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user1306322

10:00 PM

I thought it captures well how demented your life can become in a couple minutes of that montage in the last third

410

Yes, a couple of times actually.

user1306322

the movie Scanner Darkly has this baaad fullscreen filter effect that makes it hard to watch

410

Yeah... :/ the technology getting in the way big time there.

user1306322

do you know what you are going after, reading this?

Sklivvz

hey @Shog9 are you around or just pretending to be at work? <3

Shog9

10:02 PM

possibly both?

410

I don't decide in advance. A bunch of unread stuff on Kindle, so... will grab one on an impulse.

Shog9

I'm analyzing a request to rewrite wikia links, because... I might as well find something useful to do

user1306322

I only re-read one book which I remembered fondly from 15 years ago, otherwise I've been "reading" dialogue boxes in RPG games and lore in item descriptions

Sklivvz

I was wondering if I could bounce an idea off you, but I don't really want to do it in public

user1306322

not even watched enough movies in the recent 5 or so years to say I've watched any worthwhile ones to recommend

Shog9

10:04 PM

@Sklivvz email? Twitter DM? Postcard with a piece of masking tape over the writing? ;-)

user1306322

(masking tape in shape of writing)

Sklivvz

i forget there's no privacy here, I'll dm you on twitter

Andras Deak

masking tape perforated in shape of writing

user1306322

oh yea I've been reading a bunch of manga, totally forgot about that, since it's not exactly writing but I guess it is a form of literature lol

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Shog9 Link please?

Also, simply rewriting them to fandom.com isn't entirely desirable, as some wikis were migrated to wikia.org instead.

user1306322

10:06 PM

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog the request came in form of a perforated masking tape, so he's analyzing it with a microscope, nothing to link unfortunately :p

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@user1306322 Not even a chat message?

StephanS

@user1306322 do you follow My Hero academia?

user1306322

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog but seriously I think it might have been internal, not publicly available for linking, who knows, otherwise there'd probably be a link already

@StephanS yea, but not in depth

StephanS

What manga are you into right now?

user1306322

right now I'm at various chapters of a lot of them, but off the top of my head I'm reading WataMote since I read somewhere that it becomes better after the animated chapters end

I don't even know the titles of what I'm reading lol I have to go look it up

recently I read Goodnight, PunPun and that was a dang shame

it's rated as one of the best mangas of all time but it fails to deliver anything worthwhile at the end

such high quality artwork all for nothing

side characters can be safely removed from the story without any loss

StephanS

10:12 PM

I haven't heard of that one before(WataMote). If it not too much to ask can you do a quick plot.

user1306322

I mostly only read mangas which have not been animated, otherwise I watch the anime series and don't touch the manga

so yea, I've seen everything I was interested in by now, now it's time to read lol

410

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Q: Can we fix broken Memory Alpha links?

It appears that at some point in the recent (distant? I don't know) past, Memory Alpha changed its domain from memory-alpha.wikia.com to memory-alpha.fandom.com. Given the copious number of times links to that site appear in questions and answers on SciFi.SE, is it possible to fix them all with s...

user1306322

it's a comedy about a girl who wants to be popular but goes ass-backwards about it and gets into ridiculous situations

StephanS

interesting

user1306322

if you're familiar with Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei, you know how you can invent a wacky situation out of thin air, it's kinda like that

but my general anime recs are different

there's one anime which hits those whom all other anime misses, and I'm sure one person here can attest to that, it's Mushishi myanimelist.net/anime/457/Mushishi

StephanS

10:15 PM

isn't that the one about a teacher?

user1306322

yea Sensei is teacher or doctor :p

StephanS

I think I remember that one

user1306322

I had to read the ending to Nisekoi coz the anime didn't complete the story and that was worth it imo

here's a handy sheet of animated vs non-animated chapters if you don't wanna miss anything docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…

StephanS

thanks

there was one anime that made me mad watching it (not at the show just in a protective sense) and that was goblin slayer

user1306322

mmm I see

I've yet to watch that one

I've seen Grimgar and the other isekai one from the same season which by the way did you notice how none of these MMO world animes only get 1 season and just never continue?

