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3:38 AM
@Rubiksmoose actually there's another way 😁
If there's no active ROs the system can automatically nominate you based on activity
4:34 AM
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6:55 AM
@Ollie many owners, Den got even more. Want to be room owner in Den?
@JourneymanGeek well won't happen here... ;)
@Daniil what do you mean exactly by "vote count"? If raw reputation then @Rob's suggestion is good, if something else, please elaborate and we'll see. :)
Seems straightforward, that's the total, divide by 10 if you want upvotes (and assume that's all there is); alternatively you figure you've got 1000 DVs costing you 2K, which would be evened out by another 200 UVs - affecting the total by barely any. --- Otherwise simply use the exact method for the precise number, location, time, etc.
@Ollie no, last time I was thrown to the trash was when Rob and me discussed hot dogs over a month ago, but you might mean the Chimney? In this case, RO sometimes move the coffee/tea commands by mistake.
Also, I sometimes might visit Trashcan to look for the lost monkeys, but can do it via transcript. :D
32 - 34 hundred up, with 0 to a thou down. Need more precision use the other suggestion.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Yeah, don't play with your food.
and check before sitting.
7:11 AM
@Rob for whoopee cushion?
Peculiarly, that reminds me of The Thumbtack Prank but he was red-faced instead.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Phil level.
He bites.
@Rob who was?
Kind of lost here. activating Waze
You mean this?
@ShadowWizardWearingMask You're correct, his name is Luke: dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2006749/… nydailynews.com/news/national/…
Phil level = fill level
Why did the chicken cross the road ? To get to the other side.
Why was the monkey blue ? Because he didn't check the fill level.
Aug 20 at 14:16, by Rob
[sound of truck engine starting]
7:30 AM
@Rob huh. Two interesting things. First, he was assumed to be 20, while he was over 30, and he doesn't really look young. So it means poo on the face makes one look younger?! :D
Second: "with short dark hair and wearing dark grey sweatpants and no shirt or shoes" - how could they see the color of the pants? lol
7:46 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Yeah, it's just weird - and not worth doing.
@Rob depends. Suppose your dream in life is to have billion dollars, even only for a day. And you can get it in exchange for few years in jail. Might be worth it. :D
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Amusingly, Lionel Richie has over a dozen songs to accompany that prank.
8:01 AM
@Rob each and their own boat...
That's what the tidy tank man saw some of the time.
It might be time to flush the conversation ._.
8:32 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask No such command 'flush'.
@JourneymanGeek borked
Should we call a plumber? :D
(so uh, I do realise conversations like this are... fun but not everyone is comfortable with them. And it does seem to keep escalating from fun to "mean")
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10:29 AM
@JourneymanGeek not mean, but agree it's too gross for normal people.
Well in some way inappropriate?
@JourneymanGeek can be, yes.
and that's generally the point I was trying to make :D
10:52 AM
@JourneymanGeek valid :)
hmm... bad question on Chess:
Q: Why don't masters prevent the pin after Bg4 in the modern Italian game?

marmistrzIn the Italian game, according to the Lichess masters database, the play usually starts similarly to [FEN ""] 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Bc5 4. c3 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. O-O O-O 7. Bb3 However, this completely ignores the threat of Bg4, that can be played by black after 5... d6. This pin is somewhat n...

How come it wasn't flagged yet? There's a bad word in the title...
Well based on the official SE standing regarding certain word, not sure Chess.SE can exist.
Chess Master has a specific meaning
> For these reasons, we believe that continued use of master/slave and blacklist and whitelist terms should be discouraged wherever possible
.... Then we can't talk about master's degrees either 😁
11:01 AM
Question is, what word can be used instead of the M word?
Also discouraged - not banned
@JourneymanGeek yet
And context matters. Just blindly banning it makes no sense
@JourneymanGeek true. Goodbye Academia.SE as well... :P
> This site has been closed due to repeatedly using bad words
@JourneymanGeek umm... "bl$$$ list" does have context. Nobody thinks the list is actually in that color.
meh, I'm just annoyed over this, this will pass... :)
Like Facebook banning people who upload pictures of dark cakes.
