp

@ShadowWizard: you mean not one day, but overall?

in any case, I can go abuse the system and review tag edits now for a few hours!

Lance Roberts

Does anyone know if there is any secret hat for maxing all the review queues in a day?

Shadow Wizard

@LanceRoberts you mean hat?

Lance Roberts

I was almost there yesterday, but couldn't get enough 'Late Answers' in.

Laszlo Papp

@Lance, nope

Lance Roberts

8:46 AM

Whoops, yes, edited.

Laszlo Papp

I did it once, but I got nothing.

Shadow Wizard

No secret badges just yet

Laszlo Papp

ah, hat.

Shadow Wizard

Not even hacker badge :(

Laszlo Papp

btw, is it possible to hide certain review queues in the review tab?

Shadow Wizard

8:47 AM

@LaszloPapp there are 40 votes for each user per day, so it's +400 per day but likely it will just be reversed, and if repeated that user will get suspended

michaelb958's a Sleigh

@ShadowWizard Errr... rep cap?

Laszlo Papp

@ShadowWizard: yes, it is 40 per day, and the votes will be reverted as discussed.

Shadow Wizard

@michaelb958'saSleigh lol totally slipped my mind. Well, make it +200 per day :D

Lance Roberts

@LaszloPapp, so you did the review queue max thing since the 16th and got nothing?

Shadow Wizard

To sum this up, this is harmful as valid votes won't have effect one you hit rep cap

Laszlo Papp

8:49 AM

Lance, I think it was between 10-16th, sorry.

Shadow Wizard

@LaszloPapp why would you want to hide review queues??

Laszlo Papp

true, it is harmful actually since I cannot get the real votes today after the repcap reached.

can some moderator revert them now? Probably not, I guess, since it is all automated.

@ShadowWizard: because I do not care about certain review queues.

Shadow Wizard

Moderators can't revert votes, I'm pretty sure on this one... they can only see suspicous voting patterns. Maybe dev can though. Too bad it's Sunday!

Laszlo Papp

@ShadowWizard: I would like to concentrate on helping newcomers, like first posts, so if it is like that, I would not like to see anything else. This is just an example.

Shadow Wizard

@LaszloPapp so just open the desired queues, each in its own tab, and keep refreshing them

Laszlo Papp

8:53 AM

no, it is more difficult to watch 1-5 in separate tabs than in a summarized and filtered tab.

Shadow Wizard

Well, you can always have a userscript :)

Laszlo Papp

no, I would like to have an option to hide/show them.

was there a feature request for this before?

although it would probably rare, so it is likely not worth the hassle.

Shadow Wizard

No such option and no such feature request just yet.... feel free to start one but don't expect it to be very popular

Laszlo Papp

I will not because it is too rare a request, I would think.

Shadow Wizard

Yup

Laszlo Papp

8:58 AM

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Q: Review numbers in the top bar on the right

I have just noticed it this morning that there is a new number available between the bronze edge number and the review word in the top bar on the right, just on the left on the search field. Is this a recent addition because I have not seen it like that before? It is coming up in an orange color...

discussion support review

does anyone know how often it is refreshed?

@ShadowWizard: there is no harm apparently, meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/131795/…

Shadow Wizard

Cool, didn't notice this one. Oded rulz!

As for suggested edits count I don't think it's cached but rather with so many users reviewing suggested edits, you're just not quick enough

Laszlo Papp

it is cached as they write.

Laszlo Papp

1:52 PM

@ShadowWizard: I really do not understand your position. You do not want to get a handy feature in, nor do you take over the extra work needed. It is really a bizarr position.

so in essence, you are telling the end users "You must be happy to do the extra work".

that is everything, but end-user oriented, and it is sad to see it as a stance

Shadow Wizard

If you talk about this I just disagree with your feature request

I didn't even downvote as it's downvoted enough already, but I really don't think we need it

Laszlo Papp

The only thing I understand is your negativity, but I really do not understand why you want more work for end users.

who cares about downvotes.

Shadow Wizard

I see the suggested tags as a bonus, nothing more

Laszlo Papp

for me, discussing a feature is lotta more important than crappy downvotes.

Shadow Wizard

Sometimes it works and suggest good tags and sometimes it doesn't... end of story. Really no big deal.

I was trying to explain from the programmer's point of view, guess it better come from the actual SE dev team so sorry about that. :)

Laszlo Papp

1:55 PM

I do not enjoy this conversation, mostly because you seem to be a blocker for making end users' life simpler. That is a so totally wrong and fundamentally broken approach in my opinion that I am annoyed. That is a clear sign of closing the topic.

Shadow Wizard

If you can catch balpha or Nick here ask them to take a look in your feature request, I'm done and sorry to upset you.

Going to delete my comments as you totally missed my point there.

Laszlo Papp

I am happy to discuss topics, and people proving me wrong, and showing a better way, but clearly, here, no one provided anything better than me so far. Yes, suggesting +1 is not good because it is not +10 is not helpful. My suggestion would definitely make the end user's life better, even if just a bit step by step.

Charcoal HQ

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