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00:14
Found one selling for 24 000 NOK. I think that one's a bit overpriced...
Cheapest I found right now where around 250 NOK. But that was really, really minimal.
@Tinkeringbell I'd also buy some solder braid and flux
00:45
@ElementsInSpace Why do you think I'm trolling...
@AndreascondemnsIsrael and everything you need to get started
If you're desoldering something, touch of flux, heat up the solder, apply braid which sucks it up, snip the braid, and repeat. I did an entire keyboard like that :D
@Starship Maybe you’re angry at the company, maybe you’re just bored — I don’t know, I’m not a psychologist.
@JourneymanGeek I'd have to accept a high shipping cost and no consumer protection, though.
@ElementsInSpace Well I am angry at the company and bored right now, but no I'm not trolling
ah so
free shipping over 15 for me, and the full kit is 22
00:56
@cocomac and @VLAZ are members are charcoal maybe they know?
Anyways it decided to work again now...
I wonder if charcoal got a little heavily loaded by the spam waves
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, well, things are a bit different for us. ;)
But if you want a recommendation
This is literally what I dig up to do soldering
01:00
@Starship What am I supposed to know? If you're asking about metasmoke, it works for me.
On the 17th of December, 2024, approximately 02:00, Andreas watched something weird.
@Starship It might've rebooted when you were trying to access it. I forget when exactly it reboots, but it does so at least once daily.
@JourneymanGeek He's more acrobatic at his age than I am in my 20s. This is disappointing. Where do I learn to fly?
01:15
@AndreascondemnsIsrael In this country, we obey the laws of gravity
@JourneymanGeek Who cares about those stupid laws anyway?
Its all fun and games till you're floating around a tin can far above the world
Also, the video is trippy as heck
@JourneymanGeek Hallo, Spaceboy!
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Mankind reached space not on the shoulders of giants, but in the footsteps of a dog that never came home >_>
@JourneymanGeek If you'd like to, we can turn back time and undo the moon landing.
01:30
@AndreascondemnsIsrael eh, or brought Laika home
@JourneymanGeek That is not an option.
That's what they want you to think
We can send a rescue team today, however.
Would they have left Gagarin in space?
(covered up his dead? Sure. But he would have come home if he hadn't died)
And he chose
Laika sure didn't
Dogs cannot consent?
01:33
And this makes it ok how?
Not saying it does.
But it cannot be undone.
It can be remembered
We should send less lamented things to their potential deaths in the cold of space.
Like politicians, and insurance company CEOs
@JourneymanGeek World leaders-
@JourneymanGeek Great minds think alike.
(I don't actually endorse that, there's too much junk in space as is)
Space missile payload.
01:37
Make science, not war
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and "the practical study of the after effects of thermonuclear war" is not good science if there's no one left to publish or peer review it
But there will be people left to publish studies on the global population's perception of genocides.
You can even conduct studies on how to get away with genocides!
It'll be useful training material for future cabinets.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Dogs can somewhat consent
@AndreascondemnsIsrael If a dog has to be dragging to its training you can probably safely assume it doesn't want to go and if it is very obviously eager to go you can probably assume it does
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Obviously the dog can't fully understand but still
01:43
A dog is incapable of understanding what is going to happen after it jumps into the rocket.
@JourneymanGeek What's wrong with CEOs?
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Well yes I guess
@AndreascondemnsIsrael But what do you suggest they do then?
@Starship Not torture animals to death for seemingly no purpose?
@AndreascondemnsIsrael It wasn't murder...
@AndreascondemnsIsrael They weren't trying to kill the dog
Sure they were. They expected her to die.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Oh never knew that
@AndreascondemnsIsrael But still would you rather have a human die or a dog
@AndreascondemnsIsrael The purpose was avoid human death.
01:52
I'm kinda thinking neither.
If killing Laika saved Gargarian I'd say that's worth it
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Well they needed to test somehow
Quoting Wikipedia:
> As the technology to re-enter the atmosphere had not yet been developed, Laika's survival was never expected. She died of hyperthermia hours into the flight, on the craft's fourth orbit.
Could've solved those two first.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Okay fine that would make sense
@AndreascondemnsIsrael But I do think it would have been reasonable after developing technology to re-enter the atmosphere to test using a dog though
Hyperthermia, though?
So, I wonder when something concrete and useful will come out of that MSE post.
(Spoiler: I'm pretty sure it was another pointless discussion.)