But Facebook are evil anyway, so it doesn't really annoy me. lol
!!/coffee Ollie
11:09 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Macchiato for @Ollie
First, we give Ollie... Then we give Spe
sdc tea Spe
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of mint tea for @Spe
I'll take bit from both, so I'm good.
@JohnDvorak is your realtime-tab userscript still to be found somewhere and if yes, could it be a starting point for filtering as I suggest here
@rene do you mean this?
The regex would need complete reworking to still be useful, but the site filtering function could still be useful, though the icon could use a change if we were to make it into a general purpose script
Perhaps add a textbox to allow realtime editing of the regexp?
11:31 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask what does black or white mean here?
Could be red or green.
Or allow / deny
@JourneymanGeek sure it can be allow and deny, I don't deny ( :) ) this, but... that's a common term used by generations of programmers. Innocent term. And really can't see how it can offend anyone.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask well you clearly are not in a country with a history of systematic racism and slavery.
And the personal cost of changing is less for you (annoyance) than others.
@JourneymanGeek no slavery, true, but we do have racism here, big time.
Just not color based.
So it's worth considering other cultural perspectives here before getting all huffy 😁
@SmokeDetector So it's gonna be forever, Or it's gonna go down in flames
11:43 AM
@JohnDvorak ah, yes. Thanks.
@QueenieGoldstein huh? Think you replied to wrong message? :)
@JourneymanGeek continue^
Coffee can't be forever... :D
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Naah correct, flames==>smoke
This reminds me of that one guy who got fired for eating a watermelon at work.
11:46 AM
@QueenieGoldstein well, it's @Ollie's coffee... it's his decision what to do with it. ;)
@JourneymanGeek puffy.... fluffy... I'm fine. :)
@JohnDvorak h....uh.... ??
@ShadowWizardWearingMask also, you can forever "brew a cup of macchiato" for Ollie :P, that'd fit the song well
Turns out watermelons have a connection to slavery
I can think of... inappropriate things... to do with a watermelon, but eating one isn't on that list... :D
@JohnDvorak because they enslave the seeds inside them?
Because it was a common article farmed by US slaves, if I remember correctly
@QueenieGoldstein song? guh... so lost...
11:50 AM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Blank Space
Then there was a guy crackling his knuckles in a way that turned out to be a racist gesture. Also fired.
@JohnDvorak hmmm where!?
Texas, I think.
@QueenieGoldstein no coffee though. ;)
....The brew-coffee relation was with the line which says "so it's gonna be forever, or it's gonna go down in flames"
11:56 AM
This got me thinking, if I wanted to punish the lower classes, I could ban cotton products. Because guess what else was commonly produced by slaves?
@JNat something very unusual here, hope you can take a look. The chat ban message means automated ban due to flags, and based on the duration, it means over 400 (!) flags were raised and confirmed. I can't know details, but it's super fishy, e.g. bot/script used to flag which is wrong, IMO. Thanks!
Even if the user "deserves" it, that's not the way to go.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask 67 messages, six flags each?
@JohnDvorak wait, it's not half hour per message?
I was going by "400 flags"
Still, 67 in a row...
@JohnDvorak flags/messages... meh. Still, doesn't appear normal.
11:59 AM
That person is suspended on Math as well for voting irregularitites
Chat ban and math ban do not match
@QueenieGoldstein I know, but the banner for that is something like "this user is suspended on the parent site and can't talk for [duration]"
mores specifically, it would be 67 messages in the time it takes to flag the first one. Even if they were all low-traffic rooms at low-traffic times, it takes quite an effort.
Yes yes correct
@JohnDvorak or one bot and single click of a button.
How quickly can you post 67 messages given perfect knowledge of the rate limiting algorithm and a little script?
