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Journeyman Geek On Strike

12:42 AM

@Laurel Well generally yes :D

@Laurel Hope you're ok with the edit/pin

Morning @Spevacus

12:58 AM

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike Oooo fancy

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(and technically, while its a moderation action its in support of the strike?)

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike o/ It's evening for me.

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4:50 AM

stackoverflow.blog/2023/06/28/…

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Cody Gray - on strike

5:58 AM

@SPArcheon Sorry for the delayed response. I see that Mithical has already handled it. I get somewhere between 50-100 pings per day, and I rarely have time to go through all of them, so pinging me is, unfortunately, not as effective as I wish it were. I don't mean that as a request for you not to do it, only as an explanation for why it didn't work even after waiting a couple of days. Sorry about that!

@SPArcheon I have no idea what this means. Shog got away with posting these types of fortune-cookie messages because he went on to explain what he meant by them in great detail. Just posting the cryptic message doesn't exactly facilitate communication or help people to know what your objection is.

For the chat rooms on the SO chat server that I'm active in, I try to read the entire transcript each day, so I usually see messages directed at me. I don't do that with this room, because it's mostly chit-chat which isn't something I'm super interested in and definitely not something I have time to read. (I already spend hours each day reading things on SO/SE sites, including chat transcripts, MSO, etc., and that's in addition to having a full-time job.)

6:35 AM

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7:23 AM

That's pretty impressive - who?

That's an average of 1000 reputation a post - without bounties that 5 days of repcaps per post

that's impossible

Or VERY impressive

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike 100.

Even less. 245.000/2938 is just around 83.

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Ok, math is not my strong point :D

Still :D

Dyscalculia as well? ;)

Not sure I find it all that impressive tbh. You can have one or two that keep getting voted on, and loads of posts scoring just 2/3 votes, and get 83 on average.

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@CodyGray-onstrike you can go JNat style and just open each ping (from the inbox) in a separate tab, then go over them when having the time to do that.

@Tinkeringbell yup

Glorfindel ♦, Ermelo, The Netherlands

245k 60 600 1230

support discussion bug feature-request status-completed review design

Got +10 by now of course. lol

(not my upvote)

Without giving bounties, I'd be now at around 200k.

7:42 AM

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike Please ping me when you answer to my message.

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@PetLinux Why?

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@PetLinux ping

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike you got an order from Peter The Great!

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike . . .

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Peter the Great

Peter I (Russian: Пётр I Алексеевич, romanized: Pyotr I Alekseyevich, IPA: [ˈpʲɵtr ɐlʲɪˈksʲejɪvʲɪtɕ]; 9 June [O.S. 30 May] 1672 – 8 February [O.S. 28 January] 1725), commonly known as Peter the Great, was Tsar of all Russia from 1682, and the first Emperor of all Russia from 1721 until his death in 1725. He jointly ruled with his elder half-brother, Ivan V, until 1696. He is primarily credited with the modernisation of the country, transforming it into a major European power. Through a number of successful wars, he captured ports at Azov and the Baltic Sea, laying the groundwork for the Imperial...

I don't have something mean to say right now, but I'm not gonna let this go, Journey

7:44 AM

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike Because I can answer but I don't seen this answer. And I probably even don't see this answer if I accidentally didn't enter the room.

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@M.A.R. SO IT SEEMS!

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@PetLinux if you want to see answers, just read the messages in the room. Usually it's not flooded, so such messages should be easy to see.

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8:47 AM

@Feeds Improving the blogger experience in the Q&A sector

Oh, great... the wrong favicon just makes HNQ sidebar more interesting...

8:58 AM

Only moderators can handle flags, etc. "duplicate"? Or users with big reputation score can also handle flags? (except "Needs moderator attention")

I mean not chat, I mean QA sites.

9:13 AM

@PetLinux Users with enough rep and thus privileges can also handle flags.

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9:33 AM

@MetaAndrewT. well, it's not directly handling flags, but yeah.

@MetaAndrewT. thank you.

oops

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what is this? normally should be +100

9:56 AM

Oh my. there is ~1258 people with >=100K score on Stack Overflow. OH MY!

