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2:11 AM
somehow morning?
 
2:46 AM
Woof
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ je viens de Chine et j'apprends français.
@JourneymanGeek did you mean Voof? :P
 
3:04 AM
No?
 
3:41 AM
Is there a firearms Stack Exchange?
 
Failed proposal, if I'm not mistken
Firearmsfirearms.stackexchange.com

Q&A site for firearm experts and enthusiasts.

Closed after 185 days in beta.

 
That's too bad. Is there any site for asking about firearm use and maintenance?
 
Since that failed proposal, I don't think so
 
Nothing for general purpose hardware maintenance or something?
 
3:58 AM
Maybe you can ask how to make one on Arts & Crafts.
 
har har
 
4:25 AM
@forest one of the more suprising things - I know a few (past?) SE employees were firearms enthusiasts, and its a fairly active/vocal community. So not getting traction enough to have their site make it past early beta is a bit surprising
 
Rob
@forest At least that one is visible, there was one for "Knives and Swords" at https://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/34298/knives-and-swords but it was nuked and doesn't turn up in a search.
 
technically those are arms, not firearms, even if you set it on fire
 
heh
 
Rob
Strangely weapons site proposals don't see to do well, despite the popularity {?}
 
Are they disallowed or something?
 
Rob
4:29 AM
Not popular (enough).
 
ah
 
Rob
If lots of people signed up and wrote great questions there's a chance it could move forward.
Not sure why Knives and Swords got the axe.
 
Well knives and swords seems far more niche.
 
Rob
Like we couldn't have MJ.SE because everyone would be too laid back and not make the effort. 🚬
 
MJ?
 
Rob
4:33 AM
Look at smiley
Ist verboten
 
I see a square box containing the hex "01f6ac".
 
MJ -= Mary Jane... a term for marijuana.
 
Ah
I'd subscribe to a beta for weed. lol
 
Rob
We'll just call it 01F6AC from now on.
 
0x1a4
 
Rob
4:36 AM
Apparently 50% of the people would, and it's legal in a few countries, and locally in a few States.
 
Who cares if it's legal? It's not hurting anyone.
Victimless crimes should never be made illegal.
 
Rob
SE cares if it's legal/moral)etc.
 
The production of weaponized fissile material is illegal, but that doesn't stop WorldBuilding or Physics from legally discussing it.
 
Rob
Well on space.SE you can't discuss building a rocket.
 
well, in the case of firearms it was a lack of interest
 
4:39 AM
Well yeah, it's off-topic there.
But on Physics, an appropriate question would certainly be on-topic.
 
fun fact. If I went someone that weed was legal, smoked it/injested it and came back, and was drug tested positive for it, I could still go to jail. ;p
 
That's messed up.
 
Rob
Not "OT" because it is OT. It's OT because discussion is not allowed.
 
@Rob Why not?
 
@forest Funner fact. I saw this on an ad at a bus stop
 
4:41 AM
@JourneymanGeek Oh, it's probably just propaganda then. Those often lie.
 
@forest oh, its definately a law
 
Which country?
 
Singapore
 
ah
@Rob Looking it up, I see many questions related to that on Space.SE.
 
Rob
In Asia and the Philippines the laws are different from North America with respect to usage. In NA they were going to prohibit government officials from crossing the border because their jobs involved drugs, but after a lot of thought they figured out that was stupid.
Forest, back in a minute.
 
4:44 AM
aight
(I'll be gone in a minute too though, so I'll have to read the scroll log)
 
Rob
@forest - Please read here concerning "on topic", on Space.SE. Quoting:
- Questions relating to amateur experiments that are extremely dangerous, such as home-brew rocket propellant

WARNING: This community does not condone such experiments as there may be risk to your health (or even risk of death), and they may even be illegal in your jurisdiction. If you are considering making your own rocket propellant/fuel, please DO NOT DO THIS! Rocket propellant is extremely dangerous, and the protection and storage requirements are best left to professionals.
 
Oh I get it, just a safety thing.
Just like EE sometimes doesn't answer questions about amateurs and high voltage.
But that seems to be about amateur rocket experiments.
I imagine a rocket engineer or a professional could ask a question happily.
 
