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3:00 AM

Truth is, awful lot of folks don't want a democracy. They hate their neighbors; they hate even talking to their neighbors. They want a strongman to come in and bully their neighbors into submission, so that they don't have to talk to them.

And they get what they want. And don't like it, but now it's too late.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

@Laf No, because it's a federal republic.

Laf

I'm not familiar with the political system's descriptions (at least in english). It's a democracy because we elect people, but then they do what they want so in that sense this isn't a democracy, is this what I should be understanding?

The forest of Reinstate Monica

That's not what a democracy is, although that is a part of democracy.

And electing people is representative democracy anyway, not democracy.

Laf

I think I get what you are saying.

Shog9

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Q: How does direct democracy compare to representative democracy?

Back in the olden days of Greece, direct democracy was practiced. All citizens could vote directly on every issue decided by the state. This is significantly different to the representative democracy practiced in almost all democratic countries today, whereby the people elect a much smaller gro...

democracy

Laf

3:04 AM

Thanks Shog ;)

The forest of Reinstate Monica

There are democratic aspects of the US political system (after all, some people are permitted to vote), but it's not a democracy. A democracy, as Shog9 refers to in the link he posted, is about voting on issues. A representative democracy is similar, but is based on electing people to operate a federal republic. Fundamentally, the US runs as a federal republic with members brought into office through a process of, ostensibly, representative democracy.

Laf

Direct democracy would be crazy to see in action.

Shog9

depends on how it's implemented

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Democracy in general is crazy to see in action.

user245382

is Democracy the one where they have literal brawls in their meetings?

The forest of Reinstate Monica

3:10 AM

It's one of them.

I think the term you're looking for is "government".

LinkBerest

Legislative violence happens in all government

user245382

lol "Ancient Rome"

Shog9

The big problem with representative democracy is that the visible output of your representative is rules. So it ends up being a perverse incentive: if they're not making rules, they're lazy. This is ok in a small town where they have real jobs and mostly you just need them to make sure the budget gets divided adequately between plowing roads in the winter and rebuilding them in the summer...

...But it's not so OK on the larger scale where most of the important work is delegated anyway: now your reps are motivated to try to create divisions in their constituency so that they can appear to be serving at least part of it.

nevermind that the work they're doing is mostly to (not) fix problems they themselves created. They're doing something!

(and meanwhile, the roads stop getting fixed.)

...Y'all noticed that, right? While we're busy arguing over which laws are needed to slap down which neighbors, our infrastructure is crumbling and the money that should be going to rebuild it is instead going into the pockets of rent-seekers.

Laf

I don't know about you, but our head clown is more preoccupied about his halloween disguise than doing actual work.

LinkBerest

I have to give my hardest lecture tomorrow Functional Programming. Funny part is this is not the "hardest" because its my least used, its my hardest because I mix my paradigms so much that I always want to go way too much in-depth with this subject.

like way into functional composition and the evils of multi-line lambdas in Java

Journeyman Geek

3:23 AM

Oo

...Java...

is still a thing

Yup

even if I like Python better

Shog9

but y

user245382

3:24 AM

used in billions of devices

Journeyman Geek

My employer uses it exclusively ._.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Java is why we can't have nice things.

LinkBerest

I also really like C# but there just isn't any work around here for that language :\

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I hate C#, but I love C.

I just hate C# because it's a MS platform and I don't use or like MS.

Journeyman Geek

I get the idea that the big problem with Java isn't Java

The forest of Reinstate Monica

3:25 AM

C, Python, and shell are my favorites. I like ASM too but it's very niche nowadays.

@JourneymanGeek It's the people writing it. :P

ENTERPRISE code (tm)

Journeyman Geek

It's Enterprise software and the sheer amount of stuff bolted on to a simple spec

Can't even blame people here

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Enterprise Quality Code: github.com/EnterpriseQualityCoding/FizzBuzzEnterpriseEdition

LinkBerest

@JourneymanGeek my typical problem is I rebuild system infrastructure so data scientists can do stuff so I always end up with "legacy Java"

"legacy anything" is just always evil

Journeyman Geek

Yup

Laf

I do Java too, almost exclusively.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

3:27 AM

It's a big problem for the poor saps in the embedded industry who need to use it.

