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Rob
12:08 AM
There are quite a few Bobs chat.meta.stackexchange.com/users?tab=all&sort=recent chat.stackoverflow.com/users?tab=all&sort=recent - never noticed, apologies bob. Difficult to list them, especially when the Filter catches stuff like Aibobot - I do know a Bob Ott.
 
Rob
12:30 AM
 
@Journeyman?
 
1:18 AM
@Ollie taken care of. In future just flag... Sometimes trolls read chat 😁
 
1:54 AM
> The amount of effort to build and maintain our own renderer when we still built our own Markdown renderers made this change prohibitively expensive. Teams customers asking for this feature allowed us to spent time on fundamentally revamping our Markdown rendering functionality and to get all the foundations in place to finally support tables.
So the real impetus to switch to a standard form of Markdown in order to support table formatting came from paying Teams customers, even though this was asked for long before Teams even existed.
To be fair, in the early years, Jeff refused to allow table support, and in the couple years following his leaving, SE was in a "what would Jeff do" mentality, but in the years following that...
 
 
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6:13 AM
@Feeds 🚽
 
 
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7:40 AM
@JNat Cross-site spammer: stackexchange.com/users/19548391/…
 
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog they already abused tables to do layout. Having tables in a table cell was unlikely to go well with the given browser back then. Technical debt can be a pain.
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog likely, also: I think both Jeff and Balpha hoped that CommonMark would emerge quickly and define a standard for table markdown. That still hasn't happened. Waiting is not always bad, just don't overshoot 6 to 8 weeks ...
 
@rene Well, OK. But as far as I'm aware, tables were no longer being used for layout since at least January 2018 (I suspect a lot earlier, since the minor redesign in 2015-16).
@rene Still, though, paying Teams customers are what pushed them to be early birds and push out tables with GitHub Flavored Markdown, rather than continue waiting until CommonMark supported tables.
 
8:00 AM
I'm very glad they have paying customers that support the brilliant ideas we already suggested.
 
that's the ideal isn't it? :D
 
it is.
 
@rene waiting is bad. ._.
/me is impatient :D
 
if you're in for a waiting game, you're in the right spot ;)
 
8:13 AM
@TCPMAN.EXE Battle routine set! Execute!
^ and for that you deserved an even lamer one.
@Rob New Discworld sequel?
 
Rob
8:37 AM
The Editor (with tables) has been working for a while in Teams; I think we have both a different version of the underlying software, and obviously a different UI, but the old version (Team Editor with table support) is available and working - you can edit there, paste here:
Thanks for the effort, the upcoming Editor might help a little; but wasn't able to parse and render the contents of this answer. — Rob 7 hours ago
 
 
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10:09 AM
@TCPMAN.EXE so it was totally worth it! :D
@Catija why code freeze?
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard You want your holidays interrupted fixing bugs? ;)
 
@Tinkeringbell not everyone are in holidays... :D
 
Prevents rogue development too then :P
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard americanocentrics....
I guess
 
Hey, as long as we get soot-striped friday discounts, I'm okay with that ;)
 
10:23 AM
Only if I get a Piet with that ;)
 
Sure! Your packages will be delivered through your chimney within 24 hours ;)
 
when its on fire?
 
No, they only deliver at night, when everyone is asleep
 
@JourneymanGeek No, you're confusing Piet with Floo powder...
 
hm. So, work was quiet so I decided to do some work on my server... (I know I know :D )
so... i managed to create an account to migrate stuff over (and I generate the password randomly off a website that generates random passwords)... set up the db, then realise I didn't have/know the password... and accidentally deleted it
resetting postgres passwords is easy with admin rights but facepalm
 
10:45 AM
nice job @JourneymanGeek
 
anyway, its my own server
 
time for a re-install then ;)
 
He just did one recently! (IIRC)
 
11:03 AM
@Luuklag my last server dropped dead suddenly
 
@Tinkeringbell I'm sure that @Shadow will work hard to provide his yearly quota of hats-related bugs to fix.
 