10:06 AM

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what is this means???

10:18 AM

@PetLinux someone downvoted your post?

@MetaAndrewT. but I don't posted anything after and before association bonus on this site.

ah! good idea to check.

But... Association bonus changed to 99 from 100? Or?...

@PetLinux the reputation notification is global, not linked to a site. It can be anywhere where you have posts

@MetaAndrewT. Okay. Thanks for your answers. Now I understand.

10:31 AM

@PetLinux bit complicated. If you flag a post as a dupe, it's gonna end up in the CV queue if it isn't already. If it is closed, your flag is marked as helpful. But only a mod can ever see that you flagged the post as a dupe, I think.

Okay.

10:59 AM

Okay.

Okay.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

Okay.

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@PetLinux maybe you downvoted an answer, that costs 1 rep.

train wreck

Okay.

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Welcome to LH by the way! I got some interesting questions there. :P

11:08 AM

Okay.

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Surprisingly enough, not all about toilets

@M.A.R. trains are yummy

Elements in Space

Okay.

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Okay.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

Okay.

Shadow-of-the-Shadow's-Shadow

Okay.

11:19 AM

Okay.

Okay.

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12:05 PM

Okay.

Okay.

...okay.

...okay. Enough trains or it will be moved to Trashcan.

lol

c-c-c-c-combo-breaker

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@PetLinux ☻

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12:12 PM

@Aibobot I'm now slightly annoyed that probably the first successful chat post on SE made from haiku/webpositive was.. okay

I should have said something a little more profound

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@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I apologize if my previous response did not provide a clear answer to your question. Could you please rephrase or clarify your initial request or inquiry so that I can better understand how to assist you? As an AI language model, I am programmed to respond to a variety of tasks and questions, and I am always happy to help in any way I can.

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scratches head

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@PetLinux ITS A BOT!

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike TEH BOT CAN PROVIDE JOKES!

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12:14 PM

Boot The Bot

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@Aibobot is a bot?

##ai Write a joke.

oh no XD

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@PetLinux no it's a Bob.

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack aiBOBot

1:12 PM

Okay.

Hah that was the last wagon

(That message was on timeout for two hours)

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@M.A.R. good connection.

WorldBuilding.SE having the icon of Writing.SE is funny as heck

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@MetaAndrewT. no repro. :(

Writing.SE new icon is.... brown.

Too brown.

oh, it's been fixed just now then :O

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@MetaAndrewT. no, it worked fine about hour ago too, saw Writing.SE on HNQ with the correct icon.

1:21 PM

yeah, caching on my side then

For a while, Brave kept showing NatGeo's icon instead of Google. My tabs looked really classy

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@MetaAndrewT. Think the server side cache is spread among several servers, according to location.

@M.A.R. very brave of Brave to do that. ;)

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@PetLinux Its my testing account

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike heh!

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1:36 PM

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike what can it test?

I found a lost one today but it has only 1 rep here, so can't chat. :(

Journeyman Geek On Strike

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I used to use it on untrusted accounts, and it gives me a non mod view of things

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discussion markdown sandbox support testing

You can pour a drink into it while hosting a party, although it's a real pain to fit in the dishwasher afterward.

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Used it to test se.com chat bug, by just joining over 20 sites, with 1 rep in each, I was able to chat in any se.com chat room.

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike how many times was it suspended "for science"? ;)

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..... lots

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1:40 PM

haha :D

1:53 PM

Sir, chat.stackexchange.com/users/146631/my-lovely-sock

(nothing to see here)

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in English Language Learners on The Stack Exchange Network Chat, Apr 20, 2015 at 21:11, by My Lovely Sock

Hello everyone, @Lamart! I should not be able to post this message. Taking screenshot. :)

Think Lamart posted the bug report on MSE.