E.g. in smart cards.

Journeyman Geek

Sadly I can't tell most of the fun stories of being a 'monitoring engineer'

Shog9

y'know what's cool? FORTH.

You aren't a True Libertarian unless you program in FORTH.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

import com.seriouscompany.business.java.fizzbuzz.packagenamingpackage.interfaces.strategies.FizzBuzzOutputStrategy;

Shog9

Also, you have to implement your own threaded FORTH interpreter.

Journeyman Geek

I thought the old-school language of the gods was litsp...

The forest of Reinstate Monica

3:29 AM

It is. And lisp (and its dialects) is not bad.

LinkBerest

Lisp is fun when I want to warp my brain thinking about logic gates

The forest of Reinstate Monica

COBOL was the old-school language for businesses, and FORTRAN for physics simulations.

Actually, FORTRAN is still popular for that.

LinkBerest

we don't talk about COBOL

The forest of Reinstate Monica

@LinkBerest Hah, you just need to use a lisp machine. :D

LinkBerest

then again we end up talking about it fairly regularly

user310756

3:31 AM

@MonicaCellio I wondered if they had been threatened with a law suit. I think it's because they wanted to introduce the new CoC and someone was trigger happy with the dismissal. The strange thing was the rush of the whole thing. It's a shame they chose you to be the poster girl - so to speak. In fact no one should have been singled out. They could have rounded everyone up and said "hey this is what we expect from you all as mods" It was handled very badly.

LinkBerest

I think Matlab and/or Python has finally overtaken FORTRAN for physics stuff (but yeah, you still run into it in academia)

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Fermilabs still uses it heavily.

Sage is also not uncommon now.

It's very slow though.

LinkBerest

just my observation, could be wrong as I'm not a physicist just occasionally play with the same math (or get them to do the math so I can just code ;) )

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Python is kind of overtaking everything tbh

It's just so powerful.

LinkBerest

in academia, yeah. In industry, depends on area

Shog9

3:38 AM

Man... I remember when Java first came out. "We're building these set-top boxes" they said, "simple little computers" they claimed, "so here's a simple little language for 'em. And also browsers."

It was cool. My brother had a poster with the entire standard class library on it.

And then folks started using it for serious stuff, and it all went sour.

Laf

lol "Want to kill this fly you have in your house? Use this bazooka we've made just for this purpose."

I think it works fine when you know what you are doing. Depends on the type of systems you are working on.

LinkBerest

@Shog9 "It like C++ but way simpler!!"

Shog9

"way simpler" was the selling point originally.

...oh the irony...

LinkBerest

I remember that

Shog9

Years later, one of my little brothers went to college and had a class that used Java for assignments. The prof had written their own class library, which you were required to use for all assignments. I have no idea what the point was.

LinkBerest

3:42 AM

I remember being so excited about just not having to deal with garbage collection and then getting my first real Java job.....ah, my naivete was quickly smashed

then blown up

then burned

Shog9

I remember when memory management was a big concern. Then I realized that IO was useful.

LinkBerest

presumably that professor was bad at writing tests

Shog9

No worse than at everything else

LinkBerest

fair

Shog9

IIRC, the lib was like SWT, but somehow even less complete. Which I guess is something of an achievement in and of itself.

Laf

3:46 AM

I guess the prof didn't want his students to go check on SO for answers :P

Shog9

ah... well, this was many years before SO

Although there's something to that theory

LinkBerest

I only wrote one library I "forced" my students to use (it was deceptively bad: half follows SOLID, mixes a few styles, names are bad, etc...). It's point? That was their first code review

Laf

Oh. I though you were like 25 years old :D

Shog9

heh.

Java books were selling for < $20 at the time. Hard to make money on self-published textbooks if you're teaching stuff that working programmers use.

Laf

I'm glad I never had to pay for a self-published book during my education.

Shog9

3:48 AM

nothing like paying $80 for a xeroxed pamphlet whose sole purpose is to document a library you'll use for exactly one semester

Laf

Cost to benefit analysis in these cases are.. interesting ;)

Shog9

...there's a reason I audited a few classes but never went for a university education

LinkBerest

lol...oh, those students would have to ask on /., javaranch, and random forums

Shog9

codeguru was around I think

USENET was mostly bins but maybe

I donno. Late '90s were a weird time.

