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12:25 AM
@user58 FYI, your Charcoal Team profile still mentions you being a Literature mod
A: SD Card speed degrading and doesn't work on one of my cameras: can I do something?

Michael C Is there something I can do to solve this situation ? Get another card.

12:50 AM
!!/notify 89 meta
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog You'll now get pings from me if I report a post on meta, in room 89 on chat.meta.stackexchange.com
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog Ah thank you. Deleted
1:48 AM
@rene The procedure is to leave the one which has been running the longest active, and standby the rest. Here is an example interaction, and a message repeating the above instructions. They used to pin a message saying which one is most preferred but I guess they got tired of putting it back up, now it's assumed knowledge. :$
3 hours later…
4:36 AM
@JourneymanGeek that post is back on meta
1 hour later…
5:39 AM
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog I might want to have a quick word with you
If you're free
@JourneymanGeek What's it about?
@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog I'll take it private though I'll keep Cat in the loop
1 hour later…
7:15 AM
@Rob TIL Thanks
7:26 AM
TIL "TIL" (had to look it up).
Morning :)
7:48 AM
8:11 AM
@rene ... and his reply is exactly what I said it would be: "... it's assumed knowledge".
The reason is the one that's been running longer is the one that ought to be running (the others started on their own, without a failover signal), and it contains a longer cache built up than one that's newly started. If the one that's been running longest is hung or broken then one would switch instances (and lose the history, which has already happened anyways).
@202324 brews a cup of Americano for @202324
8:27 AM
@Rob hmm, that reasoning might go under the GH issue: github.com/Charcoal-SE/metasmoke/issues/687
@PM2Ring ideally, sure, but the banners are used for years for stuff that is not relevant to the site usage.
No worry @Meta, Smokey often lag.
Coffee will arrive in 6-8 minutes.
No coffee for you!
8:29 AM
@M.A.R. u
alright, I'll try another...
@MetaAndrewT. No such command 'bear'.
@MetaAndrewT. brews a cup of Mocha for @MetaAndrewT.
woah, the delay is so real it even tasted real
Well I'm not drinking that cup when it arrives.
8:34 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard No such command 'morning'.
@MetaAndrewT. Smokey manipulates us, he knows we'll miss him. :D
we're going over instances. @makyen is flipping bits
0 becomes 1 and 1 becomes 0?!
FOX can also flip bits.
8:37 AM
@Snow I don't think it's going to, since you used //! instead of !!/
in Shadow's Den, 14 secs ago, by FOX 9000
@ShadowThePrincessWizard (┛゜ل͜•)╯︵sʇᴉq
the point is to flip the right ones, there might be a few ...
@Snow brews a cup of earl grey tea for @Snow
8:37 AM
@MetaAndrewT. No such command 'flip'.
How civilised.
@MetaAndrewT. Smokey isn't FOX ;)
FOX can even read!
in Shadow's Den, 10 secs ago, by FOX 9000
@ShadowThePrincessWizard No such command 'flip'.
sips cumin soda
@MetaAndrewT. No such command 'bear'.
@SmokeDetector I know... :(
8:40 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard teward/Osiris
@JourneymanGeek which one from those?
@ShadowThePrincessWizard teward/Anubis
Anubis, you lag badly
reporting to Zeus
Wrong pantheon.
8:44 AM
meh Zeus can take care of him
You probably want to report to Amun-Ra
God of the Sun, right?
I prefer Zeus, he's cooler.
Zeus is so hot right now.
Amun-Ra is basically the king of egyptian gods
> Amun-Ra was the chief of the Egyptian gods. In the early days of the Egyptian civilization, he was worshipped as two separate gods. Amun was the god who created the universe. Ra was the god of the sun and light, who traveled across the sky every day in a burning boat. The two gods were combined into one, Amun-Ra, in the time of the New Kingdom, between the 16th and 11th centuries BCE.
