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Shadow The Coffee Wizard

13:00

@JohnDvorak oh it still works?? I'd imagine it will just skip sites where the name was changed less than 30 days ago.

john

/away afk

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Didn't Oded fix it?

(after dear @Optimus abused it by changing almost daily ;))

oh wait.... buh I was wrong.

8

A: The screen name change rate limit doesn't exist anymore

So, this has been broken since January, after a large refactoring of the user settings saving code. A check to see if the new display name was different to the old display name was mistakenly changed to see if the new display name was different to the... new display name. Which of course it isn'...

So yeah we can still break the limit using other sites. :)

Princess Olivia

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard ask me what?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@PrincessOlivia how you feel

Well not really... or not just that... about the other mod in SO

:)

Princess Olivia

He hasn't officially left. The diamond is still there.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

13:04

Yeah, he was exposed here already

f stop being near the d will you!

Princess Olivia

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard Yeh, that's the one

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard just cut open your keyboard and put the F on the door, and D on the screen :P

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

:P

giving @410 coffee cups to @Pri

410

The list of recent badges in the sidebar does not really make Meta look better.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Huh?? Where's that?

410

Just a usual day, not a particularly extreme example.

The sidebar of Meta front page.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

13:13

No repro

I see HNQ

410

If you hide HNQ.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

oh

So don't hide it. :D

410

I'll take spam badges over HNQ any day.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Price for hiding the precious HNQ: see NSFW text on your screen.

IMO solution is to just remove Informed and Autobiographer from the sidebar badges list.

Tinkeringbell

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard And Autobiographer

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

13:15

ninja!

Tinkeringbell

Might be worth an MSE post, or some monitoring to see how often this occurs ;)

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard tempting...

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Very often, many spammers complete their profile

So show only badges that require some actual rep

@rene why did you make edit war with yourself??

Meta Andrew T.

@Magisch I believe in the glasses

err, apparently ninja'd 100 message ago...

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

13:38

lol

:D :D :D

meh just the usual meta OT crap not spam

Meta Andrew T.

The OT has come back, Yay?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Back?? They never left.

John Dvorak

You can log out any time you like, but you can never leave

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

We just don't always get to see them when the ~~zoo~~ mod team nukes them fast enough. :P

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard tbh a lot of it is people asking cvplz and devplz here

and we rarely see spam directly

Meta Andrew T.

13:49

del-plz this cv-plz

John Dvorak

Hypothesis: the whole arbitration thing was just a clever ruse by SE to get our physical addresses so that they could keep sending us our inbox digests even after we've stopped visiting the site and blocked the emails coming from them.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak eh that would cost actual money

and you can totally email them a request to not be bound by mandatory arbitration

John Dvorak

Adblocker proliferation also costs real money :P

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak until told otherwise - SE's not hostile to people using adblockers

That's to say its been said they're fine with it

John Dvorak

That's true, but I'm not saying otherwise. I'm only saying that forcing people onto adblockers costs them money.

Journeyman Geek

13:52

@JohnDvorak well...

"we" are a very small part of the overall audience

I'm not even going to say userbase cause there's probably a ton of people who passively use SE sites

John Dvorak

I'd be very interested to see some actual data of adblocker incidence before / after the introduction of off-topic ads.

Journeyman Geek

uhm

That might be tricky - some folks probably have scripts to hide adblocker detection ;p

Meta Andrew T.

stroop

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. teeeeehnicccaallllyyyyy

SE is worldwide

John Dvorak

Barring evidence otherwise, I'm still going with "costs SE in the long run" - and I am afraid evidence won't be found.

Journeyman Geek

13:55

but he does mean on the network

@JohnDvorak So - practically

what sort of person has adblock installed?

(or dns based adblocking - which I suspect would be even harder to trace)

Meta Andrew T.

@JourneymanGeek a person who doesn't want suggestive ads suddenly appear at the office...

John Dvorak

minimum tech savviness, OR knowledge of someone minimally tech-savvy + past experience with malware.

That's pretty universal methinks, especially among programmers and programming enthusiasts.

got to go, sorry. Will try to show up in a few minutes.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak exactly

so the sort of folks who use SE would have adblockers anyway

John Dvorak

sure, but before OTA there was hoping they'd have SE whitelisted.