LinkBerest

oh, yeah I forgot about guru (I never used USENET for Java)

Laf

3:51 AM

The dark ages. CodeGuru and java ranch.

Shog9

books were going to shit, but also the Internet was also going to shit.

I have a sneaking suspicion most students today have no idea just how terrible the 'Net was for programming info before SO

Laf

Surfing the web in the 90s was more about trying to find a damn web page without the blinking marquees and font colors that didn't make you want to rip your eyes out of their sockets.

Shog9

It wasn't that the info wasn't there; it was that finding it was like browsing for porn... Except with more ads.

LinkBerest

and more viruses

Shog9

the viruses were a feature

that's how you learned IT

LinkBerest

3:54 AM

I always like Python students who cannot understand why a company would ever say no to them when they ask to use a non-standard library

Laf

Those students must be hoarders then :P

"Moar libraries means moar success"

Journeyman Geek

@LinkBerest ohhhh god

I had to sit through a course on corporate open source usage

LinkBerest

@Shog9 I particularly remember the nightmare of trying to find something on the web for changing Cobol Tables (nested tables) into workable data structures with J2SE (EE?) during my first job....and there being nothing online about the new "collections" framework cause it was just too new (and books were worse)

Shog9

heh

LinkBerest

@JourneymanGeek I had to teach one once :) <- this is the type of smile you give while giving that lesson (it is not a real smile)

Shog9

4:05 AM

Java: "we're better than traditional datastructures"
Also Java: "Oh shit, people are working with a lot of structured data"
Java, later on: "OH SHIT, people are doing IO with structured data"

Remember code generators?

"Java has no macros or templates, but it's cool - just define all of your data in XML and then generate 80% of your code from that"

4

LinkBerest

@Shog9 no, no I don't. And you can't make me plugs ears and goes LALALALA!

Shog9

Pro: compiles 400x faster than C++
Con: for some reason there's 800x code

LinkBerest

....POJO generators still exist apparently...... dear, lord, WHY?

user194636

Ten thousand words in that article. I skipped the 1900 comments.

Shog9

save those for the next time you need penance

you'll thank me - so much less awkward than whipping yourself

LinkBerest

4:10 AM

I wonder if I can find the old "how to decide which code generator to use?" flowchart IBM used to give out

user194636

Nah the article is thought provoking. The comments did not get off to a strong start

Shog9

TBF, blog comments rarely do

user194636

Not written by professional authors tbf

Shog9

there's a sweet spot for blog comments, maybe 8-12 hours after the start

or there used to be at least

donno what horrible things social media has done to that timeline

user194636

My first thought was about the much greater variation within a group than across groups but I have to sleep on it. I get the more immediate points I think

Shog9

4:13 AM

you want the folks who've had time to digest the article and think of a constructive response... But not the folks who've had too much time to think

a week in, all you get is time cube and spam

user194636

Comments should require a small payment. That would help filter some of it maybe. But yeah sweet spot

LinkBerest

@Shog9 the worst part was when JSON first came out and it became: "Turn your XML into JSON or Code or POJO! All you need is XML & Java! It's magical!"

user194636

Also Reverse Polish notation gives me a headache

user194636

Easy for Stackers I guess 😀

LinkBerest

why would full stack devs use Reverse Polish notation? (I only remember using that when building a POS system....then again a lot of those are web based now)

user194636

4:17 AM

Forth thing

Shog9

easy to parse

got a stack? Done.

user194636

There is that

LinkBerest

Granted I still occasionally find people who think "If I write the perfect UML diagram the code will be perfect" (esp. in certain academic circles)

Shog9

I remember the first computer I owned w/ a whole megabyte of RAM. Such decadence. Parse anything, parse it the lazy way, keep the whole thing in memory.

Shit, don't parse it at all. Store it as a bitmap and compare it to other bitmaps. Go nuts - you got a whole *MEGABYTE* to waste!*
*except for the IO-mapped ranges

...And then you realized that RAM was really, really slow.

LinkBerest

I remember when I got to use Perl after Java - it was like programming was alive again

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user194636

4:22 AM

Seemed impractical to me. Who’s gonna type a million byte codes in copied from a computer magazine that probably had a typo anyway.