@Starship there's a really bad, topical joke behind that I'd better not explain
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I cannot begin to explain how messed up that is
02:02
@Starship To be completely clear, I am not advocating for violence to address the health insurance issue in the USA, but see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brian_Thompson
@AndreascondemnsIsrael We'll need to see. I've a few suspicions, but I don't trust the company to have the attention span to follow up
@cocomac Neither am I, but in context I think its grimly funny
@JourneymanGeek Hence you should've just started your post with "Yeah, but you don't have the attention span to do anything about what I'm about to write, so I'm not sure why I'm wasting this time". ;) :P
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I like writing meta posts \o/
@SmokeDetector too slow
Besides, I sort of addressed the attention span thing
@Starship apparently there was a way to euthanise the dog, but they wanted data, and let the poor thing die alone in the cold of space
02:08
@Starship They could have sent Stalin.
Would have saved a lot of people, and he could have trailblazed the way for communism. IN SPACE!
I don't really think Iosef Stalin lived up to the ideals of communism.
@JourneymanGeek Realistically....
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Well he certainly lived up to what communism actually is...
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Did they know about the hyperthermia in advance (also the hyperthermia was probably because Laika burned up on reentry)
@cocomac Absolutely nothing that CEO did could possibly justifying random murder and anyone who thinks that otherwise clearly has no moral compass...its serious sickening that so many people support murder
@Starship Yes, it's quite basic chemistry.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Then yeah they shouldve fixed that too
Yeah NGL I was a little surprised that the mainstream opinion (online, I guess) was "killing that CEO was based, actually".
Kinda gross.
Thankfully the attention span for these things is pretty short and we'll all be talking about something else soon enough.
02:45
Your country has death penalty, that's no less gross if you ask me. ;) (Assuming the guy was a horrible person; didn't read up on it (yes, I saw the Wikipedia article one of you linked. Didn't read it)).
The argument is generally that, because he's the CEO of a health insurance company, that he has a hand in some peoples' deaths since this particular company has a higher percentage of declined claims, leading to uncovered medical expenses.
I find the whole health insurance business pretty digusting and offputting. It shouldn't exist in the first place. Killing a CEO doesn't really build a public health system.
Unless, of course, he's a big actuator of corruption and/or lobbyism.
I don't know, if you're in a desperate situation, stuck below a hard rock, sometimes calling for a death is the only viable option you can imagine.
Sending a missile on certain world leaders sounds mildly effective. At least more effective than sitting on the sideline only being able to protest with words against their crimes.
Even for a small country like my own, there are things we can do. Unfortunately, or government is too scared to do anything. Now where does a missile fit on that spectrum. Oh, right, way further on it.
How'd I get this association, again?
Speaking of health insurance, I can't get that. I'm not eligible. I sure do hope the local political wind turns around, because I ain't looking forward to more destruction of our public healthcare system.
03:05
@Spevacus I mean, it shows how little hope people have in fixing the system
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I disagree with it in many contexts. I definately disagree with the idea of it being mandatory in almost all contexts
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@AndreascondemnsIsrael Death penalty is generally used for mass murders or something like that, thats different than an innocent guy who just owned a company
@Spevacus Not being a charity != murder
@Starship Hypothetically, that guy probably legally let a lot of people die for profits.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael There is no situation in which intentional murder of someone obviously innocent is okay. None.
Also Death penalties are usually used for single murders.
03:12
@JourneymanGeek He also likely saved a lot of people who got money working at his company or got their insurance claims accepted
@JourneymanGeek Still...murder != not being a charity
@Starship oh, that insurance company was infamous for replacing employees with AI, and denying obviously valid claims
Not saying murder's fine, but that "innocent" is hardly a load bearing description
@JourneymanGeek And you propose murder to be a valid solutation to a disagreement on some semantics of a claim and a company being a company being a company and optimising its business
I literally said murder wasn't fine
@JourneymanGeek Innocent means "did nothing deserving the punishment given", in the same way that murdering someone who insults you, while maybe not totally innocent, is not ok
Oh, I'd want the company to die.
03:14
@JourneymanGeek Only saw that after I posted that
And people who think this stuff is fine prisoned
@JourneymanGeek Why? A company being a being a company is just how it works. In the same way I don't expect people to not file for insurance money out of a sense of charity to their insurance company
But I didn't advocate murder. I advocated science.
@Starship Cause they're manifestly unethical, and there's nothing wrong with them losing all their business and going bankrupt
(and make fun of them of course. )
 
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05:56
Japanese Stack Overflow celebrating 10-year anniversary by doing a contest with a prize full of unicorn.
...
that's wierdly cool and thoughtful
@MetaAndrewT. And you ain't telling @ꓢPArcheon?!
Oh, it's an SE post. Nevermind.
