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12:36 AM
Nope
Why would they?
@einpoklum Honestly? Complain sure, loudly and politely
22 minute re-enactment of what happens in barfights on meta. (spoiler - we mods don't generallly get thrown through windows) :D
So here's my first impressions
It de-emphasises votes
Its significantly more information "dense" but in the sense that a lot of stuff is squished togetjer
 
1:12 AM
kinda surprised "closed" didn't end up going to the left column, given all the stuff shoehorned in there
 
 
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4:29 AM
@Feeds Onebox Observers
 
 
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@Feeds How to defend your onebox and find a security issue
 
6:41 AM
 
6:58 AM
@KevinB I mean, a screenshot in an announcement post that seemed to be doing well doesn't indicate the change is going to be controversial... Then again, a screenshot in an announcement post doesn't really do much to get people to actually experience a new design ;)
(And that screenshot made different promises even, on double-checking)
Hmm. now the smartass in me want to be a tiny bit mean, and hit 'post' on this...
 
7:35 AM
OMG what happened to the homepage??
Was the design change ever announced?
 
Yes and no, see above.
 
hehe was too overwhelmed to even look.
 
Users were asked to review a new design that was first implemented on /questions/greatest-hits...
But it's now also implemented on /home without even resembling what was rolled out to /greatest-hits
-98
Q: New post summary designs on greatest hits now, everywhere else eventually

Ben Kellytl;dr We’re starting a rollout of the new post summary design to many existing screens, starting with greatest hits. This will be a slow rollout, with only one set of related screens changing at a time. What we’re shipping now We’ve built a new component to replace the existing post summary imple...

 
Yeah, typical.
Didn't expect more from SE, so at least I'm not disappointed. lol
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8:30 AM
Meh, I don't care too much, I always use the Questions tab. Because I do like to see negative scored posts too
 
@Luuklag I'm quite certain they'll switch that to the new design as well
 
Probably, but to be honest it is far less worse on desktop then on mobile, so thats a bonus I gues...
 
9:07 AM
@Luuklag wierdly I feel it's the other way around
 
@JourneymanGeek on mobile you have all the stats crammed up above the titles, thats horribly hard to distinguish, or to scroll through.
 
Wierdly I prefer it to the random stacks of stats of variable heights
Also probably cause vertical space on a phone is 'cheap' and it's the opposite on a modern widescreen monitor
 
9:48 AM
Random observation, I just noticed the profile picture is now turned grayscale on ignored questions..? Or it just looked grayscale because it's so small..?
Hmm, yeah, everything is grayscale on ignored questions.
 
10:02 AM
@MetaAndrewT. and on deleted ones ^
 
10:13 AM
@Glorfindel huh, I don't expect deleted questions are shown there...
 
@MetaAndrewT. that's the websocket loading live updates. Not sure if you only see those as a moderator ...
 
@Glorfindel Yeah... that's annoying me
 
 
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12:02 PM
is there any way to revert the SO layout to the prior that sucked about 1000000x less?
because the new layout is... pain
 
Userscript.
I've created a userscript that brings back the old design. — Spectric 8 hours ago
 
Rob
12:23 PM
@ShadowWizardHatesOmicron This will fix you up: stackapps.com/questions/8287/2019-april-fools-day-retro-theme
 
1:08 PM
@Tinkeringbell -98 to -230 in 5 hours :-o
 
Yeah. I think there's something fundamentally broken with the way these changes are announced/put up for review: Usually these posts score positively until the changes actually roll out further, because the way they're announced/put up for review now doesn't allow users to meet the bumps they meet once the change rolls out.
That, and I think there's a difference between the group that sees these initially and the group that arrives once the change has actually rolled out.
I have no way/ideas to fix either though
 
@Tinkeringbell This one was really misleading, I never expected this to hit the frontpage without another big meta post. But in general it's impossible to test this stuff before it's deployed, screenshots are not enough and even this case with a kind of sandbox in the greatest hits page is not the same
 
The one before this had a 5m youtube video showcasing changes to the profiles, it went the same way.
 
But I don't really see the main problem with the feedback here, the newer designs all had fundamental problems that shouldn't require the community to tell SE that they're broken, they should know that already
 
Then it's just weird that those posts aren't gathering massive amounts of downvotes immediately.
Because if you're presented with screenshots, youtube videos, or a sandbox that is broken and users and SE know that already... where do the upvotes come from?
 
1:15 PM
It's much, much harder to get a good impression from screenshots, and a lot of the issues were not immediately visible in the screenshots with the activity page for example
 
Which brings us back to "I think there's something fundamentally broken with the way these changes are announced/put up for review"
 
ok at least a little better by using ublock origin to block the stupid yellow "watched" label that is completely pointless
 
 
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2:20 PM
I just figured out how to control my mac from my watch.
The answer is to create fake HomeKit accessories using HomeBridge and for example listen to the events associated with turning a light on and off and use that to trigger siri shortcuts that set music to play and pause.
 
But simply calling the command line siri shortcuts API from the HomeBridge event handler in nodejs doesn't work because There was a problem communicating with the application, but it works if I spawn a new node http server whose purpose is to call shortcuts, then HomeBridge just needs to make an http request. The call to shortcuts also has to be done with spawnSync instead of spawn because otherwise shortcuts decides to hang forever for some reason.
Despite being held together with duct tape, it works! When I tap the button on my watch the music starts playing in about half a second if everything's on the same WiFi network.
 