Yup

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Q: I was able to post in chat with less than 20 rep by joining 20 sites

I joined 20 other sites (out of the many) and even with 1 rep was able to post in any of the chatrooms. For example: In ELL, I have just 1 rep and have posted messages in its chat. ell.stackexchange.com/users/18923/lamart This seems like a bug because I should have needed 20 rep to post. Shog9 i...

bug status-completed reputation chat privileges

2:10 PM

nooooooo! this is feature for bots

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2:22 PM

Next time don't abuse it. ;)

it's a feature so that employees can access chat

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@KevinB was! :D

But yeah, staff with less than 20 rep and without a diamond can't chat. Need a mod or staff with diamond to give them explicit write access. lol

e.g. in this very room, see aki.

huh! One single message, aimed at me. What an honor. :D

Nov 20, 2019 at 7:06, by aki

@ShadowThePrincessWizard ＼(^o^)／

Coffe & Mini Toasts time. Wish me luck.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

2:42 PM

try not to die

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3:00 PM

I'm alive!

Cottage cheese was also added.

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But what was it added to?

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@JourneymanGeekOnStrike on the mini toasts.

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Oh

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lol they added one calorie per toast sine that image was taken. :D

It's now 14 calories for a toast.

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OH NOES

(Pretty sure the cottage cheese adds a lot more)

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3:05 PM

I ate 10 so far.

(25 in the pack)

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at a sitting?

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@JourneymanGeekOnStrike I sit alone at office, does it count? ;)

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Depends on how many you ate

though I really would admit to my office eating habits being terrible

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@JourneymanGeekOnStrike five couple of hours ago (while there were still coworkers around) and five now, with coffee and the cheese. ;)

Journeyman Geek On Strike

not too bad then

though inefficient

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3:07 PM

Most food isn't efficient.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

enough mini toasts and you could be eating FULL toasts

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@JourneymanGeekOnStrike oh, I have these too sometimes, no worry. e.g. yesterday. :D

in Shadow's Den, 24 hours ago, by Shadow Wizard Strikes Back

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Well, half, but still much more than the mini toasts. :D

Also, worked from home yesterday.

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lol

meta.stackexchange.com/questions/390759/… makes me wish I could give a bounty to a question

Its really good and for a 'new' user they really get things as they should be

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@JourneymanGeekOnStrike you don't start bounties because of strike?

user1382556

Hey guys, @ruben mod invited me to the discord channel but I haven't heard back in two weeks.

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3:18 PM

No, cause its a question

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@JourneymanGeekOnStrike oh, give. Yeah, lol.

user1382556

I have also tried to contribute something with this answer in the post, you already know the subject ...

https://meta.stackexchange.com/a/390760/1382556

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@ArcanisGK507 and? You can just join the Discord channel, I don't think it needs approval.

The link is in the open letter, here it is to save some clicks.

user1382556

That's it, they should change the link here: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389721/…

user1382556

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user1382556

3:22 PM

It takes me to a downed channel.

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@ArcanisGK507 you can suggest edit, those not on strike might approve it at some point.

but the link I sent before works for you?

user1382556

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack yes+

Journeyman Geek On Strike

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack are you on strike? :D

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@ArcanisGK507 good! So you can edit the dead link to the link that works.

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And meta should be fine, there's a lot of high rep folks around

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3:29 PM

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike yeah, not editing/reviewing. :(

My hands tremble when I see the obvious off topic questions with 2 delete votes.... but so far I resisted the urge. ;)

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lol

Yanno the death note?

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Or even more when I see obvious dupe, and hammers calling me...

> Shadow... Shadow... use us...

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I literally have the equivilent of that

Probably will also need to throw @JNat a rediculous number of spammers for the parent of all backlogs

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@JourneymanGeekOnStrike no, the lost souls.

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@ShadowWizardStrikesBack more focused on spammers really :D

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3:31 PM

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike those nuked fast, somehow.

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike I can now delete them by clicking a single button, so that's a plus ;)

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Lost souls.... not really. There was one for 20 hours today, maybe still there.

Journeyman Geek On Strike

@JNat there's quite a lot of them

Oh, I'm aware, and have been nuking them as I run across 'em

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yup, two days old lost soul question. lol

Without plz-delete here, nobody will ever notice that.