06:12
@SmokeDetector k
 
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07:42
@Starship Uh, what is it that I maybe know?
08:02
@Spevacus It's already been too long. So many murders each day, why does this guy leading a gross practice get all the attention?
@SmokeDetector k
@VLAZ The big goal of life.
Sorry, I don't know about that. I know about the big goat of life.
sounds baaaaad
08:18
@PetəíŕdtheWizard brews a cup of espresso for @PetəíŕdtheWizard
@PetəíŕdtheWizard It's balpha's fault.
@SmokeDetector why
@PetəíŕdtheWizard That's not a report.
08:27
@VLAZ Goat? Does it taste good?
I don't know. All life depends on it, so it's hard to say.
I just want a delicious Christmas dinner.
May I suggest the big turkey of dinner?
Although, me personally - I think I'll have the normal-sized pig with no responsibilities.
mhm, turkey is New Year's Eve.
@VLAZ Pork ribs are the best. But, well, I'll be celebrating with my family, like usual, and my sister and dad demand lamb ribs. Lamb's great. Unfortunately, the ribs are the least great part of lamb.
08:44
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I was kinda hoping they would do something stupid like requesting an unicorn themed winter haiku...
ah, the difference between Charlotte and Slate is HUGE. Slate responds to people, while the other CM's last comment on MSE was, wait for it... two and half years ago. So why on Earth should I waste my time giving feedback???
I just know I won't get any response. Ah, so annoying.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael You sound resigned to your fate. Is this one of the rare situations a fireball can't resolve?
@VLAZ Only if you like things extra chrispy
@VLAZ A fireball can get rid of the lamb ribs, but it ain't gonna swap it with pork ribs.
You have to strategically place a pig so it's near enough to the centre of the explosion to get cooked.
Fuck, you just reminded me I haven't been to the Christmas market in the city.
But far enough that it's not charcoal?
Anyway, I don't have enough space in my freezer to host a pig head until next year.
09:06
@JourneymanGeek Yes. Bonus points if you calculated such that the ribs separate nicely, bounce off an object and land where the lamb ribs used to be.
@ꓢPArcheon mhm... I don't get it, this time. The impossible has become true, I know. It's devastating.
@ShadowWizard One-way messenger. Human RSS feed.
@VLAZ why would a pig have responsibilities?
@ShadowWizard That's why I think parts of the community management model are broken. As the network got bigger there is more back end stuff, but they also need people who can connect to, communicate and actually thrive on meta
09:24
@AndreascondemnsIsrael totally.
@JourneymanGeek very true. And those who can't, well can't blame them, but better let those who can take the front and actually post.
Or really use the Community bot to post such announcements.
2
Same final result.
@ShadowWizard You mean the thing that the local crazy pony has been suggesting for like ... the last three years???
That would be humiliating! Can't do that!
Doing what the user said.... It would be a sign of weakness.
You all sound like you need some of Dr. Andreas's latest advice.
@JourneymanGeek Because we were talking about the big goat of life before. And the big turkey of dinner. But for my Christmas dinner, it'd be just a standard pig.
@VLAZ Full size, at least.
Yeah, normal sized. Not abnormally big.
09:34
You must be very hungry.
A it'll do pig?
@SmokeDetector k
@ShadowWizard I don't blame the staff, I blame the tendancy to downsize + the sheer disruptiveness of that + certain other decisions ._.
@JourneymanGeek You don't blame the staff that post endless discussions on Meta and then just walk away from them?
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Not really no
09:37
@VLAZ I assume the goat is Baphomet, and the turkey is Abraxas. Is the pig Babe?
One thing is a conversation in chat. That's informal. It's optional. Nothing has to come out of it. But a full-length discussion on Meta? Over and over again? It's just wasting peoples' time, effort and trust.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael That nothing comes out of it is also a reflection of lack of buy in from higher levels
@ElementsInSpace I was thinking of the goat being Shub-Niggurath. But I'm open to alternatives. I don't know what an Abraxas is. But the pig is just a pig.
I'm going to assume good intent
@JourneymanGeek Then why spend time on it in the first place? They know/knew perfectly well that none of these repeated discussions will actually lead somewhere. They know their own company's goals.
09:42
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Organisations are dysfunctional and political
Yeah, let's also not repeat this discussion.
I don't have enough data. Maybe they're working on a related project. Maybe they just want to know. Maybe they're frustrated and they too enjoy yelling into the void.
@VLAZ Ah yes, similar vibe. Babe is just a pig, a pig that can sing!
You herd wrong
@JourneymanGeek Ah, there’s Farmer Hogget with a quote now.