12:01 PM
67*10 secs
@JohnDvorak it's se.com so can post in different sites
10 minutes at max
Also, seen people who bypassed the rate limit somehow.
Like this
I think? It was long ago.
12:02 PM
3 second rate limit
+100 second for computer efficiency and network
280 secs< 5min
@ShadowWizardWearingMask you can find the last chats available here
@QueenieGoldstein not latest.

whatever, quid, backup plan

For when you cannot visit "whatever, quid" but still want to g...
Those are the latest ^
Still, not the issue here... can't see how 60-400 messages were flagged at once.
Don't really care otherwise, not my business. :)
I just bumped into this weird situation when.... lurking in random rooms. :)
@ShadowWizardWearingMask looks like the 30 min ban takes effect after 8 days
@QueenieGoldstein ?
@ShadowWizardWearingMask how did you see the number of flags? rep privelege?
@QueenieGoldstein no no... math.
12:11 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask sure, sure ... "random"
@ShadowWizardWearingMask quid said that there is 30 min ban for flagging right and a 8 day inherited ban
From what I know, each message deleted due to flags = 30 minutes, so I calculated. 2*24*8
And added some for good measure. :)
Ohhh, but the user was banned previously on main site WITHOUT A REASON banner
@QueenieGoldstein so there's a bug with the ban reason?
in whatever, quid, backup plan, 7 mins ago, by Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask
Unless you mean there's a bug, and if in the time of suspension there was automated ban, the reason is "stuck" on the automated ban? @quid
If it can be proved, bug report is due.
After a day(near 28) hours, I saw "voting irregularitites"
@ShadowWizardWearingMask hmm looks like....we need a moderator and a puppet account xD
12:13 PM
@QueenieGoldstein where did you see it? Chat profile doesn't show the suspension reason, I think.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask math MAIN
@QueenieGoldstein well, sure, saw it too. Still, not what I talk about. :)
No, am telling an additional bug for updating the reasons
I dont think people can get banned from parent site from chat reports....can they?
@ShadowWizardWearingMask this is not required I guess, quid said clearly that he manually banned for 8 days....after that the 30 min ban was added....if SE uses stacks,...the 30 min ban shouldve completed...if SE uses Queues, the 30 min ban completes last....apparently, the banner uses Stack...so report-message-ban.. was on top of stack
I hope you know stacks and queues which I am referring
Learned about FIFO and LIFO for the degree. ;)
Yaa so that's what am saying
So maybe an implementation flaw
12:19 PM
Flaw is nice word for a bug. :D
the chat suspension stacks.
I always presume that Flaw $\neq$ Bug
@JNat hey, sorry, you can ignore my previous message. At this point I was convinced that's it's actually a bug. No evil bots in play.
A phone that doesn't transmit your voice to the person you're talking to is flawed. A phone that transmits it to the person you're talking to and to NSA is bugged.
Your software is full of NSA!
12:22 PM
@JohnDvorak that's though.
@MetaAndrewT. hey, you popped up in a good timing!
looks like quid is agreeing to stacks and queues
@MetaAndrewT. You're the NSA! (No you. Yes you. I AM ON TO YOU!)
Yes! National Sports Associations!
@QueenieGoldstein good!
!!/coffee Queen
@ShadowWizardWearingMask brews a cup of Ristretto for @Queen
12:28 PM
You deserve it ^
OOooo nicee
But, if you have a stack full of queues, how do you pop it?
@MetaAndrewT. thats a bookshelf?
Are you long time member here in Tavern, @Queenie? I don't remember you so well, but wasn't very active lately. :(
popped a bookshelf
12:30 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Guess who am I, visit me
Also, the profile page is in italics, so you might recall xD
@MetaAndrewT. pooped on a.... oh
dang, the Den ruins me. :P
@QueenieGoldstein so, you're new. In case I didn't yet, Welcome! :)
Yesss, new "new contributer" :P
wait... @Bart knows you too!