.....and as if everything is fine and normal, SE is busy working on colors. heh.

(i.e. how to make the sites less accessible, after taking feedback and ignoring it.)

Probably next hot feature would be white buttons, with white background, white text. Modern. To see the text, you'll have to do some tricks, but hey, it's SE!

going for a walk... home...

Just before, here is the new submit button. Enjoy!

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(yes there is a button. Look carefully on the correct angle.)

Elements in Space

3:41 PM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack It says "Post your Anger", right?

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:D

4:29 PM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack technically Marc wrote the initial onebox code 😅

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4:56 PM

@balpha but you made it actually work? ;)

Journeyman Geek On Strike

5:15 PM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack .....

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5:44 PM

@JourneymanGeekOnStrike oh, the Medal of Dots, aka MoD. Thanks!

5:59 PM

sup nerds

been a bit

can someone explain to me how I was able to earn 330 non-bounty reputation on PLDI.SE today?

6:20 PM

@AlexisKing the daily 200-rep limit only applies to voting. Accepted answers, bounties, association bonus, etc. are exempted

so, you got 50-reps bounty, 100-reps association bonus, some from accepted answers and voting

aha! thank you, I guess I had forgotten after all this time

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@AlexisKing not even two years. ;)

Welcome back!

I got suckered into it because I saw PLDI in the HNQ list

and not 24 hours later I’ve nominated myself for moderator :^)

the time rep-breakdown is clearer :)

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@AlexisKing nice!

6:25 PM

we’ll see how it goes lol

but working on compilers is my job so it would be fun

I see the MSE beatings have been continued until morale improves

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@AlexisKing Well you might not have lots of time, SE is going down. But hey, we can have fun in the meanwhile.

yes, I don’t particularly want to cross the picket line! but I think a site with 227 visits/day is probably pretty small potatoes :)

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@AlexisKing not the point, and "meanwhile" can be years. But with SO quality gone, the whole network will be shut down, eventually. And currently that's the way SE is going.

it is sad, but to be honest I had essentially already accepted this a long time ago

it felt pretty beyond repair when I heard Shog left

7:00 PM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack nah, it worked great 😀 I might have a look at what's going on with the blog oneboxes if I'm bored. If I can get chat to run on my local box -- I haven't tried that since I came back

7:22 PM

@CodyGray-onstrike wasn't direct at anyone specifically. Just a rant by itself. The network does not know a middle ground, only bipolar opposites. Sometime it attempts to rule how people should think at a maniacal level, resulting in quite depressing circus shows like the current one. And sometime no guidance is given at all so everyone does what they wants how they want.

The reference to shog9 was about the "room culture" issue. Alas, you will find rooms where users will be careful to not use a single bad word... and you have ones where everyone swear like a drunken sailor

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7:37 PM

@balpha well there are two bugs I can see, one being that many times blog posts don't even get oneboxed, and other bug, probably not related, if it's oneboxed, author is often incorrect, showing Ryan instead of whoever actually wrote it.

Other than that, still working great. :D

@AlexisKing nah, it was going fine until AI.

it’s that bad, huh?

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@SPArcheon that's diversity. And can't see any problem as long as nobody is being insulted on purpose. There's such thing as room culture, and to a limit, should be allowed, IMO.

@AlexisKing worse.

honestly it seems like a pretty miserable situation in a semi-fundamental way.

AI-generated sludge seems hard to defend against no matter how you slice it

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Well like I said, here we can still have fun! No coffee as our coffee machine is on a strike, but look what I found!

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Baby Jeff! :-D

That hair... amazing!

8:36 PM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack I do not agree. If you contact some moderator (volunteer or employee does not matter) you should have a (mostly) repeatable outcome that not depends on the specific moderator and the planet allignment

8:56 PM

@ShadowWizardStrikesBack Lol, looks like his avatar just cutier!

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11:15 PM

Anyone want to opine why this is off topic, meta.stackexchange.com/questions/390770/… but these aren't meta.stackexchange.com/…

This is weaponizing close and delete actions. This is not how you signal disagreement. You can downvote, but it's not off topic because you disagree.

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