09:47
@ElementsInSpace The pig is clearly called "Peppa"
@ꓢPArcheon Ah yeah, the one with both eyes on the same side of the nose.
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@SmokeDetector k
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I'd also turn that around. I'm here cause I believe certain aspects of the network are worth saving. If I believe its without hope, I'd want to build something better, not spend my effort tearing down ruins
10:02
20 mins ago, by Andreas condemns Israel
Yeah, let's also not repeat this discussion.
I mean, I didn't start it :D
@JourneymanGeek A quick suggestion: you are not going anywhere with any argument that involves two parties who disagree on this. They won't make you change your mind, you won't change theirs. And to be fair, some (like me) would even argue that it makes no sense to think about them as a single entity (they are two separate realities with clear separate objectives: Prosus and Stack Exchange)
@ꓢPArcheon More that stack exchange as an independent entity has been dysfunctional, with different parts of the company pulling in different directions
I'm going to assume Slate has reasons for asking
@JourneymanGeek .... I'm sorry, but as far as I am concerned, al the arguing amounts to this.
please watch it till the end
10:17
@ꓢPArcheon I mean, if its so bad there's no hope, disengaging ... makes sense?
@ꓢPArcheon TLDW?
10:56
I think I just bought 15 kg of candy.
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@ꓢPArcheon indeed. :)
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Dr. Andreas and Mister Shadow?
@JourneymanGeek well I don't know the internal workings, and how come each CM is so different, I blame whatever cause this, yeah.
And major reason for being unable to trust the company itself anymore, is that even though I like Slate and trust her, she can simply disappear one day from SE, and we're back in square 1. It's just not enough. And I know she wants to change it and make SE really better, but sadly don't think she can.
(and have that nagging feeling that if/when she tries too hard, she'll meet The Boot. Shog images come to mind)
So what's on my mind currently? Better sit back and watch the place burn than getting into the fire and getting burned yourself. :D
@AndreascondemnsIsrael crush?
11:29
@ShadowWizard No.
@ShadowWizard It's quite simple!
"Word of advice: just give up and go elsewhere. It's gonna be good for your psyche."
going to Norway
getting arrested for serving in IDF
getting old in prison
@ShadowWizard Only if they can prove you committed crimes against humanity.
@ShadowWizard War crimes get you 30 years max in prison, you can probably leave after 20 if you're kind.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael guess they can define any military operation done by IDF over the years as such, and I did take part in at least one. (2006, I think, keep forgetting)
@ShadowWizard Individual soldiers don't tend to get prosecuted, unless you happened to storm into a village and abuse everyone in front of their families.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael good, so I'll be around 70 when getting out. Good time for Chapter B. ;)
11:35
Anyway, you'd be pretty safe here.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael no storm, no village. I "just" took part in firing artillery. 90% smoke rockets, 9% light, and 1% explosives.
The government just published their plan on combating hate and crimes against Jews and Muslims.
So don't worry, Jews have special protection here.
@ShadowWizard Sounds like it could've been worse.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael true, explosives weight the most. My body was grateful. :D
(I think smoke is 38kg, light 35kg, explosive rocket shell is 40kg)
@ShadowWizard They also have the highest chance of making the pain as short as possible for the receiver.
Though I'm pretty sure a 38kg smoke grenade is gonna do a good chunk of damage upon impact.
We were told after the operation that our whole unit shot 10k rockets, and were able to eliminate, wait for it... exactly 1 hostile.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael yup, can't know if anyone got directly hit by one of those...
11:48
@ShadowWizard Simply - there's different CMs with different skillsets
Some folks I know I can bug about certain things, some people are a mystery to me
Right, I just added together all the candy: 14,719 kg.
I mean, there's a reason I was pushing for community hires
@AndreascondemnsIsrael That's... not a grenade
@JourneymanGeek Smoke shell, smoke grenade.
Artillery shells are often referred to as grenades.
Big difference
You generally can't throw a 38 kg anything
Artillery can.
11:51
Then its not a grenade :D
@ShadowWizard Ok... In that case I wonder how many civilians you killed.
@ShadowWizard Causes permanent damage on constructions and items, too. Vehicles, buildings, parks, roads, etc.
If it's Gaza we're talking about, you're effectively destroying infrastructure for civilians; it's their city, and they got nowhere to relocate to after the war. It's just... sad.
@JourneymanGeek Sure it is. It's tossed over a long distance.
Unlike with a tank gun, you tend to fire in a straighter line.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael that's probably a question that goes nowhere good
2 hours ago, by Journeyman Geek
I mean, I didn't start it :D
@AndreascondemnsIsrael we literally rent land from new zealand to shoot at, cause we're too small for live arty firing
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Well it was a joke taken too seriously ._.