Re Zero is getting a continuation tho

Konosuba isn't quality material but eh it's fine

StephanS

10:19 PM

goblin slayer was unapologetic in some of its depictions

user1306322

I have not seen Sword Art Online

StephanS

neither have I

user1306322

@StephanS so I've read, I'll have to check it out in due time :p

I like it when studios stray from the templates

StephanS

but at the same time I don't feel like I'm missing anything with sword art online

user1306322

yea I don't think I'm missing anything either

Stormblessed

10:22 PM

@user1306322 and @StephanS I don’t recommend it

user1306322

like 90% of the time I try an anime, not worth it, and I've seen a lot

Stormblessed

It was really cool when it was the first anime I watched much

But it’s bad in retrospect

StephanS

I heard it's the same thing over and over again just in different "game" settings

user1306322

(I was like "baf"... big as frick?... oh bad!)

Stormblessed

@StephanS yes

The first half of the first season was pretty okay

Then it became literally the exact same, but with no stakes

user1306322

10:23 PM

I like it when there is a new type of plot twist or a new type of psychological dilemma presented but almost always it's the same old stuff we've seen 20 years ago

or 50 years if you've been reading scifi literature :p

Stormblessed

They took the whole thing with people dying in real life and just removed it

StephanS

look I've watched all of Bleach I know how to enjoy a point show

XD

30 ep for one fight

user1306322

oof that's a long fight unless it's a 2-minute per episode micro show

StephanS

I need to get off this site, I have waste way too much time on here today

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Mysticial

This is great. The last thing I'd expect in this room during a meta shitstorm is Anime. Is the world upside-down?

kit

10:35 PM

@StephanS well~ he just hate goblins~

StephanS

I think we're all done with the sh*tstorm, it happened, no one at SO cared, everyone moved on

Mysticial

@Stormblessed You're probably the 1st person I've seen disparage SAO except for part of 2 of season 2. (ALO2)

john

I love when there's all this nonsense drama and Mortensen edits the drama. Brings a sense of continuity.

user1306322

@Mysticial it's coz I came in here lol

wherever I go, anime follows

Andras Deak

@john copyeditors gonna copyeditate

user1306322

10:42 PM

oh it's coz you don't see my username and avatar here, otherwise you wouldn't be surprised

yea you gotta argue in style

john

@AndrasDeak I just want to be them. They're inmune to the shit hitting the fan thing.

I have a huge respect for that.

Andras Deak

How do you know? Just because someone doesn't stop being compulsive doesn't mean thay are immune :P

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@OptimusPrime better also add a link to something, so people can see and judge for themselves.

john

haha nice point, we'll see

StephanS

that's great

john

10:45 PM

I suspect they'd just do their thing wherever mainstream attention is. But don't know.

user1306322

well, all in all, the content is not getting lost, it's only getting diluted

what's being lost is potential new content though... and the quality... actually a lot is being lost if you think about it :D

yea no need to reiterate

my personal belief is that to maximize the usefulness of SE content, it needs to be separated from the business entity that controls it right now, but how - I don't know, someone else might

this is kinda like youtube

if you don't know, here's a ~30 minute overview on what is suffocating the ability to earn money for a lot of youtubers in the last 2-3 years: youtube.com/watch?v=ll8zGaWhofU

john

@user1306322 you just take advantage of its license, and profit

user1306322

except the profit part lol

john

wat? no

user1306322

imagine if the real goal of the company was to create the best Q&A site in the world and not earn money first and foremost, I doubt we'd be in this mess today, and those mod tools and whatnot would exist

john

10:57 PM

even if that's their goal, if they fail, someone'll be up to take advantage of the content