Jan 29 '15 at 19:49, by Bart
Never fear, queenie's here
Can Bart... see into the future?!
Seems like wowww
Yeah typical with Bart
12:40 PM
Jnat is here
@ShadowWizardWearingMask btww this works for everyone?
@QueenieGoldstein brews a cup of Latte for @QueenieGoldstein
hahaa xD
Can smoke detector bypass rate limiting?
@QueenieGoldstein he's always here. ;)
@QueenieGoldstein yup, it's a "fun" command, only the "non fun" commands require privileges. :)
@QueenieGoldstein nope
Q: Chat ban reason still showing "automatically suspended for posting inappropriate content" even when it's not true anymore

Shadow Wizard Wearing MaskWhen a user is suspended on a main site, the chat profile will show such a banner: This user is suspended on the parent site and cannot chat for [duration]. That's good. Now if while being suspended on the parent site, the user also gets one of their chat messages flagged and deleted due to the...

@ShadowWizardWearingMask what are non fun commands? !!/ @havefun
@QueenieGoldstein I'm SmokeDetector, a bot that detects spam and offensive posts on the network and posts alerts to chat. A command list is available here.
12:58 PM
> Commands for everyone
My fav is lick.
@QueenieGoldstein licks ice cream cone
@QueenieGoldstein No such command 'off'.
Oh hey don't turn Smokey off. ;)
12:59 PM
@QueenieGoldstein brews a cup of Ristretto for @QueenieGoldstein
@QueenieGoldstein brews a cup of jQuery for @QueenieGoldstein
@QueenieGoldstein brews a cup of Espresso for @QueenieGoldstein
@QueenieGoldstein brews a cup of Latte for @QueenieGoldstein
More than a few times a Den bot was silenced by mistake.
Hmm no rate limiting?
@QueenieGoldstein no, they still count on us to behave. ;)
@ShadowWizardWearingMask W.r.t to the previous message you said SD cannot bypass the limit
I think multiple comments can be edited using different tabs...what if i write \!/!\the coffee command on all edits and press "enter on 5-6" such tabs within 5 seconds...
@QueenieGoldstein the chat rate limit is..... very creative. It's not fixed/static, it depends on many factors. In short, it starts to kick in only after few messages.
Well maybe Smokey got something indeed.
1:04 PM
1 message uploaded out of 4
@ShadowWizardWearingMask smokey smokin
Does Anyone know any SEDE query which checks all interactions of one user with the other (top 100 maybe) across all sites?
@QueenieGoldstein Looks like a good way to crash SEDE, must be a monstrous query to check such thing. ;)
But if anyone might know, it's @rene
@ShadowWizardWearingMask there are even montrous than what I have queried...some which timeout
@QueenieGoldstein no worry, been there... almost every query over Posts table of SO resulted in timeout for me.
1:18 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask if you use query to show all posts of SO, it will timeout...but if you put it as FROM SO select 100 Posts sort date...(forgot the syntax)....then it wont crash
@QueenieGoldstein data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/1219011/have-we-met but is not across sites.
@rene Thank youu, I'll try incorporating it using data.stackexchange.com/meta.stackexchange/query/1089480/…
across sites you can link users.accountid
@QueenieGoldstein maybe... maybe not... maybe bot.... :D
@ShadowWizardWearingMask might remember me meta.stackexchange.com/questions/353659/…
1:45 PM
@ShadowWizardWearingMask so poetic..or should i say boetic
okay that one sounded better in my head
2:05 PM
Did it? :)
@Rob Yeah :o
I wanted to go with boteic but that sounded worse, so yeah
@Rob Ha! yeah i don't use SO as much as SE ;)
Etic is a word, and you've not earned any reputation on SO.
@Rob I earned 1 though :P
that's something
2:15 PM
The 101 is given for joining, there's a Meta post about why we don't start at zero, or various slightly higher numbers.