Rob
So it is "OnT" - but they don't allow it, so they call it OT. Clear as mud.
They probably don't allow explosives and nerve gas on Chemistry.SE - though I'm not looking it up.
 
5:00 AM
Technically the sort of question a pro would ask would be ... rocket science compared to...
@Rob there's a few "unusual" rules that are not that well documented on many sites
like SU's rather disliked hackintosh rule.
well disliked when you want to ask a hackintosh question anyway
also
don't do it, you will hurt yourself can be an answer
 
Rob
@JourneymanGeek Some have documentation that people are eventually pointed to as sympathy starts to kick in and the downvotes are liberally applied - like asking a Kali question on U&L and other sites. Know it, or leave it alone; no more questions!
 
@Rob kali is an interesting case though
quite a lot of the folks who ask questions kind of...
lack basic knowledge, and confuse the tools with the skills they need
 
Rob
You have to know, or don't ask.
 
so in many cases there's a literal amount of lack of research
 
Rob
True the questions are poorly founded.
 
5:13 AM
(aibobot is my sock btw)
I don't actually blame them
 
Rob
But in that case people are prohibited from saying noob be gone!
 
Not everyone is cut out to be a hacker (or dev). and folks kinda assume we can take short cuts
and we don't teach people to look at the bigger set of skills they need to do things
 
Rob
Yes, "I won't 'Google It™' I'll just ask a few questions and make a dozen comments asking for clarification on Stack Exchange / Overflow" -- everyone will be my pal and hep me.
 
and we fill their heads with the idea that they need to be a programmer or dev, whether or not that makes them happy
 
Rob
[intentional misspelling]
 
5:17 AM
@Rob one of the unis I studied in actually had a course on googling...
and it basically was an awesome, useful thing
 
Rob
I really like that animated 'google it' URL that is filtered out of comments, it is pretty good but not friendly enough.
 
eh
so, an essential skill that you can't google for, and people are crap at teaching is actually picking up on all the little bits of information around and putting them together
So the problem with the folks using kali is really
the folks teaching them are not teaching them the full spectrum of things.
I've got a degree in computer forensics and ISM
and they quite literally sometimes throw you a project/puzzle with little input
and that really helps you solve a problem
so while from the SE perpective, I do get the quality control
its actually a symptom, IMO of lower quality teaching, non holisitic approaches and well... people getting failed by the system
on the other hand, not our problem - unless they want to make the effort to go above and beyond.
(incidentally - one of the things I recommend people try is to pick a project, and build it based on information you can find - and only asking questions when you're stuck)
 
Rob
There's a lot of bits and pieces to know, to use a tool correctly. A couple of quick questions won't help unless the question is which school rates best for penetration courses or what's the site with the best set of beginners links - so I can come back in a few years with a great question.
 
@Rob see both those things would be off topic
 
Rob
Yes.
 
5:29 AM
Personal humblebrag/example
I built my own router - basically a variation on this arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/04/…
on the other hand , I didn't copy it completely - I swapped bind and the dhcp server they used for dnsmasq, went with firewalld for easier management, and got bitten by an odd bug with netplan and dnsmasq
I then got stuck with ipv6 - and found a useful howto here superuser.com/a/745403/10165 worked on it, then documented my variations
and real problems are often not just one tool
its a synthesis of many moving parts
 
Rob
It's like an old boys club - no way to enter (via this route). Put another way,: "You can't get there from here".
 
not really
 
Rob
A better analogy?
 
what you get out of a place depends on what you take with you
but I'm not a fan of the way we teach tech - I prefer a more... vocational approach
 
Rob
I went back to school a few times. I took with me smokes, coffee money, enough cash for a good lunch and bus fare. It was enough to leave with perfect attendance and marks over 90%>
I couldn't (wouldn't wanted to) have taken less with me, and couldn't have gotten much more out of it. No one gets 100%.
Speaking of which, time for a poison stick and adrenaline top-up.
Back in an hour.
 