Journeyman Geek

@JohnDvorak I've tried whitelisting sites when they asked nicely

I like them. I don't like their ad providers

Meta Andrew T.

14:01

I was too late to like SE ads then...

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. ;p

@MetaAndrewT. technically when SE ran their own ads, I might have

but I'm immensely lazy

and I vaguely feel I provide value in other ways

Optimus Prime

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard Nope. That was different one

Rene, I mean the services offered page of my freelancing website

I got an idea few hours ago.

Bart

14:17

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard You might want to get that cough checked out ...

But ehm ... what are you trying to get me to do?

rene

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard there was something weird with that edit. the stack overflow tag wasn't needed and I didn't get the replacement of support with support so I rolled back. But then I noticed the support tag was listed at the end, not as the first tag. So i tried to make that tag edit. That failed so I decided to rollback again and redo the changes ... sorry for the mess

Journeyman Geek

Stand for SO mod

;p

Bart

@M.A.R. ... /me stares at @M.A.R.

rene

@JourneymanGeek too many glasses

Bart

@JourneymanGeek Not sure that's a good idea. And I shouldn't realistically stand a chance anyway, given my absence.

Journeyman Geek

14:21

@rene makes for better optics

@Bart well, maybe, but I'm not the one suggesting it

Bart

@JourneymanGeek Good dog

rene

niet likken!

Bart

#brillenpoetsdoekje

Meta Andrew T.

gasp, I created a Team!

Bart

You stop that right now!

Meta Andrew T.

14:34

Glasses Overflow™ Team

M.A.R.

@Sha what movie?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@Bart your twin is gone

It's red alert

Meta Andrew T.

err, if I continue this, my co-worker will know one of my popular answer on Anime.SE...

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

All twins must stand together! :D

Bart

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard wait, wut? What did I miss?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

14:37

@Bart a lot

and some squirrels

Yve is gone, for sure as she told as much

M.A.R.

@Bart I'm immune to fractures

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Mr. Gray just disappeared from public view

Bart

... sounds like this place is not heading in great directions?

M.A.R.

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard just

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@Bart for long time, but....

M.A.R.

14:38

@Bart wakey wakey

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@M.A.R. in?

Justin!

Meta Andrew T.

Brieber!

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Trudeau! (buh what's that spelling?!)

Journeyman Geek

credible!

Bart

@M.A.R. eh, there are reasons for my limited involvement.

M.A.R.

14:39

No brebering in this chat

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard That's French

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@Bart well, SO need some stability

Rock hard mods

And you're a pillar of.... stars! :)

Journeyman Geek

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard rock hard mods are terrible

;p

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@JourneymanGeek hard skinned, soft inside

Better? :D

Meta Andrew T.

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard did you mean Earth Science?

M.A.R.

@Bart it's mostly old news, nothing that needs to be rehashed. You can pick up a few meta posts

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

14:41

lol

Bart

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard if I had the impression moderators had any influence on that I might even consider it. But I don't think that's the case.

M.A.R.

*read up

I need Z's.

Bart

Then go Z

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Z is dead

Journeyman Geek

@Bart tbh, we don't really have much direct influence on these things

and occationally find out about stuff on meta or the blog

Princess Olivia

14:42

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard nah, I'm alive. :P

Bart

Well there you go @JourneymanGeek.

Journeyman Geek

indirectly?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

@PrincessOlivia you're O or P, not Z

Journeyman Geek

Well I donno

I'm here arn't I?

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

No @Z here...

Meta Andrew T.

14:43

I'M gone

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

I, Robot

Journeyman Geek

@MetaAndrewT. lol

Considering how much I talk

people would notice after a week or two if I was

Princess Olivia

15:05

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard Only on meta :P

410

TIL Google now uses .gle TLD for short URLs of Google Forms.

It's like google but without all the goo.

Meanwhile, Google Maps still use .gl domain.