8:59 AM
As people said at the time, "Two separate gods? Ain't nobody got time for that!".
I was about to combine all names of egyption gods into one, but that lit appears to be rather.... massive
@Bart Nah, it was a split personality pharaoh.
by the might of Horus / you will kneel before us
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Indian thing ;p Something called Jaljeera
though kalamata soda sounds... intriguing
oh the second last is probably the closest
9:08 AM
@user58 a perfectly cromulent poem, eh
@Tinkeringbell Was he called Atem?
@mag Nah, a quote from a song
from a movie
@Hitodama :)
waangoo.com/parliamnet-jaljeera-drink is the brand I get, though from an indian grocery store
@JourneymanGeek for me the first to the left, mango. :D
9:11 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard the thing with the soda is... its not super sweet
and I think it has a hint of salt. Soooo goooood
> Availability: Out of stock
umm... @Journeyman 2 cucumbers for $1.75?! Is this real? How can it be?
@JourneymanGeek in Japan, watermelon is often sprinkled with salt. You could try that.
Here 1kg cost less.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard $1.45 for a cucumber over here. ;)
@Bart that's insane.. buy why? Here even imported vegetables/fruits don't cost so much.
(think we bring tomatoes from Turkey)
9:21 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I didn't buy it there. Was the first google hit ;p
@ShadowThePrincessWizard expensive country. And fairly protective of the own market. Everything is expensive over here, so people need comparatively high salaries, so products get expensive fast, so ... etc. etc.
@JourneymanGeek but looks like cucumbers cost so much in the whole country, no?
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I don't think they're that expensive? I'll have to ask mom
@Bart hmm.... funny thing: Israel had a major backlash when people found out that Milky is cheaper in Germany than in Israel.
It made people realize the company making it makes tons of money on their expense.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard people here are surprisingly happy about things being different than in any of the surrounding countries.
9:25 AM
(i.e. high price just because the company is greedy, no other real reason)
@JourneymanGeek I saw in the site you linked
@ShadowThePrincessWizard random google link lol
> Mom, Shadow asks how much cucumbers cost
That doesn't sound weird ^
Is this the main chat for Cooking.se? What do I have for dinner tonight?
carbon dioxide
9:34 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard I ask my mom all sorts of strange things
@rene you will eat what is served, otherwise no dessert for you young man!
Dessert is sublimated dry ice?
9:47 AM
@JourneymanGeek examples plz :D
9:59 AM
@JourneymanGeek You bought a Molecular Cousine Set?
10:36 AM
But maybe we better focus on the important things in life!
@ShadowThePrincessWizard teward/Isis
Where's the lagging Smokey?
waiting for Anubis
teward? Tea-ward!
@Raedwald No such command '/tea'.
10:38 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard No such command ''.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Probably in the Charcoal HQ...
@Cerbrus and it's lagging there too?
A tea-ward would be a guardian (ward) of the tea. A position of great responsibility.
This was a subtle suggestion that that subject is better discussed there...
10:44 AM
Why was my answer on the "clarifications on the updated pronouns FAQ" deleted after almost 2 weeks without any comment?
Smokey is integral part of Tavern, along with pizza and beers.
It was in the first page, with a score of 22.
@EmanueleCiriachi link?
@EmanueleCiriachi probably better to start a MSE question about that or to use contact us
It would appear that other comments I left on other questions were also deleted, without communication or warning.
10:48 AM
Since it was deleted by a mod, IMO best course of action is flagging your answer, then a mod can reply and explain privately. Will be faster than "contact us", and no need to discuss it in public, probably.
that ^
Private chat room is also possible, if a mod will consider it fitting.
I've done this before, I edited my answer when requested, and mods never came back to it. No explanation, no answer. How do I contact a mod?
@EmanueleCiriachi well the mod is right here... so you can ping.
Hi @JourneymanGeek, my answer linked above was deleted 7 hours ago after 2 weeks on the post
10:50 AM
That said, pinging mods generally isn't appreciated...