6:13 AM
@ɪBᴜɢ right, je forgot
 
 
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7:19 AM
@Rob more that the trick to sucessfully using Q&A sites is that its more than a place to ask questions
its also useful as a way to sharpen your skills and find interesting problems
 
Stabbing @Journey with sharpened skills
My skills are military grade weapons now
crypto.stackexchange.com/questions/66461/… Someone should most definitely edit that title
The question made it to HNQ
 
/me sends @M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ to the blades and swords SE
 
Isn't that meta.SO?
I was already there, reading a rant and having breakfast
 
no, that's stabby.se.
 
stab.SE for all things stabbable
 
7:28 AM
Meh, pending edit on Crypto HNQ :(
 
not to be confused with bludgeon.SE
 
@Magisch I wonder what "What topics can I ask about here?" would contain
 
I'd prefer stub.SE
 
> - for cases of possible consequences of murder, visit law.stackexchange.com
 
no no
its PCAA.SE
Percussive cranial attitude adjustment
 
7:31 AM
... okay, I thought it's Pakistan Civil Aviation Authority...
 
Or Personal Computer AA battery
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ tu apprends français?
 
bu zhi dao
 
@ɪBᴜɢ Non
Not yet at least
 
languages like French, Spanish and Italian are easy to learn once you have some basic knowledge of a similar one
 
7:38 AM
I tried German and Esperanto. I just can't pronounce French (and unfortunately Chinese) words easily...
 
je comprends tres un peux francais.....
actually I can understand french if its spoken non natively
 
@andmyself French pronunciation is tricky IMO
especially when you try to match it with text
 
"tricky"? I'd use another word not appropriate in professional contexts
 
all those silent letters and liaison, especially when 2 or 3 letters are silent at end
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ if you can gank michel thomas' language cds somewhere
he has a lot of tricks for tat
 
7:41 AM
The only memorable thing for me is "the silent H" because I learnt that from... Detective Conan
 
H is silent in Latin, so ...
 
Even the English alphabet is already confusing for some of us. Ei? Bee? See?
 
The Great Vowel Shift was a series of changes in the pronunciation of the English language that took place primarily between 1350 and the 1600s and 1700s, beginning in southern England and today having influenced effectively all dialects of English. Through this vowel shift, all Middle English long vowels changed their pronunciation. Some consonant sounds changed as well, particularly those that became silent; the term Great Vowel Shift is sometimes used to include these consonant changes.English spelling began to become standardized in the 15th and 16th centuries, and the Great Vowel Shift is...
meat and meet used to pronounce differently, and are also different from their current pronunciation
 
@andmyself A lot of the argewments I sea on metuh are the epitoam of hyperbowl
 
Come to think of it, I don't even know much about the history of my language!
 
7:47 AM
BBL some studying
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ I like HyperBowl.
okay, apparently Austronesian language. Because everytime I see Indo-European/Indo-German, I thought that's related to my language orz
 
Rob
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ Should have made a question involving a title: "How to lookup a dress".
 
Rob
@JourneymanGeek I used to have time to spend days researching the answer to questions but after too many rewards of less than 30 rep for that and too many rewards of 100's of Rep for questions taking a few hours research it became apparent that many don't really care for the mind numbing answers, or even the difficult ones, and that small bites appeal to a bigger audience. I know that's sad, but I don't own it.
 
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ think Red Baron was when edit caused a negative scored question to have positive score... the aggression question is at -12, far from positive. So no red baron to whoever edited it. :D
@Rob yeah looks like some are not aware of it. So we should just tell them. :)
@M.A.R.ಠ_ಠ trivial: the one and only consequence of murder is death of someone. Not "possible consequence". Otherwise it wouldn't be called murder. Duh. ;)
 
Rob
8:04 AM
@ShadowWizard And himself didn't realize it was Mar's mar.
 