JNat

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog gone

410

And of course, .google TLD is used for domains.google

Meta Andrew T.

goo.gl.e

410

goo.gle works

John Dvorak

15:16

There will always be goo in Google

Meta Andrew T.

good.gle

Optimus Prime

gooogle.com will also work

gogle.com too

Meta Andrew T.

and my favorite, gogole.com

Optimus Prime

Why the links aren't rendering

Meta Andrew T.

because it needs http:// or https:// ...

410

15:20

Let me gle this goo for you.

Optimus Prime

adding random text to avoid onebox youtu.be/90qQMQs0dAg

Naruto runner is the current trend in memes 😂 youtu.be/Dhfx0bR7Zx4

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

15:43

@410 .gl = good laugh :P

@PrincessOlivia so on meta, Z is dead! It fits, "meta" in Hebrew means dead. (female form) lol

Male form is "met"

Princess Olivia

@ShadowTheCoffeeWizard ^^"

Mithrandir

Eh.

That's if you're pronouncing "met" as "mate". ;)

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

nope?

dead is just "met", "mate" is "מייט" or "מיית" which isn't dead. ;)

Mithrandir

I've never heard anyone pronounce the word with a literal "met" sound.

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

Totally weird then.

milog.co.il/%D7%9E%D7%AA/e_46360

Princess Olivia

15:51

@Mithrandir yo mate (/-_-)/

Shadow The Coffee Wizard

The ת is נחה

oh wait not נחה

But it has no nikkud

Anyway, gtg, cya laterZ!

Mithrandir

\o

Meta Andrew T.

~o~

Kevin B

🍝

Tinkeringbell

16:03

@KevinB What's that supposed to be? Spaghetti, or something more sinister? ;)

Kevin B

spaghetti

Monica Cellio

Hey @ShadowTheCoffeeWizard, about your bounty on this question -- that's an old, SO-specific question that somebody resurrected today and now the fact that it's open is likely to attract more noise. Your bounty blocks closure. Since it's a "reward existing answer" bounty, are you willing to award it ASAP?

ymb1

did SE implement/fix being able to tag someone who edited but not commented (also by extension, someone who offered a bounty but not commented)? raised the topic on aviation meta years ago as a bug/feature request, and just got my first notification (a commenter tagged me) for simply editing a post (chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/51802987#51802987)

ArtOfCode

@ymb1 you've been able to ping people who edited for quite a while. They don't autocomplete, but they are pingable.

Monica Cellio

Editors are supposed to be pingable but you don't get auto-complete. I don't know about bounties.

ymb1

16:17

I see, that's good to know, thanks :)

Meta Andrew T.

16:58

@ymb1 bountier and other single-user entries on revision history can be pinged

410

17:09

Bounties too. Anyone whose username is in the revision history, except for closers.

Even if the bounty was set and awarded 5 years go.

Meta Andrew T.

I need a way to ping future bountier...

fbueckert

Yay. Solar debacle not quite over. I can't seem to get anyone to write me a check for the refund they owe me.

410

REFUND?!!

►

ymb1

17:27

@MetaAndrewT. this is great, thanks

410

18:04

Strangely, google.google does not resolve.

Tinkeringbell

18:23

gone!

rene

thanks!

Is this rollback something mod-flaggable: meta.stackexchange.com/posts/17038/revisions or do we go meh

@fbueckert what refund? ...promises made by mr salesman that no longer works there?

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@rene More of a meh, but I'm biased because I was the one who originally typed up that markup

Tinkeringbell

@rene meh. If people are going to learn post markdown, it's probably not going to be from looking at the revision history of that post ;)

rene

Okay

Tinkeringbell

If people keep going back and forth over that though, lemme know :)

rene

18:33

sure, will do

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

Technically, it does go against the notice that was being edited:

> Please note: This post is not a sandbox for performing rollbacks. Please do not perform rollbacks on this post without valid reason. If you want to try out a few rollbacks, do it here instead.

The edit history shows a lot of 101-rep users performing "test" rollbacks.

Feeds

There are actually lowercase-like 'oldstyle' forms of normal numbers with more pronounced ascenders and descenders, which is why some numbers like '5' in books sometimes dangle below the line. But the true capital numbers remain the domain of number maven Mavis Beacon.