Shog9

that's what little brothers are for

user194636

Sadly I had a little sister

user194636

Hope she doesn’t read this transcript

user194636

Love ya sis!

Shog9

"wanna make a GAME?"
YEAH!
"ok - this book of graph paper is the bosses; here's how to convert them to hex..."

user194636

4:25 AM

Ha ha yeah

user194636

feels old

Shog9

in an attic somewhere, there's a notebook containing a Scorched Earth clone, written in pen, during some class where I was probably supposed to be taking notes

I recall being particularly proud of the blitter almost working

LinkBerest

heh, my first "job" (I was all of 10-12 I think) was my dad paying me .25 for copying printed spreadsheets (the old green & white, high speed printer kind) into some custom curses-based spreadsheet program he had written so he didn't have to

user194636

Future archeologists have their work cut out

LinkBerest

I remember working in the same industry as him a few years later and how hard it was to get him to switch to sc from his custom version

I should have never tried - a man and his program are not easily seperated

Journeyman Geek

4:49 AM

@Shog9 ._.

We get all the scut work 🤣

Shog9

The payoff there is... You get to learn from your elders' mistakes.

All of my younger siblings are far more intelligent than I am. :-/

Journeyman Geek

I was basically the runner at my brother's wedding

I also do entirely uncertified electrical work and plumbing

Runner in the military sense not the production house sense

@Shog9 my brother has a master's degree and a job my parents approve of. 🤣. I'm not sure I'm smarter . Just more versatile

The forest of Reinstate Monica

5:27 AM

@194636 Half the time it was in BASIC, which made it slightly easier to spot typos.

Except for all the DATA lines, of course.

user194636

@TheforestofReinstateMonica Yeah it was the DATA lines I was thinking of

The forest of Reinstate Monica

It's a shame they didn't come with checksums.

Even a simple summation of every byte word modulo 256 would suffice.

user194636

There would need to be a handy way of checking the checksums though

user194636

I suppose a calculator with hex would do at the cost of typing every line twice

The forest of Reinstate Monica

It'd be pretty easy to do inline in the code. Like uh... let's see if my memory is good enough for this...

1000 FOR i=0 TO ???
1010 READ x
1020 LET y=y+x
1030 NEXT i

I forget a lot of that, but that should get you the checksum byte in y by the end.

user194636

5:36 AM

I vaguely recall one of the magazines did something ... but I forget because it was after my DATA days

user194636

The games were never worth it anyway

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Well sometimes they were a lot of POKE cheats.

Which were too large to enter in manually with a bunch of POKE instructions.

Wait, no my code was wrong. I'm so used to languages where variables have widths.

I forgot how ugly it was to implement a modulo operation.

DEF FN mod(a,b)=a-INT (a/b)*b

[screams internally]

user194636

kids these days don't know they're born

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I forget, was there a way to tell how much DATA there was to READ?

Or did that get hardcoded?

user194636

excellent question

user194636

5:47 AM

I think the length was on the front

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Yeah that's usually how it was done, so you'd READ len first and then FOR i=0 TO len.

1000 DEF FN mod(a,b)=a-INT (a/b)*b
1010 LET chk=0
1020 READ len,sum
1030 FOR i=0 TO len
1040 READ data
1050 LET chk=chk+data
1060 LET chk=FN mod(chk,256)
1070 NEXT i
1080 IF NOT sum=chk THEN QUIT
2000 DATA 7,155
2010 DATA 94,67,130,60,27,201,88

Just for shits and grins.

user194636

Which dialect of BASIC is that?

The forest of Reinstate Monica

ZX48

user194636

I only used ZX80 and VIC-20/C64

The forest of Reinstate Monica

I think ZX80/ZX81 BASIC was more limited than ZX48/ZX128. I think that code would work on both.

Though the only real difference between 48 and 128 was the editor. With 48, each key would output a token. With 128, you'd type in the text and it would tokenize it after you press space.

user194636

5:54 AM

I used to specialize in almost getting 6502/6510 assembler to work

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Uglier than Z80 ASM for sure. Zilog Z80 may have had some quirks, but it was simple.

Didn't 6502 have some really really weird paging or something?