2:57 PM
Is this new?
 
Possibly!
 
How's everyone doing today? :)
 
Mediocre :P
 
Aww. I'm in my last week of in-person work at my workplace. Kinda excited to move!
 
3:01 PM
@Spevacus I believe what I heard when i walked into work was "You look like hell, take a nap" :D
 
Ooof. Sleep is important!
 
@Spevacus I'd had about 9 hours the previous night
 
@Rob Yeah, this works, but only for music played thru the music app. My solution works for music played thru third party apps too.
I can also trigger arbitrary code to run on my mac with this method.
 
3:17 PM
@Spevacus Hey, if you ask how everyone is doing today, the answer is always going to be somewhere in the middle :P
 
True.
 
Where are you moving to?
Somewhere sunny but not too hot? :D
 
Actually, yes! Moving a few states south of me. The winters are milder which is great, and the summers aren't too bad.
Gonna do remote work for my current workplace for a little while so they can transition out of having competent peo- I MEAN ... Transition out of relying upon me for a bulk of their current work and so that my institutional knowledge isn't lost.
 
Hahaha Of course, competent peons are hard to find. :P
 
3:32 PM
Hehehehe
 
On the one hand, having your job rely on you makes for a nice bit of job security... on the other....
That list would get too long but basically includes everything but job security :P
 
They're... Pretty bad at paying their people well. Hence the move (no other real opportunities here) + job switch (straight up not profitable to continue working here now that I've got years of experience).
They've got a support tech department that they've paid 15/hr for years now. They only recently gave them a weak raise.
 
Sounds reasonable /s
 
sounds lik ehere, but i'm too lzy to do anything about it
 
Oh, it's even a tiny bit similar to here... I know the company I'm working for now will always pay worse than what I'd be getting if I worked directly for the client they're renting me to.
But also... too lazy to do something about it.
 
3:44 PM
They've got a draftsman here, friend of mine. He's doing an engineer's job for a CAD drawer's pay. Essentially the president of the company will call him and expect him to work out a whole new design of parts/a new product and also expect him to factor in cost of materials when said president's ideas get him into a potential financial pit. Plus he needs to factor in material strengths and etc. that he doesn't have a degree for.
They refuse to hire an actual engineer, only people with "CAD experience"
The program they use, Autodesk Inventor, is also like... Exceptionally old and not in use anymore, and they require knowledge of it.
 
Oof, that's definitely a 1000 times worse.
 
Buuut... Onward and upward, right? :)
 
For you, sure :)
Doesn't sound like it can get much worse :P
 
@SonictheAnti-NewVariant-hog :D
@Rob Happy to help! :)
 
Great to see the help center getting some love. Thanks for doing what you've been doing lately. :)
 
3:48 PM
!!/tea
 
@V2Blast brews a cup of jasmine tea for @V2Blast
 
@Spevacus You're welcome!
 
4:35 PM
is it possible to ignore all tags in a collective at once
 
@KevinB Closing your eyes is probably your best bet :(
 
an immediate improvement would be removing the desktop threshold that moves the left shtuff to the left, leaving it all on top. At least then we wouldn't have so much dead space on the majority of questions. Step 2 would be re-ordering them so that the important bits are first, and bumping the font size up so they can be easily read. Then, remove score/answers from that list and put them back on the left.
and... remove teh tiny avatars
then, with score and answers no longer in the list, you can add closed status to it
 
Rob
4:55 PM
@Spevacus Dishwashers get paid more: indeed.com/career/dishwasher/salaries - and it's not like you wash them by hand.
 
5:51 PM
@Rob Dishwashers are on their feet pretty much their whole shift though, and loading/unloading the dishes is also pretty physical...
 
 
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7:36 PM
unfortunately, the physical difficulty of a job isn't often part of the pay, at least here in the states
 
@KevinB Oh, it's also not over here. My brother used to be a zookeeper, which was both physical and dangerous as he was doing dives into the aquariums... He's making more now as a programmer than he ever would've reached at the zoo
 
just the nature of service jobs. your zoo example, it takes a lot of people to run a zoo, but if the ticket price is too high, noone will come... so you can't pay people great wages. A software company on the other hand... generally are selling to other businesses as a premium, with a very small staff... so higher wages
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
7:51 PM
 
same with brick & mortar retail
 
@KevinB Maybe that is true... Then I guess I shouldn't be encouraging that behavior, and start consuming less service until they decide to pay fair wages ;)
 
part of what killed manufacturing here... factory worker wages were really good. when the opportunity became apparent to reduces those wages by producing overseas... the choice was easy, from a business PoV. You can be the "Good" business and keep making in the US, but the consumer isn't going to be willing to pay that premium for long
bit more complex than that, but same general idea for all the problems that resulted in this situation
 
digital marketing one gone, thanks ... yachting has remained up for 10+ hours
 
are we not marking articles promoting a 3rd party as promotions anymore
 
8:13 PM
eh, i guess that's pretty much every article anyway
 
8:24 PM
both gone now, thanks again
 
 
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9:34 PM
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11:21 PM
is there a greatest-misses page? the opposite of greatest-hits?
 
There's /tools/post-feedback/underrated, but that goes by anonymous voting/feedback
 

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