Tinkeringbell

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog Meh, I'll ask the rest but as far as I'm concerned, that notice is a good deterrent, but probably not much more. What are we going to do? Suspend for a week? :P

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell If the notice fails to do its job (which it has been doing for a long time), I think it should be locked.

rene

@Tinkeringbell networkwide ban, 6 to 8 years ...

that should teach them ...

Tinkeringbell

18:43

@SonictheAnonymousHedgehog I'm not entirely clear on how locks work (have luckily hadn't had to use them often :D), but I think they prevent new answers :/

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

@Tinkeringbell FAQs aren't supposed to get new answers; with few exceptions, the CMs have been deleting them on sight

Tinkeringbell

Oh, yeah, that's true...

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

As a matter of fact, the other answers except the top answer are likely to be cleaned up.

Meta Andrew T.

> This content is disputed. Please rollback until it is not disputed.

Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog

A lock also would have prevented the Anonymous Editor from editing the answer, but that's no longer a concern due to a recent feature change

rene

18:46

@MetaAndrewT. CoC breach: No jokes!

Meta Andrew T.

@rene I disputed your CoC...

rene

We can't be nice things

4

Tinkeringbell

> Avoid sarcasm and be careful with jokes — tone is hard to decipher online.

The fact that you recognized it as a joke makes your point moot.

rene

You do know how offensive that is for me, right? No one ever recognizes my jokes ...

Tinkeringbell

Poor you. That's because they're too vague.

Try to be a bit clearer.

fbueckert

18:56

@rene The ones made by an agent of the company. One that I believe had the authority to authorize it.

The fact that they may not work there anymore doesn't mean I am not owed it.

rene

ugh ..

410

19:06

We can't even nice things.

@Feeds Duh. Georgia has lowercase numbers, as seen every day on Mathematics

Text figures or whatever.

On that site, capital numbers are written with MathJax: $123$.

> During this suspension, RDNC Software will be giving out FREE license keys to anybody who signs a pledge to boycott StackOverflow and to denounce them as proletariat organization run by a bunch of power hungry blowhard’s who just want to put you under their thumb. Email with subject “StackOverflow Sucks, I want a Free Key” to ... for information on how to obtain your free key.

from regexformat.com

yEAH.

Under My Thumb

►

h/t that other chatroom

Kevin B

meh

boycotts don't accomplish anything

Tinkeringbell

19:22

girlcotts on the other hand...

Meta Andrew T.

@410 fun! I'll send an email while continuing using SO...

Kevin B

"for no reason" lol

Optimus Prime

??

Hey smokey!! hellooooo

Meta Andrew T.

@OptimusPrime wait for 5 minutes until it returns to Tavern...

(the report, not the Smokey)

Optimus Prime

A mod closed it as off topic. O_o

Gone...

my spam flag was disputed. lol

410

19:29

All this talk about negative interest rates... boring. Imaginary interest rate, like 3.5i% would be fun.

Especially as it compounds.

Makyen

@OptimusPrime Why do you feel this was spam?

Optimus Prime

promotion of a business

Kevin B

eh, that doesn't look like spam to me

Makyen

@OptimusPrime Why was it spam and not just a bad question? I don't see any obvious association of the user with the site (e.g. nothing in their profile; only one post with a link to the site; the user has had an account for > 6 years).

Kevin B

that'd be like linking to google and asking how they do autocomplete

Optimus Prime

19:36

It looks like a spam to me because
1. It's not a question. Not even a problem.
2. It's promoting a website/business

M.A.R.

That's a bit of a grey area

I can't see the question anyway right now.

It's not sufficient criteria to assume spamming.

I used "sufficient" so I must be right.

Makyen

@M.A.R. MS link

Meta Andrew T.

... ugh,

M.A.R.

Sorry, I was distracted by a bird

That site doesn't look immediately spammy, -1

Tinkeringbell

@M.A.R. flashes plumage :D

Optimus Prime

19:40

wait... the user still have the same rep. does that mean the question is deleted by op himself??

Meta Andrew T.

this noon was hectic until it drained my mental, but now I feel very awake in the midst of night

M.A.R.

Well it kinda does but as much as SO

Makyen

@OptimusPrime OK. I don't read it as spam, per se. It could be seen as promoting the linked site. There is spam that looks very similar. However, for something that's not obviously spam, we usually look for patterns that indicate there is the intent to spam.