@EmanueleCiriachi or if they voted to close it, you can ping them there
@EmanueleCiriachi comments can and will always be deleted without communication or warning
Thanks @StopHarmingMonica
@EmanueleCiriachi We have a significant backlog on flags
Can I suggest that you move that conversation to a private room with just Journey and maybe some other mod if they want to take part in this?
I would appreciate this.
10:52 AM
I'd suggest the contact us in this case simply cause the CM's are the folks who have oversight
@JourneymanGeek but it wasn't deleted by a CM
If that was the case that's what I'd suggest as the best option.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard true but in this situation I feel like they ought to be reviewing this, not me.
I understand you might not be able to explain the reasoning for deletion in public, but I don't understand why you can't in private... anyway, meh.
Secret Bait&Switch Ninja Scroll #42: Topic Hijack
So... has anyone seen the translation of the 13 minutes FF7 Remake commercial?
11:03 AM
well, it contains a pretty weird passage.
it is around 8:08.
11:13 AM
What is weird about it?
Forget about weird remakes.... what you think about FACEBOOK? (the new logo of Facebook the company, not the social media site)
I find it super silly, but I didn't like Facebook before so not really neutral about it. ;)
@Bart well, the commercial is basically a short movie. Two people are talking about FF7 in a bar, a third one become interested never having played the original.
If you can quote the weird part you'll save yourself lots of time, @Hito :)
(I didn't find it on quick search, too lazy to dig deeper)
@ShadowThePrincessWizard it is translated in caption only. Better to link the translated version.
@JourneymanGeek I find your explanation about the deletion of my answer - namely your disagreement with the definition of the word gender I ascribe to - unsatisfactory. Not to mention, the accuses of sealioning.
11:18 AM
@EmanueleCiriachi Contact us link please.
As I said. Twice.
Maybe more.
@EmanueleCiriachi this is not the place for personal mod issue
There's literally nothing else to discuss.
I disagree, but you choose not to answer my specific questions.
@Hitodama well, what @Bart asked: what's weird about it?
> FF7 of 2020!!!
Oh might be typo in the translation
@ShadowThePrincessWizard @Bart basically, if you see the clip the girl is starting to talk about a very specific scene in the game about Aerith. She start a line "I though there was a way to...." and then the other guy jumps in to stop her.
11:20 AM
Should be "on" or "in"
That is a clear reference to very specific rumors about a very specific event in the game
The other guy angrily says "Those were fake. There is no way"
Can't find it anywhere near 8:08
But from what you say, sounds like a hint for easter egg they put in the remake, or even old easter egg nobody ever found in the original game itself. @Hitodama
Where is the contact us link? I never used it before.
@EmanueleCiriachi Footer
@Hitodama the translation correct, unless my Japanese is rusty again...
Thank you.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Just a little before. 8:08 is the weird line, the girls starts talking about Aerith at about 7:10.
@EmanueleCiriachi my only advice is: be patient. :)
The point here is that the other guys stop her from spoiling a plot element, then when rumors about an "alternate route" are mentioned he gets angry, saying that no alternate route existed.
11:26 AM
@Hitodama no line at all in 8:08
in 8:09 there's "But!"
@EmanueleCiriachi yup
@Hitodama wut? don't say the alternative route is in DLC form... XD
@JourneymanGeek could I ask you one last question privately?
Eh, I'm not sure how productive it would be considering how things have gone so far.
It would not be more than 1 minute.
11:28 AM
@EmanueleCiriachi only way to make it really private is a mod creating a private room for it.
Any other chat room is public.
> however, young one
the important talk starts now
What I have been talking until now
is about the original 1997 game
What will we do from now on
Will happen in the 2020 FF7 remake.
Thanks Shadow - I'm not quite familiar with the chat functionality
@EmanueleCiriachi no problem, but you can learn. :)
@Hitodama OK, what's weird about it?