@JourneymanGeek Not Malaysia?
Or is that why you got tanks? :P
11:57
I think they'd be veryyyyy annoyed if we shot at them at peacetime
Also we like johor. They're nice. And cheap. And will sometimes tell the rest of their country to take a hike if they are too mean to us.
@ShadowWizard Anyway, what's happened, has happened, and there's no undoing that.
@JourneymanGeek I meant, rent land.
Or, have an alliance.
To shoot at?
Its complicated
We regularly invite our allies to fire on our land, free of charge.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I mean, its polite
Although I think Donald Trump wants us to pay him for the US troops to come make a mess on our grounds.
He has this strange idea that American troops in Europe means that European countries are renting American services.
Of course, renting them free of charge.
@JourneymanGeek I don't keep myself particularly updated on the relations between Singapore and its surrounding countries.
12:07
We also sort of rent a big chunk of aussie desert for tank training
Australia or New Zealand, you gotta decide!
@AndreascondemnsIsrael TLDR: malaysia kicked us out, and constantly gets salty over 1) us selling water back to them cheaper than they can process it 2) some rock
@AndreascondemnsIsrael We are friends with both emutopia and kiwiand!
@JourneymanGeek Sounds like somebody just likes being salty.
Also threatened to invade us once for no reason
Aren't they a dictatorship, too?
12:10
Nope
slightly dysfunctional democracy
Ah, so American tendencies.
SO they had a coalition of race based parties... which the malays dominated
Eeeeeeeek, race-based parties.
That sounds horrible.
which lost and fell apart when the old man switched sides to support his prodigy, whom he had accused and jailed for sodomy years ago
THEN he old man switched sides again to a new party
and the old man kinda hates us, apparently cause like 60 years ago, someone in singapore mistook him for the help
He doesn't sound like a fitting leader...
12:19
I did say dysfunctional
I mean, there's also the guy he (later) backstabbed. who ended up getting caught up in a big corruption scandal
Ah, politics...
Just the right place for maniacs.
And people vote for them.
@JourneymanGeek skill? It does not require any skill to just reply to comments, interact, etc.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael we were told that none, but then... can't really know.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael nah, it was Lebanon, and as far as I know, we never fired into any city/town/village only open areas.
@ShadowWizard Ignoring the painful screams of the community is a skill in itself.
@ShadowWizard More desert to hit, I guess. Anyway, yeah. You did share a story or two of this before. :)
@AndreascondemnsIsrael yup, up to 20km. Think in my case, max was 15km.
15? Isn't that pretty close?
Well, if the enemy got nothing to fire back with.
12:34
@AndreascondemnsIsrael even art, yeah.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael nope, we were on the border, not deep inside Israel.
Let me see a map...
Yeah, but, well, I think our new artillery has a range of 30 or 40 with standard shells. And with the experience from Ukraine, you want to fire at max range. But then again, that's an artillery-driven war, where you'll get retaliation shots by enemy artillery as soon as your position is revealed.
But a lower distance is probably reasonable if there's no threat to the artillery.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael yeah that is the range of our new mobile guns as well, I had the older version.
anyway:
That's where I was located.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael oh, they had. Several hit nearby, closest was 100 meters.
Fun times!
Nahal Pezit
@ShadowWizard Oh, that's very close...
Well, guess I'm happy you weren't shot. Else I wouldn't have anyone to share bananas with!
🍌
Oh, sorry, we're in the Tavern.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Korim
@AndreascondemnsIsrael yeah, lucky! :-D
13:03
@ShadowWizard I disagree
@JourneymanGeek I mean the basic stuff: "Thanks for sharing this, we'll look into it", nothing more. The lack in this trivial thing stings the most.
@ShadowWizard you learn to do this
@JourneymanGeek so SE lack teachers.
and you also learn to work with the community on the ground. These are - from someone who's a moderator, and got talked into applying to being a CM by a more than one ex-staffer, acquired, and honed skills
@ShadowWizard Well, I'd say to some extent mentorship, to some extent minimal coverage on that front
I mean, there's people who come into it with a certain degree of seemingly effortless skills :D
(Aarthi comes to mind as far as the CMs go, and Megan, the former product manager who SE stole from google, then they stole back)
But its acquirable
13:26
@ShadowWizard I disagree
Journey was so strongly disagreeing he swayed me too
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14:18
@JourneymanGeek that's like partying in the neighbor's house. I like this business model.
14:29
@M.A.R. yeah he has this skill of convincing others just by looking at them for long enough. :D

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