you just create a better system and poof, they're dead

user1306322

some content is barely worth taking advantage of, like who's gonna scrape quora for text

john

don't you dare to compare quora to 2008-01/10/2019 stack exchange

user1306322

I don't care what business is dead or not, all I care about is the content, and what we're seeing looks like one of those Digg level wrong moves

john

if you want to get that philosophical, I would agree every Internet thing is bound to an eventual myspaceization

user1306322

where did Digg users go? to Reddit. What's going on on reddit today? Funny you should ask old.reddit.com/r/announcements/comments/dbf9nj/…

idk I'd really love to see some community non-profit organization host at least one Q&A site

decentralized, anonymous, with all that good stuff

john

11:01 PM

I don't know what's that about, but it prompted me a huge ad of Liam Gallagher so I just don't care of actual content

user1306322

I don't think even Wikipedia is that good

would you mind explaining why you don't have ublock origin installed?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@user1306322 heh, company that listens to its user base. Amazing. :)

That's what SE used to be.

john

Can I add that to my glorious Chromium 47 without creating a bigger security risks than I'm already playing with?

user1306322

have you heard about our lord and savior Ad Blocker?

john

I repeat, is that an extension, or a builtin thing?

user1306322

11:03 PM

allegedly it blocks harmful scripts embedded in ad blocks

it's an extension and it's important that you use Ublock Origin specifically, not just any Adblock Plus or something

john

I'm not installing extensions to Chromium 47.

user1306322

why not

john

I bet they'd sack my thing.

Optimus Prime

status-completed

user1306322

@john ???

performance or privacy concerns?

because ad blockers should improve both

john

11:05 PM

Security, damit, it's a browser from 2015!

I can't browse the Internet with this thing.

I'm already taking too many risks by browsing SE [their ads, actually] with it.

user1306322

you'd have to confirm with folks on Information Security but I think ad scripts slow you down more than an extension that blocks them

john

SE software is like... six years old? so I'm not too worried about them.

user1306322

have you also heard about script disabling extensions?

410

They build daily, so... 1 day old?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@john not relevant for ads, which load external content.

user1306322

11:07 PM

blacklist everything, whitelist only scripts you trust and need for the site to work (like chat here but there aren't any ad scripts on this page afaik)

john

@410 what's the code base age ? ._.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@john each file and its own age

john

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard that's why I wrote the risks are because of ad shit, not SE itself

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Probably still 9 years old files around, but likely most are quite up to date

@john heh. true

Optimus Prime

Google recently removed few ad blockers from chrome store

john

11:11 PM

there's no need to use Chrome in the first place

user1306322

why not firefox?

Optimus Prime

Because they were attaching their referral code in all online shopping sites, the user visits. So whenever the user makes a purchase, the ad blocker shows to the site that the purchase is made via their referral link the developers get their commission

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@OptimusPrime Those were determined to be fraudulent

Optimus Prime

@user1306322 I hate that thing

john

please God protect Firefox many more years

user1306322

11:11 PM

@OptimusPrime pls explain lol

Optimus Prime

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog yes. See my second message

user1306322

@john is that a "bless your heart" or do you think it's good?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

It's one reason why I still use EdgeHTML-based Edge today

john

@user1306322 for SE? Hell no, I'd use Firefox for important stuff, and have other browsers for unimportant babble

Optimus Prime

@user1306322 I like the developer options provided Google

john

11:12 PM

@user1306322 is it bad or what?

is it run by some ultra evil company, or what?