Plus you only have one badge, when it's easy to have a few.
^^ Good humoured pointing out of information, not a criticism - you don't have to do anything there.
@Rob you start at 1 😁
2:33 PM
Toxic answer @SmokeDetector?
@QueenieGoldstein omg, it's you! :D
@NordineLotfi boteic
@ShadowWizardWearingMask Thanks for the coffee.
How would I become a room owner in Den?
A current ro or mod needs to set you as one
Why won't the scroll button in Similar Questions scroll all the way down?
No doubt it involves flush.
2:43 PM
In Firefox.
Anywhere. :D
@Rob Do you have the problem too?
@Ollie Do you mean here?:
Hang on, I'll get you a screenshot.
Link please.
2:50 PM
Aggh it's taking a minute.
As you can see, the scrollbar isn't all the way up.
[feels machinery working - wonders if it's an "Ask Question" related question.]
It's unclear where that screenshot is captured from.
The Ask Question page in Firefox.
There's an invisible button just above the scrollbar. The scrollbar itself goes from end to end.
@JohnDvorak why is it invisible?
You know that there are arrows on each end of the scrollbar?!
2:53 PM
Should he not?
@Ollie 🤷‍♂
But is there any particular reason the scrollbars are hidden?
Design choice by SEI
Dodgy design choice in my opinion.
Just you wait until they double the line height just because.
Oh, wait...
2:58 PM
@JohnDvorak We already complained.
And it was reverted. Partway.
@Ollie This is all I see.
@Rob are you in Firefox?
You're also on mobile aren't you.
FF Android, desktop view mode.
3:02 PM
I'm on a laptop.
@JohnDvorak are the scroll buttons hidden to you, in Firefox?
Essentially it touchscreen desktop, though sometimes I do get scrollbars that a spot where I touch and slide; which is hardly convenient.
The scrollbars are supposed to be invisible, but the still appear if you ... hover them? Not sure.
They don't appear when I hover over them.
@Aibobot This happened again on SO: i.stack.imgur.com/bxcUK.png, and the timeline (i.stack.imgur.com/mgvab.png) indeed says deleted, undeleted, deleted. Is this worth a bug report on MSE?
One mobile app I have used an invisible scrollbar, but they changed it to a knob that doesn't have any effect until you tap the scrollbar area, then appears and acts like a scrollbar.
The latter design is, me thinks, perfect
3:07 PM
@Ollie Quick, approximate, answer: stackoverflow.com/q/47576815/3648282
If I were on desktop I'd mouseover the area and use the mousewheel to scroll.
They are optional, use view-source to see what they used to create the scrollbar; they may not have enabled arrows.
Going now
Does anyone ever actually use a scrollbar these days? Sometimes I peek it to see how long the page is, but that's it.
@JohnDvorak scrollbars are for those people who can't scroll properly on a laptop.... It's me, I am "those people"
why's that?
I don't know how to, I have been using desktops since 10 years ..
3:21 PM
I always used the wheel, with dynamic velocity, but I've been on a cellphone for over a year; the newest webpages may have removed the (usually too wide) scrollbar ugliness.
Try swiping the touch pad with two fingers at once
@Rob No worries :D I don't mind asking question/answering on SO, but i feel closer to do so on SE (especially on things such as vi.se and emacs.se etc)...
@JohnDvorak hmm yes...works, probably I knew it before as well ..😂but forgot
I haven't actually touched a desktop in a few years. Except for one Mac, from which I ran away in terror as soon as it was polite to do.
@ShadowWizardWearingMask hmm i guess boteic does sounds better :O though it sounds to me like the name of a plant or something
3:24 PM
shudders Safari
Last time I saw scrollbars they usually looked like the left image, and seldom like the right one.
3:46 PM
@NordineLotfi It sounds like this 💃🕺
@QueenieGoldstein I still use scroll bar on certain time, but now I'm more used to using touch-pad to scroll
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