Had a backup of the blog, list of rss feeds...
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе I doubt Americans are that generous with PTO... I bet they have to work again next week :P
 
@Tinkeringbell I know, but the url winterbash2020.stackexchange.com still doesn't show even a countdown, so there is nothing we can break yet ;_;
 
@Luuklag oh. Rebuilding stuff as per role containers, got a plan for automated backups ...
 
11:07 AM
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе It hasn't even been thanksgiving yet, give it time.
 
The base build was a bit of a pain since there's no clue zfs install method....
New server is also in Tink's country 😁
 
I'm not driving out there to hit the reset button.
 
@Tinkeringbell Speaking of which, where is the chicken when you need it?
 
In the freezer?
I think there's always some chicken in the freezer here, just in case.
 
11:34 AM
@JourneymanGeek That also be mine then ;)
 
11:51 AM
@Tinkeringbell So.... not only SE employs animals as unpaid workforce, including but not limited to rare parrots, dogs, occasional cats, owls, hedgehogs and even some rare endangered candy-colored pony..... it leaves poor chickens outside in the snow during winters... and then put them in the freezer too?
someone, call WWF.
 
It's an artificial chicken
 
@JohnDvorak Reploids have rights too! Maybe that chicken saw things you humans can only imagine....
 
things so horrible they left the poor chicken shellshocked?
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе Please, don't... they've already artificially increased the prices of chicken by a lot.
 
@Luuklag Yaakov isn't in America... ;)
 
11:58 AM
@Tinkeringbell Chicken should practically be free right now, there is too much production
@Shadow10YearsWizard No, but most of SE is.
 
@Νеvеrꭑoꭇе meh, last few years wasn't really into the hats... but who knows. :)
 
@Luuklag It's a thing that has baffled me for ages... while some companies get reprimanded for 'kartelvorming' and 'verboden prijsafspraken', things like OPEC or Wakker Dier can increase prices artificially by just making sure every chicken needs a label or less oil is pumped up...
 
@Luuklag pity.... :D
 
@Tinkeringbell Well OPEC is international, so no single government can control them...
 
@Luuklag It's still stupid if you ask me XD
 
12:00 PM
And for animal welbeing costs shoul be considered
 
or a new proprietary list of things they can't eat or sleep on
 
@Luuklag the costs aren't the chickens themselves, it's the meat processing, storage, and delivery. I think.
 
@Luuklag Sure, but the result shouldn't be that no one gets to make the consideration themselves (more affordable food vs more animal wellbeing). If I go to the supermarket now, I can't find the meat without labels anymore and make my own choice!
I think that's called 'betutteling'
 
!!/coffee g3r
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard brews a cup of Espresso for @g3r
 
12:02 PM
sdc tea g3rv4.2
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard brews a cup of darjeeling tea for @g3rv4.2
 
She can't have coffee yet ^
I wonder, what's the minimum age you would allow your kids to have coffee?
My wife says only 16, I would allow even at 12 if it was up to me. And got friends who gave their 6 y/o kids coffee, though only to taste, not a full cup.
 
o/
def no coffee to the little one
heck, she hasn't even tried chocolate yet
 
@g3rv4 how old is she? Year and half, no?
I think we also gave ours chocolate only when they were 2 or so.
 
yeah, she turns 2 on Jan
 
12:07 PM
Nice... my mother will turn 80 on January. :D
 
sigh, what a time for birthday celebrations
 
She runs all around the house by now, I guess? @g3r
 
yep, and talks a lot
 
Talks, or chatters? ;)
 
I... wouldn't know the difference... googling
 
12:09 PM
Not 100% sure too, but think chatter means words without much meaning or context. :)
 
> is that talk is a conversation or discussion while chatter is talk, especially meaningless or unimportant talk or chatter can be one who chats.
 
ah, she definitely talks about important things
 
She asks how the world was created? Or how much water the oceans got?
:D
(my son started asking those at 5, still finds new questions at 7)
 
she keeps up to date with the news... in that vein, she has some thoughts on vaccination plans :o)
 
12:11 PM
Somehow the oldest daughter (now 10) never really asked such questions.
 
lol no, none of those questions yet. She's more concerned about her life and what's going to happen (or not going to happen) next
 
@g3rv4 lol, the good thing from the insane world wide race for vaccine is that we now have lots to choose from.
@g3rv4 My 3 years old too, she's always worried she won't go to the kindergarden.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard :( due to covid restrictions?
or in general?
 