M.A.R.

@OptimusPrime Was their rep more than 1?

That's a -1000.

Optimus Prime

95

M.A.R.

19:41

Dude.

Optimus Prime

for spam, it's a -100

M.A.R.

Not spam.

Makyen

@OptimusPrime Not necessarily, but in this case, yes, the user deleted the post.

It was closed by a moderator and got several downvotes.

M.A.R.

If they didn't have any previous contributions, and if the website was fishy or spammy or something, I would have flagged it as spam in a bad day.

Optimus Prime

@Makyen yeah I noticed that. TylerH also said it's a spam.

M.A.R.

19:43

It's pretty grey if it was that.

Previous contribution turns off the alarms for me. If they did it again, it would have been self-promotion and ultimately spam.

Optimus Prime

This is the the link where the download button takes civicuk.com/cookie-control/v8/download They've a free limited edition as well as pro packages.

M.A.R.

One link in a question (not answer) from a non-1-rep user that have been on the site for a long time to a site that's not particularly spammy and not in MS's database. QED.

Makyen

@OptimusPrime In this case, I disagree. On balance, I'd give the user the benefit of doubt. If there was more than one post linking to the site by the user, then I'd be much more inclined to call it spam.

If it was self promotion, I'd usually leave a comment (on sites I'm familiar with) informing the user of the affiliation disclosure policy and asking them to edit (depends on content, but particularly if the content is otherwise good, which this wasn't).

M.A.R.

I mean, you're not sure that was the intention. Maybe assume honest intentions or something.

Optimus Prime

@Makyen fmpov, the sole reason for the existence of the post is self promotion

Kevin B

19:47

"self" promotion?

M.A.R.

What if Lincoln came and left a link to pirating 12 Years a Slave. OK, maybe that's spam.

Optimus Prime

I take another look and the free edition is for testing purpose. They charge Euro(or gpb whatever it is) 39 for single website license and 199 for multi site license per annum

That post is to promote this thing

M.A.R.

@KevinB It's assuming mal-intent and non-disclosed affiliation.

Makyen

@OptimusPrime Potentially. If you've found some association between the user and the site, I'd probably agree. But, I haven't seen any. Although, I did not look that hard.

Optimus Prime

@Makyen it's the case when a user mention a site along with other content. Or even if it's an open source thing, I'll agree with you. That means the post should have a reason to exist even without the link

M.A.R.

19:49

It's not even the "problematic Nasty Stink for domain" reason

Although I don't even know what that does

@OptimusPrime An exception is blatantly OT questions.

Again, this whole thing boils down to assuming intentions.

Optimus Prime

That's the website of an IT firm. What I'm thinking is, the user may considered SO as a forum and he may want to increase his sales via this platform. Since he contributed something to the community, he believed he has the right to do it. (this is what I think)

M.A.R.

May.

You're not wrong, you're just too suspicious. Which ultimately could be the right, or the wrong reaction.

Kevin B

It's certainly possible that it's self promotion, but because spam flags carry serious penalty... they should be reserved for cases that can be proven.

Optimus Prime

@KevinB agree with that

Was reading the meta post

>A post should be marked as spam only if it advertises a product, service, or similar and is unsolicited or lacks disclosure.

>Due to the way search engines work, this includes links. For example, an otherwise normal post that contains a link to a website only in a punctuation mark is still spam.

>Unsolicited means that mentioning the product serves no purpose other than promotion. For example, if an answer mentions a software that may solve the asker’s problem or a question about web programming references a website as an example, this is not unsolicited (it may still be spam if there is…

meta.stackexchange.com/a/58035/228134 --no-onebox-please

Kevin B

In this case they seemed to be asking how to accomplish something said site was accomplishing

Optimus Prime

20:04

The post is like looking for xxxx? (url)

410

20:51

Nobody:

Absolutely nobody:

M.A.R.

21:04

410: Nobody: Absolutely nobody:

Kevin B

21:36

32 mins ago, by M.A.R.

410: Nobody: Absolutely nobody:

410

> As an analogy, think of Quora as a huge garbage dump.

fbueckert

23:18

@rene You called it. They're refusing to honor their obligations.

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