Optimus Prime

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog you mean this??

user1306322

@john uhh are you using different browsers to separate your browsing history and logins?

john

I'm starting to write moderable material, so am sorry going to bed. Have a g'day y'all

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@OptimusPrime That was fixed several months ago

user1306322

@john firefox? I don't think it's either bad or run by evil people, at least it's not as for profit as google clearly is

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

11:15 PM

Mozilla Corporation

The Mozilla Corporation (stylized as moz://a) is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation that coordinates and integrates the development of Internet-related applications such as the Firefox web browser, by a global community of open-source developers, some of whom are employed by the corporation itself. The corporation also distributes and promotes these products. Unlike the non-profit Mozilla Foundation, and the Mozilla open source project, founded by the now defunct Netscape Communications Corporation, the Mozilla Corporation is a taxable entity. The Mozilla Corporation reinvests...

user1306322

ok night

yea I know the owning entity is for profit but the foundation is not

or maybe I misunderstand the hierarchy these days

Optimus Prime

We can't say like that because Ubuntu is provided by Canonical

Stormblessed

@john no

user1306322

in any case I think John is doing something weird that can be solved by Firefox, Ublock Orign and separate profiles to separate browsing sessions and logins

Optimus Prime

There're lots of examples in which for profit companies provide free or open source things

I don't want to include Linux things from Microsoft in this list

Stormblessed

11:17 PM

Firefox is great

user1306322

I think Firefox has containers in public versions now but I'm using "never remember any history" and it doesn't work in this mode

Stormblessed

It’s as good as Chrome but it’s not made by Google

Optimus Prime

above all, I configured my firefox to work with burp. So I've to open burp if I want to use Firefox. That's another reason I hate firefox ;p

410

burp

user1306322

what's burp lol

410

11:20 PM

Too much sweet & sour chicken

Optimus Prime

Burp Suite

user1306322

first time hearing

Optimus Prime

It's a pentesting tool

well, a proxy with many useful tools

Andras Deak

so basically paper

user1306322

well, see, this isn't the kind of usage scenario I'm looking for when I give out firefox and adblock recommendations :D

Optimus Prime

11:21 PM

portswigger.net/burp They offer free community edition and other folks offer free licensing tool for their pro edition

user1306322

people say using pentesting tools for everyday use is dangerous as they have a lot of vulnerabilities exposed by default for the purpose of pentesting, so if you don't know how to close all of them, it's a riskier affair than just getting a public build

but I don't suppose you don't know that already

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@user1306322 air coming out of the mouth

Optimus Prime

Burp is an interceptor tool. It'll generate a certificate for us and we have to configure proxy to localhost in the browser and import the certificate. Once we completed these 2 steps, the tool can intercept our requests. Burp Suite is a trusted app by thousands of people but I never enter any personal info in firefox. Also burp won't listen to connections from external ip

I've parrotsec in vmware but nothing's personal there.

user1306322

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard no that's breath

burp is like air expelled through the food tract tube, forgot its name

esophagus or something idk

Optimus Prime

@user1306322 *yawning

user1306322

11:29 PM

but it's not throat coz the airway is part of it too

umm then you have to specify contraction of certain muscles... in a specific configuration at that...

I'm tired of this biology stuff can we get back to trainwrecks and anime

what is Robert doing with those revisions lol meta.stackoverflow.com/posts/389906/revisions

Optimus Prime

not just him. I'm also yawning. When the clocks ticks at 5:01 AM, what else I'm supposed to do ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

user1306322

oh are you in one of those fun half-hour offset timezones?

or is your clock messed up :D

Optimus Prime

well yeah I'm on the 5 and half gang

It seems animated profile picture will animate on HNQ. Is this a bug?

What else you think a gif will do, OP?

user1306322

11:47 PM

@OptimusPrime I didn't think SE supported animated avatars when uploaded to internal hosting, only if it's an external avatar via gravatar, facebook or google

so yea I'd think of it as a bug too if I saw that

and personally I'm against anything animated if it's not a video I intended to watch

@ONSTRIKEfromStackOverflow lol nice entrance there in the top right corner :D

oh dang 1770 days suspension

I hope it was undeserved

Optimus Prime

Aw it was J

Andras Deak

always

Optimus Prime

Ok. have to go to bed. It's 5.23 am

PS:- I am associated with the company