@g3rv4 well, let's see.... we had two full lockdowns (all of Israel), each about a month... and two separate personal quarantines, two weeks each.... so three months were lost.
 
ouch
 
12:18 PM
Yeah, think that in the long run, the small kids get the biggest hit, mentally.
Being with other kids their age is crucial.
 
definitely, we got lucky because we didn't have any lockdowns or quarantines yet
 
In the future, psychologists will have lots of work with the Corona Generation...
 
dramatic much? ;)
 
@g3rv4 nice, lucky indeed! :)
 
Kids that age are bit like dogs and fireworks @Shadow ... as long as you yourself don't overreact, they won't experience much lasting harm either ;)
 
12:21 PM
@Tinkeringbell not direct impact, I mean the lack of organized frame like kindergarden
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard Still, she's young enough... she won't even remember.
 
@Tinkeringbell it doesn't mean it won't have an impact :)
 
Perhaps not now, but Shadow's talk about future psychologists having work with it... that's just drama ;)
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard No such command 'drama'.
 
12:30 PM
:(
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard One time while transiting flights at the Munich airport, when I was 11, my parents got me a hot chocolate while getting a coffee for themselves. Unfortunately, they had confused the cup of coffee for the cup of hot chocolate, and I drank the full cup before they noticed
Caffeine messes with sleep patterns if you're not accustomed. So I'd not recommend it for kids in the evening or even the afternoon, only the morning if they really insist.
Hot chocolate is a good alternative
...and goes better with stroopwafels than coffee does
 
Rob
Eat yer chicken, Leeroy.
 
Here in the U.S., one can argue that the chicken farmers are being treated worse than the chickens
Chickens are routinely well-fed, enough that they grow fat (and produce more meat), while farmers are straddled into "independent" contracts much like TNC drivers, only worse.
 
12:45 PM
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog I do hope you don't mean the battery chickens...
 
@ArtOfCode No, not egg chickens, but meat chickens. Those are kept in houses - crowded houses, but nothing compared to cages.
We always buy free-range eggs, and it recently became illegal to open new battery-cage egg factories
 
@Tinkeringbell Its still available, just don't go to the supermarket. They take their social responsibility in making it easier for people to buy meat that had a (marginally) better life. Not that I personally care much about it.
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog Just don't mix coffee and kids ;)
I think I started drinking coffee when I started working, so that would be 13 or so
 
I've done my research into the brands we get
 
@DavidPostill nice overlay of text over Image ;)
Here in NL we have two seperate labels for those things. We have scharrel, which is free range in the most limited sense, and Vrije-uitloop which is closer to the principles of biolgical agriculture
 
1:26 PM
@SonictheK-DayHedgehog heh, nice that you remember it... what did they do when they found out?
@Luuklag nice, what was your first job? I started working during holidays when I was 14, as swimming pool assistant.
But it wasn't related to coffee, I started only later.
 
My very first job was delivering the local newspaper after school. But then I started working in a tree-nursery
that's where the coffee addiction originated
 
@Luuklag what's tree-nursery? Googling
 
Put a ! in the beginning to onebox those ^
(as it doesn't end with a known extension of image)
 
1:33 PM
oops, bad advice. In your case you should put the actual image URL: ruppertnurseries.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/…
You first linked to HTML page with the image.
 
yeah, google is always so helpful with their share buttons
 
It's pretty recent change meant to protect images from theft, you can't directly share the image results anymore.
 
But yeah, putting trees in rows, looking after them, removing weeds, and then taking the trees out again
 
Anyway... what did you do there as 13 y/o boy? How you even got to work in such a workplace? @Luuklag
 
thats basically it.
 