@ShadowThePrincessWizard This is weird, because is strategically put just after he said that the "alternate route" didn't exist. Why specify "didn't exist... in the original game"?
That's pretty much a minute wasted for both of us. Once again - pretty much I don't see there's much either of us are willing to budge on. Its bound to be frustrating for both of us
11:30 AM
> will the past change... or not?
A minute that will save more minutes down the line.
@EmanueleCiriachi or create more minutes of anger... I agree with @Journeyman on this, better let this one go for now and move on.
@MetaAndrewT. yep exactly. And that comes out AFTER previous videos shows that some new entities called "Watchers of Fate" are somehow interested in Aerith and Cloud.
(and of course wait for SE to respond to the contact form, @Emanuele)
Can they add new stuff to Remake? @Hitodama
from the not-so-latest trailer, there are already new unrecognizable scenes, so.. yes
11:33 AM
@ShadowThePrincessWizard yep, but that is a central element in the story.
Hmm... well, I don't find it weird, but on the other hand, not that familiar with FF7. Played it years ago and completed it, was fun, but forgot most of the plot. :/
It is like... I don't know... changing the Lord of the Ring so that Saruman repents and returns to the good side.
The only game from the past I remember almost fully is FF8.
(since it was my first.)
@Hitodama that would be awesome.
@MetaAndrewT. In the original game, there is a scene with Caith Sith. He reads Cloud and Aerith future.
He says their fate was to be together. Again, they talk about fate there.
I commented somewhere, sometime, that my vision of the last GoT season is a total twist of the plot where it turns out the Night King is the "good guy" and everyone else are actually evil. Too bad the writers had other plans in mind. :P
11:36 AM
@Hitodama yep, I remembered that scene (been rewatching the gameplay recently)
@ShadowThePrincessWizard plot-twist twisted again?
@MetaAndrewT. Seems that the commercial is trying to bait users into thinking that the plot was changed at its core,
@MetaAndrewT. again?
Just my wild vision after watching season 7.
so, there is two possible scenarios:
@ShadowThePrincessWizard everyone being evil in GoT is hardly a twist.
@ShadowThePrincessWizard Mandela effect!
11:38 AM
@user58 Jon
And more...
A) the original plot is kept --> angry mob of Aerith fans who bought an EPISODIC game split at least in 3 episodes for full price and invested probably at least 4 years to get the full game and discover nothing changed.
b) the plot is changed --> angry mob of folks who bought an EPISODIC game split at least in 3 episodes for full price and invested probably at least 4 years to get the full game and then discover that wasn't the game they played back then.
IMHO, they should be very clear from the start and state if the plot is the same or not.
I have plenty of friends who will only buy the game in one of the two scenarios, and they know that.
Trying to spread confusion like the commercial is doing... will maybe give them more sales on the first episode....
And a lot of angry users down the line.
I find moderation efforts frustrating. When respectful disagreement is treated as trolling simply because some people are (subjectively) offended by, I feel that there is a precise choice of alienating users because of their views - regardless of how reasonably or rationally they present them.
@EmanueleCiriachi That's the essence of one of the major problems of SE these days, true.
@EmanueleCiriachi There is probably an MSE post about that somewhere.
They try to be inclusive to everyone, and that's just not possible.
11:48 AM
@Hitodama you mean like SE? That some users refuse the change, and others embrace it?
If you force people to be inclusive, you ought to do the opposite for other people.
Specifically it is possible to prohibit to offend people. What it is not possible, is to ensure that nobody feels offended.
But that's not going to be fixed, so discussing it will go nowhere. :/
@EmanueleCiriachi It is possible to troll while appearing to be "respectful" and "reasonable" and "rational". Indeed, that is precisely what skilful trolling is. So to suggest that something that appears to be respectful, reasonable and rational can not be trolling is incorrect.
well, there's no free speech on SE though.
11:50 AM
@Raedwald It's a double edged stick though. People can call "trolling" anything they don't like, so their will is enforced and it's removed.