Something even weirder than segmentation on x86?

user194636

Well there was switching out the BASIC ROM to get more free space

user194636

But crikey this is like 35 years ago

user194636

Retrocomputing

user194636

didn't expect to get that magic link right

The forest of Reinstate Monica

5:57 AM

I've asked a few questions about ZX BASIC there. :P

user194636

Seen some really good answers from there via HNQ

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Agreed. I'm always surprised at how much history those guys know.

Mark

@TheforestofReinstateMonica The only real quirk of 6502 addressing is if you do a two-byte read across a 256-byte boundary: you get the first byte from the end of the 256-byte section, and the second byte from the beginning of the same 256-byte section. Other than that, it's basically flat memory with 16-bit addresses.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

ah

Mark

There's also a bit of an oddity where accessing the first 256 bytes of memory is easier than accessing the rest of it, meaning the "zero page" gets used in ways that other systems would use CPU registers.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

6:04 AM

Those quirks are always fun to learn about.

user194636

ooo yeah that zero page thing sounds familiar now you say it

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

6:25 AM

Okay...reading through the scrollback, I'm sort of confused about avatars...

The forest of Reinstate Monica

@SonictheReinstateMonica-hog In addition to people changing their names in support of Monica, a lot of people are using avatars that support reinstating her. I switched myself just today.

Sonic the Reinstate Monica-hog

Yeah, I did too, but I made mine more unique.

The forest of Reinstate Monica

Oh that's clever; didn't notice that from the icon.

I'm lazy so I didn't want to open up Gimp and mess with it.

rene

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mag

7:19 AM

morning

rene

\o

JAD

o/

mag

how were things over the weekend

I took a weekend off from here

rene

relatively easy going

JAD

Idk, I'm only really on SE whenever I'm at work

mag

7:38 AM

is it worth reading back the transcript? I saw 1.5k messages in my window yesterday

rene

depends how you want to start your week. If you like getting depressed, go ahead.

mag

that bad?

I have a whole lot of admin at work today, so I won't get any coding done anyways. I'm trying to delay that as much as possible

Tinkeringbell

8:14 AM

I wouldn't recommend reading up. It's the same old same old with different people :)

(I read up this morning on the train, glossed over most). I think Shog dropped an interesting link somewhere though...

mag

shog's links are always interesting or related to food

or both

Pëkka

Slate Star Codex' essays are AWESOME.

@Shog9 Shog for president!

mag

on a unrelated note it seems like activity on MSE is dying down roughly in line with outrage fatigue & burnout

JAD

@Pëkka Hmm, from an outsider looking in, that sounds like America in general

mag

8:30 AM

I'm sure we're all excited for the 2020 year long election campaign extravaganza that we'll all have to listen to in every media outlet despite the fact that it happens a continent away

JAD

@mag yep, all those questions like "Is SE just waiting for all of this to blow over and die out?" can be answered with a resounding yes, since it has been shown time and time again that it works

mag

with that and a longer brexit delay, 2020 promises to be the perfect time to stop listening to or reading news

JAD

Jokes on you, I already started doing that in 2019

mag

@JAD it's a critical failing of our modern outrage cycle. It happens so often and on so many fronts that it fades quickly. The brighest fires die first.

even the hongkong thing is starting to fade quickly. That blew up when it happened, and now it's on its way to turn into a footnote before christmas

JAD

Similar to the yellow jerseys

Tinkeringbell

8:40 AM

I'm almost scaring myself wondering what'll be next...

mag

I'm at a point where I can't really summon care anymore for what happens in the world. It seems every day reaches a new superlative, and every time I read some news it's the next worst thing yet (tm).

Outside of voting I don't really have influence either way and it weighs on my mood to read in so much variety how the world is going down the toilet

Tinkeringbell

@mag Hmmm. Find another news source? At least over here, that's not how the news in presented (yet?)

SPArchaeologist-様

@mag also know as the Sound of Silence.

Tinkeringbell

> People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

Lots of talking without speaking and hearing without listening everywhere lately...

SPArchaeologist-様

@Tinkeringbell wrong song, my friendly parrot, wrong song.

Tinkeringbell

8:50 AM

@SPArchaeologist-様 Best song though..

