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00:14
Found one selling for 24 000 NOK. I think that one's a bit overpriced...
Cheapest I found right now where around 250 NOK. But that was really, really minimal.
@Tinkeringbell I'd also buy some solder braid and flux
00:45
@ElementsInSpace Why do you think I'm trolling...
@AndreascondemnsIsrael and everything you need to get started
If you're desoldering something, touch of flux, heat up the solder, apply braid which sucks it up, snip the braid, and repeat. I did an entire keyboard like that :D
@Starship Maybe you’re angry at the company, maybe you’re just bored — I don’t know, I’m not a psychologist.
@JourneymanGeek I'd have to accept a high shipping cost and no consumer protection, though.
@ElementsInSpace Well I am angry at the company and bored right now, but no I'm not trolling
ah so
free shipping over 15 for me, and the full kit is 22
00:56
@cocomac and @VLAZ are members are charcoal maybe they know?
Anyways it decided to work again now...
I wonder if charcoal got a little heavily loaded by the spam waves
@JourneymanGeek Yeah, well, things are a bit different for us. ;)
But if you want a recommendation
This is literally what I dig up to do soldering
01:00
@Starship What am I supposed to know? If you're asking about metasmoke, it works for me.
On the 17th of December, 2024, approximately 02:00, Andreas watched something weird.
@Starship It might've rebooted when you were trying to access it. I forget when exactly it reboots, but it does so at least once daily.
@JourneymanGeek He's more acrobatic at his age than I am in my 20s. This is disappointing. Where do I learn to fly?
01:15
@AndreascondemnsIsrael In this country, we obey the laws of gravity
@JourneymanGeek Who cares about those stupid laws anyway?
Its all fun and games till you're floating around a tin can far above the world
Also, the video is trippy as heck
@JourneymanGeek Hallo, Spaceboy!
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Mankind reached space not on the shoulders of giants, but in the footsteps of a dog that never came home >_>
@JourneymanGeek If you'd like to, we can turn back time and undo the moon landing.
01:30
@AndreascondemnsIsrael eh, or brought Laika home
@JourneymanGeek That is not an option.
That's what they want you to think
We can send a rescue team today, however.
Would they have left Gagarin in space?
(covered up his dead? Sure. But he would have come home if he hadn't died)
And he chose
Laika sure didn't
Dogs cannot consent?
01:33
And this makes it ok how?
Not saying it does.
But it cannot be undone.
It can be remembered
We should send less lamented things to their potential deaths in the cold of space.
Like politicians, and insurance company CEOs
@JourneymanGeek World leaders-
@JourneymanGeek Great minds think alike.
(I don't actually endorse that, there's too much junk in space as is)
Space missile payload.
01:37
Make science, not war
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and "the practical study of the after effects of thermonuclear war" is not good science if there's no one left to publish or peer review it
But there will be people left to publish studies on the global population's perception of genocides.
You can even conduct studies on how to get away with genocides!
It'll be useful training material for future cabinets.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Dogs can somewhat consent
@AndreascondemnsIsrael If a dog has to be dragging to its training you can probably safely assume it doesn't want to go and if it is very obviously eager to go you can probably assume it does
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Obviously the dog can't fully understand but still
01:43
A dog is incapable of understanding what is going to happen after it jumps into the rocket.
@JourneymanGeek What's wrong with CEOs?
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Well yes I guess
@AndreascondemnsIsrael But what do you suggest they do then?
@Starship Not torture animals to death for seemingly no purpose?
@AndreascondemnsIsrael It wasn't murder...
@AndreascondemnsIsrael They weren't trying to kill the dog
Sure they were. They expected her to die.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Oh never knew that
@AndreascondemnsIsrael But still would you rather have a human die or a dog
@AndreascondemnsIsrael The purpose was avoid human death.
01:52
I'm kinda thinking neither.
If killing Laika saved Gargarian I'd say that's worth it
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Well they needed to test somehow
Quoting Wikipedia:
> As the technology to re-enter the atmosphere had not yet been developed, Laika's survival was never expected. She died of hyperthermia hours into the flight, on the craft's fourth orbit.
Could've solved those two first.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Okay fine that would make sense
@AndreascondemnsIsrael But I do think it would have been reasonable after developing technology to re-enter the atmosphere to test using a dog though
Hyperthermia, though?
So, I wonder when something concrete and useful will come out of that MSE post.
(Spoiler: I'm pretty sure it was another pointless discussion.)