@Raedwald that is also correct, and in that case it is not possible to evade the context. I make no secret on being socially conservative, and people who disagree will dislike my views. I will, however, present them as clearly as I can so that people will at least understand why I act the way I do.
sorry - I wrote "no mistake" but I meant "no secret"
@MetaAndrewT. please... I was trying to talk about games there.... -_-'
@Hitodama welp, it just reminds me of any other remakes/remasters.. you can't please everyone...
@MetaAndrewT. but if you are selling a remake, you should be clear if the plot has been altered.
after all, a big share of your market will be people who liked the original.
I thought it's called "remake" because it's not just a "remaster"?
11:58 AM
and they liked the original plot. They may be willing to give you money for a remake if the experience is the same but updated with new graphics, but they may be not interested in playing "a different Final Fantasy"
Consider the remakes of homeworld and starcraft
exact same game, shinier graphics
or are those remasters.
@MetaAndrewT. yep, but so far it isn't clear if Remake == added content like expanded Avalanche backstory, more cities, more minigames etc.... or Remake == This time Cloud is actually Zack (just an example)
also wouldn't that render advent children non canon?
@JourneymanGeek considering they won't probably remake advent children..... they could be fine with that.
@Hitodama what is this, star wars?
12:01 PM
Eeeek, they could even really pull out a Cloud is Zack thing and tie FF7 to KH, since that watchers of fate looks suspiciously like the members of a certain organization...
If the ultimate measurement of what is allowed and what is not is the amount of people that dislike it, this leaves the system open to emotional manipulation.
Cloud is actually Zack, and Aerith survives, then they live happily ever after. The end :/
@Hitodama ... so Mickey?
@JourneymanGeek :D
Shinra == Animaniacs?
@MetaAndrewT. oh, if that is the plot I am fine with it. I am one of the few dissenters out there that keep thinking the death was a "last minute need more drama" move.
12:03 PM
So chaotic... chaotic?
and the minigames are like cooking, flowering garden, ...
@rene It would be great if the Status Webpage had a link to the Help File, and there was contained that info - so they could send people to a specific page instead of explaining the same thing a few times per year.
Oh and since you are talking about FF7; I played the original game on PC when I was in high school, over 20 years ago. I think that even if they keep the story identical it would not feel the same to most people, as people tend to change significantly in 20+ years.
@EmanueleCiriachi angry about that thing back then, angry today
It would not have the same emotional impact; they might as well change the details.
12:09 PM
@Rob "help" is missing across that site so that would need another issue. But yeah, we rely a lot on off-site resources, hearsay and individuals excellence ...
@EmanueleCiriachi yup, i recently replayed the ps4(or ps3 maybe?) remaster
if anything, i was angier at sephiroth now, than i was back then.
I recall playing it when I was... what, 12?
Aerith died and I was like :O
but that was it really.
@EmanueleCiriachi talked somewhere else about that before, probably in the RPG chat room. I had a very specific plot in mind, but it basically mean that at the very least disk 3 has to be rewritten for the most part.
and probably part of disk 2 too.
It will evoke the feelings we felt back then - after all our memory is associative - but we may not be impressed by an exact remake with better graphics. It would make some of us feel that the memory we had of the game was embellished.
Since we're here - is there a delay on the change of one's avatar?
Does it need to be reviewed?
@EmanueleCiriachi shouldiblamecaching.com
chat takes some time to catch up
12:21 PM
And last but not least, is it the same across all sites across the stack exchange network?
@terdon Ha! Caching disabled on my browser with devtools open. As a web developer, I'm used to prevent that...
Not sure if it's on our end, I think it's some sort of server-side caching and it takes some time for changes to propagate. I really don't know though, just guessing.
avatar changes take until your chat profile is refreshed to propagate
Since mods have a tool to force it, pretty sure it's server-side.
You can have a different avatar on all sites.
Probably bit of both
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