@Rob as long as you don't Rob anyone we're fine.
:D
awarding self a gold Awful Pun badge
 
Rob
🎰
[one arm bandit]
 
Google says it's "Slot Machine". ;)
 
Rob
✋😟✋ 🔫
Is that better,?
Looks like you have two left hands!
@ShadowWizard I think he meant criminal (or even civil) liability of the accused, not the consequences for the misfortunate one.
For example, an action that does not result in death within a year is not murder even if they end up dying of whatever was done. Another example is if something is done and they are kept alive, but unconscious, at the hospital and the family chooses to unplug them (and they don't live) the person can be charged with murder. One last one is self defense, where the death is deliberate, won't result in a conviction. All the above is for North America. Obviously elsewhere may not be the same.
 
8:26 AM
@Rob lol
@Rob ohh
 
Morning!
 
@Rob pretty much the same here, yep.
@Tinkeringbell Good?
 
@ShadowWizard Mediocre
 
I'm... having a hard time to understand this meta post on Earth Science...
2
 
Lost my access badge, was too late at the carpool spot, found the access badge, the 'nice' coworker is near today.
 
@Tinkeringbell oh. What prevents it from being good then? :|
 
2 mins ago, by Tinkeringbell
Lost my access badge, was too late at the carpool spot, found the access badge, the 'nice' coworker is near today.
 
@Tinkeringbell oh. But didn't you move to a different team without that coworker?
 
8:32 AM
I walked into another S1 incident at work
 
Yeah losing the card isn't fun
 
on the bright side, things go by fast
 
@JourneymanGeek S1?
 
@ShadowWizard nearly apocalyptic
 
oh
Details?
 
8:32 AM
actually apparently there were two
classified :D
 
@ShadowWizard Yes and no.
I thought I'd be rid of it entirely, but apparently we're still required to work together to an extent.
 
basically <redacted> happened at <redacted> and all the <redacted> <redacted> made worse by <redacted> <redacted> and <redacted>
 
@andmyself perfect example for "Unclear what you're asking" close reason.
@Tinkeringbell ouch. How often? For how long?
 
@ShadowWizard At least one day a week. Having other co-workers around helps though.
 
@JourneymanGeek that's <redacted> helpful. <redacted> a lot! :<redacted>
@Tinkeringbell well... good luck with that... and hope for the best. :)
 
8:36 AM
I'll survivie. I've survived worse.
 
Looks like you're handling an SCP...
 
@andmyself Super Cool Person?
@Tinkeringbell survivie is great skill. Almost, but not entirely, like covfefe. ;-)
 
I'm documenting a lot, and manager and me have weekly calls to make sure there won't be any lies spread.
So far, so good.
 
8:39 AM
@ɪBᴜɢ umm... what? What about this and to what is it related?
 
@ShadowWizard all your <redacted> above :)
 
You tried to reply to someone and forgot to click the reply icon? @ɪBᴜɢ
 
@ShadowWizard not someone
 
@ɪBᴜɢ oh. lol. Very hard to guess.
 
I tried to reply to a reply arrow
 
8:41 AM
Anyway, no, the <redacted> is @Journeyman's censorship. Just some well hidden secrets. :D
@andmyself did it reply back?
At least you didn't try to lick it!
 
It replied replied replied replied replied ....
 
@ShadowWizard no denying that Jeff is a humorous person :)
 
@ɪBᴜɢ yeah too bad he was shoved out
 
never seen a second person as humorous as Jeff :(
 
(^ above you)
 
8:46 AM
@andmyself no, you!
:D
 
@ShadowWizard I am <redacted> to be of <redacted>
also, not kidding about my job being classified ;p
 
status-redacted
@JourneymanGeek nah, sure it's related to the invisible tank you're developing.
:P
 
I didn't see that coming.
 
tank...top
 
I saw what you did there! ^^
 
8:48 AM
but not the tank!
 
Too.... heavy...
 
(more seriously - I do believe that aside from my NDA, my current workplace is covered under the OSA en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Official_Secrets_Act#Singapore )
 
SOA is better
 
so personally I just tend to share stuff that's in the news
 
Looks like the news is currently biased to Singapore-Malaysia border
 
8:52 AM
You can create JourneyLeaks website. :D
 
@ShadowWizard quite honestly, most of my work is boring lol
 
I can't believe the US gov shutdown is still going on
24th day now
 

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