@Starship there's a really bad, topical joke behind that I'd better not explain
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I cannot begin to explain how messed up that is
02:02
@Starship To be completely clear, I am not advocating for violence to address the health insurance issue in the USA, but see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brian_Thompson
@AndreascondemnsIsrael We'll need to see. I've a few suspicions, but I don't trust the company to have the attention span to follow up
@cocomac Neither am I, but in context I think its grimly funny
@JourneymanGeek Hence you should've just started your post with "Yeah, but you don't have the attention span to do anything about what I'm about to write, so I'm not sure why I'm wasting this time". ;) :P
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I like writing meta posts \o/
@SmokeDetector too slow
Besides, I sort of addressed the attention span thing
@Starship apparently there was a way to euthanise the dog, but they wanted data, and let the poor thing die alone in the cold of space
02:08
@Starship They could have sent Stalin.
Would have saved a lot of people, and he could have trailblazed the way for communism. IN SPACE!
I don't really think Iosef Stalin lived up to the ideals of communism.
@JourneymanGeek Realistically....
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Well he certainly lived up to what communism actually is...
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Did they know about the hyperthermia in advance (also the hyperthermia was probably because Laika burned up on reentry)
@cocomac Absolutely nothing that CEO did could possibly justifying random murder and anyone who thinks that otherwise clearly has no moral compass...its serious sickening that so many people support murder
@Starship Yes, it's quite basic chemistry.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael Then yeah they shouldve fixed that too
Yeah NGL I was a little surprised that the mainstream opinion (online, I guess) was "killing that CEO was based, actually".
Kinda gross.
Thankfully the attention span for these things is pretty short and we'll all be talking about something else soon enough.
02:45
Your country has death penalty, that's no less gross if you ask me. ;) (Assuming the guy was a horrible person; didn't read up on it (yes, I saw the Wikipedia article one of you linked. Didn't read it)).
The argument is generally that, because he's the CEO of a health insurance company, that he has a hand in some peoples' deaths since this particular company has a higher percentage of declined claims, leading to uncovered medical expenses.
I find the whole health insurance business pretty digusting and offputting. It shouldn't exist in the first place. Killing a CEO doesn't really build a public health system.
Unless, of course, he's a big actuator of corruption and/or lobbyism.
I don't know, if you're in a desperate situation, stuck below a hard rock, sometimes calling for a death is the only viable option you can imagine.
Sending a missile on certain world leaders sounds mildly effective. At least more effective than sitting on the sideline only being able to protest with words against their crimes.
Even for a small country like my own, there are things we can do. Unfortunately, or government is too scared to do anything. Now where does a missile fit on that spectrum. Oh, right, way further on it.
How'd I get this association, again?
Speaking of health insurance, I can't get that. I'm not eligible. I sure do hope the local political wind turns around, because I ain't looking forward to more destruction of our public healthcare system.
03:05
@Spevacus I mean, it shows how little hope people have in fixing the system
@AndreascondemnsIsrael I disagree with it in many contexts. I definately disagree with the idea of it being mandatory in almost all contexts
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@AndreascondemnsIsrael Death penalty is generally used for mass murders or something like that, thats different than an innocent guy who just owned a company
@Spevacus Not being a charity != murder
@Starship Hypothetically, that guy probably legally let a lot of people die for profits.
@AndreascondemnsIsrael There is no situation in which intentional murder of someone obviously innocent is okay. None.
Also Death penalties are usually used for single murders.
03:12
@JourneymanGeek He also likely saved a lot of people who got money working at his company or got their insurance claims accepted
@JourneymanGeek Still...murder != not being a charity
@Starship oh, that insurance company was infamous for replacing employees with AI, and denying obviously valid claims
Not saying murder's fine, but that "innocent" is hardly a load bearing description
@JourneymanGeek And you propose murder to be a valid solutation to a disagreement on some semantics of a claim and a company being a company being a company and optimising its business
I literally said murder wasn't fine
@JourneymanGeek Innocent means "did nothing deserving the punishment given", in the same way that murdering someone who insults you, while maybe not totally innocent, is not ok
Oh, I'd want the company to die.
03:14
@JourneymanGeek Only saw that after I posted that
And people who think this stuff is fine prisoned
@JourneymanGeek Why? A company being a being a company is just how it works. In the same way I don't expect people to not file for insurance money out of a sense of charity to their insurance company
But I didn't advocate murder. I advocated science.
@Starship Cause they're manifestly unethical, and there's nothing wrong with them losing all their business and going bankrupt
(and make fun of them of course. )

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