1:35 PM
oh you answered before I asked. lol
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard My dad had a similar company. And I worked for the next door neighbour. So just walked up there one day and asked if he could use some hands
 
And yeah, this indeed requires some boost to the body.
 
And yeah looking back as a 13yo you don't do much, and also don't earn much
but by the time I was 20 or so You do a lot more.
 
I spent my money on Magic The Gathering cards, some PC games, and saved the rest.
 
I ended up spending most of it on my university tuition.
 
1:37 PM
Money comes and money goes.... :)
 
especially the latter xD
now in the proces of repaying my "Studieschuld"
 
Weren't you around my age? Didn't you get the 'gift' part still?
 
@Tinkeringbell Yeah my bacherlors, and first 2 years of masters
But studying 7,5 years doesn't help
and having to rent a room etc doesn't help
 
Yeah, that's true... 7,5 years... wow.
I was glad I survived 4.
 
Well being a fratboy didn't help ;)
 
1:48 PM
Ah, nope. those were the worst.
 
What to do with a post that is now no longer spammy
 
you can review as f
 
2:04 PM
Tom's maintenance posts are scary.
 
@Shadow10YearsWizard Because most of the SREs and many of the Arch team are in the US and on holiday, so can't (or shouldn't have to) respond to fixing stuff that breaks. And if people put things in the pipeline but something does break, they've got to ... muck with stuff to get the pipeline cleared, so they just don't let people do stuff.
 
2:38 PM
@Catija good... surely improvement from the times when SE deployed major changes during weekends, then the bugs waited until next week. ;)
 
3:17 PM
> I'll see you all in chat!
Does Tim have a chat room on se.com domain?
He's not really active here...
 
Time will tell
 
Tim will Post?
 
3:39 PM
will need to find his keys first
 
3:52 PM
takes him 6 to 8 weeks
 
Rob
4:51 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard Ha, take that: i.stack.imgur.com/wLc0l.jpg
 
5:22 PM
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Oh hey I had one too this time! :D
 
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@Tinkeringbell \o/
not even halfway through the backlog yet
xD
 
Don't worry, there's an entire thanksgiving vacation for you to catch up :P
 
@Luuklag gone
@Tinkeringbell hoping to clear it today, though :P
 
5:37 PM
Better hurry then :P
 
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@JNat thanks!
@Rob thanks!
 
@Ollie dunno if it'll help much, but I nuked that profile
and that was the last thing on my backlog
'til next time, folks
xD
as if I'm not always here
or at least "here"
 
5:54 PM
sdc hats
 
@rene No such command 'hats'.
 
:(
 
@rene have a hat.
 
\o/
 
@Mithical Angry post about semi-rainbow colored things in 3... 2... 1...
 
6:50 PM
@JNat I love diamonds.
Oh wait... staff only procedure.
 
Rob
7:09 PM
The true reason for implementing tables, to post this:
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Q: MAINTENANCE WARNING: Possible downtime early morning Dec 2/4/9 UTC (8:30PM NYC-time on Dec 1/3/8, 2020)

Tom LimoncelliTL;DR: The SRE Team at Stack Overflow is announcing 3 maintenance windows. No downtime is planned but the work is classified as “risky” therefore this announcement. The maintenance is expected to take 10-20 minutes and will happen sometime during the 2-hour window beginning at 8:30PM ET (01:30 U...

 
Yes, the timetables do look much better.
 
Rob
7:24 PM
He missed the written day name (rather than just the numbers) in the title; it's a good mnemonic.
More difficult to fit in when there's multiple days, but there's an established precedent; at least for single days.
 
 
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8:51 PM
@Shadow10YearsWizard Stayed awake the whole 12-hour flight, even though I had been awake for 10+ hours earlier.
 
9:19 PM
Why report it twice, Smokey?
 
@Ollie Different posts
 
Oh yeah. Whoops.
 
Rob
@RyanM and on a finer point, identical posts - spam.
 
Rob
9:54 PM
Marked helpful, and ...
 
 
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11:06 PM
11 secs. Yawn.
@JNat There's a cross-site spammer.
 

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