@Bart now that you're here... don't go. I've got something for you, lemme dig up a link :D

Bart

Uhoh

SPArchaeologist-様

@Tinkeringbell nahhh.... considering how now we are in the "won't touch meta with a 6-8 meter long pole" phase, I think the other one is more appropiate

Tinkeringbell

@Bart npostart.nl/even-tot-hier/26-10-2019/BV_101394600 < Start at about 2:55 ;)

JAD

@Tinkeringbell picking news outlets to hear the news you want to hear is at best fighting symptoms though :/

Tinkeringbell

@JAD Not necessarily the news you want to hear, but at least how it's presented. Facts are okay, but it it's presented as 'the next worst thing' (tm)... that's a bit of a problem ;)

JAD

8:54 AM

Oh, I read what Mag said as it being objectively the next worst thing, rather than being presented as such

SPArchaeologist-様

> 'Cause rainbows won't light up the sky
Unless you let it rain
And candles just won't glow until they're burned

Bart

@Tinkeringbell hahaha, that is quite the version :D

Tinkeringbell

@Bart It's almost as good as the one from Floor and Henk ;)

Bart

... right ... sure ... almost

Journeyman Geek

You?

Bart

9:09 AM

I said nozzink

Tinkeringbell

9:22 AM

chat.meta.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/8012384#8012384 < Doesn't look like nothing to me.

djsmiley2k - CoW

@Tinkeringbell I think both options are available

depending on the type of firework, there's always 'some' sound.

mag

9:39 AM

eyeballs-pls reads as unfriendly / nln : meta.stackexchange.com/questions/335785/…

djsmiley2k - CoW

the question?

Once again, I have the same problem as I did with the original changes - I've no way to verify what's being claimed.

David A

There is no such thing as "hate speech" under first amendment jurisprudence in the USA, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist in other contexts. Looks like it's gone.

mag

no that was a comment

djsmiley2k - CoW

k, then it was gone before I saw it.

Bart

Such a slow smiley

djsmiley2k - CoW

9:54 AM

yus

i r tired.

sleepy

Journeyman Geek

free spam flags meta.stackexchange.com/questions/336905/…

Get it before someone else does!

djsmiley2k - CoW

@JourneymanGeek both answers there.... aren't xD

David A

10:20 AM

I wonder if Blizzard will cancel Blizzcon because they're too scared to face the public.

Just from a corporate communications standpoint. I don't actually play their games.

Bart

Nah, it will go on as usual.

David A

Events over the past 18 months of my life have proven to me that you can't effectively lead with your head down.

Bart

Keep in mind that Blizzcon is an event for fans who have paid >200USD to be there and hear about the games they're devoted to.

user58

10:38 AM

Yo army, you're stressing me out

djsmiley2k - CoW

@DavidA Or if you must, do it at a run? XD

Shadow

@user58 hmm? Did they טרטרו you? :/

mag

@user58 did they also arm you?

Shadow

The army has such irritating things sometimes, e.g. sending the new recruit somewhere, just to be sent back to the army office instead.

It's just part of being big and clumsy organization, I guess.

@mag they're not recruited yet, so likely no firearms for @user58 yet. ;)

Shadow

10:57 AM

...

Pëkka

I can't update my user profile any more, even when I just open it and click save. It says "Oops! There was a problem updating your profile:
can't save your About Me field with that content."
Got two links in there to Meta posts critical of SO. Surely they're not disallowing those now? Does somebody else want to try this? I don't want to fiddle around with them too much because right now they're grandfathered in and I don't want to lose them

mag

@Pëkka probably some new regex you tripped

Pëkka

@mag that seems like the most likely explanation. Just don't want to test this too much so as not to lose my links (in case they're REALLY blocking those now.... which I find hard to believe)

Bart

Seems to work just fine for me @Pëkka if I include the first link. See meta.stackexchange.com/users/161198/bart?tab=profile

Meta Andrew T.

Genuine handbags don't work like that...

Cerbrus

11:01 AM

Maybe the title of the URL can be removed?

djsmiley2k - CoW

lol I love non-genuine handbags :9

Cerbrus

meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/386324/… -> meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/386324

user58

@Shadow I'm filling out my שאלון העדפות

Shadow

@user58 oh. And? What's wrong with it?

@Pëkka looks like it's fixed now? I see your profile with the links.

Bart

I tried all the links you have in your current profile @Pëkka. None of them cause any issues for me.

Oh goodie, of course the post I dupe-hammered got reopened.

David A

11:09 AM

@Pëkka Is it the 웃?

Pëkka

Awesome. Thank you! Then it must be something else.
Really, really have zero interest in writing the 185th outrage post

@DavidA it says it's something in the About Me field so it must be something else!

Bart

if(user==Pëkka){ AssumeHandbagFraud(); }

Meta Andrew T.

@DavidA no, I just tried it and it passed.

user58

@Shadow some of the options are... interesting but stressful to think about

rene

@Bart to keep up appearances of this room I'm bound to dupe hammer it again ....

Bart

11:22 AM

@rene :D I honestly want to go "Really? Are you all that dim?", but that would not be polite now would it :p Let's see if it ever gets a response.

rene

I just hammered it after the comment from LRiO came in ...

Shadow

@user58 how so? You mean when you need to select gender? Doubt IDF got anything except the basic he/she... you mean that?

Bart

@rene sure, hide behind LRiO :p

rene

it is safe, right?

Shadow

@rene LRiO?! Laura Ree Orion?

@Pëkka you probably didn't edit it for years until now, and the regex changed since then...

user58

11:43 AM

@Shadow no

I mean like applying for intelligence units

Shadow

@user58 oh. The "shushu" units? I'm surprised it's even an option, lol

> I would like to serve as a super secret spy

:D

user58

"click this button to apply for the mossad"

...kidding, not quite like that

mag

I spy a @user58

we're onto you :P

user58

welp, my cover's been blown

Bart

@Shadow how is it wrong to dupehammer that question?

Shadow

11:59 AM

@Bart feels wrong... I don't 100% agree with OP, but 50% are enough doubt.

So when not sure, I won't use hammer.

In edge cases, better let several people decide, that's my point.

Bart

Well, I was sure, motivated that, wasn't the first to cast a close vote for the reason. rene after me will probably have followed similar motivations. So you already are up to 3 people. And we are given the ability to hammer for a reason. You used it to singlehandedly reopen. All fine with me, I just don't agree with "wrong".

Shadow

I just returned it to blank slate.

@Bart wrong in my own personal opinion. Won't impose my opinions, and reopened just to give fair chance.

Bart

I don't expect anything else than what has been stated in the dupe target, if a response comes at all. Let's see.

Shadow

12:18 PM

!!/coffee Bart's Smiting Stick

SmokeDetector

@Shadow brews a cup of Macchiato for @Bart's

Bart

12:28 PM

Oooh nice, I could use some coffee with my lunch

Shadow

!!/lunch Bart

SmokeDetector

@Shadow No such command 'lunch'.

Shadow

@JNat hey, in case you're still into it, cross site spammer for your gentle care. :)

Meta Andrew T.

ugh, great... lactose intolerant...

Shadow

?

Pëkka

12:37 PM

@Bart a discrimination lawsuit waiting to happen!!!!!!!

Bart

@Pëkka don't shoot the messengerbag

Pëkka

@Shadow I edited it only a week ago, hence the immediate jump to thinking it's something they changed in reaction to the ongoing drama

@Bart lol

Shadow

@Pëkka heh. So it's what @Bart said. ;)

Pëkka

There is no evidence linking me to the counterfeit hand bag business.
And whatever there is, was edited in later. By Russian bots and websites. To discredit me.

user351483

@Pëkka Can I order a Louis Vitton from you?

Pëkka

12:50 PM

@Snow da, друг! Send $29 to pekka_handЬags@yandex.Яu

^^see this is the russian bots in action

I absolutely disavow anything they say!

But is it a good idea to send money just in case.

^^ Silence, bots!

@Shadow didn't see that earlier. No, that was the Meta profile text I had in there for the past week or two. Even trying to save it with no changes results in the "oops!" message

That's a hint they've changed something since I last edited that text

Tinkeringbell

Wait, are there handbags on sale now? Where?!

Shadow

@Tinkeringbell frozen in ice

oh no

in Let's get philosophical, Sep 21 '12 at 3:30, by Pekka

No, I'm all sold out I'm afraid.

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